Should The 12-Year-Old Machete Murderers Be Named? | Loose Women

[@daisybuttercup6801]

It’s not the fault of youth centres closing down, what a ludicrous statement. These violent kids are the result of bad parenting , their parents should be jailed with their kids.

[@cgat1955]

Yes I agree, I heard one of their grandparents were coke dealers, it’s all to do with parenting. People need to stop blaming everything other than the way they’re brought up!

[@tiagopaes9524]

Youth centres DO make a difference, along with parenting. Society as a WHOLE is to blame for the state of the youths today- and the youths from every generation!!

[@jacobcumberbatch1774]

Not even parenting children make their own decisions and know right from wrong

[@daisybuttercup6801]

@@tiagopaes9524 my 3 sons didn’t go to youth centres or even needed them. They have grown into 3 very decent men with wives and lovely behaved children, youth centres had no play in their upbringing.

[@classic1984]

@@tiagopaes9524 They make a difference on the fringes, but the real problem is destructive cultural influence and poor parenting. It's not Society's job to look after our kids.

[@lindalittle1587]

Stop blaming society,some people are just rotten to the core, these two obviously are.

[@jacobcumberbatch1774]

Is both

[@CaroleWilkinson-yc2xw]

Name them, why protect them?

[@marionrarity5738]

They should be named & shamed they didn't give a toss when they took this young mans life heartbreaking 😢

[@Pineapplex1990x]

my heart feels so sad for his parents, imagine losing your son to just an unneccessary and violent attack like this?!? 0 sympathy for the victims, name them, shame them and their families.

[@rachnapatel203]

Name them and name their parents!!! No kids should be in possession of weapons and parents should have some control over them. They are children!!

[@ThecovertCustomer]

Old enough to do grown up Things. Old enough to commit the crime. Old enough to be named.

[@brusselsnerd]

Don’t have children if you can’t raise them!!!

[@norahstuart9147]

It's bad parenting. Nothing to do with Government cuts. Where are their parents? They should be named.

[@dugebuwembo]

I wonder if they even have parents, are they wards of the state.

[@teresaharry969]

Parents should also be held accountable!

[@louisemackay4804]

So bored they butcher someone…really???

[@Kitkat-wu3ow]

Regardless of age the murderers names should be named in public. Also, the parents need to be named as well and be held accountable.

[@jameshollyoak8230]

It’s the parents fault, they just let there kids out on the streets , let them smoke , take drugs etc , lock the parents up as well

[@snsn7251]

Out at 1am? Must be crazy. In that case parents are to blame

[@Malfunktion640]

I remember when I was that age, I was in bed by 10pm, the very thought of being out till 1am was an idea my parents refused to ever entertain.

[@AAA-we2st]

If they can’t get inside after school?? I’m confused, unless you’re unfortunately homeless as a child, you would go home! This is a parenting issue, stop making excuses and blaming the government for everything.

[@deirdreLaurence]

You are arguing into the void. These are mindless women who don't care about the things they discuss, they just want topics for their show and they're going to quack about whatever comes to mind just to get the time they need

[@theukeconomist6518]

It's not difficult to understand. Lazy and bad parenting leads to this behaviour. Blame the parents.

[@aurora6920]

Exactly, to blame children murdering on youth centres is ridiculous, me and my friends didn't go to youth centres, it's up to the parents to raise them with the ability to have morals, empathy, guilt etc children shouldn't be out at 1am either.

[@jameshollyoak8230]

When I was a kid there wasn’t any youth clubs , we had rules , had to be in at 8 pm , in bed by 9pm , plus my folks knew where I was and who with ,

[@josimpson7999]

Yes definitely. They should be held accountable - they are in America! We should adopt the same law.

[@snsn7251]

Not in all cases. Get a grip

[@AgnesFay-k5c]

Why are all these people in the UK

[@aliceinwonderland.2080]

Even if they were named, on leaving prison they’d be given a new identity.

[@patriciahackman3637]

The usual excuse, not enough for the young to do in leisure time. Ridiculous, hold the parents to be responsible for their offspring. Feral.

[@TheHouseofcoolstuff]

This is so shocking on so many levels. Firstly, where did they get the £40 from when they’re only 12 years old. When I was 12 years old my pocket money was £1 a day for snack. Our society is in ruins when 12 years old kids are killing people randomly. It’s a crazy world we’re living in and it makes me scared for the future of my babies.

[@LorenzoSpoto]

It has absolutely nothing to do with Youth Centres closing down. Even with bad parenting children they know right from wrong.

[@Fee212]

So Janet, it happened because youth clubs are shut..... what a ridiculous thing to say.

[@frollockinthemeadow]

it makes a difference. These types of kids have nowhere else to go or any adults to give them life advice and guidence

[@nnekam6153]

Those type of kids will still commit crimes inside the youth centers !

[@faraboverubieskerry]

I was a latch key kid with a single parent. I wasnt involved in after school programs and I didn't hurt anyone or get into trouble. The only people responsible for making sure that children do not get into trouble are the PARENTS. period. Start holding them criminally accountable and more parents will take their roles seriously. Name the family and that will also change things for the better. This tip toe approach to juvenile monsters and their terrible parents is the problem.

[@ammaopoku5397]

If the kids are old enough to commit the crime, they are old enough to be named. Why are 12-year-old kids out on the street at that time?. I don’t understand it. They should get life sentences automatically. Nothing to do with youth centres and community centres it’s down to parenting…. 💯. There are boundaries that your kids should have rules that they should be adhering to and your voice should be one of not fear but one that should never be crossed and that should be heard.

[@spiritbaby5151]

I thought the law had changed? Aged 10 & over you are held responsible. That includes being named & known

[@simongeoghegan9842]

Excuses, excuses and more excuses when will we blame murderers for they're action's.🇬🇧

[@asavlogsalltruthrevealed7483]

you know they were white

[@Gchild2k6]

This has nothing to do with community centers closing down..another example of why we should not listen to certain females who have no need to make sense. The parents of these two boys should also be investigated and jailed if convicted for neglect and poor parenting. This is an exception where you should name the 2 boys.

[@DavidDamen-ve7br]

if they can carry a Machete they should be given 20 years

[@josimpson7999]

True.

[@JonathanHooper-vg1ol]

No at least 70 years

[@michaelnedsmar9106]

No, not all , looking at the stats, how many Indian Sikhs, Hindus or Chinese get involved with knife crime or are single parent family's?

[@billmartins5545]

Grew up on a low income, but was never bored at home. Playing music, listening to music, doing homework, doing art, reading, watching TV, sometimes going into the city centre during the day. Got my first job at age 14. No excuse to loiter outside let alone commit crimes.

[@lizstubbs2969]

Simple answer yes they should and it also baffles me how the judges and barristers don't wear their cloaks and wigs so as "not to intimidate them as they are children" , their unfortunate victim wasn't spared those feelings so why are they

[@josimpson7999]

Machete carrying 12 year olds intimidated by cloaks and wigs……..😂🤣😂. Oh please!

[@lizstubbs2969]

@@josimpson7999 exactly 👍

[@suzimonkey345]

They don’t want the convictions appealed to higher courts for human rights violations. If you want the legal system to change that protest & vote for change! 😊

[@cathyg7767]

Born evil do evil

[@stanbily9416]

They weren’t born evil.

[@Susan.1958]

They should be locked up for entire life so so sad

[@RTG1031]

We are in a culture where we don't accept responsibilities for our own actions. No youth centres, the tories, video games, always someone else to blame

[@lindaWalters-n1i]

Everything is blamed on the lack of entertainment, when it’s lack of discipline both in the home and the school, children cannot be upset 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@Tosca767]

I was never allowed to run around the streets after dark and I didn’t let my son do that either…only irresponsible parents allow that!

[@bluepeter128]

Name and shame

[@elizabethtobin6894]

Blame everyone else. It’s the parents. My children had no community centre, and they didn’t roam the streets. I didn’t go to a community centre, and I didn’t roam the streets.

[@jujutrini8412]

If my 12 year old was out at 1 in the morning I would be ringing the police in floods of tears frantic with worry! These parents need to be arrested for neglect. 😱

[@Pakiza-Ali]

Sure, why not blame youth centres and everything under the clouds but the parents !

[@daviddelara7158]

Can we stop blaming video games for people doing atrocities like this? I don’t think people realise how many people play video games and they aren’t violent people so we need to get it in perspective on what the real issues are here video games are not to blame

[@urbangoddessevolution]

It's a combination of factors including the government who only this year on 15th May, 272 MPs voted against the ban of zombie knives. Why would they vote against this? It makes no sense.

[@shendybean6114]

I look at my 12 year old nephew and there is no way he would be out and even think of anything like that.

[@deonnecharles1362]

Unfortunately this was waiting to happen. The parents in this case were paying no attention too their children. When children return from school nowadays, they need a responsible adult at home with them , ensuring, they are being nurtured. These children have been adopted by Street People, who are filling a void. These children have been crying out silently for their parents to listen too them pay attention to me, come off your phone talk too me understand me. They now have the 'attention' they have been craving. Unfortunately a innocent young man has had too pay the price for people who could not find the time to parent their children.

[@lindagallagher3711]

Its so sad poor boy the parents must be devastated! Name and shame them! Children grow up so fast and some parents dont give them boundries now they run wild they just want to be their best friends they are making a rod for their own back !

[@Ladybird22373]

Not the youth club excuse 🙄🙄🙄. You think these kids would be normal kids if they had a youth club to go to ? No it’s mentally bad parenting & no boundaries! .

[@HelenMackie-x9j]

Don’t agree with the statements only Linda speaks sense.

[@laurasands8322]

I'm guessing they'll be out of prison in about ten years anyway and get on with their lives , get everything handed to them as well.

[@1949Matilda]

It is not the state's responsibility to look after people's children. What has the world come to?

[@simontemplar9772]

I feel there's more to this than has been disclosed.

[@Teddybeardb85]

Really Einstein ?

[@simontemplar9772]

@Teddybeardb85 no no my names Simon not Einstein

[@patferrett170]

We had community centres in our area, but the youngsters hardly showed up and then did damage if they did. Parenting needs addressing in a lot of cases. I know you can not keep your eyes on them all the time, but this was late on a school night!

[@angelaroberts-kj1pj]

Yes absolutely

[@philippahall2510]

Yes they should be named. They did the crime, and the actions afterwards as well, at one in the morning holding the machete. I didn’t go to Youth Club, my Mum was a single working professional Mum and my brothers and I all grew up well thank goodness.

[@vecraddock]

Yes they should be named.....

[@jeromeisaacs4428]

They need to bring in a Child Curfew act no Child outside by themselves past a certain time

[@pontoon4567]

Stop blaming games

[@asavlogsalltruthrevealed7483]

James bulgar killers were white,These 2 were white so why aren't no comments regarding that,If was other way round the racist comments

[@maureenjohnson6212]

They were born evil..

[@fallingmusic]

Yes they should. The argument about children being children and too young is a very archaic argument. Children are not as naive and innocent as we all think. They are far more advanced than ever before. They know how to operate technology and order dangerous items. They are able to access material that is not appropriate but it happens.

[@sbalmer132]

Those violent children wouldn’t have gone to youth clubs even if they had been available ,but I do agree that the constant diet of violence is one of the problems.

[@heytigers3104]

Good point by Janet. They could gain notoriety by being named and they possibly want that sort of infamy.

[@thomasjones8072]

Lazy parents...simple as that

[@geraldineosullivan3069]

Parents should be held accountable

[@dawngray2828]

What we need is tougher penalties on parents , if they were made to serve half their sentence they would think twice about letting them out on a night!

[@jamesspeytebroodt7237]

friend of riend supplying the machette? well what sorta mate is that then?????

[@PaulineParks]

Alot of Parents havent a clue as to where their children are ,let alone what they are doing ,

[@susiemitchell8555]

Yes be shamed

[@gillianmilne8364]

While I appreciate Janet's commentary regarding after school programs being unavailable, etc...These children exhibited sociopathic behavior, and this behavior is developed over an extended period of time. Recently in the U.S. two parents were sent to prison due to their son commiting a horrible crime against society with their firearm. Where were the so called "parents" in this situation, and why aren't they being held accountable for their children's antisocial behavior? Too many adults are not involved in raising their children with proper values, and these individual's have no business in bringing children into our world.

[@lesleycrowther-scott1809]

Yes this is what happens when children are not taught consequences.A little bit of punishment has never harmed the perpetrator

[@anandmorris]

Its a particular culture from particular people we have allowed to thrive in this country.

[@jacquelineithell307]

Spot on we as kids , made are own enjoyment , mostly games of football or rounders , we did not go out armed up , times have changed , so punished should

[@anandmorris]

@@jacquelineithell307 even when we were a bit older and managed to get our hands on alcohol, we were having fun, listening to music (not the hip hop drill murderous sh*te) and not going around as gangs or killing anyone.

[@joanramrattan643]

At the end of the say parents should be held responsible. People make too much excuses for disobedience.

[@mynameispaige]

Video games don’t make people violent, some people are just evil from within.

[@MeMyselfandI-kc4bi]

Deportation is the answer and no sugar coating this is the answer not a community centre lol . Dodging the real narrative here is scary .

[@michaelnedsmar9106]

But... he and and maybe parents were born here, then what?

[@Artemis-re6yj]

Bad parenting is to blame.

[@danielhughes7359]

I dont see how anyone can see this as a shock. Where i luve you have 12 year olds running the streets acting like they own the place. They go around robbing people, carrying weapons, face covered up. But the police never pull them over because of obvious reasons. But i look at the parent's (if you can call them that) and you can see why they are the way they are.

[@kieranjaymansfield]

Kids are feral and dragged up these days. Not even surprised!

[@patj2205]

ABSOLUTELY.

[@maryduffy2036]

Feral youth, because of delinquent parents, that's the bottom line, stop blaming everything else. Parents are responsible for their OFFSPRING

[@justinerukwira2059]

As parents we need to be present and have conversations with our children. Be vigilant we are all responsible society, the police teachers. It takes a comunity, a village to bring up a child!

[@TheConduit10]

The British public aren't going to vote for somebody who doesn't Drink , doesn't smoke , doesn't womanise and doesn't eat meat , what that does that tell you about the British public , The bar is low and is getting lower.

[@lindanoble7047]

Poor parenting. End of

[@crafte164]

The problem now is a lack of support for parents for children of that age. What do we do if they sneak out, or just say 'im going' ? Also them not being allowed to work at a younger age in part time or weekend jobs. Of course they're bored. The laws need to be looked at fast

[@SimonSmith-yd6tt]

Also lack of resources locally like clubs and recreation as Brenda said

[@kyliepechler]

Both boys were 12 yrs old, it's illegal for a 12 yr old be working in paid employment. At that age they should be participating is some sports/hobby activities on the weekend. Greater parent involvement is needed.

[@452samuel]

Youth centres in this time will only breed more challenges. I think social media, parenting and society has a lot to do with it all. Poor representation and adults behaving like children also have a lot to do with it all. Kids are lost with no parenting and pathetic adults with no idea about the real challenges kids are facing.

[@lynncw9202]

Yes they should be named.

[@1vincenttaliercio123]

Stop blaming video games , if it’s a 12 year old playing call of duty and gta it is down to the parents to actually parent there children

[@garycollinson-4976]

Yes they should be named and shamed like the 2 who killed James Bulger they should of being named

[@AgnesFay-k5c]

If they are named its likely Dad is nowhere to be seen

[@dianetaylor8278]

THE ONLY PEOPLE TO BLAME IS THE PARENTS

[@AgnesFay-k5c]

These women havent a clue

[@Carla-fd9nc]

Temu always sell that kind of stuff So easy to order

[@freddiemeyer4563]

nah its probs cos theyre from a single mother no dad at all being dragged up on benefits, where the mother hasnt got a man so treats the son like " her freind" instead of a stern parent just because shes lonely...funny how u never hear of middle class kids from married loving parents that work murdering people

[@OldWolflad]

Its my local area Wolverhampton, one lives with his nan, who knows where the parents are? Very sad.

[@rachnapatel203]

Carer should still take some responsibility, in from Wolverhampton and live very close to where this happened! Name and shame them all!

[@leodoherty5304]

Papa was a rollin stone!

[@loriblue1000]

Ludicrous! For Christ sake, when I grew up we had 2 youth clubs within a 3 mile area. No one machetted, knifed or killed anyone. Funny that 🤔

[@Vicki_lewis]

Community centre/ youth centre Absolutely silly I am 38 I never went them But i knew how behaviour respect one another So absolutely ridiculous saying this

[@Sav0age06]

Theyr really still blaming video games ? Have you heard the lyrics on uk rap thats played on the radio utter madness

[@kyleclark6158]

In some cases I wouldn’t agree with the “let’s blame the parents” excuse because a lot of children are feral on the streets & angels at home. As an avid gamer I can say that games are not to blame, in almost 30 years I’ve never felt the need to repeat or copy anything g I’ve seen. A lot of gamers use it as an escape from real life so to Janet & anyone else who thinks that will still watch movies representing the same things, so by that reasoning they should be banned then eh? The blame game can go on & on, lock them up & throw away the key but then again because they’re kids they will get let off, drug users get more time

[@Billybutlin46]

They make the choice to break the law and pretend to be a gangster....they know the consequences, so in my eyes, they are old enough to be named!

[@Sara-ze5do]

Shud be named and so the public is aware

[@Esther-f6y2e]

Name them and where they came from,RIP shawn

[@terrybucknall7158]

You don't know what you are talking about ,it's not the fault of closed youth clubs it's always somebody else is foult

[@ireneferrante2313]

It's up to parents to teach their children right from wrong! Where the he'll where the parents of those boys. They are just as responsible for this tragedy.

[@jeunevoyageur]

Some kids are just born brats unfortunately. Parenting, upbringing also has an effect and lack of community centre's. Not every child is a brat despite them being raised wrong i guess also its nationalities different cultures.

[@bonniewhite8093]

I think because they are still children that they should have the offer of being shown the right way (going to a rehabilitation centre) before developing into adulthood as they havent fully matured yet and then if they are still the same then yeah lock up, throw away the key and of course name and shame.

[@bonniewhite8093]

They're still babies really especially coming from a poor background, still have so much maturing and developing to do, at that age with the right guidance and environment I think they can really be transformed but who knows that is just my perspective on things.

[@michaelnedsmar9106]

Looking not at absolutes but tendencies , those who carry and use machetes or nasty knifes are young men or teenagers with a black skin.

[@davidthwaites3815]

Oh yes