Liver cirrhosis I cured it with Milk Thistle?

[@vancevance6657]

I have cirrhosis too. I have been taking Milk Thistle regularly everyday for 3 yrs in fairly high amounts. Along with other supplements and I am doing well. The very fact that our livers are operating under duress; is a prime reason for giving the liver extra nutrients that it may not be harvesting everything possible from food. A surpreme clean, non-processed food diet I believe is essential. Your counter-opinioned friend.

[@Redneckkenobi]

Hey I think discussion is good. I’m not saying don’t take it. Just what I have found. Where you use it and have a good result I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that. I just believe research is important. And everyone’s situation is different. And body’s. 2 years ago I had a 28 meld score. Now I’m between 14 and 16. I did it by a good diet and stayed active and positive. Thank you for your insight on the discussion 😊

[@chiefhiggins6471]

I don't have cirrhosis, but I wanted to ask you. Do you take NAC? I read that's good for liver health. I take it for that and as an anti depressant.

[@HAL-ol1lh]

@@chiefhiggins6471 all these supplements are they really needed or is it corporate bs ? Just eat healthy , and avoid poisons / toxins ( intoxication)

[@vancevance6657]

Yes, i do take NAC, as well as many other things. Som people think vitamins and supplements don't help. My stance is that my liver is damaged , and doesn't process/absorb nutrients well anymore, then all-the-more it needs way more then before, so give it all assistance as possible. Thanx 4 the ? & comments. Best of to you all all.😂😊

[@odettehokemeir4425]

Good to see you are doing well!

[@Eros13adios]

TUDCA is one of those power houses that go with Milk Thistle to support a healthy Liver.

[@managerof3monsters]

Agree

[@starbright1256]

I use tudca have fir 2 years

[@chris-in-oceania]

Thank you Neil, for your thoughtful information. You are doing very well making it this far. I hope you get the neurological help soon. Neurological issues are frightening - for example having intense pain with no physical damage related. We are so used to pain being a response to injury, when it can just be a "wiring" issue in the brain! Where I live I am also very alone, all the friends I made here left or died, my closer friends are people who are far away. Contacts often struggle to relate to that level of alone... I also have my sweet pets. ♥ Best wishes from me here in NZ.

[@Redneckkenobi]

Yes very true! And great comment, thank you!

[@susanmargaretwills6432]

HEeelo Neil from 🇮🇹 Italy ... just to say that u appear to be such a gentle person - nice 2 meet u

[@Redneckkenobi]

Hello 👋🏻 so neat to talk to someone from Italy! It’s nice to meet you also 😊

[@chip9832]

Your looking good sir,i hope things turn around for you.

[@Redneckkenobi]

Thank you. I wish I felt better. I actually lost 20lb when I was in the hospital two months ago. I haven’t been able to gain it back. I’m at 185lb. I haven’t weighed that since I was 16 lol. I just checked the link and the page is working. Probably an update.

[@debjurgens6447]

Dr Ken Berry , in one of his videos, linked 4 studies stating that L Carnitine supplementation actually reversed some of the fibrotic tissue....look it up! Beef also contains L Carnitine, although I believe the body can assimilate the supplement better.

[@SamPonder-pr5js]

I drink atleast 3 glasses of unpasteurized whole cows milk. It loaded with fat protein and prebiotic. I find that my body and liver absorbs the vitamins and minerals better. I am not a doctor but I found out for myself through it's consumption.

[@SamPonder-pr5js]

Probiotics

[@pippilongstocking-qs7fm]

​@@SamPonder-pr5jsdo you drink 3 glasses of whole unpasteurized milk per day, week or month, please?

[@leew159]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doctors DO RECOMMEND milk thistle in Europe.

[@Team_Fury]

No they don’t not at all and especially not in the Uk. 🇬🇧 It’s never been properly clinically tested anywhere in Europe. All the best. Jamie 😀👍🏻

[@derickmartis220]

Even in India in a form of tablets, named "sylibon 70/140)" has sylimarine same compund find in milk thistle

[@marko-1987]

All amazing things out there. Stuff like Ginger and Tuneric are becoming more popular for issues.

[@Cosmo-Kramer]

Hope you get better.

[@meahanley1112]

I love your research! I have also looked at the pros and cons of doing natural things. I just had a doctors appointment and I am already at high risk due to varisces and psychiatric medication. Because I have to take medication, I don't need to disregard other medical care. I was just told that I need to lower my dairy intake and to start doing higher protein. I am having difficulty with trying to do the protein. If you have any tips, let me know!!! Again, I love how you stay on top of this and stay educated, disciplined, and positive. Please continue to keep updating us on your medical journey. Your community on KZbin ❤ you!🦎🦎💚🦎🦎

[@stevenralston1183]

I get 100gms. Of protein a day. Pure protein cereal x2 a day . Each serving is 20 plus 4 for half cup of milk. Supper is 1 cup skinless shredded chicken plus vegetable. Also unsalted pb and nuts for snacks.

[@Redneckkenobi]

I love that you put lizard emojis there 😂. I do believe in doing research. And I found pork and chicken are good sources. Also Walmart now has a complete diet shake that’s like 30 grams of protein and it’s $8 a pack of 6. And that’s not bad seeing how much protein shakes are. I look at the back of packages to see what’s got the best protein and compare that to price. Greek yogurt is a good source. Don’t know if you can have that. Rice pudding. Some cheeses.

[@meahanley1112]

​@stevenralston1183 wow. Thanks so much for the info. Very informative. I am definitely going to write this down and look this weekend. I spoke to my doctor to get an amount and she said 85 g. I am so grateful 🙏 thanks agsin!

[@meahanley1112]

​@@RedneckkenobiLove, Love, Love these ideas. Thanks so much. I am glad that I have run into you! Everyone on here is so knowledgeable! Thanks! I love the emojis too!

[@kaylawild4019]

Doctors will never tell you all the benefits of natural therapies because it affects the profits the pharmaceutical companies

[@visam28]

💯. Also they aren't taught anything about them other than that they "don't work".

[@basiltiffani8850]

I don't know why people believe nonsense like this.

[@Hope...M]

@@kaylawild4019 I had cholesterol levels a little high. My doctor told me to take flush-free niacin. He didn't want to put me on a prescription and he told me he takes flush-free niacin. It is rare that doctors do these things.

[@kaylawild4019]

@@basiltiffani8850 cos it works

[@firstnamelastname492]

You need to get off the internet. You will believe literally anything and that’s dangerous.

[@marjilaplante9579]

Herbal remedies can be very helpful!

[@Bipolar_Spike]

I love medical research so much as I want to obtain a PhD in Immunology, Microbiology, and Virology. Certain people can be resistant or immune to viruses. One would think otherwise yet there is strong evidence to the contrary.

[@Redneckkenobi]

That’s really neat!

[@kimgee9]

You're absolutely right about not willing to take the chance with all of these things that they said try this try that Just because someone says it's natural means nothing so is dirt My liver doctor says the least amount of things that you put into your system the better for your liver...

[@XOXYESOXO]

What about a EDG TEST with a Gastro Doctor? Protein shakes seems like an option to help easiness to swallow. Sure, everybody has their unprofessional opinion. You are generous sharing your struggle; it's simply heartbreaking living in the very selfish society of the times.

[@Redneckkenobi]

They get stuck really bad. It’s not the consistency necessary. It’s a neurological malfunction. I have my wires crossed lol

[@HAL-ol1lh]

10:00 Just to add - i feel stress ( in my case, it was from work) can make liver problems so much worse ... But stress is part of life, so its just a case of avoiding certain life conditions like a crap job!

[@Redneckkenobi]

I do agree

[@mattymatt022000]

I'm married with a woman so no... can't say it nowadays. Luv u tho. I'm in the same situation as u but 39. Glad you're alive. U got tipps surgery? and the obliteration on kidney surgery, I obviously I've got like 8 or so vericose veins tied in esophagus also. The whole thing sucks. I'm in constant pain. Hope all of you younger ppl see this. I need a new liver. I feal like any day could be my last.

[@Redneckkenobi]

I understand the feeling. It’s a scary disease and so misunderstood. I don’t know what you were talking about in the beginning, hope I didn’t say something offensive. Sorry if I did. But I wish you the best. And I hope you can find some way to stay positive.

[@mattymatt022000]

@Redneckkenobi no nothing offensive from u at all. I notice when I get moving I feel better for sure. Got a big above ground pool this year. Takes alot of energy to get in but it's great playing with my 8 yo son once I'm finally in.

[@markczarny7088]

No salt mon itor blood pressure diuretics exercise i only have drainswgen it affects me lying downif i Ose my appetite i roll with it i i can get to an ideal weight ill take it.Sugary foods make me itch so i stay away .i try fora meal of raw veg cauli broc

[@RobHughes-oh3yg]

Thank you for the videos😊

[@robertwilliam9558]

Have you used the NAC supplement for the liver?

[@woohoo273]

I had an allergic reaction to milk thistle. Also I think the placebo effect is real with vitamins and herbs. If you think it’s going to help it probably will.

[@DingoLingo2]

They don't suggest it because it's not "standard of care" translated, "we don't suggested because it's not on the list of things we are supposed to suggest."

[@NicksHEAT1995]

I take milk thistle every day. I don't have cirrhosis but I'm an alcoholic dry 8 years now. I found it keeps the enzymes (ALT/AST) in a healthy range. But, if you're too far gone it probably won't do much. I'm not sure but I watch a channel called Liver Disease and he has cirrhosis and his doctor told him not to take it.

[@toriwolf5978]

Never listen to a Dr they don’t care ❤when a Dr tells me to do something I do the exact opppsite lol

[@NicksHEAT1995]

@toriwolf5978 lol. Yah but if you have cirrhosis it is irreversible and milk thistle probably won't do anything.

[@DanielEarth1]

Milk thistle is in the aster or sunflower family. This is a huge family of plants, with over 1,600 genera and 23,000 species. Ragweed is a very distant relative. Milk thistle is more closely related to artichoke. This is like saying don’t eat tomatoes, because tomatoes are related to nightshade plants, which are poisonous. This is irrational reasoning and should be discounted.

[@latashabreal9077]

Which brand did you use?

[@eileeneamon9070]

Have you moved closer to your friends that can help as a support group and closer to your medical help? Your Go Fund Me is close to it's goal. Still praying for you, Neil. Stay strong!

[@SamPonder-pr5js]

I took milk thistle for about 2 weeks and I had an adverse reaction. It's not good for those with chronic liver damage. (Cirrhosis) at least it was for me. I can't speak for anyone else.

[@Redneckkenobi]

That’s what I keep finding, is stories like yours. That’s why I wanted to make this video. Thanks for your comment

[@kimgee9]

I won't touch it! I'm really funny about trying anything that seems like a miracle I run everything by my doctor And so far for someone who has Cirrhosis like me My numbers are very good Because my diet is very good Very little salt no red meat no breakfast meats no deli meats no pickles no undercooked eggs or anything that is known to have high cases of salmonella No raw oysters I really get hesitant and if somebody hands me a home canned product I don't know how they canned it I eat fish chicken some tofu tons of vegetables including cruciferous , beans Barley. No processed canned or frozen products dinners soups etc. I eat fresh fruits and frozen berries I do drink milk simply because it's a great replacement for electrolytes and for some reason I crave it and I never used to I drink zero alcohol because that's how I got this way I do not drink any juices I do drink some homemade coffee and I drink green tea And other teas I do use honey It may seem like a really restricted diet but I don't feel that way I also make my own popcorn for fiber and I use no seed oils Only olive oil and avocado oil My doctor is just blown away about how good all of my numbers look even though I still have cirrhosis the only thing that is off in my panel is I do have thrombocytopenia low red blood cell count which is common in cirrhosis so I have to be careful about getting cut or taking herbs that can thin my blood even further I am also having glucose problems so I am pre-diabetic for some reason I stay away from ibuprofen I limit any Tylenol intake I do take thiamine which is recommended by my doctor vitamin d and k And a multivitamin I am required to take lactulose every single day to keep my ammonia at a normal level I was diagnosed almost 2 years ago and have not had one sip of alcohol sense but I was in the hospital for 2 weeks and they thought I was going to die It took me approximately 6 months to even be able to drive a car or walk properly that's how sick I was I had been a drinker since 12 years old and so it's 62 is when I completely stopped I will be 64 the end of this month and it's the best time I've ever had in my life I do have itching problems but it's nothing like it used to be every so often they will put me on cholestyramine for a few months and then the itching goes away and I stop taking it again Thank you for your video I really appreciate it!!

[@Redneckkenobi]

@@kimgee9 same thing just about for me. And I do pretty well. Beans are good. I like chic peas lol. I can’t eat the way I used to because the swallowing issues. People like to comment it’s normal with liver. Mines not. I keep telling people you can have more than 1 conditions 🤣. I do find it interesting you do ok with green tea. I read that the liver has a hard time processing it in cirrhosis. But our diets are close. I do eat a lot of pork. It has to be shredded now but still. And thanks for the comment.

[@kimgee9]

@@Redneckkenobi Yes, I thought that about the green tea for me too. But then every time I have all of my panels done my numbers have been coming up really good including my liver enzymes My meld score is a 9 now I watched it slowly drop over the past two years and I was super ecstatic the last time he told me that I'm at a 9. I have been to University of Washington with the transplant team and my numbers are so good right now that I would not even qualify nor need a transplant Although just like they tell you things can change rapidly and that's why they want people to have that initial visit. I know that you have to be super careful about not getting salmonella Because a liver with cirrhosis could not fight it I'm also very leery about any cut up fruit from the produce section cantaloupe spinach anything bagged like the bagged salads if you look at the list of the items that have recalls because of salmonella in the produce sections those are all the things I avoid. I know it probably seems a little obsessive but I'd rather be on the safe side of the street, and after all of the recalls I decided to take that path And yes when you talk about there could be other conditions I totally understand that because I also have a heart condition called HFpef Which I don't think had anything to do with the cirrhosis so I understand that co occurring condition issue. I think it's really awesome that you created this channel because when I first was diagnosed I had so little information that I had no idea what I was doing I think you're very level-headed in the way that you discuss cirrhosis. There are just some standards that anyone who's had it for any period of time just know. And then there are those things that you learn along the way They did finally inform me that because of cirrhosis there is a higher chance of getting liver cancer and so I am screened every 6 months for that and have an ultrasound. I always tell people there may be things that help someone that has fatty liver disease which is what most people have before they get cirrhosis And possibly a cleansing diet would work for that but once you get cirrhosis it's a whole different ball of Wax. I know people want to help but sometimes I just have to tell them that I'm working with my doctor and things are going good 😆

[@chip9832]

Yhe go fund me isn't accepting,says closed

[@Redneckkenobi]

That’s odd. It shows me it is. Maybe they were updating 🤷🏻

[@Hope...M]

Can you take protein shakes? You may have to put more protein that's easily absorbed. I'm just guessing.Thanks. 💯✅♥️

[@Redneckkenobi]

Protein shakes get stuck. Scrambled eggs aren’t bad, plain pulled pork or shredded chicken. It’s hit and miss on most things. I’m waiting to get into a specialist

[@Hope...M]

@@Redneckkenobi I know this sounds disgusting but could you just drink a raw egg or two without it irritating or trying to come back up? That probably would want to come back up because it does sound raw and nasty. I've never tried it but idk if you've ever tried it in your life. I'm just tossing ideas out there. IDK is is something you can or can't keep them or if it's like you said hit or miss. I really really hope they figure out this so you can get protein. I mean you know at a high level. I'm sorry this is long but I feel for you. Keep us up to date if you will please. Thanks again man

[@Redneckkenobi]

@@Hope...M no lol. I can eat scrambled eggs. Things are hit and miss. Part of the problem is with the esophagus issues also I don’t get hungry and I get full real easy. We think it’s what’s called hyper mobile EDS it affects the connective tissue. And does all this to the stomach. Most people go on a feeding tube. But most people with this don’t have liver cirrhosis 🤷🏻 so I do what I can till I can get into the specialist

[@SamPonder-pr5js]

Unpasteurized whole cows milk does the trick for me and the fat and protein from the milk is easily absorbed. I don't do the protein shakes other than 2 bottles of ensure. One in the morning with my meds and one in the evening before going to bed. I do hope that I have helped you.

[@jasminebambury5841]

Do you have dandelions in US?

[@Coffeechat1979]

You can also have stomach varices unfortunately. I didn't know this until after I read Tyler's notes from his doctor after his stomach contrast. I hope your well, we're still here thank goodness. We've had a few scares and close calls but he was able to get it under control. I wanted to ask you I hope I'm not being intrusive. His hands shake on a constant basis but he has some really bad days where his hands are shaky so bad it's scary. I wish I could explain better, have you ever had this? The last time it happened he said he felt like his sugar was way to low so I found some candy and it seemed to do the trick. This wouldn't mean diabetes would it, I know your not a doctor it's just nice to pick someone else's brain on the subject.

[@vancevance6657]

Sounds like Parkinson's, though it may not be. But shaky hands is hallmark with Parkinson's My dad it for years before his demise.

[@Coffeechat1979]

@vancevance6657 yeah it's not my son is only 27 and this recently started to get worse after we started going in for his paracentesis every two weeks instead of once a week. It wasn't because he didn't need it either once a week the reason we decided every two weeks is because the doctors say hopefully it gives him less of a chance of getting an infection.

[@Redneckkenobi]

So I get this too. And I know that exact feeling. I have been becoming insulin resistant. Like hypoglycemia. But not really bad. Opposite of diabetes. But it hasn’t happened when I have been near a doctor. I find that if I eat protein it stops it. My hands shake to so extent all the time. I can’t hold a camera still to save my life lol. So I believe all that is just associated to the distance. But heavy shaking or hand flapping could be Hepatic encephalopathy. So watch that. And I have vericies in my stomach and a belly button hernia there’s one too

[@DeadBoyG5]

Appreciate your videos helpful a lot

[@eileeneamon9070]

Is the neurological condition Hepatic encephalopathy?

[@JUSLUKING]

What kind of protein power are you taking

[@valerielock2374]

What was your bilirubin?

[@Redneckkenobi]

Last I checked about 4.5 I think

[@valerielock2374]

@@Redneckkenobiwow ! Mine is 1.6 high

[@Redneckkenobi]

@@valerielock2374 hey I was at 18 2 years ago. So I call it a win. Hope you are doing well

[@valerielock2374]

@@Redneckkenobiyou too thank you

[@markczarny7088]

The main thing😊 sno salt

[@gimpygrandpa8281]

Carnivore? Prolonged fasting?

[@toriwolf5978]

Yesss !!! Give your liver a rest ❤

[@aplumley2943]

Best Wishes! Prayers that God sends you a wonderful support system! 🥲🙏🏼

[@iLLmaticTrojan]

Can milk thistle reduce creatinine?

[@SamPonder-pr5js]

Milk thistle made it worse for me. I only took it for a week before I got rid of it.

[@Redneckkenobi]

That’s why I made the video. The title was a bait and switch. lol so many people say the same thing you just said. Yet I get that comment all the time. Take milk thistle. No thanks. I think it’s advertising bots lol

[@vancevance6657]

Just beard that too much Tumeric is hard on people with cirrhosis and 😮

[@Redneckkenobi]

And that’s what I find on a lot of the supplements on a cirrhotic liver. The results are completely different on fatty liver.

[@circuitmonkey6653]

I just stumbled on your channel and based on the little information I have, I think you might benefit from Dr. Ken Berry. There are tens of thousands of people treating autoimmune diseases with a carnivore elimination diet. It's working for me and the people I know that are on it. It's not for everyone, but I would be remiss if I didn't point it out.

[@vancevance6657]

Hat city do you live in or near? And , to which city/area are you intending to move to? If it's not too far from me; i can oack, load, drive a Uhaul, and unload you: fast. A work I did lpng ago, but I am in great shape still 🤞. And I have a friend in the Minneapolis area that excels at finding good cars cheap

[@Redneckkenobi]

Thank you. But my Tavel is 13 hours from me. I have friends in Cleveland area and Cleveland clinic is a great hospital. And I have a neurological disorder that makes swallowing solids and liquids almost impossible. Including and related stomach disorders that don’t process my food properly. And you know how important taking in protein is with cirrhosis, so I’m not getting enough and there’s no specialist in my area and I’m waiting to get one at the same hospital as my liver doctor but apparently he hasn’t come aboard yet 🤷🏻 that hospital found the disorder but no doctors available

[@sherrihinton2885]

You are a good person

[@Bipolar_Spike]

Sorry in advance as I am skeptical about it. Supplements are not regulated. So, you do not know what you are getting. I was warned not to take any and all supplements as I was sternly told that they can and will cause even more liver damage that I already have. Just my 2 cents. Your mileage may vary. Always, always consult your physician before starting anything.

[@Redneckkenobi]

Yes and that’s what I was saying in my video. Milk thistle has a lot of people reporting there numbers getting worse

[@mikehansen2037]

Supplements can be very very dangerous. I just spend 2 weeks in the ICU due to liver failure caused from a "supplement, in this case Ashwagandha" that caused damage to my liver. so much that my biliruben was at 44 and has taken me a long time to recover which my liver enzymes are still up. Take care of your body with a good diet, exorcise when you can and follow advise from your doctor.

[@leew159]

Surprised they didn't tell you that fruits and vegetables do absolutely nothing for your health

[@twinkle533]

I was told low sodium diet but the Dr's didn't mention sugar at all. But I kept talking sugar fruits, cakes but no soda's or alcohol. But once I realized on KZbin that sugar is worser than salt😮

[@toriwolf5978]

lol I take milk thistle 3 times a day with NAC for over a month it helps the liver ! Do your research go watch Dr Ken Berry he is a real Dr on KZbin great information on his channel❤

[@lovingit1538]

Serrapeptase and nattokinaise. Research that..go that way.. clean your diet up drastically

[@kimgee9]

If you have cirrhosis that is definitely a mistake to take those two products because most people have red blood cell problems and clotting problems with cirrhosis and those two things actually thin your blood I was told a big No from from my doctor on those, but to each his own Also if you have varices or don't know that you have it you will bleed more or the chance of bleeding is a higher risk with those products

[@pippilongstocking-qs7fm]

I was diagnosed with NAFLD last year & immediately started my own research. Nattokinase, Berberin, Milk thistle, fish oil, & turmeric are what I've been taking. I lost my insurance so I'm not sure what my numbers are currently but I'm alive & feel much better

[@toriwolf5978]

@@pippilongstocking-qs7fmso proud of you for taking the path drs don’t agree with ❤I to just got diagnosed with Non fat liver disease, I’m doing fasting dry fasting and really cleaned up my diet… look up Dr Jason Fung he is a real Dr in Toronto Canada look him up ! I bought his books but subbed his channel so much great information on it….

[@mynorby206]

[@leew159]

So, this guy was deceiptful with the title of the video, so what else?

[@Redneckkenobi]

That’s why there’s a question mark there. It’s a question not a statement. And I said in the video this is the info I found. And suggested that people do their own research before taking anything that’s not recommended by your doctor. And I stated I am not a doctor or medical professional. There were no lies in what I said. And you are free to take any supplements you choose. And I said in the video the reason I made it is because all the people suggesting it in the comments. But if it works for you. Then take it.

[@Team_Fury]

No he wasn’t as he put a question mark after the title ???? Meaning it’s questionable if this milk works or not! 😀👍🏻

[@Team_Fury]

@@Redneckkenobiyou tell em!! Bosh 🥊🥊👍🏻😀

[@ryanbrande]

You're ridiculous.

[@Redneckkenobi]

@@Team_Fury 🤣🤣🤣🤣