Londoniyyah - Part 2 - Naturalism, Materialism | Mohammed Hijab

Londoniyyah - Part 2 - Naturalism, Materialism | Mohammed Hijab
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[@JonasHassibi]

I honestly believe that the work of Mohammed Hijab and the other guys at Sapience Institute is the most important at the moment in the west. may allah bless you million times. keep rocking guys!

[@user-ue4fh5mv9s]

To be honest there isn't a big difference between the "east" and the west except for the fact that most non-western countries are poor but the same idilogically

[@SirSidi]

​​@@user-ue4fh5mv9sthere is no difference on what aspect? The non-western cpuntries are greatly influenced by the current reigning idiologies of the west. This does not mean that non-western countries do not or did not have their own logos because they are being subjugated by the west

[@babahadjimohamed9339]

​@@user-ue4fh5mv9sThe East knows what a man is and what a woman is so ......

[@Kimjung7712]

Assalam Alekum, please always write Allah with the capital A letter. May Allah bless you❤

[@IbnMurrah]

*Londoniyyah - Part 2* 0:00:00 | Introduction 0:02:42 | Defining Materialism & Naturalism 0:10:07 | Types Of Materialism 0:14:07 | Summary Of Covered Topics So Far 0:15:36 | Logical Positivism - Explained 0:26:53 | The Hard Problem Of Consciousness - Explained 0:40:40 | Artificial Intelligence & Consciousness 0:45:17 | Summary Of Covered Topics So Far 0:49:02 | Can Materialists Explain Morality? 0:56:05 | Outro

[@IbnThabitVerlag]

you make our work so much easier, Jazakallahu khayran really!!!

[@radiant_man]

Thnx

[@clintonbaird5465]

Apart from obviously the guidance of Allah (SWT) and the figure of prophet Muhammad peace be upon him you are one of the main figures that drew me to convert to Islam Alhamdulillah

[@shahid8545]

Alhamdulilah akhi. He's tapping into what many just cannot quite grasp.

[@mozzjonas9292]

@The GigaChad indeed, you cannot exclude Daniel from the convo. His work is absolutely exceptional and imperative.

[@raifakharbhatti]

Topics discussed in the video:👇 (If I have left anything please remind me) Materialism and Physicalism: Everything in this world can be explained through physical processes. Or there are only physical things that exist in this world. Further types of Materialism: I)Eleminative II)Emerging Naturalism (David papineau) i- Ontological/metaphysical naturalism Every thing in this world can be explained through physical processes and supernatural things don't exist. ii) Methodological Naturalism Scientific/physical experiments can be done or in other words scientific methods can be used without putting God/supernatural beings into this discussion. Logical Positivism: Anything that is not verified empirically is meaningless. Dualism (Rene descartes) : Mind and body are distinct and separable. Examples given in video I) Chinese room experiment II) Ship of Theseus

[@RidwanAlQudbi]

Shukran brother

[@shamasrasool6069]

Appreciated

[@mountain102]

barakAllahufeek. you forgot functionalism

[@raifakharbhatti]

@@mountain102 Jazaak Allah Brother for reminding ♥️

[@IbnMurrah]

Jzk ❤️

[@bunyyilmaz7646]

02:30 || General definitions 04:15 || Methodological and Ontological Naturalism 09:15 || Ontological naturalists are atheists 10:00 || Eliminitive Materialism 11:45 || Reductive Mateiralism 12:30 || Functionalists 13:30 || Emergent Materialism 14:20 || Short Summary 15:30 || Refutation of logical Positivism 21:30 || Scientific method is assumed, not discovered 25:30 || Be precise 26:50 || Hard Problem of Consciousness 28:15 || Substence Theory 28:35 || Dualism 32:30 || Idealism 33:20 || Science deals with the third person, not the first 37:40 || The Ship of Theseus 39:20 || Artifical Intelligence 45:10 || Summary 49:15 || Morality under Materialism

[@malikfaisal1558]

Highly appreciate these efforts which will prove to be fruitful inshaallah

[@syedibrahim7894]

21:50 I hear Ali Dawah, glad to see you are learning from the best Mashallah

[@Hello-vz1md]

It will be really great if you guys also publish Article version of this episodes in your website

[@user-mm3yk3uq4g]

They already have many articles on their same-named-website

[@RidwanAlQudbi]

Student #1 from Somalia, insha'ALLAH Londoniyyah will be like طحاوية and واسطية Masha'ALLAH, وجزاك الله خيرا

[@esmanur5460]

The messenger of ALLAH,feace and blessing be upon him, said: Whoever calls to guidance will hawe a reward similar to those who follow him. Sahih muslim

[@gooner4life0890]

Please correct the typo

[@esmanur5460]

@@gooner4life0890 ?

[@IbnMurrah]

@@esmanur5460 it says feace

[@esmanur5460]

@@IbnMurrah ok

[@mohameda5947]

Peace *

[@godisonegodhaswon]

34:58 The materialist and naturalists, "are presupposing a third person inquiry on a first person experience" which is highly problematic therefore how could it ever produce deterministic results which is the type of empirical evidence required by the tenets of the very same positivistic school of thought

[@evilmelez]

Syntax-semantics is also in Divine Reality by Hamza for those of you are interested

[@shamasrasool6069]

May Allah increase you brothers along with all of us, Alhamdulillah. I am so happy. I wish I could support this whole institute. I am doing whatever I can. Brilliant job. Please keep doing the work you are doing. You are helping a lot of people. As salaam alikum

[@tech_lab360]

Assalamu Alaikum to my fellow Muslim brothers and sisters, and hello to everyone else watching this video. I've just finished watching the video and I wanted to share a summary of the key points discussed. In this video, Mohammed Hijab discusses naturalism, materialism, and physicalism, as well as the hard problem of consciousness and the differentiation between human beings and robots. He also delves into the philosophical implications of materialism, particularly in relation to morality, intentionality, and the limitations of a purely physicalist worldview. The video provides a comprehensive overview of these philosophical concepts and their implications. 00:03: Exploring Materialism, Naturalism, and Physicalism 00:07: Discussion on materialism, naturalism, and physicalism in relation to consciousness and AI. 03:16: Differentiation between ontological and methodological naturalism in scientific approaches. 05:56: Understanding the Difference Between Methodological and Ontological Naturalism 05:58: Demarcation between methodological and ontological naturalism is crucial in science. 06:00: Methodological naturalism allows for scientific inquiry without commitment to metaphysical naturalism. 06:45: John Lennox highlighted the distinction between mechanism and agency in evolutionary biology. 11:50: Exploring Different Types of Materialism and Positivism in Philosophy 11:51: Materialism asserts a knowledge gap between physical processes and subjective contributions. 12:00: Different types of materialism include eliminative, functionalism, and emergent materialism. 16:09: Positivism in philosophy emphasizes the principle of verification for meaningful statements. 17:41: Logical Positivism and the Evolution of Scientific Method 17:41: Logical positivism rejected non-measurable concepts in science, leading to a shift in scientific thought. 21:56: The scientific method is an assumption of science, not a discovery, evolving through history. 23:36: Exploring the Nature of Ideas and Consciousness 23:36: Abstract ideas are not physical and cannot be empirically proven. 24:16: Logical positivists' views on consciousness and materialism are discussed. 28:25: Descartes' dualism theory and the separation of mind and body are explained. 29:28: Exploring Philosophical Theories on Existence and Consciousness 29:31: Descartes' 'I think therefore I am' concept challenges existence doubts. 32:07: Different philosophical theories include dualism, materialism, and idealism. 34:55: Science struggles to explain first-person subjective experiences with third-person methods. 35:20: Challenges in Understanding Consciousness and AI 35:20: Challenges in explaining first-person experiences and the existence of consciousness. 35:56: The limitations of science in explaining emotions and subjective experiences. 40:41: Debating the possibility of consciousness in AI and the nature of human consciousness. 47:07: Challenges of Materialism and Morality 47:15: Materialism cannot explain consciousness due to its third-person nature. 48:00: The replacement of cells challenges the idea of a consistent self in materialism. 49:24: Materialism struggles to justify morality, leading to potential inconsistencies in beliefs. 53:00: Debunking Morality Illusion in Materialism and Naturalism 53:04: Morality is considered illusory in materialism and naturalism. 54:12: Materialists struggle to explain morality without a priori distinctions. 56:12: Understanding distinctions in materialism aids in addressing moral arguments with atheists

[@aali8874]

Wa'alaikum assalaam wa rehmatu'LLAHI wa barakatuh

[@kibaworchanel5579]

In this life, I am willing to be under the influence of Allah's Messenger and his Ulama (LIRRASUL BIRRASUL) But... when I am not under the influence of Allah's Messenger and his Ulama, I am a liar, ASTAGHFIRULLAH YAA SAYYIDII YAA RASULALLAH... (O my leader, O Messenger of Allah) Maintaining awareness of being under the influence of LIRROSUL BIRROSUL is a struggle, May ALLAH help us with this in this world and the hereafter

[@BushraAlkhateeb-on5nl]

Amazing lesson, Jazakum Allah Khair

[@nasernazamyar9783]

Please make sure phones not ringing/vibrating the whole time on the next session

[@IbnThabitVerlag]

Wir waren hier! We've been here! #übersetzt #translated

[@esmanur5460]

💚Mohammed ❤💛hijab💜

[@raifakharbhatti]

Jazaak Allah ♥️ Extremely Informative ♥️♥️

[@muhammadmohib9037]

If sapiens can record Arabic grammar and balagha lesson of this poem it would be easy for many people who are going learn it by heart .

[@wa7sh36]

37:19 and also perhaps its consciousness that is affecting the brain and not the other way around

[@munirahmadqalam-mal5927]

جزاک الله خيرا کثیرا

[@the.otheropinion]

Jazakallah

[@homtanks7259]

Jazakallahu khairan

[@rawen_Khalid]

Jazaka-llahw-khaira

[@muhammadshahedkhanshawon3785]

Love from Bangladesh ❤️

[@shahanreza1451]

We should do something like this in bangladesh

[@muhammadshahedkhanshawon3785]

@@shahanreza1451 হ্যাঁ ভাই। যেভাবে সেক্যুলারিজম ছড়ায়া পড়তেছে যে কেউ ই সংশয়ে পড়ে যেতে পারে। আমার একান্ত ইচ্ছা আমি philosophy of religion নিয়ে পড়বো যাতে করে সামনে যারা উম্মাহ আসবে তারা যেনো কোনো সংশয়ে না পড়ে। যদি আল্লাহ্ রাব্বুল আলামীন চান তাহলে। আলাহ্ আমাদের সঠিক সহজ সরল পথ দেখাক আমীন

[@godisonegodhaswon]

41:55 Syntax is the actual words you are using the Zahir the outer meaning the apparent Semantics are the meaning of the words your are using the Batin the hidden meaning the inner

[@mohameda5947]

Syntax refers more to sentence building, and semantics relates to the meaning of each diction.

[@godisonegodhaswon]

@@mohameda5947 Yes primarily in terms of English but in secondarliy as it is used in this video as Quranic analysis it means precisely what I wrote. Further the speaker is not using it in its traditional application in grammar or linguistics but rather to illustrate a point which also has to do with the Quran and not English.

[@thefootballfan660]

21:41 @Sapience Institute, is that AliDawah asking a question? The voice is very much similar as his?

[@TheGolfCommunity1]

“How do I know I have a hand” I slap myself

[@mohameda5947]

Interesting. I would refer to the agent as ‘the causer’ of the cause that brings about the (desired) effect.

[@asadullahsaaid3794]

SUBHANALLAH ❤️🤍❤️ Beautifully Articulated 👌🏻👍🏻

[@hashimmohammed1794]

These concepts are very interesting to learn

[@Avraham.Eisenberg]

It's me or the audio in this is lacking quality? It's like a robotic echoing and I'm losing focus when quality is bad. Either way the first episode was awesome 👌 I'll see if I can manage pass 10min with the audio on this video.

[@MrZiaurrahman]

one can tell that audience comprises of advanced students...

[@khatijaheunos4616]

Kami pernah memberitu kepada anak,dan saudara2 kami tentang diri kami.(tapi nereka berkata kami kurang waras)

[@godisonegodhaswon]

51:01 Any and all moral laws or any notion of ethics is rooted in theism a true atheist has no objective morality natural moral law are laws that are inherent and given through either; A. God, B. nature, or C. reason without the need for legislation or codification according to Aristotle Reason(c) dictates the necessity of an Uncreated Creator or Unmoved Mover for Aristotle in other words God(a) According to Nature(b) and evolutionary theory as well as neo darwinism it is survival of the fittest wherein might makes right and power must devour how could morality or ethics arise from the original state of nature?

[@mohamedramy557]

Bro I appreciate you wearing the traditional Mauritanian dara’a

[@freeman7983]

masha ALLAH

[@abrarhameem8424]

45:00 summary

[@adnankassem8114]

will you guys post a reading of the whole poem at the end? And can we get the text of the poem somewhere? Jazakum Allahu Khayran

[@kandarkomering8430]

The criteria for success in Islam are divided into two things, namely: 1. Success in the world 2. Success in the afterlife In conclusion, Allah SWT instructs his people to try harder in the world because the revolution will not happen without effort. I can give examples of successful figures in today's world. 1. Khabib Nurmagomedov 2. Mohamed Salah 3. Irfan Hakim 4.Raffi Ahmad 5.Jusuf Hamka Wealth does not make them negligent, instead they are closer to Allah, loving family and parents.

[@amerelliotrancekeehl6287]

I am not sure I understand your point.are you saying the success in dunya is equal to success in akhira? Because that's not how Islam is... Islam teaches us to work hard in this life and become successful TO SERVE our Akhira. So intentions matters... And te fact that Islam is a way of life matters... If someone desires success in business, they must do their best to implement shariah compliant finance transactions. Praying. Or bring close to family, parents. Is not enough... If someone seeks to be a successful athlete, then they must use intend to use their platform for message of Islam... Praying is not enough From your list, I only know of Khabib N. who is like this. May Allah (ﷻ) reward him for his hard work.

[@amerelliotrancekeehl6287]

@Akh1990 i agree-- i replied to that brother with the same thing. If you become rich, there is more burden on you-- you have to make sure your wealth is halal-- so you must avoid Riba+ increase your Sadaqah. So success in this world and success in the akhira ARE NOT 2 halves of the same coin. Or if you become famous, you must use your platform to promote Islam like Khabib N. . Being nice to your family or merely praying after attaining success is not enough. You are required to do more to serve Islam so that you may attain success in Akhirah

[@nafismubashir2479]

Every religion that I am aware of teaches its followers that consciousness is separate from substance.

[@TechNaf]

assalamualaikum

[@esmanur5460]

wa alaikum salam

[@RidwanAlQudbi]

Please the we need the matn of the nathm...

[@ahwehbe6070]

Pls send link for the matn

[@MohammadQasim]

Go on articles on kbyh website for the arabic poem of londoniyyah

[@oneing4206]

First the Moroccan djellaba and now the Mauritanian outfit. I see you rocking that Maghreb flair

[@nafismubashir2479]

He studied islam in a Mauritanian school

[@captainabez7086]

Can this episode be broken down by topic to digest i had to watch it three times lol

[@muhammadmohib9037]

Please share translation of it .

[@kenzy.shares]

Materialism and Physicalism: Everything in this world can be explained through physical processes. Or there are only physical things that exist in this world- there is no room for supernaturalism or divine powers . Further types of Materialism: I)Eleminative : eliminates anything other than what is material ( usually reply that we do not know yet ) II)Emerging : consicouness emerges thru material world III) reductive : admit there is a knowledge gap between physical processes/subjective experiences and our consciousness so if you are a materialist , you dont have access to morals- how will u put it under a microscope? so there cant come a person who is a positivist or materialist and attack islam on moral grounds- how dare he? positvist to him morality is meaningless because it can not be measured for a materialist he can say subjective morality but how can he verfiy it - how can it be as real as the physical processess in the world . Naturalism (David papineau) i- **Ontological/metaphysical naturalism:** nothing nonphysical can intervene in the physical world Every thing in this world can be explained through physical processes and supernatural things don't exist. ( they deny the supernatural - obv he is an atheist) ii) **Methodological Naturalism** Scientific/physical experiments can be done or in other words scientific methods can be used *without putting God/supernatural beings into this discussion* ( - you dont have to be an ontological naturalist in order to use methodological naturalism/ do science ) -science was referred to as *natural philosophy* Logical Positivism: Anything that is not verified empirically is ( measurable ) meaningless. replying to this^ : this sentence itself cant not be verified empirically , hence it is false ! (this philosophy has already been dealt with but good to know so you can refute easily when someone presents this- the founding fathers softened their position or abondoned this method aslan) -scientific method is presupposed by science , not discovered by it -theories must be falsifiable - must be able to disprove it- if not then it is not scientifically rigorous Dualism (Rene descartes) : conciousness is separate from body i think therefor i am - the only thing you cant doubt is existence but i mean if someone is hallucinating they also know they exist - thats the most fundamental thing Mind and body are distinct and separable. *science is a 3rd person enterprise mind and body are different b daleel every cell of your body gets replaced so you are technically a diff body / Ship of Theseus so basically ; materialism = everything is physical dualism = mind & body are separate idealism = everything is in the mind ( shabah solpcism which says we live in matrix) syntax : the words u use semantics : the meaning you convey , what u intend when a robot says i love u it is different than when i say it robot has input ( binary computer) we have an **intentionality** but a robot can never have an intention because it can not generate it autonomosly , it will always need an input and churn out an output but this intentionality is an aspect of consciousness

[@sakibfarid]

I don't think you can refer to the robot code as input when talking about AI. The input would be a learning set e.g. the alphabet if your training it to recognise the characters. Similarly humans have inputs which are the senses.

[@mahmoudhammouda379]

38:50 the neurons in our body have a very limited ability to regenerate so the brain cells don't get renewed. So this point I don't think is valid.

[@mountain102]

mashaaAllah bro. just a question: can you speak about quantumphysics. its often used from atheists and I dont know how to deal with that.

[@mahakeza]

Can we have the Arabic poem in the discription? Jazakum Allahu khayran.

[@HK-zu8cf]

Is the brother looking to do another expl.?

[@ibnamin9388]

This is a West Africani robe you have there, right? Ma shaa Allah

[@muhammadtawsif4100]

What's August Comte's positivism?

[@mohameda5947]

Are you playing jeopardy? 😁

[@oussamaboulazhar1255]

Fam, that arabic poem is a litteral buffet

[@deleted5467]

Ma shaa allah where did you get the thobe from?

[@WalidsChannel]

With regards to morality, I guess materialists can justify moral values through utilitarian or pragmatic perspective? They don't need to believe objective morality necessarily. What are your views then?

[@numanabduljamil2644]

Where can I get that poem?

[@mountain102]

a question brother: you sayed se can‘t proove that neurons cause consciousness because it has i materialistic presupposition. But if we assume dualismism it also has a presupposition. How can we proove that? and whats wrong abou idealism from an islamic perspective? barakAllahufeekum

[@Usman-ob6de]

I suggest you reading "The Divine Reality" by Br. Hamza. It will definitely help you, Inshallah.

[@mountain102]

I did read it. Maybe I will have a look on it again. barakAllahufeekum

[@mohameda5947]

If you suggest that neurons cause consciousness then we should be able to pinpoint the how? Not only that, but we should be able to produce consciousness ourselves if it is only physical material and we should be able to recreate life if it is a physical substance that could be pointed to and manipulated, just like all other physical matter.

[@wassimkaroui6084]

i love you

[@humanbeing7182]

Where the londoniyah name came from?

[@nafismubashir2479]

london-iyyah iyyah is genitive londoner basically

[@mohameda5947]

@@nafismubashir2479 good job

[@nafismubashir2479]

@@mohameda5947 Wait isn't Iyyah also the most common ending for a place?

[@mohameda5947]

@@nafismubashir2479 well, actually you have it right. its meant to denote relation to the noun including a place.

[@TheHeartInTheSpade]

i heard Abu Layth beat you in a recorded debate but you said he cant post it

[@CabdifataaxCardio]

21:41 Ali da awa 🤣

[@DeenNews24]

Wish i would undustand Arabic

[@mirrasikulislam7344]

There's a bone of contention Since neurons aren't replaced therefore a materialist would argue it's the same me becoz of same neurons

[@ovobegzinoii51]

Sensai Hijab

[@muhammadhydara04]

Brother Hijab went to Mauritania 😂

[@sadeekahsaban162]

❤️🇿🇦

[@nafismubashir2479]

I feel much more intellegent

[@macmac1022]

Just wondering what everyone thinks about what happens to people who have had a corpus callosotomy and seem to have 2 consciousnesses afterwards. Here is a 5 minute video that explains it and shows some examples of it. Now just to add a bit more to the video, there was a guy who was beating his wife while with the other hand trying to stop himself from beating his wife. There is also a person who one side of the brain is atheist and the other side theist. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rZe8k5qapJ2YY5o So my question is to anyone who is not a materialist. How do they explain what happens to people who have had a corpus callosotomy?

[@macmac1022]

@@furioustacowarrior1489 >>It could by just a part of your entire consciousness. like that your entire consciousness is made out of different parts and not all of them can be expressed by your body…by doing the surgery it brakes the physical barrier allowing the other part work. I don’t think the vid says anything about the other part having. Beliefs…idk"" The example of the guy beating his wife with one hand and trying to stop himself with the other and the atheist one side and theist on the other are not in the video. That is why I said now just to add a bit more to the video. Please explain how one soul has this conflict only after that operation is done? That makes 0 sense that 1 soul with disagree with itself. makes perfect sense if consciousness is just brain processes and the cutting of that wire between them stops the communication between them.

[@macmac1022]

@@furioustacowarrior1489 >>second we don’t even know fully know the other side even in the video it was being speculative"" You did not see each side get asked its favorite color and and each side giving a different answer? You did not see where he grabbed a snack bar and the other hand slaps it out of that hand and grabs a different one? These are affects of split brain patients. Guy won the nobel prize for his research on this. >>you are a physicalist you have the hard problem of consciousness…"" Consciousness is from the brain, that is simple. Ever seen consciousness without a brain? If you are a substance dualist, you have the problem of explaining this, it makes perfect sense from the consciousness is from the brain, makes 0 sense is consciousness is from a soul.

[@macmac1022]

@@furioustacowarrior1489 >>I should have typed that sentence better….I meant is that side Able do think like or follow the same logic as the other side…"" It pretty much seems like it but there are some things that are only able to be done on one side, like verbal speech for example. >>The question is how from a physicalist standpoint."" ????? By evolution of the brain. Chemical and electrical impulses running through neurons. >>See, how do you see consciousness…consciousness isn’t a physical thing you can’t see consciousness."" I cant see air but I can see the affects of air. I cant see energy but I can see the affects of the energy on matter. I cant see consciousness but I can see that people act consciously and are self aware. I can tell you have a consciousness as you are responding and I am pretty sure you can think just like most other people can. Obviously I dont mean visually see it. I will rephrase the question. Have you ever perceived something without a brain being conscious? >>It would if you were able to show or logically explain how consciousness can arise from non living things like atoms etc.."" Evolution of the brain as its beneficial to survival, chemical and electrical impulses using neurons. Let me turn this on you. Please explain how the soul works and give us consciousness? I want to know the processes and give me usable information, can you? >>As of now brains are the only thing that can express consciousness in the physical world but that doesn’t mean a brain is necessary…depending on your view…."" Ummm pretty sure it give a lot of probability that yes a brain is necessary for consciousness.

[@aali8874]

Wa'alaikum assalaam wa rehmatu'LLAHI wa barakatuh