Lost Version of SUPER MARIO BROS 3...Found Over 30 Years Later!

[@lifesoordinary]

John Carmack is a coding legend. Regardless of the hardware limitations, he will find a way to optimize to get the job done

[@MrMusicGuy1980]

I don't think enough of the new generation appreciate the amount of awesomeness that was Jon Carmack

[@TuxraGamer]

I'm just 22 and yes, I do! I'm actively trying to get into low-level programming too :).

[@bjornna7767]

"Ye, nice" *is copying assets and tells friends he's programming games.

[@danman6669]

That's because his name is John, not Jon.

[@MrMusicGuy1980]

@@danman6669 that's for your condescending correction.

[@jasonjones7461]

Exactly. I'm happy for the future of games....but with end of 3ds the era of developers doing amazing so called impossible feats on limited hardware is all but gone. The final example, and final game on 3ds released March 9th eShop. A two in one game. A battle RPG and...an excellent open world crafting and structure building survival horror game that ISNT Minecraft format. It's unbelievable that an indie dev with no resources but shear will and the worst game engine ever "3ds unity" was able to accomplish Silver Falls Gaiden DDD/Ruby River. It's freaking amazing and it works on both 3ds types without any major glitches or issues. A final technical achievement of the era

[@DavidStarrUSA]

"a necessity for gracious living" I use this phrase for everything now. Lol. Love it. Love you. Love your content. Thanks for being a part of my 2022. And happy New Year 2023!! 💜💜💜💜

[@mohammedganai9636]

Doomguy should have been a main character in Smash Bros. Ultimate. Would have been a full circle moment.

[@smellthel]

I completely thought something like this was impossible. This team was incredible!

[@Mainyehc]

It’s interesting to see how the pyramid wall blocks from their SMB3 prototype survived on Commander Keen 1, with their peculiar shading and all. That leads me to think that they just kept the same engine and codebase, and built new sprites and levels on top of it. Nintendo must’ve been a much more lenient company back then, but you also have to commend their honesty in doing the right thing and asking for a license agreement.

[@damian9303]

I mean, of course. Nintendo wasn’t really competing against anybody since Atari killed the video game market

[@bigd5090]

@@damian9303 Yes, that was true regionally in the US! Nintendo had lots of competition from home computers in Europe so didn't bother competing! They released the NES late and have stayed largely irrelevant here ever since!

[@JeffreyPiatt]

Graphics theft was actually very common on Shareware titles in the early 90's especially if they were taken from games written on another pc platform. Duke Nukem 1 actually uses Nuclear barrel art stolen from Mega Man PC . Duke Nukem 2 has art stolen from a Amega game.

[@Atlas_Redux]

Pretty sure Masters of Doom explains that Commander Keen is exactly that. Been a while since I've read it, but somewhere my brain has absorbed the information.

[@kanedaku]

@@bigd5090 Er, and the Sega Master System!!! Alex Kidd in Miracle World = greatest game ever made! The yanks still don't know what they missed. Oh and KEEN1.EXE... loved it on Windows 3.1 I was a kid so couldn't buy any of the paid ones.

[@funstuffonthenet5573]

I thought I knew a lot about old obscure gaming history. But your videos often bring up things I have never heard of

[@curinderwin]

How do you so consistently put out high-quality, informed, well-produced, organized content on absolutely fascinating and obscure video game knowledge? Well done!

[@HistoryandReviews]

She has an editor that helps 😊

[@gspotcyplick]

Also research.

[@LadyDecade]

Team work makes the dream work x

[@travisesquibel3903]

Practice also

[@ThomasfromDenmark1]

Nobody knows - and nobody will ever know.

[@StrikerZero6]

Surviving off pizza and pop, sounds like a normal weekend for a bachelor

[@Atlas_Redux]

Have Masters of Doom with Romero's "Keep on doomin'" and autograph after I met him here in Norway ^^

[@wingedhand2525]

Not only am I impressed with the DOOM team but I'm also so glad to know they love Super Mario Bros 3.

[@fsdfgasgfisd]

I'm confident in saying that instead of Fizzy Drinks, Romero was just snorting cocaine 😂.

[@joeschmoe4698]

F Nintendo and their stubborn policies. This classic could've changed history where Nintendo and PC could've had a solid relationship. I wanted to live in that future...

[@axebomber2108]

I'm not sure if Nintendo's consoles would have sold so well if you could just buy the PC version of their games. That's the whole point of having exclusives, incentive to buy the console. And it's not like Nintendo's the only company to keep their first party games exclusive to their consoles.

[@dsh20091]

I remember playing Commander Keen around the time it was released. Like anything new to a kid, it was the greatest thing ever, and the possibilities for what happens next are endless. It sounds like that's what it felt like making for them.

[@jeiku5041]

Since I've started watching a few months ago, I've learned stuff on topics that I thought I knew pretty much everything about such as Sonic or PS1 trivia. The videos are also very well put together and are enjoyable to watch. You definitely get my seal of approval!

[@Slightly_Sadistic]

This is one of your best videos and I've seen them all. Keep putting out quality of this calibre. My whole world stops to watch this.

[@jimmerseiber]

I just downloaded this game. (The dangerous dave version) Awesome to have a piece of history.

[@MistahJ100]

where do you download it?

[@B5152g]

I wish someone would put this on Archive

[@atdynax]

So every FPS today wouldn't exist if Super mario Bros 3 wouldn't exist.

[@intel386DX]

ID software did not want to release this demo 😞

[@ravensmadhouse75]

Milady, my mind is officially blown. I am going to have to get that book and read it. Well done as always, never knew about this.

[@exactspace]

I barely have ever been able to finish reading a book, but this one had me hooked.

[@doc_sav]

You're in for a treat my friend.

[@greenkoopa]

Someone called me Welsh, so I called them Terminator: Genysis

[@johntrevy1]

Probably a blessing that Nintendo wasn't interested as I think they would have held ID back as a dev.

[@ScooterinAB]

I doubt it. They didn't seem like the types to care what their employer thought. If anything, it might have lead to greater developments, since they would have have more resources at their disposal.

[@williamsmith9026]

I've said it before but, will again.. I haven't played any of these games except donkey Kong in the arcades and such.. that said your videos are cool and informative. I watch them when they're in my feed when I have a little time to kill. Glad Jeremy linked to you when the little crisis went down.. I love these little history lessons

[@BrianRosenbergMusican]

I remember when this happened it was on the local news where I lived. Buffalo is about 45 - 50 minutes by car to Rochester. The Strong Museum of play is a really interesting place. I thought it was super cool this happened so close to home

[@bghoody5665]

I used to play the crap out of Commander Keen Goodbye Galaxy when it came out having no idea side scrolling of that sort was a real problem for PC games. Great video, Milady!

[@JeffreyPiatt]

Episodes 1-5 are up on Steam.

[@kanedaku]

Invasion of the Vorticons was my Keen game, but thats because it was the only shareware title. Mind I didn't like the updated graphics on the later games.

[@snoozy04]

Super Mario bros 3 is a necessity for glorious living.

[@davidbrinkman7867]

1000%

[@kanedaku]

Glory to Alex Kidd!

[@supermariof0521]

To think there was a time where Nintendo didn't respond to fan work with a cease and desist.

[@OMA2k]

They didn't respond with a C&D just because they didn't actually release the game. If they had, there's no doubt Nintendo would have sent them a C&D and whatnot.

[@stevetb7777]

Wow!!!! As a fan of SM3, CK, and Doom... I had no idea!!!!!!

[@DookNookim]

You can find an image of the floppy by searching for "hey neat! i had found this disk around the id office many years ago, i was wondering how many of these might still be out there! :)"

[@jasongreenwood3260]

That was a compelling story!! The last I seen of Romero was in 1999 (PC Accelerator Magazine) when he was still with Stevie Case. Thank you Lady D!

[@joesshows6793]

Never understood how PCs were less powerful than an NES.

[@catsaregovernmentspies]

Computers sucked in the 80s. Video game consoles were faster back then.

[@projectgoatse]

Computers did not suck back then. They were flexible and jacks of all trades. It’s just that the NES had graphics hardware that was specifically designed to render all of the elements required for side scrolling platformers. This is why like 80% of the NES library were platformers. By 1992, PC hardware was an order of magnitude more performant than console hardware and side scrolling on PC was no longer impressive.

[@magnusharrison2715]

Please keep up with the high quality videos, you have really made me discover some things I thought I already knew

[@Atlas_Redux]

Should read Masters of Doom. It's a great book about the guys from original id Software. Have a signed copy from Romero, it's my presciooooooous.

[@SideshowDooM]

Just another reason why Carmack and Romero are GODS among men

[@orochiokada]

I remember hearing about this years ago. Definitely neat that it's surfaced.

[@cujoedaman]

Nintendo then: This looks great, though we want to keep it 'in house'. Thank you. Nintendo today: You talked about a game on KZbin. We're suing the shit out of you.

[@turdpeterson73]

i r remember watching this on netflix series called High score, one of the epsoids goes into detail about the side scrolling mario hack that john romero did

[@kylekostamo1880]

Commander keen rocks. I still have most of the original floppy disks of them laying around. Still lpve those games.

[@scriptles]

I think you made an error.. Did you say that the Johns met in 1999? But doom came out 93, wolf 3d came out before that and even quake 3 was out by 1999..

[@Leeki85]

ID Software was first to publish 2D game using smooth scrolling, but they simply used hardware features EGA cards had. These cards allowed to move framebuffer within video RAM, allowing to only update edges of frame. ID Software usually did something new in the 90's, but others improved on this, while ID was already working on something else. For example Duke Nukem 1, 2 and Jazz Jackrabbit added new features in fast 2D graphics on PC, while Duke Nukem 3D brought 2.5D engines to a new level, removing most of the DOOM limitations.

[@dwayneellis2003]

You always have the coolest stuff and your videos are the best! Keep up the great work, and we look forward to many more years of awesome content 😁

[@chitlitlah]

I've managed to program smooth scrolling myself on my recently-acquired Atari 800XL computer based on a design from 1979, but it wasn't achieved on the x86 architecture until Commander Keen in the early 90s? That's kind of surprising.

[@MartynStanleyAuthor]

Commander Keen! I wondered if this was going to link into Great Giana Sisters. You should cover that some time, it'd be interesting to hear about it's inception and how they weren't sued by Nintendo

[@axebomber2108]

Probably because Commander Keen is different enough that it was seen as just another platformer rather than Super Mario Bros. with a few details changed around. Great Giana Sisters flaunted the similarities with the name, the first few stages, and even the tagline: The brothers are history!

[@stopmotionfrance4938]

Great video. Great channel!

[@dankachilles9356]

Great video sweetheart! Wonderful as always and came away learning something new so thank you ❤️

[@Tweaker420666]

Amiga had smooth scrolling, the PC was so far behind until commodore died

[@manoftherainshorts9075]

Nintendo had very typical reaction for that demo. As we'll see years and years after that, Nintendo would rather give all their company's funds to a first hobo they see on a street than develop a game on a PC. They avoid this platform like a plague.

[@lionocyborg6030]

And then they wonder why we pirate and emulate all their stuff, especially if we want mods to make the non Japanese versions of their games suck less.

[@MrDarchangelomni]

I love the beginning of this video, a, very sixy looking, five is frozen in what appears to be dragon eyed stupor until I push play. Once pushed, the 6ee5 opens her dialogue with "Super Mare-ee-Oh, BRUBBERS THREE...". Warm fuzzies are felt again a few moment later when 6ee5 says "Bruh-verse"...

[@shannonmanley9217]

Ty for another awesome video. plz keep making these video's, I really enjoy them. take care & God Bless.

[@Gaming-Enthusiast]

Such a massive inspiration to us smaller creators 👍👍

[@archive6094]

Fun Fact: Super Mario Bros 3 was originally designed with a birds eye view in mind, simillar to The Legend of Zelda

[@kanedaku]

Source?

[@pierrelewis6819]

Everything about your contact of videos, reminds me of, the gaming historian, you guys are very similar to each other.

[@Tricob1974]

Dang. Just ... dang! While 3.5-inch disks are sturdy enough to last for decades, the disk drives for them - both for the IBM PC and Commodore machines - they tend to get misaligned, so if you try to read the disk on any other machine, parts of the disk won't even read. It's quite a blessing that such a thing didn't happen with this piece of media. Quite interesting seeing this PC port in action. It makes me wonder if Commander Keen uses actual geometry in its jumping mechanics. I pretty much fake my way through such things - subtract by three pixels, then two, then one - thus simulating a slow-down-to-a-stop design. This method can create not only circular-like movement, but it can also be used to design circular textures from scratch. I've used it to create images for logs and gray stone columns. I was working on a Widescreen pic that had such textures, and then work at my real job kind of took over.

[@romerotronic]

Kind of reminds me of the story behind SMBX, after a Cease and Desist the devs would go on to make Terraria

[@bigd5090]

A great find! Nintendo never played well with others. Except maybe Rare!

[@Liferapdj]

3:07 Love the music in background of your presentation. What is

[@troyBORG]

I never knew about the Commander Keen relation with doom. I guess that explains that secret easter egg world in I think doom2 that had the hanging keen models.

[@brichan1851]

I remember being so excited about this part of the book MASTERS OF DOOM. It really showed how brilliant these guys (who would go on to form id Software) truly were. You, as always, continue to impress with your wonderful videos that cover gaming history. My hat is off to you and your wonderful husband. Thank you for another brilliant video.

[@greenkoopa]

I'll tell you what, I was an early patron and though they have similar styles (they've been married for ages), Top and LD use the same editor and help with scripting each other, but they're each the master of their domain.

[@LadyDecade]

Thank you Bri and Koop xx

[@Dr0pDe4DDanny]

This is crazy exciting

[@_The_Worst_]

Such fascinating history...🤘🏼💯✔️

[@nightstryke]

I'd argue that id software's first big hit was Wolfenstein 3D over Doom, Doom just gets more exposure, always has.

[@mikesilva3868]

Interesting info loved doom PC game and super Mario bros 3 nes game from my childhood 🎟

[@kpf2087]

Very good. Keep this up.

[@LadyDecade]

Thank you, I will xx

[@aldogutierrez6637]

Thanks for the upload cool cat 😎

[@sperrin]

I have a copy of the Joshua Marks Papers from The Strong National Museum of Play that details this (and a load of unreleased titles and more). Plus a load of photos and stuff.

[@GamersUplink]

I'm starting to wonder which game console or game is NOT a necessity for gracious living? :) (Love your content as always!)

[@XCygnusX]

lol ok simp

[@catsaregovernmentspies]

Ask The Angry Video Game Nerd.

[@alvinromo]

0:50 held the record until 2013. What game was that that beat the record.

[@Monado6]

I remember Commnander Keen. The first game I played came with my gravis joystick

[@jasonwoods3168]

It feels good to have my state repped n in this video as a part of gaming history

[@aloisiosenra]

Your voice and accent are soooo pleasant! It's like a giant cherry on top of a titanic cake.

[@netsendjoe]

I think it was a missed opportunity by Nintendo to get into the PC gaming platform. It can also be seen by their distain of emulation on the PC. Sure they have the Virtual Console thing. But if they could have struck a deal and shared their code, the PC version would have been just as good as the NES. Not to mention it would have created a business and channel for porting more NES games to PC and then from SNES. Nintendo has always held too tightly on their intellectual properties. As long as copyrights were respected and people were willing to pay a reasonable retail value for the games, it could have been an interesting and game changing time for the company. Nintendo could have stuck with it and still made sales without everyone having to have a console. In the gaming industry. they doesn't really make money on consoles and accessories in the first place, it's always been about making money from the games.

[@shitpostnetwork404]

It's a me, Mario for the PC! Wahoo

[@RyanPoehls]

I used to play that game for so long, the flashing at the end of the level I would have to look away from due to giving me a headache. 😂

[@NoName-rl3fh]

You have great content and a quality channel. No idea why it doesn't have more views. It should have 10x as many if not much more. Maybe consider cross-posting to Rumble? They could use content like yours and it can be done automatically.

[@singletona082]

It's hard to put into perspective just how mind blowing smooth scrolling was on Ye Olden IBM at the time. Of course leave it to the secret holder of the seventh infinity stone, wielder of forbidden lovecraftian knowledge handed to him by Yogso'thoth, and the only good thing t ocome out of DC's Dark Multiverse John Carmack to figure it out.

[@Sharkwedge]

I could SWEAR i played Mario 3 from a floppy once Controls where horrid and graphic glitches also present

[@linc_inc]

John Carmack is a legend

[@HelloMrDino]

I LIVE IN ROCHESTER.......next time i go to strong museum ill see if they have it and confirm it....been there so many times and when i was little that place was awesome...they have a whole room/floor full of classic gaming stuff like pong and other stuff and your allowed to play them ...ill see if theyd let me play it and if so ill document and get more video for it............

[@mstcrow5429]

Surprised Nintendo didn't immediately buy out id Software.

[@SirRandallDoesStuff]

Love your channel but the title is clickbait. This isn't a lost version. DMA(Rockstar now) wanted to make a version of the game. It wasn't even ported. I know you talked about this but still. Please don't do clickbait video titles.

[@SeanDobes]

PCs slow??? PCs were amazingly fast and consoles were breathtakingly slow when it came to the CPU. The reason some 8bit 1 to 2 mhz device like the NES could make all those graphics is because of the specialized video hardware. By today's standards we would call them a GPU (just a 2d and not 3d one), other 80s PCs like the commodore had similar hardware that handled things like sprites and blitting to the screen. The IBM PC CGA, EGA and VGA cards, however, were not created for games. They were created for business applications and generically displaying stuff on the screen like text and graphs. One of the reasons we got games like DOOM back in the day was because of how fast PC CPUs were, able to take on tasks without 2d and 3d acceleration, completely relying on the speed of the CPU to do all the fancy math. Carmack's hacking of the EGA/VGA hardware standards to implement scrolling and fast full screen updating they were not intended for is of course genius, but calling PCs of the time slow compared to a Nintendo is a bit absurd. PCs simply didn't yet have accelerated gaming cards yet. Once Carmack opened the door on the PC video adapter we all experienced the raw power of the x86 platform, as consoles years later still required special hardware to do what PCs were doing in pure software.

[@lap456]

Since this was before the Microsoft Vs Netscape war drove up PC sells; I can see why Nintendo was unsure.

[@barryklinedinst6233]

I would love a new 2d mario. Am I crazy?

[@julesgamergourmand]

Even still in 2022 this game remains good.

[@danman6669]

Nintendo games pretty much always remain good. That's why they are so great. When games from the 1980s are still just as fun now as they were back then, that's the mark of a great game designer.

[@ShadowPlushGaming]

Living is a necessity for gracious living.

[@ddeleckijr]

This was a pack in game for late model NES systems, so the record is invalid...

[@johnbillings5260]

I would think double buffering would take care of the scrolling problem (depending on CPU power of course).

[@edgardeitz5746]

From where can I download a copy of this?

[@songoku9348]

I still prefer SMW. Then again I’m biased, it was my first Mario game.

[@quarters_cp3754]

Mario 3 is absolutely the best mario game ever made

[@lionocyborg6030]

No, that’s both Mario Sunshine and A Hat in Time.

[@danman6669]

@@lionocyborg6030 A Hat in Time? That isn't a Mario game. I assume you got mixed up and are thinking of a different game, but wrote the wrong title.

[@lionocyborg6030]

@@danman6669 No, I mean A Hat in Time. It's not an actual Mario game but it's specifically inspired by Mario Sunshine with some Galaxy and Paper Mario references, and it's way better than all the Mario games combined.

[@PJ-km6xj]

If they partnered with Nintendo we may not have got games like Doom or Quake and John Romero would certainly not have made us his bitch! 🤣🤣🤣

[@RWL2012]

nice, I saw this game on High Score I think it was.

[@johnsmizz7930]

I found Mario 2 just before I found Doom Mario 3 came out after

[@johnsmizz7930]

Doom

[@Littlefighter1911]

Rewriting Mario Bros. 3 in the shitty "toolchains" available at that time seems like an impossible task.

[@jacobbaranowski]

6:40

[@UlisesBarboza]

vi el final por que me gusto la cancion , y tmb el que el usaban floppy disk to run the game

[@slamshift6927]

Everyone already knew about this game, how was this """Lost"""?

[@SetoKaiba342]

Romero and and Carmack were hot in the 90s lol yum

[@brendens5961]

One if the things that make me proud to be a Texan.

[@futuramayeah]

M'Lady, i got the nes classic when it came out and it has an hdmi output , i looked online to buy an hdmi female to usb male , to plug into my imac computer, do you think it will work, i saw comments on reddit that it won't work if i plug it in. can you tell me anything before i buy that part and try it to see if it works?

[@LadyDecade]

Don't worry, they're both here x