Long Travel Suspension Guide - Parts, Mods & Cost - Camburg Tundra Long Travel Off-Road

[@OutdoorAuto]

If you need info on more basic suspension upgrades check out this video - kzbin.info/www/bejne/jaSZdYtjmLuSrtk

[@lcstay10]

Love the build. Your 35” vid was a huge help getting my truck set up, especially with wheel offsets. Best tundra content on KZbin

[@OutdoorAuto]

Awesome... Glad the video was helpful. I have more Tundra videos coming.

[@TinkerersAdventure]

Great video! This is a very complete setup done right. High speed stuff really adds a lot of cost.

[@OutdoorAuto]

High Speed = Cost and Maintenance for sure... but if you actually use it, there is no substitute.

[@anthonyproia5634]

I’d love to hear you talk about starting a KZbin channel. What have been your obstacles? Have you been able to quit a day job to focus on KZbin? Has it been profitable? I have been on the fence about starting a channel for awhile and even got gear… I just don’t know what I’m afraid of or waiting for… great vid btw. I love the way 37s look on tundras. Not sure I could get myself a long travel set up unless I start getting KZbin money lol

[@eprohoda]

good morning!that is professionla travel, catch you later,dear!

[@natefoster]

Awesome video, like you said, everything is connected in a build like this, other ancillary costs not called out, fender install/paint, gearing for 37’s, and those fender liners are pretty grumpy to make- the fronts took me a couple long days to do 😂

[@OutdoorAuto]

ooooh good point on re-gearing... I should have called that out too. I have 5:29 gears and a LSD in the rear. Fender liners are a pain... i'd honestly just buy them if I could... the guys over at TAV have mastered it... I need to go learn from them.

[@OutdoorAuto]

I am about to start work on new fender liners.... so not looking forward to it... I swear I would rather rebuild an engine then make fenders...

[@robp418]

This channel is super underrated. Getting ready to go long-travel on my 01 gmc and videos like these help keep me inspired. Keep pushing out quality content!

[@OutdoorAuto]

Thanks 🙏 you have no idea how much that means to me. Good luck on your build.

[@jamesstein5952]

Very well done appreciate your knowledge. Been watching you for a while. Mine a Tundra rigged for mild - slight difficult off roading. Icon is my suspension. keep sharing your knowledge again Tks

[@OutdoorAuto]

Thanks James, I am working on several more videos for Tundras so keep an eye out. Thanks for the support.

[@corbinolsen12]

Great video! Always wanted a breakdown of the build on that truck.

[@OutdoorAuto]

It’s a great truck… now I just need to finish all the maintenance

[@fullmag_tundra]

Excellent video! I loved your point at the end with the new tundras, I’m currently trying to build out my gen 3 to be one of the first “luxury prerunners” with the whole LT and fiberglass. Admittedly there isn’t a lot of kits to go around right now but I’m excited to see what these companies start coming out with here soon. Camburg already teased their CAD renders of their front LT kit and it looks insane. Can’t wait to see what Dirt King, Total Chaos, and LSK have in store!

[@OutdoorAuto]

I am guessing both Camburg and Dirt kings probably have options soon.

[@AROD.]

Man you need some spindle gussets

[@OutdoorAuto]

Tell me more?

[@AROD.]

@@OutdoorAuto most companies sell some weld on spindle gussets to reinforce our stock spindles on the tundra I got mine from dirt king like $70 for the pair

[@chasedanger9734]

I have the same camburg kit on my lx570... I snapped the supplied axle shaft 1st trip out. Did really good all day till the last obstacle of coarse... hindsight I'd of just bought the rcv's from get go... save the 600 bucks and much headaches of the cv swap.

[@flyfisher530]

Nice video Nathan! Man you have put that suspension through some miles! Very cool video on how it has performed! 👍

[@OutdoorAuto]

Thanks... Yeah... that system has been abused... pretty excited to pull it all off, clean it up and put it all back on looking new.

[@connorellisx]

So you said that the external reservoir is for heat dissipation, and yes this is true it can help with this along with adding shock oil volume. But I felt I could also add that the main purpose of an external resi is that it separates the oil from the nitrogen in the shock externally from the shock itself which prevents aeration of the shock oil. Roughly half of the resi is actually just nitrogen gas!

[@OutdoorAuto]

Great point... I will have to do some component level deep dives in the future that cover stuff like this.

[@kmaamk1620]

I been binging your videos lately I love your format and structure of videos. Everything laid out upfront then get into it. Very organized and clean with honest experience. Ty

[@OutdoorAuto]

Wow, thanks for the feedback and thanks for watching... I will try to keep using the format where everything is laid out upfront.... never had someone call that out... but that is a good thing for me to continue to prioritize and think about.

[@kmaamk1620]

Yes! It’s definitely a factor that keeps me watching the whole video(looking forward to what was stated in the beginning). Also your lack of click baity titles makes me feel like I can trust you’re actually talking bout the subject lol. Thank you for the knowledge!

[@codychilders8307]

Glad you're uploading again

[@OutdoorAuto]

Thanks for the support… trying to upload every Sunday… but also setting up the new shop… but I’ll get there. This weeks video is a good one…

[@terrarecon]

15:35 I recommend spindle gussets from either Dirt King or Total Chaos versus the complete spindles Camburg sells, as they are asking $2,000, versus $50-$70 for the gussets that are welded onto the existing spindles providing the strength they need when upgrading.

[@OutdoorAuto]

great call out... that is actually exactly what I am looking at... got a welder in the shop... the savings... basically pays for the welder 🤷‍♂️

[@terrarecon]

@@OutdoorAuto totally. The Camburg spindles are super beefy, but gusseted spindles are plenty good in extreme conditions as well.

[@roberthanna5497]

Another great video with good info, keep it up!!

[@OutdoorAuto]

Thanks Robert, hope it was helpful in some way… more on the way.

[@zakaroonetwork777]

3:39 You Totally Flashed us with your Welder.

[@OutdoorAuto]

Oh dang... I need to add a eye safety wear warning to the video 😂

[@kilogolfmike8095]

Is the ride quality stiff and firm at lower speeds? And I heard others say that without sway bars that they have body roll and swaying on the streets. How did you counteract that?

[@SpencerHogg]

Great video man

[@OutdoorAuto]

Thanks, hopefully it was helpful in some way.

[@RockLander818]

Nice video by the way!!

[@OutdoorAuto]

🙏

[@mdtwyne]

Love your content Outdoor Auto! Curious if you’ve had any issues with your bed cracking. My friend who drives conservatively on forest service roads with another common bed rail mounted wedge camper shell has their bed splitting. It seems the frame and bed are designed for lots of torsional flex, and bolting rigid things to the bed rail leads to tearing. Theirs is also a 6.5’ bed, and the back 15” or so are cantilevered with no frame support. Thanks!

[@OutdoorAuto]

I have always had bed stiffeners... I wonder if that helped... no issues for me.

[@SublimeTree]

Thanks again! Great info as always. I was wondering what brand of cv front axles you use?

[@OutdoorAuto]

Front Axles are from Camburg

[@ChookChasersMX]

Wish we could do this in Australia! Our laws would make this kind of setup illegal (unroadworthy) and hence if caught or picked up by police the vehicle would practically be written off (and no insurance) as the difficulty in having an engineer sign off after removal of welded on frames would be close to zero. A system like this is fairly much unobtainable for us as a street/road registered vehicle. For modifications like this in Australia on road registered vehicles we would need engineers to sign off on the build but even then practically all engineers would not sign this off due to the complexity of our laws and testing requirements. 😢

[@OutdoorAuto]

Sounds like its time for Australia to get some laws changed 😳 - You guys practically invented Overlanding... gotta protect that heritage.

[@k53847]

@@OutdoorAuto You apparently need an engineer signoff to go to larger tires, so 37s and up are not common except on dedicated off-road vehicles that you trailer on road.

[@mattmccorkle8656]

What bed cage kit is that or custom made it? Curious if a tonneau cover can still be installed?

[@jdr03272]

Does the frame require reinforcement and is there a after market solution for that or straight custom?

[@redline870]

That is a really sweet setup! Dang that’s a lot of money though!

[@OutdoorAuto]

Thank god I got all on the truck already

[@k53847]

Wow, I though the Thuren King kit for my powerwagon was expensive and a pain to install...

[@OutdoorAuto]

I guess the crazy thing about this kit is that, for how comprehensive it is and the travel it gets you.... its actually pretty easy to install.... but definitely not 100% bolt on.

[@fouUili684]

Thanks for doing this, I just have 2.5 king shocks on my tundra and it’s still fun but I want more. LT would be fun but the cost is crazy, what do you when all those shocks need rebuilding? Does your truck stay on jack stands or do you have another set to put on?

[@OutdoorAuto]

I am actually in the process of this right now... I am timing the shock rebuild at the same time I am doing a big electrical refresh... and I coordinate with the shop I send it to so they are ready for them when they get the shocks to rebuild so they are only out for about 10 - 12 days including two way shipping.... We will see how it goes... but yes. Truck will be on a lift for almost 2 weeks.

[@fouUili684]

@@OutdoorAuto ok thanks

[@mrocco36]

very helpful video man thank you

[@OutdoorAuto]

Awesome, Glad it was helpful.

[@RockLander818]

Love your setup! How would you say the experience in Moab is like with the extra width? I’m gonna be 89” wide after long travel on my Tacoma. Just wondering how the trails will be.

[@OutdoorAuto]

Moab is pretty easy because the lack of trees. There are trails I wouldn’t do… but Hells revenge, Fins and things and top of the world are all great. I wouldn’t run Prichetts or anything like that 🤷‍♂️

[@RockLander818]

@@OutdoorAuto appreciate you getting back ! That’s on my list haha… Prichett 🙃 just have to see. Again thank you and I remember when you purchased that rig ! Glad it’s HELD UP and served your family well!

[@OutdoorAuto]

@@RockLander818 I feel really fortunate… with all the parts it came with it was a killer deal…

[@scottsorensen8490]

What have you seen is best for rear end leaf spring upgrades? I have a 17’ SR5 CC. I know just a little weight adds a lot of sag/squatting on Tundra’s. I have a Decked drawer system and a shell topper. Just curious about your thoughts that maybe you’ve already experienced

[@OutdoorAuto]

I have done a few things with Tundras, if you add a little weight I like Toytec’s Add a leaf kit, Old man Emu had a heavy duty leaf pack called the Dakar springs for the Tundra that was good but has had stock constraints… the best thing to do is weigh your truck at a cat scale with a full tank of gas and fully loaded with your gear and then get a custom Deaver leaf pack made for your weight.

[@scottsorensen8490]

I’ve heard good things about the Deaver leaf kits. Maybe I’ll look at that route. Good call about loading up and checking the weight. Appreciate the advice!

[@CaptMaxADV]

Damn bro! Excellent! Thanks! 🙌🏻

[@OutdoorAuto]

i'm going through the full 60K mile service on these right now... if you every have questions feel free to send them in. I keep a close eye on our channel Discord - geni.us/PublicDiscord

[@MarketAndChurch]

I'm so happy I found your channel. How does size and weight factor into what vehicle you look for when looking to do a long travel build? For example, do you look for something long and heavy, like a full-size truck like your Tundra? Or something smaller like a Tacoma or 4Runner?

[@OutdoorAuto]

This is a great Question. The reality is you can long travel just about anything... in a lot of cases the bigger you go, likely the more expensive it will be. The other big consideration is Power, most people go long travel cause they are interested in Racing (not professionally) but they want to do High Speed Desert and Mtn trails, Sand dunes., FAST..etc. This type of driving is the most fun with a lot of power, especially with Sand... you want a lot of HP. Because of this you will see platforms like the 1st gen Tundra very popular... it is smaller then the full sized Tundra and lighter but it still had V8 engine option that could be Supercharged. Longer wheel bases (not like Ford F350 long, but Tundra and down) actually do very well in high speed long travel because their is more time between the front and rear wheels encountering the same bumps that gives the shocks time to recover. If you look at the Baja 1000 Trophy Trucks - which are basically the most elite level long travel machines in the world - They are typically 1400 HP and they are pretty big... much more similar to a "small" full-size truck. Weight always kills everything... almost every type of build, you should always be targeting to be as lean as possible. Some of the New 2024 Tacomas have longer wheelbases, more powerful engine... so I could see base model Tacomas getting built into Pre-Runners becoming much more popular in the future. Hope that helps.

[@MarketAndChurch]

@@OutdoorAuto I'm just a beginner but that helps a ton, it's given me a lot of perspectives and a lot to think about. Thank you so much!

[@johnnyespinoza6861]

Now i just need the truck

[@OutdoorAuto]

Good luck 👍… prices are coming down in the V8’s.

[@CarolinaGamer420]

So would it be counter intuitive to have a long travel kit and do overlanding build? Digging into buying a truck that had long travel kit but I want to do overlanding mostly.

[@OutdoorAuto]

Overlanding a Long Travel build is honestly pretty nice when you are off-road... on the HWY it can be a bit more work and take getting used to because a lot of times you don't have sway bars. You also need to be a lot more conscious of weight and build design... an over weight long travel truck is just a huge waste of money.

[@Thesocialgarage]

What front bumper are you running? About to do a very similar build on our Tundra.

[@OutdoorAuto]

That is the C4. Great bumper.

[@Thesocialgarage]

What spring rate did you go with (650 or 700)? Are those 14 or 16in coils?

[@OutdoorAuto]

I actually just upgraded the shocks when I did the rebuild on the front end. I’m Running a dual spring coil over. Top spring is 500 lbs, and 4 inches. Lower spring is 800 lbs and 18 inches. This gives me a very plush feeling 3 inches of travel that rates at 307 lbs and then once the Cross Over ring is engaged it steps up to the full 800… so far it is working great… still making adjustments to dial it in.

[@miguelvaldez9449]

Is your steering rack original

[@OutdoorAuto]

Yup… never had any issues with it.. the tie rods have extensions to accommodate the longer control arms. But other then that it is stock. The front sway bars are obviously deleted.

[@zakaroonetwork777]

How do people have / make so much money to dump into there trucks?

[@OutdoorAuto]

I bought this one after someone put the parts in... honestly that is not a bad way to do it... as long as you can handle the maintenance. Resale market gives almost no value for off-road build items.

[@miguelvaldez9449]

What trail is that

[@OutdoorAuto]

Most of this footage is from Baja... All over Baja.

[@jeremiahsk8nsurf174]

Couldn’t you get more up travel?

[@OutdoorAuto]

Not without chopping a lot more stuff 🤷‍♂️

[@kilogolfmike8095]

Is it worth it for 2wd trucks?

[@OutdoorAuto]

I dont think so... back in the day almost all the prerunners were 2WD so a lot of old timers swear buy it... but if you watch the pros... for example in the Baja 1000.... they abandoned 2WD went to 4WD and then actually went to AWD. It is hard to argue with their results. I don't have a locker... I Just run a Auburn LSD in the rear and leave it in 4-high off-road.... work great.

[@jeremiahsk8nsurf174]

It is worth it. 4wd cv axles tend to disconnect and limit travel. At the end of the day, you can get through anything with speed and if you have great suspension, you can get through anything. For instance, I have a 2wd w/e locker and power through everything.

[@jeremiahsk8nsurf174]

Edit: CV can cause issues that limit travel and is another point of potential breaking depending how wide the arms are.

[@kilogolfmike8095]

@@OutdoorAuto can long travel handle bad roads and pot holes?

[@OutdoorAuto]

@@kilogolfmike8095 definitely

[@theboston3386]

Brake not break.

[@OutdoorAuto]

Thanks 😳 - I think I spell something wrong at least every other video... you focus so hard on the nerdy truck stuff it is easy to miss the basics.

[@zackwakefield3992]

How do you spend 5K on a long travel kit and know nothing about it...

[@OutdoorAuto]

Huh? What are you talking about?

[@MykSr]

😎❗️👍

[@OutdoorAuto]

Almost done going through the whole thing for maintenance... cant wait to get it out in the snow.

[@nolandavid3563]

Just gusset the spindles. Waaaaaaay cheaper

[@OutdoorAuto]

Ha… I actually have spindle gussets in a drawer right now… only trick is welding that steel on the Cast Spindle…

[@robertatkins272]

@@OutdoorAutoit’s forged, not cast. Preheat and zip it up with your mig

[@MikeJohnson-nj1ry]

When I see a truck with big tires and suspension modification I see a person would knows nothing of physics and economics. Look up opportunity costs. Someday you will retire. All that money you wasted trying to impress people who don't give a damn about you could have made your golden years more golden.

[@OutdoorAuto]

In some cases I agree with you... I guess.... but you don't know me. Any kid that grew up in low income housing & on food stamps understands opportunity cost. That's why I started several companies and in building them I learned a lot more about how opportunity cost works. One of my companies happens to be an off-road tour company in Baja... so the truck works pretty well for that, and tax write-offs. But all that aside... trolling KZbin channels with grumpy comments that tell me more about you, than you know about me... well that is a waste of time, I hope you can finds something that makes you happy, like the adventures I take this truck on with my family.

[@MikeJohnson-nj1ry]

@@randomname6710 I own a TRD Tacoma.

[@MatthewSeratti]

You're envious and you're trying to rationalize your emotion by placing judgement on another person. That's very emotionally immature.

[@MikeJohnson-nj1ry]

@@MatthewSeratti I drive a Tacoma I paid for in cash. Pointing out that the $2400 you spent on suspension, the $1500 you spent on tires, the cost of new rims to raise your center of gravity, decreased gas mileage, nullifying engineering to make your chances of surviving a crash and to decrease braking distance isn't money well spent. Look at statistics. You can drive your truck on 90% of roads without added costs. You are spending a lot for a small gain. This is called cost to benefit.

[@MatthewSeratti]

@@MikeJohnson-nj1ry Your emotional intelligence is quite low.