Who is the Strongest Character in Dragon Ball Z?

#dragonball #dbz #dragonballsuper
Vegito vs Gogeta, Gogeta vs Broly, Goku vs Vegito and other debates around the strongest character in the Dragon Ball anime have been going on for years now. Today I hope to answer this question and provide all the evidence for who is truly the most powerful character in the DBZ era of the franchise.
0:00 - Intro
1:32 - EOZ Goku
3:03 - Super Gogeta
4:03 - Broly
5:14 - Super Vegito
6:14 - Who wins?

[@lonkstakes]

Everyone knows its Hercule

[@FrankieWooten-co5rg]

Nah kratos

[@lonkstakes]

@@FrankieWooten-co5rg Whats a polar bear doing in arlington texas????

[@SipSop09]

Naw man it's definitely Goku Jr.

[@adeelshaikh8503]

@@FrankieWooten-co5rg kratos gets stomped by kid buu

[@adnanhi837]

Farmer with a shotgun is a close second

[@xXSonTJXx]

Broly being carried by one off statements is hilarious

[@lonkstakes]

It’s very Broly of him

[@peanutmurgler]

Because they give him a very small sandbox to play in, and his playtime is only put to an end by plot convenience/contrivance.

[@user-mq9ge1lq9w]

​@@lonkstakesHe is Videl level

[@Telarius]

Not just statements tho. It's also feats. Which is more than most others. It shows him in Broly 1 destroying 1/4 the Universe. While restricted via the necklace so restricted SSJ at best. No legend form since it breaks the device. Restricted SSJ Broly was relative but able to be hurt by Base Goku while he was forcibly surpressed

[@orbboom6119]

Bro got beaten by Super Saiyans bro i aint buying any of his glazing😂even if its by his creator

[@kaichisendou]

1. THE CHAMP 2. Farmer with a shotgun 3. Vegito 4. Arale

[@logic-dy1su]

Farmer with a shot gun Hercule Arale End of z goku

[@a180combatbowsergamepro6]

arale beats all every character

[@SergioRodriguez-bx3ot]

@@a180combatbowsergamepro6 End of Z Goku>Arale, stated by Toriyama

[@a180combatbowsergamepro6]

@@SergioRodriguez-bx3ot never heard of that but it's wrong

[@thebestcakegoku7346]

@@a180combatbowsergamepro6 its not

[@thechadlordboros]

Farmer with a shotgun: nah i’d win.

[@lonkstakes]

Stand proud Gogeta, you are strong

[@kirbyof590stars]

⁠​⁠@@lonkstakes “Are these… tears?”

[@DomiEE]

@@kirbyof590stars good question, i wouldn't know that

[@boomtube7732]

Ultra Instinct Ego Vegitogeta. With tail.

[@Speedpunk650]

the name would be Gogito

[@sergantanthony216]

With his Ikari form.

[@ethanclark100]

(Gohan absorbed)

[@dflenz7782]

i think you forgot about the strongest character in dragon ball period. The legend herself, Arale

[@crashtime3429]

Nah. Goku scales above her

[@dsm2417]

@@crashtime3429 true

[@JackRippa-bq9qo]

The fact that toriyama wrote that mind fk of a character and went to say he couldnt think of anything stronger than the end of z powers. You could make the argument that goku is literally stronger than her

[@Mexican1632]

​@@JackRippa-bq9qobut then it was retconed by the introduction of Beerus and whis.

[@JackRippa-bq9qo]

@@Mexican1632 i dont think it is bcz beerus is stated to just ignore gag powers in thesame ep goku fought arale

[@isaaccuevas1717]

You know what the craziest thing is,if we assume that broly destroyed south galexy as a suppressed super saiyan,and he’s stronger in every movie (yes he’s at his strongest in bio broly),and goten and trunks are even able to do something to him,the boys in bio broly low key are swapping hands with kid buu from the anime

[@lonkstakes]

Maybe. Broly is lowkey holding back the entire time in every movie

[@SergioRodriguez-bx3ot]

@@lonkstakes Nah, Videl is universal you can't convince me otherwise.

[@fellowmemer5693]

@@SergioRodriguez-bx3ot multiversal

[@logic-dy1su]

​@@lonkstakeshow was he holding back?

[@logic-dy1su]

Well it showed goten and trunks without trying was dodging and blocking multiple cell jr so i believe it

[@obliviongigan6360]

I am pretty sure Janemba is also started to be the strongest villian in Z in one source.

[@evilchild1851]

He mentions that while talking about Gogeta (in terms of movies), and the Buu statements in the film implies that

[@JustSomeGokuEnjoyer2]

Koyama try not to Glaze Broly Challenge(impossible) also remember that in Z Vegito has no timer so his fusion is infinite (thought its worth mentioning) also i completely agree that power scalers are just harassing Koyama and need to leave this man alone. I personally disagree with the ranking put in this video but i see where you are coming from.

[@amogus1415]

Real truthers know broly is a janemba victim🗣🗣🔥🔥

[@lonkstakes]

I aint a truther then

[@amogus1415]

​@@lonkstakes Imo Mrperfectcell has a good video going over it,id recommend it

[@crashtime3429]

Broly would obliterate jameba in his ssj form alone. Do you hear how foul his language is? Bro is more evil than janemba he would smash his face into a wall while telling him his mother dosen't love him. And dont get me started ong LSSJ oh nah even power wise lssj is stronger than janemba bust loses to gogeta because soul punisher or spirit bomb

[@sev9258]

@@crashtime3429this is so cringey, and hard to understand.

[@liammcguire1954]

@@crashtime3429tell me you didn’t watch the movies without telling me you didn’t watch the movies. It’s true what they say. Dragon ball fans haven’t even seen their own show(in this case specifically, their own movies)

[@kangrooo]

I also think it's Vegito because if you really think about it, being turned into chocolate and still beating Buu's ass is just another level of swagger that can never be surpassed by power scalers and Koyamas glazing.

[@crashtime3429]

Every DBZ character can do that above the power level of 10

[@hadouradiance3566]

​@crashtime3429 ?? No they can't? That feat is UNIQUE to Vegito.

[@SipSop09]

Buu's Dog is the strongest Don't lie to yourself You know it to be true

[@jonolivier9126]

We all know Bee is short for Beerus Level Threat.

[@SipSop09]

@@jonolivier9126 Just you wait 'till he trains, Black Frieza has got something coming

[@reddog8841]

For those in disbelief that Broly is that strong. Let me answer the questions for you 1: Broly was only beaten cause of plot. While he did lose to SSJ Goku with everyone powers, Toei animation literally made Goku get 100x more power in Movie 4 with Piccolo power alone. In Dragon Ball GT, Goku went from having no energy in Base to being > Syn Shenron who tanked his 10x Kamehameha with Goten, Trunks and Gohan energy. Movies and GT don't do 1 + 1 = 2. 2: Broly never was challenged 1 on 1, the best anyone did against him was SSj2 Gohan who barely pushed him back a meter cause Broly was too busy playing with him, this is also a Gohan who base form was superior to SSJ Trunks and Goten and trained for 7 years. That Gohan got beaten in 3 hits and needed to be saved by Krillin Broly was also controlling 3 SSJs with 1 hand laughing in Movie 10 and lost cause his own heart exploded from his own body 3: GOOD GUYS DONT DIE. It doesn't matter how strong Z Broly is, he is never going to kill anyone of the main cast nor win in the end. Good guys win, bad guys lose. If Gogeta was a bad guy he wouldn't even kill Videl lol same as SSJ Broly not killing Videl. 4: Koyama isn't the onlyu writer who says Broly is the strongest, another writer says Broly is the strongest along with Toyotaro himself in a interview. People shouldn't be surprised by Z Broly stuff, Toei loves him as much as they love Gogeta

[@3clisp315]

Vegito still slams

[@AJTheSilence]

Here's a random fun fact Gogeta has Vegeta's hairline and Vegito has Goku's hairline

[@lmAndyYT]

I ain't letting one random statement convince me Broly>Gogeta over what I seen in the movies that brother Broly is a fraud let Gogeta breathe on his stomach and he's toast

[@lonkstakes]

Its a bit more than a random statement but understandable lol

[@Invisibleboy999]

Koyama is the one who wrote the db movies who are u to tell him hes wrong? If he says brolys the strongest character in z (at least in the movie universe) then he is idk why ppl wanna deny brolys strength

[@lmAndyYT]

@@Invisibleboy999 Broly could be the strongest if given more time but never got to that time he got defeated by a powered up ssj and 3 ssjs now that was Buu Saga but still not Gogeta at most he's mid to high Buu Saga strength I don't just go by statements from years ago I go by what literally was in the movie

[@Invisibleboy999]

@@lmAndyYT i mean we never seen broly go all out so its not like the statements is contradicted

[@lmAndyYT]

@@Invisibleboy999 Him getting beat by super saiyans when he's possibly above Gogeta just doesn't fit to me you hit Gogeta with the son family kanemehameha and I doubt it does anything I think more is going against Broly is all

[@Don-fw3nv]

Fact that every character art in this thumbnail is drawn by Fenyo is hilarious

[@thenerdywave2007]

Cool Video! 👍

[@SergioRodriguez-bx3ot]

Go Vegito go Edit: Yayyy I'm happy althought I expected Broly to be the girst one out due to horrible feats.

[@LavaCreeperPeople]

Okay you see i will watch this video Also cool Thumbnail

[@PapaJ608]

dragon ball legends

[@TrueReverse74]

My take 1. Gogeta 2. Vegito 3. Janemba Janemba's a dimension shifting entity turning the afterlife into a playground which is a higher realm altogether and bends space and matter at the drop of a hat, massively outscales a Goku who not only shook the afterlife but also traversed it with close to infinite levels of speed in base (or actually infinite if you believe the metal cooler movie happened, which is probably true) Gogeta wipes him out with ease and I have yet to see broly really show anything that's on par from with that. I'm not considering End of Z goku or Arale but it most likely End of Z Goku is above all in my headcannon.

[@notacat284]

Lord slug of course

[@extremelegendsupreme4596]

This is gunna be interesting

[@lonkstakes]

It is!

[@sashanksriram8942]

Yes yes. Thank you so much for agreeing that Vegito is the strongest. Fully agree with what you said.

[@trentswoodland]

Really good video but I'm surprised you didn't mention Hatchiyack or Arale. Since Hatchiyack is stated to be stronger than Broly (movie 8 at least) and Arale is... well Arale

[@GodGoji]

One soul punisher and it’s wraps for Broly 😂

[@pokemonchampfloyd1926]

Hey Lonk whats your thoughts on Kid Buu vs Janemba?

[@Emoboiisgettingrizzzy]

Kid buu:nah I’d win

[@lonkstakes]

Pretty sure he'd go: "OOH OOH GRAHHH"

[@EQ_Power-Plus]

@@lonkstakes maybe uub?

[@PredsjednikGustavo._]

Tori Bot is true answer

[@OldManInternet]

I was toying with the idea of EoZ Goku being the strongest, because of how crazy the power boosts are between arcs. So a 10 year skip of Goku getting that next powerup plus having time to try and master SSJ3 like he did SSJ1&2 should be significant. However, the main issue is that nothing happens in those 10 years. So while there would be story arc boosts, most of the significant powerups come from a conflict. Because of the significance in the story, it feels like Vegito should be #1 over the movie characters. That's strictly from a "feels over facts" standpoint, but I'm glad an argument can be made to back it up.

[@ShockedTaiLung]

Obviously its Arale

[@TomasBregman]

I would personally rank it Goku Broly Super Gogeta Super Vegito

[@bigyoshi5170]

Monaka is obviously the strongest

[@ETERNAL_9000]

He's from super smart ahh

[@bigyoshi5170]

@@ETERNAL_9000Monaka was in DBZ, he was just too fast for anyone to actually see him there.

[@crashtime3429]

On god. Monaka ain't not bitch that mf throws hands with Mickey mouse.

[@dabotbruh2555]

hercule would slam that fodder

[@no.12papangkornkaewklad27]

1st vegito 2nd gogeta 3rd janemba 4th kid buu

[@Qhther]

You should also do a video considering the POTENTIAL of the strongest. Like Buu is potentially the absolute strongest considering his ability to absorb.

[@lonkstakes]

I already did

[@scooter9764]

you could argue EOZ goku over vegito by saying that base goku is equal if not greater than ssj3 goku from the kid buu fight through his fight with uub (depending on if you think uub is equal to kid buu or if you think goku is holding back against uub) vegito is stated to be equal in base to ssj3 goku from the buu arc. with this you could say that goku got at least 400 times stronger over the time skip making him equal to base vegito and has higher transformations (as far as we know. vegito probably has access to ssj2 and ssj3 they are just never shown) there is an even better case for EOZ goku if you think fusion is A + B x 100 = C which would make vegito only equal to 200x goku as opposed to 400x in base if you think goku and vegeta are relative in the buu arc

[@Cinnamoroll842]

It makes sense how Goku never surpasses Vegito. Cuz Vegito is a fusion and fusions are always stronger😮

[@shyzhouse]

I think farmer with a shotgun is brutally underrated

[@MonkeBrain07]

DB anime power scaling is fucking wild. This is why I stick to the manga...

[@kamikazehound3243]

Fun funises, in the general scheme of the dragonball universe, Veghan is the strongest mortal character. Think about it, Beast Gohan can get stronger by letting more anger out while Ultra Ego Vegeta gets stronger from damage. We can assume that ultra ego works like ultra instinct as a technique not a transform while beast is a transformation so it is possible that like goku stacked ui on super sayian, then Veghan could stack stack ue on beast making a deadly combination that could out put other fusions.

[@LemonDrop-zt9xx]

Either Tori-Bot or his editor.

[@user-adrsilva123]

Yo Lonk’s takes! Don’t want to rush you but please do can Guts(Berserk) beat Homelander and the Seven! Video

[@thedevilsleutice]

I have an arguement for my main man Goku end of Z. The power of Plot Armor is underrated.

[@TomokoTheIdiot]

Told yall it’s Vegito but yall ain’t wanna listen looking at you Gogeta fans

[@lonkstakes]

I've tried to let them know

[@TomokoTheIdiot]

@@lonkstakes you’re a real one for this

[@damianm8960]

Lets not forget about Arale, using her for scaling can make the 4 of them even more cracked. Cuz if all of them are stronger than her, then they could bully Tori-Bot and rewrite the narrative. Its fine if ya dont wanna include this tho, but just a potential thing to use to make them stronger, lolz

[@Ryng98]

Bro PLEASE, link of the fanart of Gogeta from the thumbnail????

[@lonkstakes]

It’s from dragon ball legends and the Vegito art is from Fenyo

[@Ryng98]

@@lonkstakes thanks.

[@GurrenPrime]

Overall very well reasoned arguments. I have trouble seeing Broly as being that high up, personally, due to his questionable win-loss record, but I suppose the whole “he lost because he was arrogant” thing kinda explains it. Which means that funny enough the ones below him on the list should reasonably be able to beat Broly despite the power difference.

[@BigJohn303]

Arrogance is the downfall of all dbz villains to be fair. And also plot armor is what saves the heroes.

[@Zeroaddy]

What about Hatchiyack? He is stated to be stronger than broly

[@metal42]

Only stronger than Movie 8 Broly, Movie 10 Broly is much stronger.

[@user-ff1tx4ol2e]

I think it is Whis, since Battle of Gods is considered part of Z.

[@he_who_has_no_name]

You didn't watch the video before making this comment, did you?

[@drizzziit1]

How the hell is Broly> Gogeta ??? He got folded by SSJ Goku. The Koyama glazing is crazy, bro made a mid-high tier character for the time and we just gonna ignore feats now because of a biased unreliable statement

[@UnlimitedRadioButNoSoap]

weren't broli in the pod the strongest? i thought he was weakened after he got c※mmed on

[@digiing1992]

If we talk about GT Uub who has been trained by Goku for years I could see a case for EoZ Goku's strenght, but people thinking that the malnourished Z Uub with no prior proper battle experience WHATSOEVER has the same strenght as Kid Buu (= SSJ3) is not just reaching, its plainly delusional. But who cares, right? With the placement of DBS being before EoZ as an excuse its difficult to say that EoZ Goku couldn't technically be the strongest character. The problem is though, and everyone can correct me on this, does the EoZ we know of even happen after the Super Hero arc, because honestly, I haven't seen anything indicating that to be 100% be the case yet. Why did Dragon Ball had to become so jumbled up with their continuities. I'm still hopeful for Daima which takes place between the defeat of Kid Buu and Beerus waking up. After that? I don't even know if there will be more Dragon ball unless maybe as games, since Japan has a tradition of honouring the closure of things when their creator leaves the world...

[@vegetalover9297]

Fun Fact BoG is a DBZ Movie so the answer is Whis

[@jungs13]

you didnt watch the video didnt you

[@user-qd4yn8pq6s]

The guy who is hinted to seal elder Kai

[@lonkstakes]

I mean Elder kai implies that guy is weaker than kid buu 😭

[@user-qd4yn8pq6s]

Oh yeah, I’m gonna actually tell you a spoiler that guy has an ability where if an opponent is stronger than him he gets stronger than them you’re asking does he train? No he just got stronger.

[@seawarrior954]

@@lonkstakes I think it was Fat Buu actually lmao

[@drj894]

Good video man The one I disagree with is broly cause personally due to his feats and his statements being a bit iffy not to throw shade or anything don’t harass people that ain’t cool but I’m fine with putting him above eoz goku but I don’t think he’s above gogeta but this is my opinion you can disagree idc

[@theperfectbeing765]

Great video man but we all know the strongest is demon King dabura

[@kirbyof590stars]

“As the strongest farmer, Goat with a shotgun, fought the fraud, the Potara fusion, he began to open up his Domain. Fraudgito shrunk back in fear, then Farmer said… “Stand proud, Vegito. You are strong.”

[@markopusic8258]

It's so impossible to scale DBZ Broly properly, that idiot has some absolutely wild feats only the Buu's come close to... and he gets defeated by regular Super Saiyans... twice. There is no argument strong enough to justify getting one shot on two separate occasions by infinitely weaker opponents unless you're actually not that stronger and that's how Broly's whole mythos falls apart. I do not believe he even stands a chance against SSJ3 Angel Goku, let alone end of Z Goku.

[@rodthedigger2902]

Great video! Vegito is number 1.

[@lonkstakes]

Usual Rod W

[@Ares_-JM]

Arale*

[@emmanuellewis6451]

is hirudegarn able to beat anyone you've shown in the video?

[@JoseC687]

Hirudegarn seems to be stronger than even the likes of Ultimate Gohan and SSJ3 Gotenks. SSJ3 Goku in Wrath of The Dragon seems to be substantially stronger.

[@JoseC687]

So that would probably put Hirudegarn > Buuhan > Super Buu >= Kid Buu.

[@sadflounder2422]

This list isnt even considering the fact that vegito and gogeta could both easily go super saiyan two and three. Im not sure if the same applies to broly but its just something that gogeta fans can cope about

[@Thegreatlordofall]

Thought it was gonna be broly for a second But i forgot you had vegito as your pfp This must be the reason This also means vegeta MEGA sold in the buu arc as if they were vegito they could've probably one shot kid buu 😭 W vid though fr

[@yourdemiseishere]

Gogeta punisher is only so effective because he was made out of negative energy, basically cancelled them out. It's weird they use it as a generic blast but fanservice is fanservice.

[@Chickfillaforlife]

even though I glaze Gogeta harder than the Goku glazer I have to respect that Vegitio is the strongest in Z.

[@vegetalover9297]

it's Whis

[@the_moon_gazer]

Everyone knows it's the farmer smh

[@Wutizgoing]

Didn't Goku legit beat Broly in hell during the Bio-Broly movie? And like... Broly is canon in Fusion Reborn because Paragus showed up? Goku (Fusion Reborn) > Broly. Even if we include Pikkon assistance, which fair, that's like... two SSJ2-Tier characters vs Broly. Arguably SSJ3 + SSJ2-Tier character. Janemba whopped an SSJ3 and was too much for Goku and Vegeta. Resulting in a fusion. Going off of the movies, Gogeta absolutely curbstomps, embarrasses, and humbles Broly. He'd go from the LSSJ to "Yes sir. Sorry sir." After one elbow to the nose. Vegito vs Gogeta is debatable and heavily depends on how much stronger the movie versions are than the manga versions. So, I have no comment on that. Also I've seen people claim the person who made those Broly statements was bias towards Broly... no clue how accurate that is-

[@jonolivier9126]

Are we really saying Gogeta is weaker than Broly when his strongest Z appearance showed Goten and Trunks running hands with the worlds strongest Muk and _not_ imploding in one shot? And I don't know how much powerscalers care about theoretical possibilities, but even if Bio Broly is even remotely comparable to Super Gogeta, there really is no reason why Gogeta can't use Super Saiyan 2 or 3 and erase the fcker by cracking his knuckles with malicious intent.

[@killersan6857]

Fr I agree with vegito being the strongest but Brody over gogeta is just wild 😂

[@Buster84]

“Janemba is the strongest movie villain” So, Vegito > Gogeta > Janemba > Broly ?

[@lonkstakes]

Its very telling that the Janemba strongest statement was deleted from the website imo

[@Buster84]

@@lonkstakes It’s fine I’m used to being wrong 😩

[@savidcaralho]

Broly would get folded by cell and it wouldn't even be close

[@Usiic]

Beerus.

[@TheOneAndOnlyZN]

The contradictions with narratives and guides is why they aren't applicable in my opinion regarding this topic. I think if these things are consistent, they are the strongest form of argument. But when they aren't, you have to at least try and use cross verse scaling. Yes, they all have somewhat universal feats but you could always ask who can do it the most casual, just as an example. I don't think you have to get into that, however, as I think the most fair interpretation is to see how far each universe is in their own continuity. Broly would simply go last here no question. Vegito and Gogeta are questionable because Vegito is the stronger fusion but Fusion Reborn is post Buu arc meaning Goku and Vegeta are at least somewhat stronger than in the Buu arc. But end of Z goku with 10 YEARS? Z Goku, using the logic dragon ball has always implemented regarding the growth of characters, wipes the floor with everyone else here. The only argument would be maybe Fusion Reborn takes place years after the Buu saga but I'm not sure that there's really any evidence for that. So end of Z Goku wins hands down. But it's all up to interpretation since if narrative and guides are included end of Z goku probably has the worst case, as previously mentioned.

[@shmelzy82]

wait isn’t super vegito stated to be only galaxy level at most which is the same as base broly?

[@qtindavis433]

i thought it was ultimate gohan and didnt know youd use movies and fusions.

[@abdullahalhanif3551]

I’m pretty sure that janemba was also called the strongest villain in the movies. Putting him above Broly who got dominated by two kids. Not to mention Gogeta literally one taps that dude. Now Vegito and Gogeta well…. Imo they are equal cause the Toriyama said that more than once but putting Broly above Gogeta feels like a crime

[@BasedKuuTooGourmet]

Before video: my answer is End of Z Goku, Kid Buu and Vegito.

[@soggybozo1515]

Absolutely cannot convince me that “Gets decked by Cell Saga” Mcgee is stronger than Super Buu 2.0, who got embarrassed by Gogeta💀

[@fulsted7167]

Janemba has statements of being the strongest movie villain as well tho. You could argue him being #2

[@christianm7250]

My drunk dad with the belt 🥱

[@MwateKawanje-uh9su]

If you refuse to use koyama statements and scaling dragon Ball I refuse to use koyama statements in scaling broly. In the movies yes very much koyama is the most valid person within the movies.

[@Ciraque.]

Bro it's Farmer With A ShotGun. He's just holding back his true power.

[@mostloved_treso]

End of Z Goku,Vegito,Gogeta,Broly or Janemba or Buuhan

[@menehuneking]

Technically🤓, Gogeta came first. The manga chapters with Vegito came out first, but Toriyama said he was inspired by the team making Fusion Reborn to have Goku and Vegeta fuse, he just made up the Potara fusion so it wouldn't be the same is in the movie

[@-A-M]

You placed Broly in 2nd and Gogeta in 3rd after stating Janemba is the strongest movie villain. Who was defeated by Gogeta. Perfect sense imo.

[@lonkstakes]

Did you conveniently miss the text on the bottom of the screen where I said the statement got deleted?

[@-A-M]

@@lonkstakes I did lol, I was just listening to the audio. My apologies!

[@fizbutreal]

grandpa gohan and master roshi are obviously the strongest...

[@augustusstamer2428]

Ignoring statements, who do you think is the strongest via feats alone?

[@shawnrosspeters]

Naw, Bulmchi (Bulma + Chi Chi via potara) wins by a mile. The only two characters consistently capable of taming Vegeta and Goku. Therefore Bulmchi beats Vegito as well.

[@baileejohnson9968]

Was about to say whis but i didnt watch the video for long. oof

[@lonkstakes]

I precoged you, sorry 😭

[@baileejohnson9968]

@@lonkstakes lol

[@ChaosIsaacZero]

Broly is the only dude shown to one shot a galaxy. Which is pretty funny, and I know a lot of things say 'oh well, someone is universal', but honestly I've never bought that. Vegito and Broly are both absurdly strong, but Vegito never actually does anything. From what is shown, Broly probably clears, especially as the character conceit is, yeah Broly wrecks everyone and then loses to an asspull, haha.

[@YourFreund]

Yall really slacking on Goditz

[@MemeGodAzul]

-infinite. Hercule, too obvious. -2. Whis. -1. Beerus. 0. Arale, less obvious. Top 3 at peak Z: 1. M10+ LSS3 Broly(Bio Broly isn't Broly, but his dna is made into an abomination) 2. M10+ SS3 Vegito 3. Golden Frieza Honorable mentions: A) Original Supreme Kai completely absorbed Gorilla Buff Kid Buu at the end of Z(seemed comparable to SSJ3 Vegito in the Heroes alternative timeline, Goku & Vegeta, worried after Vegito defusion amp(SS3 Vegito lvl in base, as in Super we see Goku & Vegeta in base after defusing tank a blow from an enraged Merged Zamasu which was trashing Blue Vegito, meaning they get an insane amp after potara defusion relative to their full fusion power at the time) in the main timeline) B) M10+(ignoring Bio Broly because he didn't appear there) version SS3 Adult Gohan. C) M10+(ignoring Bio Broly because he didn't appear there) SS3 Goku. Non fusion & in base: 1. M10+(ignoring Bio Broly because he didn't appear there) Broly 2. M10 Gohan 3. M10 Goku Top 3 potential 1. M10 Broly 2. Buuhan 3. "Perfect" Cell(complete intended form)

[@100-People]

Have you seen Atari HMB’s scaling DB cosmology?

[@lonkstakes]

No I havent. Is it good? bad?

[@100-People]

@@lonkstakes I think he provides good evidence for what his take, getting up to like 10D I will say I don’t think EVERY argument is 100% sound, but I think he brings up pretty good points for it imo

[@kyl0ooart]

Does this mean goten trunks and krillin are stronger than gogeta🤔

[@crashtime3429]

We all know it's end of z goku if we are being real. You said that if uub was likely around kid buus level and goku is able to match that power in base holding back he is easily stronger than the other forms of Buu. Given that uub both in kakarot and the manga pushed Goku to start to get a serious in base (ground fight) it's pretty obvious that uub is around if not stronger than kid buus level by being part human in having siblings and magical power on top of that. If goku hasn't surpassed super Vegito in the Buu saga thats honestly just sad and not believable tbh. Goku has yes, while in peace time, been training for TEN years straight. And even with the singular statement saying vegito was the strongest in history, that is not valid if we're counting ALL of DB (ignoring BoG and RoF) Now Dr.slump is in the dragon ball verse with arale having the same insane feats of just doing whatever she wants in her own story in both shows. If we are going off manga strictly then its def End of Z Goku, as Kid Buu, while still weaker than base Vegito, is around the same uub who temporarily matched a base Goku holding back. If we say base vegito in the Buu saga is stronger than goku's base that's fine but the pure power multiplier for ssj3 is insane and I dont think you know how badly goku would shit on Vegito. Vegito (Buu) = or > Base Goku EOZ Super Vegito (Buu) >> Base Goku EOZ Super Vegito (Buu)

[@pinksemporium3175]

I think Goku. end of z is the strongest. But I also think it's fair to call any of them the strongest.

[@alexkimball4910]

Not necessarily disagreeing, but the idea that, even after 10 FUCKING YEARS of training, End of Z Goku STILL hasn't surpassed Vegito is fucking wild to me, even when ignoring Super

[@thebestcakegoku7346]

especially considering his transformations

[@godzillakingofthemonsters5812]

Meanwhile the actual movies: By movie 11 Broly's considered basically fodder. He rampaged in Hell and Goku and Pikkon just negative diffed him. Some guides even say Goku killed him again by himself. Fusion Reborn shows Paragus, meaning Broly did exist in that film and Goku says Janemba> Which puts Gogeta>>>>Broly And Vegito>Gogeta so

[@mowthemowanimations193]

Is this not including super scaling? Because if it is it's EOZ Goku

[@saiyajin6969]

if we count Gogeta from fusion reborn, then that movie occurred after buu's defeat, so the super gogeta has gotta be the strongest being in Z.

[@metal42]

It takes place in a different continuity

[@Chckster]

He said himself he had a Broly bias… Koyama’s statements should be taken with a grain of salt over the more objective janemba being the strongest statements.

[@na5567]

Could the z fighters ward off the coming of Galactus? If he replaced the sayains Golden Freeza, Moro CellMax?

[@sev9258]

No

[@na5567]

@@sev9258 unless one wanted to be his herald 🤷‍♂️

[@sev9258]

@@na5567 I mean sure, but you specifically asked if they’d be able to ward off the coming of Galactus. I don’t see them gettting past a singular herald tbh.

[@na5567]

@@sev9258 that heavily depends on the herald. Herald power is wildly inconsistent but currently between Goku UI, Vegeta Ego, Gohan Beast, and Orange Piccolo, I think they would easily win against most heralds. But during the arcs mentioned it's less likely.

[@exlord699]

Bro you forgot black frieza 🗣️🔥🔥💯💯