Lloyd Evans on The History of the Jehovah's Witness Movement - Mormon Stories

[@southernbawselady7092]

OMG!!..My two favorite Activists!!..I've been waiting on this interview moment to happen!! I began to wake up from the JW's by reading about Mormons and watching videos of episodes entitled.."I was a Mormon"...Then John Dehlin's excommunication was broadcast on television. I started following him and I noticed a ton of similarities between the JW's and the Mormons. This was an eye-opener for me!! After that I got the courage to go to KZbin and look up.. "Why do people leave the Jehovah's Witnesses faith"...that's when I really started waking up! I became obsessed listening to all ExJW stories on KZbin and the FEAR of the "so called" apostates that we are taught to detest started to become a different reality, they are just people telling their experiences when they were an active JW and why they left..So all the stigma started to dwindle. Then I branched out and started looking into Seventh Day Adventist, Scientology, Christadelphians, The Brethren, Christian Science.. I started noticing the parallels between all the religions, and it runs deep...no questioning, no doubting and everything comes from the top down. The rank-and-file are just the followers with no personal self, no individuality. After you wake up and start seeing these things it can take a toll on you, especially if this is the only thing you have known all your life! It is really tough! The phobias and fears, can mess with a person's mind...Now I see why a lot of people resort to suicide, it is scary but the good thing is there's help!! The internet has played a big part in all of this!!.. Now I look at people as being just human beings trying to do their best, trying to deal with all the stresses and anxieties in this world. I can now honestly say that life is better on the outside! 💯

[@danielkaranja7978]

I couldn't believe what I was seeing when I first saw the episode announcement. I follow both and think they do marvelous work.

[@southernbawselady7092]

daniel karanja - Yes, they do!..They are actually my lifesavers!

[@pianomeister40]

Me too. I'm not a former Mormon or JW, but I love this podcast. I'm a former Pentecostal.

[@janina873]

Southern Bawse Lady Do you have YT recs of this caliber for the other religions you’ve looked into? Like for Seventh Day Adventist, Bretheren etc? Thanks!

[@maryannlockwood7806]

Also it’s great to see Lloyd’s bunker while it was in the process of becoming what it is today! 🧱

[@ekpennock]

Wow! I love the John Cedars channel. I've dreamt of this day, so happy to see this happen!

[@Halomusik9548]

He is so low key, easy to listen to. Just uses history and common sense.

[@maryannlockwood3961]

He’s the best!

[@1chadmon]

I am a huge supporter of Lloyd Evans!!!♥️ Thank you for this interview.

[@aeleceashley8458]

Me too!

[@thinkfirstt]

Hahaha. Lloyd! Coming to us from the Bunker. Awesome. It has always felt like Lloyd is a little bit like John D, so it's fun to see them in an interview together. Very nice.

[@mariakawiti4508]

Born New Zealand Maori into jw 1955...left of my own will with my teenage sons 1990s, New Zealand. Thankyou for sharing

[@RandomPerson-js3rc]

You did well Lloyed. Their are deeper things but your history rundown was well covered.

[@dianalewis3148]

Excellent 👍🏻 Love hearing about other religions. Please do more podcasts like this one!

[@andreadiamond7115]

How awesome! I’m a huge Lloyd Evans (John Cedars channel) fan! Thank you ❤️

[@dominiquelegall6857]

This is a really good idea to have people from others religions

[@gaillarsen7863]

Great interview, I'm an ex jw, didn't know a lot of their early history.

[@Halomusik9548]

Long interview but hearing things I never heard before even after watching many Lloyd Evans programs. Fascinating look into LDS and J W. My late husband used to invite the J W in. He managed to sell the one lady a necklace. 😊 My grandson became a Mormon so I want to learn all I can.

[@jy285]

Wild to see Lloyd Evans on here. I’m ex-mo and I watch Lloyd’s channel all the time too.

[@ancyt6]

This is an amazing explanation of the history. I'm very grateful to you two for gaining this knowledge.

[@LoisZozobrado]

This is amazinnnnnggg

[@oneday2440]

A great interview, really interesting

[@esbizzze]

Cool beans. I love Loyld and have been binge watching your channel. The best collab ever. Chris Shelton is my guy also. Coming from the damn JW cult I wanted to learn about other high control groups. You guys have all upped my understanding. Thanks for sharing your wealth of knowledge.

[@aliciamontero7061]

Yeah Chris Shelton is great too.

[@vincents5187]

Well, done guys. This was a good interview.

[@uglywatchtower3299]

9 mths!!!!! I have heard people who have been shunned up to 5 years who were attending the hall that sit in the back of the dungeon !

[@juancarlosplacencia]

Horrible practice.

[@harlanlang6556]

I greatly appreciate Lloyd's education concerning JW's. My nearest neighbors are JW's who I've known for 30 years. We finally accepted their invitation to attend the annual commemoration at Easter of Christ's death. I'm not sure how they termed it. It's a meeting at which they take a count of attendance and report this number on a world scale to show themselves and the public how they're growing, even though many of those attending are non-member guests. We were not able to sit with our friends, so when the "sacrament" was passed around, I was confused enough to actually take a nibble of the wafer before I realized that I should have only looked at it and passed it on. It was actually pretty stale. Who knows how many years it had been passed around. I don't know (didn't ask) what people thought of me eating what only the elect should eat. This is a small town, so I knew many of the people present. The service consisted of readings from the Bible in a rather rote manner and I was expecting a more educational experience. When the service was finished, there was no social part. I greeted some people I already knew and everybody left. There was no attempt to engage me in a conversation of their beliefs. The history of William Miller and the period which also saw the beginnings of the Mormon Church is fascinating. Americans and Europeans are generally very ethnocentric when it comes to religion and culture. What most people are unaware of is that a similar religious expectation and excitement was experienced in Islam, especially among the Shia branch. They were also expecting a Messianic Figure to arise in the year 1260 A.H. in the Muslim calendar. This just happens to be 1844 in the Christian calendar. There are millions of people today in almost every country who believe that this expectation was actually realized. It happened on the evening of May 23, 1844, in the city of Shiraz, Persian (Iran) when a young man of 24 announced to his first believer that he was the Promised One the Muslims were expecting. Coincidently, half way around the world on May 24, 1844, Samuel Morse sent the first message by telegraph from Baltimore to Washington D.C. signaling the beginning of the age of communication at the speed of light. His message: "What hath God wrought"? This young man in Persia called himself "the Bab", which mean "Gate" and soon there were thousands who accepted Him. This alarmed the religious leaders and the government which began a campaign to eliminate this new movement. The Bab was publicly executed in 1850 at the age of 30 and 20,000 of his followers were killed. The Bab claimed that His mission was to prepare the way for a greater Prophet who later became known as Baha'u'llah. Baha'u'llah was exiled from Persia and eventually ended up as a prisoner in a Crusader's fort in Palestine, and his followers became known as Baha'is. If you travel to Haifa, Israel, you can now visit the beautiful gardens and buildings connected with the Baha'i Faith. Baha'u'llah's teachings were something new and forward thinking. Examples: Equality of women and men; recognition that science and religion are two sides of the same coin and aren't in conflict; the recognition that all the great world religions are inspired by the same God and are like chapters in the book of religion, revealing the teachings which were needed at the time they appeared; that God is beyond our capacity to understand; that the nations of the world should be united much like the 50 states of the U.S. are united; that all children should be educated; that the extremes of poverty and wealth should be eliminated; that there should be no more priesthood or clergy; that we should mention only the good qualities of people; that the human race is one family, leaves of one branch; that we should investigate reality independently. Baha'u'llah wrote over 100 volumes so that future generations would not be left with only oral traditions. For a fuller explanation you can refer to bahai.org. I first learned of this new faith in Salt Lake City many years ago and it shook me out of my agnosticism. So maybe William Miller was on to something, but his vision was too limited.

[@aliciamontero7061]

I love learning about world religions. I think people should learn about it in school as a part of the human culture as one learn history or literature or history of art. It is impossible to understand our world without understanding the role of religion in arts, literature, history and even economics and politics.

[@harlanlang6556]

@@aliciamontero7061 I agree completely with you Alicia. I see the world's religions as our spiritual heritage as human beings. They have all provided spiritual nourishment for humanity.

[@ladyatlarge3844]

I love Lloyd's work! I'm so ready for this. :)

[@aeleceashley8458]

Lloyd I love that you know and quote scripture like all of us brought up. People find it so staggering but we have all had it drilled into us.

[@myratravolo1350]

I like that you spoke with morm8ns to compare notes it's really neat to hear tge differences and similarities

[@lauraann1684]

Talk to Jon Atak and/or Chris Shelton on Scientology.

[@aliciamontero7061]

Excommunication in the Catholic Church just means not being allowed to partake in some sacraments. It does not require a judicial cometee of some sort, just being married as a Catholic and then getting a civil divorce and marry again in a secular marriage and if you are Catholic, you should know you are excommunicated. Excommunicated people are not shunned by family members or friends and it does not imply excommunicated people are going to hell.

[@RandomPerson-js3rc]

Haven't been able to talk to my sister in 21 years because I was disfellowshiped.

[@ShruteFarms001]

2 of the biggest cults out there

[@kamilziemian995]

Very interesting discussion.

[@mjq243]

So great to hear the dulcit tones of a Mancunian!

[@Lovealwayswins1]

Thank you 🙏

[@myratravolo1350]

I would love to speak with you on these issues

[@howardking3046]

Thanks for answering so many of my questions. I liked the straight forward approach of your guest. It takes a lot of courage to swim against the current by asking questions-no matter what ‘religion’ or politics you ascribe to.

[@lalo2641]

Need another drink my name is Anthony Morris 😂🤣

[@maryannlockwood3961]

🥃

[@lalo2641]

@@maryannlockwood3961 👰my wife Morris wants more bottles🤣I'll be back honey this time I'm wearing a mustage and I'm gonna travel another 50 miles but now going west another liquor store so I won't get caught again. 😂

[@monida55]

John - Mormon Stories has been a wonderful source of information, guidance, and knowledge in my post-Mormon journey. I have watched dozens if not hundreds of episodes, but I can no longer withhold the following criticism. John, you've done over a thousand of these interviews, and it has brought you a degree of fame and prosperity, not to mention the gratitude of thousands. I don't begrudge your petitions for financial support, but is it too much to ask that you come prepared to interview your guests having done a minimum of research about them and their subject matter. I was embarrassed for you when you had to resort to reading out loud from Wikipedia during the interview about the basic origins of your guest's former religion. Did I expect you to be fully conversant about the JW's? No, of course not, but come on man, devote a little time yourself to the subject matter or have a staff member draw up an outline with notes. If it's any consolation you're not the lone ranger in this regard. I have seen Joe Rogan come unprepared to interviews as well. I don't know if you will ever see this comment, but I support you and want you to continue to succeed. Please accept my criticism in the loving spirit it is given.

[@MichaelYoder1961]

It's painful to watch and Lloyd kept being interrupted and after watching a lot of Lloyd's videos. I know when he's starting to get impatient. He was definitely getting impatient with John. John needs to do his homework.

[@bonitamartin2384]

The continual interruptions were annoying and distracting. I suspect there would have been few interruptions if John had researched for an hour of two. Loved seeing Lloyd!

[@hikingviking859]

Awesome, I have Mormon and JW family members

[@harlanlang6556]

You're so blessed!

[@gaillarsen7863]

Wow that must be fun

[@xboxguy727]

i hoped that you guys had talked to each other on record at some point. great series.

[@myratravolo1350]

You were looking for a copy a while back

[@marksteel4162]

I wonder how many people know Charles Taze Russell also use the measurement from the end of his printing press to the Allegheny railroad to the Hoboken New Jersey ferry to the Brooklyn headquarters to come up with the year 1914. I'm not making this up.

[@markvonwisco7369]

@ 1:01:30 "Stay alive 'til '75!

[@terrycarleson6371]

Great

[@aeleceashley8458]

We were never taught about antisemitism it was all not saying heil hitler and dying for Jehovah. Constantly studying this in the yearbooks was so terrifying.

[@myratravolo1350]

One man in Thunder bay claims to be part of the annoited

[@aeleceashley8458]

Growing up we never questioned being part of the 144000. It was just how it was. I knew one person brother Pete Popadopalis who was anointed. Incredibly rare.

[@Sportliveonline]

A Judicial Committee of Window cleaners Janitors ~~~coming your way soon

[@nesbo7578]

Amazing video! I think a lot of JWs need to see this (if they were allowed...)

[@Ooddeenn]

That’s why they are no true religion, because they know if they allow people to watch these videos who are not aposeteastic who show the experience and things real witnesses lived through and this will show to stop being jehovah witnesses because it will disprove all of their ideas. Like evolution and all of the Bible teachings that were not even written for people in the future. I think there has to be something we can do to stop their teaching or something.

[@aeleceashley8458]

This is so funny finishing Lloyd’s sentences. It boggles my mind that current JWs don’t know this or that anyone can fake it. I was born in absolutely devout but once I knew it was a lie I never went to another door or meeting. I just don’t understand half way anything. Yes it’s scary to leave everything and everyone you know but living a lie would be torture. Purple triangle vhs was quite heart wrenching and the yearly books sharing hideous stories of torture of people wouldn’t heil hitler was terrifying to imagine as a little. One of my most terrifying memories was a sister who had her hand placed in boiling oil because she would not heil hitler. The thought of my child living in fear like I did is inconceivable.

[@myratravolo1350]

The New system also includes peopke who stay on the refreshed earth & not in residing up in heaven stay on earth

[@robvanes693]

1925 Beth Sarim?

[@lalo2641]

Catholic church just joined too with 7 day adventist and la luz del mundo and Dr white 🤣

[@BrendonKing]

Huh. Here I was wondering what it would be like if these two had a discussion. Guess it happened a while ago.

[@marksteel4162]

I'm so glad you cleared that up. Thanks Lloyd I always wondered where John cedars came from I researched it but I couldn't find nothing!

[@ericbaker6542]

I’m podcasting from the planet Kolob 😂

[@Halomusik9548]

As a woman I don't get my own. 😣

[@iconacy]

As a non mormon you don't it not to late to repent and be baptized.

[@aeleceashley8458]

One more comment lol when I have people I love ask me about leaving and I know they have a good heart I always suggest brother franz “crisis of conscience”. All scriptural and loving. It all blows my mind my life was absolutely shaped by this as a child. I highly suggest Rick Allan Ross for cult deprograming material but I feel there is just nothing significant for people born into a high control group. It’s a different dinamanic.

[@myratravolo1350]

That was hos paperback story

[@myratravolo1350]

You pass the wine and waffer to the perspective to you

[@myratravolo1350]

I have a copy of Jeremiah

[@lalo2641]

Gregg Stafford just joined Jws

[@jasminereesby3808]

I know of somone disfellowshiped for watching porn

[@peggystoutemorin4529]

Was John looking up information on Wikipedia during the interview? If he was, I find that a bit disrespectful to Lloyd. It means his full attention is not on his guest and he did not prepare ahead of time to learn some basics about the JWs. I hope I'm wrong. 😮

[@lalo2641]

😂🤣

[@aeleceashley8458]

Kind of anti war lol. No standing up for national anthem no saying pledge of allegiance. So embarrassing

[@iconacy]

Has anyone ever wondered why the lds church is getting attack so hard ? One honestly has to think if Mormonism is not true then why all of the attacks? There are 1000s of KZbin channels dedicated to bashing the church. This is confirmation to my heart this gospel is true. I don't see people making any other channels bashing any other religion as hard as as the lds church

[@aliciamontero7061]

Look for channels by ex Jehovah Witnesses, ex Catholics, ex Seven Day Adventists, ex Scientologists, ex Muslims ....

[@tamaraelsberry6630]

You are right. The "accuser of the brethren" (Lucifer) stirs up as many hearts as he can against this religion. More then any other. All of these channels have "accusations" against the church. Some dedicating their lives to trying to discredit this faith. If it wasn't threatening Lucifer's kingdom in a big way (he is the god of this world) there wouldn't be so much energy against it.

[@aliciamontero7061]

@Thomas Rakewell Quite true. Persecution complex help some people to keep their faith, as they interpret it as a sign of being the true religion or the true Church or God's organization on Earth... "Being victims of evil forces" reinforces their sense of belonging to the "chosen ones".

[@M-n-K]

@@tamaraelsberry6630 interesting! JWs say that exact same thing

[@Alansworstnight]

This is exactly what Jehovah's Witnesses say too so I guess they are the true religion am I right?