2 years on, Limmy talks about the whole Lloyd Cole "Thing"

[@edgarallennope]

Limmy explaining away the lunge as a flinch like he's under oath at the witness stand is underappreciated

[@jackbennett2269]

“I’m not here to give him a hard time” at the start of a 30 minute video brings a smile

[@user-eq5ub5rs3g]

Hes got a reaction out ye, youve got to give him that

[@SGC90-t5y]

Classism is what it is.

[@JurgenKranz]

100%

[@ivanconnolly7332]

Cole can't empathise with those beneath him ,as he sees it.

[@forestsunset9617]

Intelligence of a certain kind means to me, that he acknowledges Limmy isn't thick but he doesn't respect his intelligence for the reason of class.

[@DavosJamos]

I interpret it as "based on the self destructive behaviour in this book, which is all I know about him, you might think he's missing something upstairs, but he does have an intelligence of a certain kind that comes through in the writing."

[@sonice9020]

@@DavosJamos yeah you could interpret it however tbh

[@mr.a8315]

He has an 80's chart entry capability. Of a certain kind.

[@Ciara-ASMR]

80s chart entry capability is such a scathing insult! Nicely worded!

[@smackheadsgyro]

Rich people in academia often conflate 'intelligence' with 'knowledge', thinking that how smart you are is defined by how much you know and have read. They do this because it's a way for them to feel better than the rest of the world. Historically, knowledge has been gated by money. Reading used to be an activity for the rich. It separated them from the poors. Having a large vocabulary, speaking perfectly, is all just a symbol for status. He's not really calling you stupid, he's calling you lower class. You're not 'one of them' and he rejects you for it. I believe this idea is reinforced by your described experiences with other people who made you feel the way Lloyd did. Not that those kids even rejected you at all, but you felt rejected and inferior, probably because of this idea. It's a class thing. I felt it too, I was a council estate kid that did well in school and ended up around all the middle class kids. Probably why this connected with me a lot. It's a weird feeling. Just a constant struggle for acceptance that you dont understand. I think you do possess intelligence 'of a certain kind.' A kind that is not akin to the wanky assholes like Lloyd, and one that to me, is far more valid and preferable.

[@smackheadsgyro]

funny i finished the video and limmy comes to this conclusion himself but worded really confusingly lol

[@liamdevine8063]

If I had grown up in their ivory tower I would have the same misconception. The whit and intelligence, particularly with language, of some who end up in a low level English class is something which I'm sure would dumbfound those who haven't experienced it. The thing with the review, which is revealing, is the man's absolute lack of curiosity. A book reviewer with a lack of curiosity by definition is defined by his arrogance and is proud of it.

[@Sparooga]

Guys, I found the Reddit user.

[@oight]

funny thing is that their disconnect from the real world, of what the average person suffers, help re-affirms their own biases. that it must be that they have *all* this knowledge, (for example, managing to answer the odd university challenge question on mostly just literature, music or history questions), as they're from a more "intelligent" background rather than just a wealthy one. yet their interests and knowledge all seem to share a similar background to those who were privately educated, or went to oxbridge. if they start to ignorant of the world around them so that they don't have to think critically about what's going in, it prevents them from being humble enough to know you're not an expert in anything, except maybe your job or chosen field of study. they'd rather re-affirm their own biases that knowledge/being "cultured" in various arts aren't vastly affected by socioeconomic background, that it actually results in them proclaiming irrational logic and unintellectual arguments. no dialectical materialist discussions on the socioeconomic factors regarding types of knowledge and interests that people are limited to, just classist shite xx I grew up in one of the worst areas in scotland on a council estate until I was about 13, so did my brother. my brother managed to get a bursary on top of saas at edinburgh uni and skip the 1st year cause of getting all As in his advanced higher, despite us being from a background where we got free school meals lol. he said it was mental adjusting to that environment. where you're surrounded by upper middle class people, and you're supposed to just know all these upper middle-class interests. even people who were trying to be nice will accidentally make you feel like you're not from their world at all quite often. although he adjusted in the end, since there's a lot of decent people there still.

[@forestsunset9617]

I think the core issue is he wasn't saying he didn't like a book such as a fiction novel, he said he didn't like the person. it was a very personal attack. and from someone who is hardly great himself, that is what makes it more annoying. who is this 2nd rate musician to stand in such judgement?

[@davidoreilly3213]

In terms of intelligence, I don't think you could get more analytically clever and observant and expressively articulate and honest and funny as Limmy. Lloyd hit the nail on the head. It is intelligence of a certain kind.

[@Parallelwurlds]

I think Limmy has highlighted perfectly that there is a phenomenon of people that are so deluded and pretentious that they genuinely think they are better than a saliently gifted, authentic, working class fella from Glasgow. I know who id pick any day of the week. Limmy has demonstrated he is extremely intelligent (perhaps not in some video games where he makes me want to rip my eyes out) in how insightful he is about humanity

[@jjtotheb]

This is like a counciling session

[@mr.a8315]

Just because your agent asked you to put out a new single, doesn't mean you should. *Ha-heh-heh*

[@watsonakanowt]

rocked to the core

[@Parallelwurlds]

😂😂😂

[@suilvengreen]

I rant like this to no one while I’m cleaning the kitchen, feels intrusive watching this 😌

[@PaperbackJourneys]

Limmy (casually): “I’m not like Pol Pot or anything.”

[@verraguid]

aye he is

[@ryandudley3616]

Limmy: I’m not here to give Lloyd Cole a hard time Also Limmy: get comfy, while I proceed to give Lloyd Cole a hard time for 10 minutes straight

[@Lewis.g23]

He's not giving him a hard time he's just explaining why it pissed him off

[@ryandudley3616]

@@Lewis.g23 apologies, you’re right! Not funny.

[@IRVDawg]

🤣🤣

[@thew33pingsong]

I was so glad when I realised he wasn't over it 🤣

[@retnuHDJ]

Lloyd was arrogant and condescending. I can't stand people being like that either, seen it plenty. Pisses me right off. Some people genuinely do think they are better than others and look down on them

[@dontaskme7004]

"You can write a couple of decent songs, 30, 40 years ago, with the help of some others... You've got that kind of intelligence"

[@leecheneler6202]

"Lloyd Cole's brain and face is made out of cow pat, we all know that" - Mark E. Smith (The Fall - LA - Peel Session)

[@manephewlenny6401]

Lloyd Cole was always a League Two Morrissey.

[@psychic_cat_studio]

No one does a feud like Limmy ❤

[@drumgold23]

Old Lloyd Cole put some French scribbler's name in one of his songs to impress a girl and some NME writers who are now right wing scumbag pundits absolutely PISSED themselves over it, to show that they were as smart as they perceived the singer to be. This got him labelled with the *cleverness" tag, a flattery that seems to have become frozen into him upon the moment of his achieving some ephemeral level fame.

[@JurgenKranz]

In my experience ive learned most people who come across as intelligent are just more confident and were often taught to be confident, whereas we were taught to deal with failure.

[@fickle49]

Lloyd Cole was relevant to me for about 5 minutes in 1992. Limmy has brought me way more joy and meaning. Lloyd's opinion means shix-all!! Nada!! Let it go Limmy. His opinion isn't relevant, just like him!!! You're flippin brilliant! End of.

[@mucklemoo9496]

The way chat completely derails his monologue near the end😆

[@walonsubi]

Get Lloyd on stream with him one day. See how long it takes one of them to snap and kill the other.

[@pixelfingers]

I didn’t even know who Lewis Cole was

[@alanweir1103]

A wee anecdote, Limmy, regarding Lloyd being well read: In his pomp, Lloyd was once asked by the NME about his favourite literature and the three novels he picked out were from the Literature course he did at Glasgow Uni😊. I should know because he sat behind me in lectures (probably stealing my song ideas over my shoulder.) He’s a phoney who’s written some good pop songs - of a certain kind - but he’s not quite as highbrow as he would love to appear. And that voice!

[@dafuzzymonster]

id never heard of the kunt until he reviewed limmys book

[@fromgreetings]

Loyd coles new single is out now at Our Price records for 20p.

[@mr.a8315]

Over-priced. 😐👎

[@lesblack8996]

Virgin Megastore has it for 10p 😆

[@Blubberbooi]

I could listen to this guy yap about stuff for ages

[@Sam-tx1tn]

Nice to see he’s moved on. To be fair I’d probably feel exactly the same.

[@Taporeee]

Limmy should review Lloyd Cole's work on streams

[@pudmuddle]

Limmy is describing narcissists

[@jackbennett2269]

YEESh getting second hand pain from limmy’s stories

[@sir-twix-a-lot9461]

Limmy shuns alleged racist Lloyd Cole in nightclub while eccied!!! The saga continues.

[@Superfantastictop10]

I met Limmy at a charity do once. He was entirely WITH charm and had many intelligences of DIFFERENT kinds. His spiteful arrogance was NOT astounding.

[@markdevenport384]

Limmy never forget you have intelligence - of a certain kind

[@RETR0JOE]

[Lloyd Cole disliked that]

[@garyrigby21]

Cole totally didn't get that he was being trolled and they wanted a reaction i bet he searches the internet for hours looking for comments about himself. a certain intelligence?

[@willgoodall1529]

I'd be more likely to buy/not buy something based on Limmy's recommendation than Lloyd Cole's

[@valenciobaudelaire7670]

There's a wee mini Lloyd Cole, dancing away in a living room in big man's heid, all glued on beard and horns, jabbing at the walls with his wee pitchfork

[@ots1634]

Lol imagine if he WAS talking about Lloyd Cole in the caravan/club DJ story 😂 the history they have, and trying to get one up, would be like Greg and Andy millman in extras

[@Wankle.]

I could of listen to this for 2 hours

[@DamaNovus]

watching this made me realise Limmy has intelligence of a certain kind

[@branchsnapper2228]

Intelligence is not regurgitation of others thoughts, which is what most critics do

[@mistersharpus6085]

Thought Limmy’s book was brilliant.

[@mr.a8315]

That Lloyd, he's always causing a commotion. Ffs, that's hitting patter bottom right there. 😑

[@darkchaser25]

Improv idea: Craig meets Lloyd Cole

[@Cultmetfan71]

Things that didnt happen for 10 (the club bit)

[@iwanttocomplain]

Listen to this, Limmy. I used to think Noam Chomsky was clever. But I don’t think that now. I think he’s a charlaton. “Different kinds of intelligence” as a concept is interesting and kind of a brilliant quote. He’s saying your ‘of the earth’, common folk. Which is an intelligence of wits as opposed to lofty academic pursuits. They didn’t actually comment on the prose itself, only that it was too violent for them. But this is a fancy fiercely intellectual program. If you get your book reviewed on the Joe Rogan show you probably would get more praise. It depends on the content of the book and to whom it would appeal. Chris Moyles released his autobiography he obviously didn’t write and according to Stuart Lee, Moyles himself furnished the back cover with his own quote “A good toilet book”. I guess he means for reading in, when on the toilet. Which I assume some people do. So he’s thinking about his target market. It doesn’t really matter how well written your book is. The content is what is important to most people and the kind of thing it offers. So the reviewers are acting from the perspective of the program producers more than from their personal perspective. Because that is how you make an effect piece of TV. By focusing and amplifying simple things so that the program is easy to identify with for the targeted viewership of middle class people. So they are in a way, acting. I actually found it difficult to figure out what they actually do think, it was all pretty vague. Whether r not he lies the main character doesn\t’ speak to whether or not he found reading the book enjoyable or at least interesting. That is left to the viewer’s imagination.

[@ThatGuyThanus]

Let it go..😂

[@IIDynamoDuckII]

"Intelligence of a certain kind" is something you would say to describe an animal, like a crow or something 😅 Crows have a certain kind of intelligence. It was a snid condescending remark, it was uncalled for and only made to make himself feel/look better.

[@TheTyke]

Not true for Animals either, though. It's just a lack of Human understanding and perspective on other species' intelligence. What we keep seeing and learning with more and more research and study is all living beings are conscious and intelligent. Not just of a certain kind, either. Even though all individuals do express intelligence in their own way, it is equally intellectual.

[@gregsmith1641]

​@@TheTykeyou're Lloyd Cole

[@tobytyke308]

They discussed the main protagonist in the book negatively - which is clearly not ok when it's an autobiography. At best it would seem to suggest a lack of empathy.

[@johnm725]

Someone has been going to lots of therapy

[@acehand5890]

Lloyd Cole's Racist Caravan.

[@psychic_cat_studio]

Full bodied intelligence 😂

[@coronalights9693]

I know what youre thinking about Lloyd Cole and heres your answer: 23:43

[@annoyingbstard9407]

It’s no different to getting a British Academy award (Scottish division.) 😂

[@Wunderday]

Not funny.

[@eblackbrook]

I think what it was is "condescending." And the serious face suggests someone who takes themselves too seriously. "Not funny."

[@Jon-k8v]

Thar wiz a beltaaar! That is the level of irritating I aspire to! BayBay! Angering someone oot Thur t!ts on eccies! I never thought that wiz possible. Millport guy is a Legend. 🤣

[@mercster]

I actually never heard about this dust-up... I watch you casually on KZbin when you're in my suggestions (I am subscribed.) Sounds like we might have some things in common... drug abuse, alcoholism, personal relationship loser, inept father... but also computer professional (I taught myself Linux as a teenager and went on to weasel my way into a successful career as a UNIX admin. If you know you know.) Whip smart, though you'd have to ask my few friends about my sense of humor. I'll buy your autobiography next month when I can afford it... not the audiobook, who knows what the fuck you're saying half the time. ;-) Cheers.

[@mercster]

I dunno what you expect outta this Lloyd character, I don't think he MEANT to be hurtful... he's a old-school media goober who thinks he's part of the "upper echelon" and he thinks its his job to be "critical" and "discerning"... you come from different worlds. But I understand your reaction, I'd probably feel the same way. I haven't read the book of course, but I can imagine the kinds of things he'd take offense at. Like, real life.

[@mercster]

You make people laugh, he makes music and also seems to be famous enough to be on chat shows talking shite he doesn't know about. It takes quite some intelligence to make people laugh. Now making music and being "famous" for a living, that takes intelligence of a certain kind.

[@LimmyTwitchClipsPlus]

This isn't Limmy mate. I make it clear in all my bios across all my channels

[@mercster]

@@LimmyTwitchClipsPlus Yea, that's fine. Even if it was, he wouldn't have seen this comment. :-) Just shouting into the void. Thanks for the clip anyway.

[@matthewfearon]

@@LimmyTwitchClipsPlusthat’s probably what Limmy would say, but still I believe you

[@willsuttie3683]

I can't believe Limmy called Lloyd Cole racist.

[@brianbreathnach8516]

Stephen Fry Syndrome

[@illgottengains1314]

Is Lloyd Cole Jimmy Carr?

[@callumclay]

There’s a funny story about mark e smith pure despising lloyd cole lol

[@Jon-k8v]

My maw always taught me to never let people think they are better than you... your just different... no one is better than me... coz ma mother said so. Her opinion out ranks you all I'm afraid. It's not that simple obviously but always gives me a wee Ego boost when I think about her and everything she does for me. Even today. I was raised weak but became strong on my own. Over protective mothers are the best and to be feared. Let people think they are better than you if you wish to manipulate them. Females are the best at it. I think. Men aren't as equipped mentally for it. We take longer to grow up. I know I did. I am still trying.

[@francisrooney109]

17.49 Who the f*ck is Stephen?

[@chequeplease]

Who tf is Lloyd Cole

[@MrTerrierLove]

Video title should be '2 years on, Limmy still raging coz a sad-sack-has-been singer didn't like his book'

[@BigChillRaver]

this monologue alone blows that fooker Cole up his own hole precisely because it hangs Cole on his own petard....

[@AlanSindastreem]

Lloyd is trolling him. Big fucking wind up.

[@chuckcarter5741]

Bitter old man

[@lloydwaycott8178]

Just because you're asked to review a book doesn't mean you should. I'm an Englishman so obviously better educated than either of these two Scottish gentlemen, and therefore better placed to judge these two coofs. Limmy is far, faaaaarrrr more intelligent and talented than Cole. It's clear that Limmy could compete with Cole regarding making a marketable record, but Cole couldn't begin to do what Limmy does and has done. Limmy should know that and f*cking relax. In other words, what's the ploblem?

[@nicneam]

It must be a lloyd thing

[@lloydwaycott8178]

@@nicneam Maybe, maybe. Or maybe it's a Scottish thing.

[@ruhaidai]

still goin on about this...for fuck sake

[@AdrianMendoza23]

😆. That review really hurt Limmy.

[@Jwlar]

It’s harder to let go when you see people in chat bring it up every day. We’re fortunate that we don’t have people constantly reminding us of things that annoyed us once.

[@teejteabag]

I’ve just edited Lloyd Cole’s personal life section on Wikipedia highlighting the fact that he slated Limmy’s book but came off really badly. I got through to the ‘publish’ button after reviewing the section, making myself chuckle in the process, and then just thought nah I can’t be bothered with giving Cole the time (although I’d gone that far).

[@Larinx-11463]

book guy seems like a top bloke, limmy just seems very sensitive. this whole saga has made me realize I need to be really careful about what I say because the person im talking to may be a grudge holding schizophrenic who has ruined his brain with drugs who will be upset about small off handed comments years later. love the feathers sketch tho

[@Jimbobiscuit]

Yeah probably dont call people unintelligent for no reason whatsoever

[@DCI-Frank-Burnside]

I remember Sharleen Spiteri rocked up on A Good Read and just threw down some shite she picked up at the airport, and the other guest was like "fuck is this?". Disrespectful to the show, but Renee Knight didn't winge. She was just happy that someone mentioned her book on the radio. Why can't Limmy see it that way. Cole aside the other guest (Francis MacDonald I believe) chose the book because he really liked it...or happened to have it to hand, at least.

[@timcoleman3784]

first minute forgetting the word “assigned”. way to prove Lloyd’s point

[@benjaminthomasholton963]

Not funny

[@timcoleman3784]

@@benjaminthomasholton963 not a joke Ben 👍

[@timcoleman3784]

@@liamjones9115 it does

[@timcoleman3784]

@@liamjones9115 it does

[@annoyingbstard9407]

😂

[@fcawley2042]

He needs to let it go

[@smackheadsgyro]

'theres something up with me that makes me in some way clever and in others ways very stupid and its a bit of a battle' limmy discovers he has aspergers

[@jaimemurphy2208]

Or just a person

[@smackheadsgyro]

@@jaimemurphy2208 im no professional but im very confident that limmy would be diagnosed with a developmental disorder should he seek one. i am not saying he has autism but he reminds me so much of people that i know officially are autistic. all these childhood stories sound like textbook examples of an autistic kid trying to navigate the world. its uncanny

[@jaimemurphy2208]

@@smackheadsgyro "im no professional" I think that's the main bit, how can you diagnose a 'developmental disorder' from a few anecdotes? Limmy is obviously a fully functioning person who also uses extremes of his personality in a comedic way. I'm not saying you are definitely wrong, but it's a jump to diagnose someone from their online shite.

[@smackheadsgyro]

@jaimemurphy2208 this is true. However, if you seek a professional diagnosis, they will always ask if you feel the problems you describe give you difficulty functioning in your personal or professional life. Limmy's stories are just him giving endless detail about how his own brain causes him stress and trauma throughout his life. I cannot say what category he falls under for sure as I am not qualified, but it is plainly obvious that he suffers greatly because of how abnormal he is.

[@smackheadsgyro]

@jaimemurphy2208 saying he has autism is a confident but agregious guess I admit. But I think its fair to say his mind would definitely be categorised as neurodivergent in one way or another.

[@tangfastic7075]

To be fair.... Lloyd Cole has always been seen as genuinely intelligent. Female students loved him in the day. He name-checks lofty novelists in his songs, whilst Limmy is obsessed with James Corden. That's what he means about intelligence of a certain kind.... Lloyd would feel Corden is not worthy of his attention. Just saying. And Lloyd Cole is both famous in England and Scotland.