Lost Wheel Lock Key! 2016 BMW X3

[@RainmanRaysRepairs]

Follow Up Thoughts.... The EASY WAY? BMW Lug/Stud Extraction kzbin.info/www/bejne/hnq0mK2PZpZ1oLM

[@cdnron75]

Ah yes, a long winded explanation trying to rationalize your decision. Even if the Amazon BMW/Mini set is the wrong set, which I can almost guarantee isn't, you can still easily send it back to Amazon as "not compatible" and get your money back. And the reasons for not having Prime at the shop are pretty lame. You'd save yourself a bunch of time and money if you got stuff like this off of Amazon. I'm just a backyard mechanic and I buy the proper tools for the job. There's no excuse for a business to not have the proper tools for the job. Also, looking up Amazon warehouse locations, there are a ton of them in your area, with a 320k sq. ft. one being only about 15 minutes away from your shop and a roughly 1mil sq. ft. one about an hour away (as well as others around an hour away). You'd almost definitely get packages the same day.

[@rayhardy9963]

I agree with the person above I watch alot of your yt vlogs but this one is a bit of a bodge job,maybe you were booked up or customer couldn't wait however a much more professional way would have been to get the right tool for the job or asked the customer to get the tool before you started a job! Same with that exhaust on the fiat looked like you damaged the old exhaust on the bend aswell,I know the tube was tight however no reason to damage it.

[@michaelmason1932]

Is it possible to take a pic of this security nut and use a 3D printer to make the compatible tool to fit this. A 3d printer could make the exact dimensions with the high density material equivalent to carbon fiber.

[@scott.koopmann]

@@cdnron75 "Ah yes, a long winded explanation trying to rationalize your decision." He does that a lot. He claims that it takes too much time to do it right, but spends more time doing it wrong. If he is charging the customer for this, then he should either have the proper tools, or buy the proper tools. His customer is paying for a PROFESSIONAL repair, not a "HACK MY RIM" repair. OK Ray's minions....ATTACK!

[@cdnron75]

@@scott.koopmann Yep. Maybe that's why he couldn't hold a job at other repair shops? Overall I like his videos and he's a likeable guy, but there are many things I shake my head at that he could have done the right way and saved a lot of time. I think most people won't attack you for this one though. Most of the comments are criticizing his work.

[@545iAR]

Hello from Scotland If you shipped the car over to Glasgow and left it parked for 10 minutes, the locals would have removed all four wheels way quicker than you did 😅 Great videos, I learn so much from them. Thank you 👍🏻

[@restingsmirkface]

25:15 WOW what a nice explanation. Nice to see theory working in practice!

[@billquillin1952]

Ray, invest in 2 things! 1. Master security lug set 2. Cobalt Drill bits!!!

[@people744]

You should send them as a gift

[@jeffryblackmon4846]

Drilling out the center of the bolt head was a good choice. Good work, Ray. It may be time to sharpen your drill bits.

[@gangsterdiesel0093]

Good work man , your very calm working away 👍

[@jeffreycler495]

I would tell the customer to order a new key from the dealership and return the car back to them.

[@hillppari]

@@squiggyg.8415he damaged the wheel in doing so, proper mechanic should have a set of those keys

[@squiggyg.8415]

@@hillppari Horrifying little scratches inside the lug nut cavity horrifying On a wheel with curb scratches already

[@23thebull]

It is what it is..classic 😂

[@ianriggs]

Thank god they're lug bolts this is probably harder on lug nuts? Or am I wrong? Curious

[@fotogme11]

I agree. This should be the customer's problem unless the shop agrees to take on the job even after they discover the problem.

[@patrick103b]

Well done we used to get it all the time used to weld nuts to them and Al sorts

[@frankvansanford4426]

Ray, I used to work in the family tool & die co no pant. They always had squeeze bottles around with cutting oil in them. It was used liberally in situations like yours. I cringed when I watched you drilling pleading for you to add some oil. I was glad to see u doing so. Keep a bottle around for this work. Cutting B oil works the best.

[@shakerman55]

I work in a large machine shop. We make large molds and some of them have small vent holes that have to be drilled by hand. We found that nickel anti-seize works the best. Dip the drill in and have at it. He needs to slow his roll some and learn how to drill. Or better yet, just order a master kit online and stop working so hard.

[@wellseverett5128]

He is not much for using penetrating oil on anything at all for sure. Just brute forcing fasteners. Sure generous with the brake cleaner though. Good thing he's not in Canada, huh?! Maybe he can steer away from Sloppy Freight and get a set of wheel lock tools made for a man. And a set of carbide die grinder bits. I mean. I like the videos but sometimes he gives me the liqua-shitz. Derek does it with thought and class on VGG.

[@terrancenorris9992]

30 years ago I had the same problem. I drilled the lugnut as you did and then used an easyout bit to crank it out by hand power.

[@MasterX767]

YEaaa. RAY! Amazon has that exact lug nut key for about $9.00 through PRIME. Soooo I'm sure you could broker the item for the customer. Also, Amazon has a 16 piece tool set for about $50 that also could be a good purchase for future endevors.

[@aaronbritt2025]

@4:25... Did you already try the hammering on a 12 point? IMO, this is the perfect time to do a stud conversion. @21:10... All your bit are smoked because you're running the drill too fast. Slow it down and use more lube. @30:00... What about the washer motor?

[@fleece192]

Ray when you read the comments, I would like to hear your comments

[@PatricksDIY]

I had to do that On My Car, I drilled out the Pin, and Hammered on a Torx socket. (that was slightly larger) Was not fun. I agree if you have to do this work, you should be paid for it.

[@stans5270]

I was thinking that also. They have security torx sockets.

[@shadowopsairman1583]

It's standard protocol

[@rjkee5157]

Once the center pin is out of the way, wouldn't an easy-out work?

[@michaelporter3555]

That's exactly what I was thinking hammer in a torx or possibly a triple square.

[@Number6_]

That would be 2nd thing, drill or grind out that nob. 1st I would ring bmw for the key socket. I'm sure they have some.

[@scottslattery5590]

That was interesting! Ppl lose things and it causes more headaches than necessary

[@russianrick8403]

Usually those keys can be ordered online fairly cheep. It does require time, but I was able to order a lug nut key for my daughter's VW for less than $10.

[@Number6_]

Ray has turned manager and is keeping an eye on his employees. Getting to be a real shop and not just a one man band!

[@skatkat6885]

why won't you get 3 pull down air hose reels, and 3 electrical pull down receptacles one of each near each lift so you don't have to lift your carts all the time over hoses and extention cords. You Are Welcome! Al n Kat

[@drover338]

Bust out those Norseman drill bits Ray!

[@christopheranton3759]

I was always taught that drilling metal/steel = slow speed. High speed heats the bit up and dulls it quickly. My 2 cents. In the end, perseverance and tenacity win the day which you have in spades. Great work!

[@Thee-AmateurAn94]

Yeah if you have a press that’s putting a shit load of pressure, he’s drilling with a hand drill and his own leverage as pressure.

[@StrangerInAStrange]

That, and those rounded drill bits can be resharpened. Mechanic time-wise, maybe it's cheaper to buy a new bit than sharpen one?

[@ganjalfcreamcorn8438]

please dont comment if you dont know what your talking about. you drill metal at low speeds even with a regular drill.@@Thee-AmateurAn94

[@joskd8491]

About paying mechanics and bills for customers: in Holland customers pay per hour that is worked on their car. Dealerships have fixed prices though for fixed jobs, like oilchanges and other routine maintenance. But for other jobs you pay as a customer for the hours that are worked on your car. The mechanic gets paid by worked hours

[@tjrenegade9807]

Chisel the center in out then hammer in a hex key socket. Takes 5 minutes YMMV, your method works of course.

[@Lee-td3fi]

Better than I expected. In the rust belt, that could be much worse.

[@NeoAndersonReloaded]

You can buy them at the dealer. Bring in your registation. Mine broke b4 the inside key slot. $15

[@AnIdiotAboard_]

So mr ray sir. A free tip (how i got mine of my audi) Find a socket thats slighty to small to go over the OD of the nut, heat the socket to expand it and hammer it on, leave for a while to cool, over tighten the other nuts, and unscrew the locker. And for those of you about to say but the OD is smooth, the inside of a socket aint and has at least 5 edges to bite, and it will bit when put on with heat, i will admit it took me a while to find the right size socket for me, but was easy in the end

[@buckhorncortez]

1. Buy a new key at the BMW dealer. 2. Buy a Rocket Socket nut removal set of sockets.

[@darrensmart5886]

I find Hammond and old socket over the wheel nut takes him off a lot better

[@ppeterson9359]

Customers: Always check before you leave the tire store to be sure they returned your lug nut tool.

[@LA_Commander]

I always hand them the lug nuts key WITH the ignition key as a set when dropping off the car. Then I insist on getting both back at the same time when picking up the car.

[@ChrisD4335]

option b is ask the tire shop for a normal lug and never worry about it again

[@LA_Commander]

@@ChrisD4335 Great idea. As soon as I save up the 50 bucks to buy those I will do just that

[@ChrisD4335]

@@LA_Commander $50 for four normal tire lugs? if they are charging you that they seen ya coming. surely not every lug is a locking one usually there is only one per tire.

[@LA_Commander]

@@ChrisD4335 No, I was talking about a whole new set of 20 lug nuts (5 per tire)

[@elgordosabroso72]

You should've used the extractor socket for stripped bolts.

[@BoringJohnson]

A real workshop has a set of keys to the lock nuts. This is just embarrassing to watch.

[@Number6_]

I too wonder why he didn't just ring bmw and have them bring a replacement key. Now the owner has a bill for 2 hrs labour and needs 4 lugs and a key.

[@Number6_]

I did like the video though.

[@joecee6862]

If you tighten the other bolts, it will loosen the clamping force on the stuck/problem bolt just enough to help out. 👍

[@kjisnot]

I just got a new car delivered with these. Thanks for the reminder to remove them.

[@robertbyrne296]

You need some LEFT HAND drill bits. they cut in and apply preasure to loosen the remaining bolt.

[@mattbrown5511]

When I bought my '06 Wrangler, I immediately ordered a second (back up) security lug tool. I keep it one of my toolboxes for that "just in case" moment.

[@Goodsnout]

I can hardly wait for part 2 when you screw those lock bolts back on. Could you have used a smaller diameter drill and then tried using an easy out? I wonder if car parts stores loan out (or sell) wheel lock keys?

[@donbearden1953]

Hey Ray, Amazon has the key to fit those lug nut locks for $8.99 with next day delivery in most areas! They have an assorted set lug nut keys for less than $60.

[@railbaron9]

Ebay has a kit of different sizes 8 or 10 for $40. That way even the thieves can buy them and still steal your tires.

[@hillppari]

if you can get it so easily so can a thief. wheel locks are pretty useless anti theft devices.

[@johnquinn4680]

I was about to say the same thing lol

[@johnquinn4680]

​@hillppari they are absolutely garbage

[@georgeharvey5350]

Why he doesn’t look this up is crazy make to much of it lol

[@stanbrow]

Impressive

[@skyhawk7935]

Drilling hard steel. From a 45 year retired aerospace tech again. Slow speed with high pressure. I won't tell you again Ray. Your high speed drilling is why you keep burning up your bits.

[@CASHSEC]

Theres nothing worse that burning out your bits. 😂😂😂

[@MrBradleykeith]

And lots of cooling / cutting fluid

[@polishhotdog933]

Agree, the larger the bit the slower, heating the bit takes out the temper. All downhill from there.

[@stuglenn1112]

Those gold ones are 12 cents a piece at HD or Lowes dam near single use throw aways

[@dlcarburetor]

This. I'm surprised how many people don't know about proper drilling.

[@brianshopsky]

Ray you’re good getting lock lug off

[@Jordy-927]

BMW likes to keep those when you go in for service. My wife's car is missing one of the two she had because BMW didn't give it back...and they "definitely" didnt have it when we called them. 😂

[@cup_and_cone]

Checks out... Techs keeping them for their personal stash so the cars that come in without a key can be serviced.

[@eddymahon1503]

Typical 😡

[@onetone4561]

That happened to me the service manager said they don't use the customers socket. Anyway I bought a replacement from BMW and when I booked the next service and the technician asked me to make sure the lug nut socket on thr passenger seat I said no as the dealership doesn't use them

[@Jordy-927]

@@onetone4561 I just stopped going to BMW for service. My local mechanic is far better anyway.

[@basilbailey47]

Because that's not stealing at all...

[@Traxhub]

Ray look for "Bolt Nut Extractor Set" it's a lot cleaner and if they fit in hole where the nut/stud is it won't damage the wheel. Used those on my Audi years ago... no more "Keys". Thieves have all "Keys" anyway.

[@GardenBoat]

As an auto locksmith I got excited for a second

[@MrEdenhummel]

I see the green tire caps. The lug nut key is living at the Costco when they got new tires.

[@sc5015]

Never understood wheel locks. Almost 50 years on earth and never heard of a family, friend, or coworker complain wheels were stolen.

[@HAJRIZKINGZ]

Hey man love ur videos been watching a long time I work on all types of cars and trucks I own 5 bmws I remember snapping my wheel lock keys better trick is to hammer a socket on I think a 22 23 or 24 find one that barely fits and hammer it on nice and tight 98% of the time it comes out and just put it in a vice after with an air hammer to get ur socket back great work btw

[@RjKingie]

First pilot with a RH drill, then use a bigger LH drill to remove the head. Just before the head falls off, the entire bolt will be wound out by the LH drill when it grabs.

[@dj-bn1fj]

Get left twist drill bits please, save you a lot of time.

[@defresurrection]

I don't drive a fancy BMW, but I have a lock key on my outside mounted spare... nothin fancy, but all it takes is the ignition key. Low tech works for me.

[@GordonFrey]

Time for a left hand drill bit set

[@brianallen9810]

Ray, you need some L.H. drill bits.

[@tomharger2573]

When drilling you should run the drill much slower and press a little harder. Also always use lube (machinist cutting oil is best). That will make your bits last MUCH longer.

[@kingbertie]

Just a thought regarding the electrical tape. If you had some inch long pieces of plastic plumbing pipe, you could cut a wide enough slot in it, if required, so that it could be pushed into the hole around the nut/bolt to protect the paint/ alloy from scrapes.

[@selador11]

I think the biggest reason for rounded off bits is less a lack of lube, and more a case of spinning too fast, and not enough pressure. As for protecting the wheel... Next time look around for a piece of pipe that fits snugly into the recess in the wheel. Even if it bottoms out on the top of the lug nut, you can drill through that with a lot less fear of damaging the wheel. I have some thin chrome pipe that would probably have fit snugly. A couple sleeves made of that, would have been tons better than some electric tape. 😁

[@MikeNocosia]

Ray , if there's no views that means the power comes from the e c m like it does on a volkswagen. Disconnect the power from the battery reconnect the power reset 😊

[@rogerfleury3591]

382nd! Happy HUMPDAY Ray and the wife unit. And a happy HUMP to the new employees. Roger in Pie South Dakota.

[@thevacdude]

Always check to make sure you get your wheel lock key back.

[@jimsmith5148]

Use the correct size Torx on them, Ray

[@GeneralSulla]

A drill bit sharpener is in your future right Ray? Beats buying new ones.

[@michaelmartinez9602]

Master fucking mechanic !

[@payson1]

Invest in some left-handed drill bits

[@stevenakn1]

got to learn to sharpen those bits brother

[@KurreSkutt-x7v]

And now I will try that same on my -99 Volvo

[@rossconnelly6660]

Try chissel straight across nut and then.a impact drier and a few hits with a hammer works very nice

[@David-ik8wj]

i would remove the other studs first then pound the wheel with a dead blow. that might help break the bond and make the stud easier to extract.

[@FLYBOY-eh5th]

Shock therapy for the lug bolts.

[@Jimmyky77]

Ray Sir, invest in a "Master Security Lug nut Kit" my Friend!🧐

[@kevinhawley962]

invest in 24spline sockets audi vw bmw use them lots of euro car use them

[@bam6972]

take it to bmw most dealers have a master kit.... easy peasy lemon squeezy

[@mackincali]

Here is a little trick that has worked for me at least 25 times now. I get a torque wrench and add pounds to the other 4 lug nuts increments usually by about 10-15 pounds extra the wheel lock with the chisel is good to go super easy but I use the air chisel a little differently. I use a skinny sharp one to cut a legit slot then put a a flathead on I’m Milwaukee impact and comes out like butter every time. Never gets into the rim wall ever. Takes about 5 minutes. My thinking when I came up with this is take the pressure off the wheel lock gently and evenly. The most time consuming part I tend to find is figuring out what the idiot that last messed with the lugs torqued or impacted the hell out of the lug nuts.

[@ChrisD4335]

revirse drills are good for stuff like this, you can get lucky and get it out while just trying to drill it

[@JohnWick-hx7bc]

You should knocked out centre pin then used a flat head on 1-2 ratchet that fits in the diameter of the teeth would’ve been perfect.

[@johndenchuk5553]

There is a revsering socket that you can hammer on to the wheel stud and use a johnson bar to remove the locking nut or stud on the wheel , you don't have to go though all that work that you did on that car !

[@month32]

You could also go and ask the Lockpicking Lawyer if he can propose something for these.

[@charliedc2A]

Might be able to tap on a old 12 point socket that's tight and turn it off. Always worked for me 👍

[@f.k.burnham8491]

In drilling out a bolt/lug bolt, I go with the "righty tighty, lefty loosey" principal and use LEFT handed drill bits. I have found more often than not as I get deeper into the bolt/broken stud it will start to come out at some point. ( Doesn't work well on exhaust bolts though). I have had the bolt come out on the bit. Also using a hammer drill seems to loosen the bolt a bit easier, as the vibrations do help.

[@James_Hough]

I've cared enough about a set of wheels to put myself through this.

[@johnysmart8545]

drill the pin flat then hammer a old torx socket or hex socket in.

[@TheBry_Guy]

after cutting a notch into the east and west side of the lug, wouldn't a really wide standard screwdriver like a tire iron be able to turn that? either way, great job Ray. the naysayers about calling the dealer may be correct, but that's the customer's issue. I have locking nuts on my truck as well and I have forgotten to leave it with the shop. I got charged a half hour for wasting their time. But I've never forgotten since and that was 15 years ago.

[@MichaelTrivisonno-h3e]

I found that hammering a socket over it gets it right off

[@stevenpeck5949]

The key is available on Amazon for less than $10!

[@umedpatel8309]

Should have use a piece of garden rubber hose.

[@russwalker3119]

remove only the key lock bolt for the tire that has to be removed to do the pump replacement. the remaining 3 are not the responsibility of the shop, but the owner

[@billmccallum66]

Totally agree, why work on 4!! I would think drill and an "easy out" (left hand thread) would be quicker and cleaner.

[@ronniesand3594]

I drill and use a extractor bit

[@gazzthered5659]

Us in the UK (Scotland) knock out the centre pin and use a 1/2inch extension and a hammer then ratchet it out or use a gun

[@donaldyoast6532]

I've beaten on sockets on wheel locks before, and they turned right out.

[@rhetorical1488]

the security nut normally lives in the trunk. left side is a dedicated hole for it. cant fall out has to be manually removed.

[@mikemaki1104]

EASYOUT!!

[@johnnorris1896]

Try left hand drill bits next time

[@fluxfirax5.56]

There is a tool for taking a wheel lock off. It is a reverse thread. It bites counter clockwise. You have to hammer on and use an Ingersoll. You will get it

[@enzogatto8029]

a way of securing something to the wheel bolts not nuts is use a pipe of sutable size and use a stick welder down the pipe inner until the pipe is welded to the bolt. by using a pipe it should sheild the wheel from welding damage

[@derp527]

tightening the other 4 bolts on each wheel can make this method easier

[@anthonybuonagurio-gl9bg]

There are left-hand sockets to remove wheel locks.

[@stenhord6126]

Them brake discs look quite new for 4+ years without removing the wheels :')

[@bobbg9041]

Need to teach you how to freehand sharpen drill bits. Plus if they get that dull on mild steel you need to buy machinist drill bits from a machine shop supply company not the wood working bits you get at the big box store or harbor freight.

[@wallace3953]

Dear Ray. You did masterful work here. Now, for future consideration....after removing the pin in the center, try to use a hand chisel, with a hammer, maybe 24 oz. Strike the same surface you impacted with the chisel on the air hammer. Be patient. The key is to position the chisel at (starting reference angle of 90 degrees, against the plane of rotation) at 89-88 degrees. Strike repeatedly. Patience. Hard tap, hard tap, etc. Watch for movement. If you look at the first item, removed, you will note that the angle of (I guess, look) 85 degrees worked better that the sharper angle. The message of this whole MOST Annoying event, is that you are slowly destroying your arms and shoulders. You deserve to make a lot of money, to offset the body risks involved. How many customers could remove these fasteners???? Maybe 1 in 10,000?? The owner should have acquired the correct removal device, before asking you to do the virtually impossible. You really did Yeoman's Work here. Great effort.....You never give in!!!! Bravo!

[@jasonh4]

A BMW dealer should have a master set of wheel nut keys. They can then also order the correct key! Nice job removing them though 👍

[@dnixon8767]

No drill bits made of chineseium bubble gum. Bench grinder and patience to sharpen dull bits. Slow speed and high pressure to avoid burning the cutting edges.

[@davidrush8283]

left handed drill bits may have helped!!

[@toploadtele]

Whenever I'm told "we'll make it up on the next one", my answer is always the same... This is the next one!

[@NyksWyldMynd]

As a guy who is a service tech at a BMW/MINI delaership, I can't count how many times I've had to extract wheel locks due to other shops over torqueing them and then the lock keys shearing off. Thankfully, there is a specialty tool for we use for extraction without the key. Annoying job to say the least! You did great!

[@craigcraigster4999]

Would you happen to have a part number for that tool?