Lovett and Friends React to Fetterman Winning and Depp vs Heard | Lovett or Leave It Podcast

[@carolyntalbot947]

I cried when I heard what Jon said about misogyny, "perfect victims," and Amber Heard. Thank you so much, from an imperfect survivor of IPV. It means the world. ❤

[@kathryncainmadsen5850]

And JD is clearly a jerk and an addict. An imperfect victim of DV perpetrated by AH. That's what the evidence shows so far.

[@judyhgonzalez9715]

Jon’s reaction to GWB was so right on. I felt it. 75 is often, “recalling your worst choices with haunting clarity”

[@mightyone3737]

Not to defend him, but I still feel like he was more puppet than president, just like his precursor, reagan, but not to the degree that trump was. It's not a secret that trump's only input was to suggest ideas so stupid that they proved trump had no background knowledge on almost any topic, which did not stop him from offering his uneducated opinions, and he was more or less was senile by the end of his term. The republicans want relatively dumb but fairly charismatic leaders, not only are they more electable in ignorance-worshipping america, they also are really easy for their establishment to manipulate. None of the decisions in that party are made by elected officials at this point, but the establishment cannot keep the public in line if they did away with the

[@nope.2284]

This was posted to something on Reddit re the AH/JD trial and thank you! Such an amazing and intelligent take on this. It truly is like watching history repeat itself. It blows my mind that this is another woman who was being medically sedated and controlled by a rich and powerful man - on the back of the 'free Britney' movement and we as a collective society don't seem to possess the critical thinking necessary to see that this is the same misogynistic stuff it was just 'trending' to speak out against. So thank you. No such thing as the perfect victim at all.

[@sidehustletips]

Meanwhile the gettyimages of the depp fans speaks volumes. If amber was straight, fat/dumpy, and mother of his children there wouldn't have been hated directed. But because she's cool, lean, and bisexual she's easy pickings.

[@coffehbear3359]

1000 likes

[@desrocchi]

In which fantasy world do you live in where any of these things happened? Have you watched the trial? Have you watched how she is is the abuser and JD the victim? Talk about not being the "perfect victim", apparently JD can't be the victim because he made the grave error of being born male...

[@justsomedude77]

Why are you sexist assuming that a man cannot be a victim as a JURY not a judge has just found?

[@kgraff8922]

What are you TALKING about?? Clearly another “take” from someone who didn’t even watch the trial. This was indeed a victory for domestic abuse visibility. The fact that the victim was a man, not a woman, is not misogyny - it’s justice and PROGRESS. And I say that as a far left progressive myself, a survivor of domestic and narcissistic abuse, and a staunch feminist.

[@janicem4382]

I am older, much older and I see men wear these skirts and I love them! Thank you for your commentary, I love the humour and intelligence.

[@desireeespinosa3954]

Your comment makes me so happy 😁 I wish everyone would just let people be. Love everyone, especially the ones that are hardest to love

[@concernedcitizen9374]

@@desireeespinosa3954...such as trump?

[@concernedcitizen9374]

@@desireeespinosa3954 ...or putin? Just curious.

[@tammystockley-loughlin7680]

@@concernedcitizen9374 both could be loved if they didn't bully everyone around, just saying.

[@concernedcitizen9374]

@@tammystockley-loughlin7680 Bully? Their actions caused many deaths. It would have been better if it was just "bullying."

[@JDMimeTHEFIRST]

Thank you Jon for finally calling out people automatically assuming Heard is lying. It reminded me of Lorena Bobbit’s treatment. Don’t assume things until you know what actually happened. They basically go upon the fact Depp was in more movies. It is misogyny

[@omarholder9036]

I mean she lied about donating. She made really crazy claims about what happened in Australia but has no evidence of it happening. I mean if you were raped with a glass bottle to the point where you bled from your vagina, you would go to a fucking doctor. She literally got up there and said she didn't need a doctor after that Sometimes it's not misogyny. Sometimes someone is just lying and you can tell

[@dwj77]

Watch the court case and that will elevate anyones assumptions. Her lies far outweigh any truth.

[@DonnaV411]

"Automatically?" Lovett is the one who made automatic assumptions -- he admitted he has not been paying attention to any of trial -- so how can he know that Heard is any kind of a victim, imperfect or otherwise. How ignorant are you to suggest that Depp's supporters judge only by the number of movies he and Heard have been in, respectively? I have heard some absurd reasoning about this issue over the last weeks but THAT reasoning takes the cake! Heard, herself, is responsible for the treatment she is receiving. She is relentless in her lies. She just can't believe that she was wrong when she told Depp -- in a recorded conversation-- that no one would believe him if he told his story in court. Well, she found out people do believe him. After seeing Heard testify I believe that her issues go beyond a personality disorder; IMO she is mentally ill.

[@kathryncainmadsen5850]

JB Pretty sure you have not watched the actual testimony and recording in this trial, based on these comments and isn't that the point? Women certainly take the brunt of this kind of kneejerk reaction in society but I think there's plenty of evidence that AH is the physical abuser with mental illness in this case. You should watch the legit channels on KZbin. Not he sensationalist ones.

[@wickedtess9407]

Sorry, no. If you've watched the trial you've heard lie after lie she's told. I'm not saying anyone was a Saint in all this, but her story isn't fully adding up. As a survivor it diminishes those who have gone thru the trauma of DV and it enrages people bc she DID have that support until her lies started being brought to light. The fact that JD is rich and is able to fight back isn't misogyny, it's just lucky bc not everyone has that opportunity.

[@frankgallagher12]

Thank you for this. Rose McGowan may be a flawed individual but she said it best: the only “right” victim is a dead victim. People cannot accept that a woman fought back, that she yelled at him and insulted him, fed up with the abuse. They would have been willing to listen to her just as long as she never reacted and kept quiet As much as the fact that this trial became a source of entertainment disgusts me, at least I’m grateful I was able to realize how much I had been manipulated by pro depp propaganda . Seriously I was on his side up until I decided to read the UK Judge’s note. Amber isn’t perfect but Depp is a despicable human being and this trial is just another tool he’s using to abuse her

[@jakestroll6518]

Speaking for myself, it's not that she may have fought back. It's the fact that the full length recordings don't back the idea that she was merely fighting back. Tape after tape, he's the one insisting they take time outs before arguments escalate. He's the only one even raising violence as an issue. She's on tape saying she can't promise she won't get physical again because "she just gets so mad sometimes" and that's in response to him saying the violence is unacceptable. There's more but it's not worth getting into. I just wanted to say I'm fine with victims that fight back.....but I don't buy that's what happened in this marriage.

[@frankgallagher12]

@@jakestroll6518 So the fact that a judge in the uk ruled that Depp abused her on 12 occasions is a lie to you? Also the fact that Depp asked two times to overrule that verdict and two other judges told him no because the first verdict was correct, is another farce ? the fact that depp said violence is unacceptable should tell you something about how much he manipulated and gaslight her. In fact, there is absolute proof of the fact that he beat her (his assistants text to Amber where he said he was shocked at the sight of Depp kicking her, Depp himself sending her texts apologizing to her , and even to her parents). This shows that HE hit her and then proceeded to manipulate her to make her feel guilty about it, not to mention he denied EVER hitting her until he was forced to admit that he did it Amber , on the other hand, has always admitted to hitting him back, even before the audio were leaked before the trials As for her saying him not to leave her, she explained multiple times that she was terrified he would od or hurt himself Also, in the audio you mention, you can clearly hear him asking her “how are your toes” which perfectly backs up her explanation when she said he hit him as a response to him slamming the door against her toes Honestly, the recordings to me are very clear, especially when we heard a recording of him screaming at her telling her she’s not allowed to talk over him because “she’s nothing” and she apologizes, even though he was the one yelling at her To me it’s perfectly clear that she was the victim in a very abusive relationship and his abusive tactics were very effective, her feeling guilty and apologizing over nothing it’s a clear sign of the fact that she was manipulated and made into feeling sorry even if she did nothing Honestly, it seems to me like most of you refuse to see things clearly Depp controlled her career to the point where he threatened to sue the director of her movie if she appeared naked on screen Depp is a sick individual who defended Roman Polanski, a man who drugged and raped a 13 years old girl Depp joked about burning Amber and raping her corpse before they were even married Depp had as his witnesses only people on his payroll while amber had multiple people , many of which she doesn’t even speak to any longer Depp has a history of being violent, having been sued multiple times, and he’s the one who bragged about hitting people on various occasions He wanted a young and vulnerable woman to marry and unleash all of his aggressiveness upon to and he went mad when he realized she wasn’t like that, and this trial is just another way of keep ruining her life

[@kathryncainmadsen5850]

@@jakestroll6518 Exactly.

[@jasmine_minerva]

Her evidence of abuse makes no sense and her claims that it was self defence don’t match either. There’s a reason people think she’s lying, and it’s not because of assumptions or because they are fans of Depp’s.

[@tomrenjie]

Hodgeman's dialogue on Sim City as parable to megalomania is en flique.

[@ellencourtney7187]

Welcome to Maine Jon. John is on to it-Manchin & Collins see us as Sims to be silenced and/or fooled into submission.

[@lovelight9261]

Thank you, Lovett! It takes courage to let the Depp train go past. Thanks for saying the M word. An intelligent, strong, single woman is often the first and most maligned person in the room. Unfortunately, being “different” in America is dangerous to this day.

[@mightyone3737]

I totally relate to John's relationship with Sim City, I eventually stopped getting new games, and mostly play old games and actually get competent at them, at least strategy games where I can actually improve, I'm not very good at dexterity games, and much worse at speed games. It was an interesting experience to win at Civ 1 on Emperor via non-combat units, almost exclusively, because the RNG is super-hostile on Emperor, on Chieftain you can conquer Eurasia with a single Frigate full of non-veteran Knights, on Emperor I just would send out endless armies of Diplomats and Caravans and conquer everyone that way. There'd be a few battles, but most fighting was with the Barbarians, who are insanely strong on Emperor. Anyways, the Caravans helped raise money (along with my high tax/luxury Democracy that still is good enough tech wise due to building literally all of the buildings in every city that warrants the maintenance costs, which is nearly all of them, since I build an ungodly number of Settlers), the Diplomats just buy enemy cities and steal tech until they literally have just their capital left, which you can't buy. You can even start civil wars IIRC, it just costs more. It was more fun winning with a high Civilization Score Democracy on Emperor than when I would just beat incompetent opponents over and over by doing nothing but training the best military unit I can as a Despotism that does nothing but invest in tech research (I think I fundamentally did not understand the game), but I did have fun both ways.

[@deirdrevergados971]

Being, currently, 75 I can appreciate Freudian slips and memory lapses.

[@oceanwoods]

Thank you for addressing JD’s clown show creating chaos

[@kathryncainmadsen5850]

Clearly you are not watching any actual testimony or the actual trial.

[@arcaneboy]

The Rant Wheel doesn't have spokes yet still produced the sound effect.

[@Fanney47]

I remember when the NPH thing about Amy Winehouse happened back in 2011. It was really disgusting. Like I still do not understand why they ever thought that was a good idea. :/

[@carolinekelley9473]

Saw this show in Portland. Thanks for coming to Maine! It was a really fun night. NICE handling of the Lyle Lovett confusion.

[@kathryncainmadsen5850]

We laughed at the truth when GWB spoke the truth. We expect one thing and he did a bait and switch.

[@RapidObsessor]

god I'm SO glad he spoke about amber heard.

[@naylas3908]

I’m not. He clearly didn’t watch the full trial.

[@RapidObsessor]

@@naylas3908 I think he saw enough of this media circus to realize what's going on. But sure, let's pretend that this pile-on is normal and justified.

[@naylas3908]

@@RapidObsessor , the court verdict was correct. Amber is a liar. The reason there was a ‘pile-on’, was because her lies were so outrageous and obvious. I don’t agree with online bullying. What she did though, was despicable. She misused the ‘me too’ movement for her own gain.

[@RapidObsessor]

@@naylas3908 the verdict was that despite depp's lawyer also being found at fault for saying it was a hoax (the decision agrees it wasn't a hoax), she's not allowed to talk about it. great. fantastic. love to see how this affects people like angelina jolie, evan rachel wood, and countless others now that this man has drafted the blueprint for how me too cases are treated from now on. we did it guys, we canceled canceled culture.

[@judyarlene]

What he said about the imperfect victim was perfect.

[@carolyntalbot947]

🎯💯

[@justsomedude77]

not at all. This comment did not age well. The trial has concluded and the jury found that she was lying and her on contradictions on the stand indicate as much.

[@sagasandstars]

I love you Jon. Can’t wait to see you in Saint Paul in July! Best skirts ever!

[@panicatthebts7434]

I don’t know… as a female who had no real feelings about Amber Heard before this trial (I had only seen her in Aquaman and thought she did a good job) I side with Johnny Depp. I didn’t mean to pay attention to this trial, but the KZbin algorithm did it’s thing and I have been watching testimony and coverage from various legal experts who, at least to me, seem pretty fair in their coverage. They talk about what works in favor of Johnny’s claims, and what works in favor of Amber’s. After consuming all I have of the trial - the witness testimonies, the audio clips, pictures, etc - I have to say that while I acknowledge that no one can really know what happened, I feel like the facts line up more for Johnny Depps side of events. Is he a great person? No. Do I believe he and Amber had a mutually toxic relationship? Yes. Do I believe he physically assaulted Amber and was super controlling as she claims? No.

[@aneru9396]

16:20 I played Sim City Rush hour, a biiiit before Sim City 2013, and am Playing Cities Skylines now, and I 100% agree that it's a dousy getting those people to drive to work "correctly". Proper Lane Switching is an alien concept to them lol... Okay, in Cities Skylines it is, as Sim City Rush our was in the before times of Traffic control gameplay.

[@LOdom-ws8xv]

Love the Sim analogy

[@1961burn]

2:26 the funniest joke I've heard this week 😂

[@julieann287]

LOL!

[@danibeautylove]

I love my jon Lovett ....I do ...but I've been watching the ah and jd case from the beginning as a DV and SA survivor myself. I was at first on Amber's side. But the more you watch her lie nonstop on the stand..throughout the trial changing her story and denying things we just saw and heardher say, the more evidence you see and hear...it is very clear not only that she fabricated the majority of it...but that johnny was her victim of dv. She gave me flashbacks of living my abuser with her behavior so much I had to take constant breaks to get through it. Just saying...look into it more. you'll see why depp did this and is brave as hell for doing it

[@conancat]

Jon saying what needs to be said about the culture maligning imperfect victims. Based

[@naylas3908]

Except it’s not true in this case. There is proof Amber abused Johnny. There is no proof she abused him. People who don’t watch the full trial shouldn’t embarrass themselves by making these statements. People hate Amber because she keeps lying, even when there is irrefutable proof she’s lying.

[@lovelambs8870]

@@naylas3908 no proof she abused him? if you really watched the full trial and came to that conclusion you should pull out a notebook next time...

[@multilaughs8813]

W's age is irrelevant bec he was reading a speech. He wasn't speaking from memory so that was a confession

[@tammystockley-loughlin7680]

He knows that the Iraq invasion was not a valid operation. I would bet the Saudi government fed him lots of propaganda, that should have been scrutinized more thoroughly. Positive vibes from New Hampshire, remember to be kind to each other and yourself during these trying times

[@bdschwa]

Sample that ish and put it in a J Cole track.

[@dafnifez]

Well said. Amber dared to violently stand up to her abuser and eventually leave and out him. And so now that he can't physically abuse her anymore, he's using the full might of his power and wealth to keep on abusing her. And sexism, misogyny, ignorance, and anti-feminist sentiments have helped him a lot to do this. This is all that it is.

[@kibordpengin]

But like, no?

[@jakestroll6518]

I don't think that's what's happening. I think we need to start calling her an imperfect accuser because honestly, I don't know if the victim part is established anymore. I do want the silly hashtags against her to just cut it out and I wish the podcast would focus on that instead. We shouldnt be throwing our hats in on such a grey case

[@naomi7503]

And it feels like almost everyone on social media is participating in her abuse. It's so gross to watch.

[@naylas3908]

Well, the court clearly stated Amber lied about the abuse. She’s not the abused, she’s the abuser.

[@dafnifez]

​@@naylas3908 That decision has been highly questioned by several legal experts for various reasons including jury contamination and the judge's blockage of important evidence from Heard's team. For instance, it has been observed that, given that Azcarate allowed the broadcasting of the trial, it is unlikely that the jurors never got online info about the trial or info from their families and friends (and it is known that that info was filled with pro-Johnny anti-Amber propaganda). Azcarate should have sequestered the jury to ensure impartiality after the she decided to broadcast the trial. Another example is allowance of the judge into jury of one man who admitted during his voir dire that he had texted his wife about the trial and she had replied to him that ""Amber is psychotic. If a man says a woman beat him, they never believe him." Imagine what this man's wife was telling him each and every single night throughout the trial about what she's been seeing on KZbin, TikTok etc. This is one uror that we can be sure was never impartial throughout the trial. The endpoint is, the jury was likely not impartial, hence the (honestly) absurd decision. I mean, even you ask yourself, is it really likely that Johnny NEVER EVER physically, emotionally, financially, or psychologically, abused Amber throughout the relationship? This when even Johnny's own expert witness testified that the relationship was "mutually abusive"? I mean, the jury ruled even against testimony from his own team that didn't look favorable to him. The bias is obvious here. Also, remember that Johnny was found by an experienced UK judge to have been guilty of upto 12/14 of the domestic abuse charges brought against him in the UK Trial. The judge justified his decision through a lengthy document that is available for everyone to see online (check it out) and he had heard crucual evidence that had not been permitted into this trial. I think it's unfortunate that we do not have a similar document from the jury in this trial cause it would have been interesting to learn their thought process, if there was any, in arriving to the verdict and compare it to the UK judge's. Some legal experts have explained this disparity in sentencing between the UK trial and the US one by the proposal that it seems that untrained jurors may not be qualified enough to decide such cases as this. I mean, c'mon, the jurors didn't even understand the instructions about filling in the damages section of the verdict forms. These are the people that had to decide such a case that had become muddled in lots and lots of red herrings. All that said, let's wait for the appeal and see how it goes, shall we? #IStilStandWithAmberHeard

[@Hili24pur]

MISOGYNY IS ALIVE AND WELL IN AMERIDUH !!! I felt like the only one who saw the Misogyny in this . Thank you !

[@marknugent9851]

When I heard a government candidate had a stroke I thought you were talking about the house of commons minister caught watching porn.

[@tammystockley-loughlin7680]

Thanks for the giggle 😃. Positive vibes from New Hampshire, remember to be kind to each other and yourself during these trying times

[@lovelight9261]

By M word I meant misogyny. But, you’re also correct about Mia.

[@spameranne]

writing at 16.29: thanks jon for noting the horribly cyclical nature of the way these kinds of legal proceedings tends to go

[@ninino86]

John should try Islanders, the game. Build a beautiful city, no people. 😉

[@unvergebeneid]

Now I'm curious what a Baby Russian would taste like...

[@brendabrass2715]

Lovett you always deliver! A baby russian 🤣 fuckin brilliant. Great guests! ❤️ 💛🇺🇦💙

[@wooshafan]

I understand the broader point Lovett was making about Depp/Heard and imperfect victims but I think she is just a poor example to use. If you would have paid attention to the trial you would know why the reaction to her has been what it has. Heard's teams entire defence has been to paint Depp as an imperfect and therefore invalid victim. Fully acknowledge the things being said about Heard are often way over the line and the misogynists are revelling in it. Love Jon, love the pod, just think you got this one wrong

[@theomegajuice8660]

The main reason I have entirely avoided this trial is that (at a glance) it seemed like a murky situation with two people who could easily be mutually abusive or with one setting the other off into retaliating while emotionally breaking down. The level of confidence a lot of people seem to have in who the "true villain" is (blaming either party) I find quite disturbing and don't for a minute think it's based on a detailed and impartial knowledge of the case for most people who are evangelising for either of them. I'm neither of their lawyers and am happy for this clusterfuck to play out well away from my attention!

[@anerd8520]

Thank you. Amber is a liar and while Johnny made poor choices, he too is an imperfect victim. Do you think he wanted to hang his dirty laundry so that people like Jon can mock him for his mistakes? Jon is NOT the person who is able to provide an unbiased point of view in this scenario. (He had to bring up Mia). Amber has singlehandedly undone “always believe the woman” we should focus on believing the victim, and in this instance it is the man. I might be mistaken, but I am pretty certain Amber was dropped by the powers that be in the me too movement as well as her prior legal representation As a woman I find what Amber did pretty horrid to both Johnny and those victims, both women and men, who now have to work even harder to speak their truth.

[@pamgallagher9778]

As a DV survivor AB has no credibility in my eyes.

[@Les020519]

Agree. I think that most people are reading an article from one of the publications or watching the MSM and taking their lazy work as the truth and not looking at the facts of the case. Heard is not believable, but she also brought no facts to support her claim and never brought facts to back her accusations. While we need to support victims in DV claims, we also need to get our facts straight before passing judgment. Drop is the victim of DV in this case.

[@marybishop9928]

I must agree it is indeed evident you have not paid attention to the trial, Jon. I am disappointed you used your platform to utter a conclusion suited only to a different set of facts. It is a disservice to the very abuse victims you seek to support. You have clearly never suffered at the mind and hands of a woman with borderline personality disorder. Once you have, you realize this is a whole different monster you never knew existed. With some empathy from a distance, I can say they are very broken people who likely were victims of unforgivably terrible parenting. Up close, at first difficult to suss out, they are horribly manipulative, destructive, seductive, unrelenting and dangerous people one dare not ever trust or believe. Unusual as it may be, the facts show Johnny is the imperfect victim here not Amber.

[@jennbeth1]

I disagree. Amber Heard is not a victim. She's the aggressor.

[@lisareed5669]

I disagree.

[@sunnysunshine1353]

@@lisareed5669 then you haven't been watching the trial

[@maybesoda]

Thanks for this video. The trial shouldn't have been open broadcast. It's really humiliating for the real victim. Deep and his defense team are genius of manipulation and lies, and he is such a good actor. I can give him that. He made it public so people will side with him and that's what happened. Even if he loses he already won the public's affection once again. What's needed for an dv perpetrator to be called out and a real victim to be given justice. In the last of the cases both were in a toxic rs, but don't get confused Deep isn't an innocent man, far from that. You just have to see his history of violence before Heard and other things.

[@kathryncainmadsen5850]

I'm thinking you haven't watched the testimony or listened to the evidence. Yeah, he's a jerk and an addict AND the victim of DV. You think it's can't go the other way?

[@cillz-titoregniar367]

Believe all women!! Even the lying manipulative ones who make false accusations. Being a good lefty doesn't mean you have to stop thinking and turn your mind into a slogan regurgitator.

[@Stephen-Montefinese]

I almost missed my favorite Saturday morning show. 😁

[@podsaveamerica]

Glad you didn't miss out! :)

[@discord37]

Please come to the State Theatre in New Brunswick NJ please or somewhere in that area, even Count Basie theatre in Red Bank would be cool. :)

[@thebookelf2135]

Really Clarence, betrayal of trust? What was Bush v Gore?

[@TheCalicohorse]

Does anyone know the "code" or the source for the signs content? I don't get some of them.

[@Genesi-cd3py]

Thank you!!!! The misogyny of the amber heard is definitely a repeat of the 90's there is no such thing as a perfect victim, and he has enough excellent for council to blatantly go for it!

[@marybishop9928]

Because he has the resources for excellent council does not automatically point to him being the abuser. Amber has enough resources to blatantly go for it, too. Misogyny certainly exists, but so does misandry. And so does borderline personality disorder. Once you have suffered at the mind and hands of a woman with BPD you realize this is a different monster you never knew existed. Misogyny is wrong in any case. But woman committing DV do exist, and those with BPD will holler “victim” ‘til the cows come home. I once read a great description of BPD people: They will kick the dog and kick the dog and keep kicking the dog until it bites them, then turn and say “Look! The mean doggy bit me!” Could not be a better analogy. The facts presented at the trial so far show Johnny is the imperfect victim. Not Amber.

[@nope.2284]

The irony that this comes right off the back of 'free Britney' too. People are so blind.

[@nope.2284]

@@marybishop9928 this is a disgusting take on BPD. One - she was incorrectly assessed by a psych who had agreed on a diagnosis *before* meeting her. Two - it takes more than twelve hours to make that assessment. And three - this is stigmatising as hell. People with BPD are much *more* likely to be victims of abuse. Some of the people closest to me have BPD and are wonderful people. To lump everyone with this disorder together and say they're all awful is disgusting.

[@marybishop9928]

@@nope.2284 I take your point. My sincere apologies for my carelessness in expression. Please allow me to clarify my intent: Abusers with BPD are a different monster you never knew existed; I believe this observation is particularly unexpected (and therefore more difficult to accept) when the abuser is a woman. I should also have added that abusers with BPD plus HPD would seem especially adept at shredding their victims and obscuring the truth of their manipulative and abusive behavior. Again, because of our patriarchal society, I see that point as being particularly unexpected in women therefore more difficult to accept them as potential instigators of DV. Those of us who have been victims of these women can never un-see the symptoms. Plus, if, as in my case, we have also separately been victims of DV at the minds and hands of men we develop an even broader and more nuanced sense about DV across the board. If we have done the hard personal work on understanding what happened to us and our part in things, we don’t necessarily need an official diagnosis to tell us when we run across another abuser with BPD. As for JD v AH, given my hard earned awareness about DV, I was deliberately neutral for a long time. Observing the current trial has changed my mind. I think you can guess where I stand. Perhaps all of this still seems unfair to those in your circle with BPD who are lovely people. Clearly they are at the other end of the BPD spectrum, they are not abusers, and I do not include them in my observations about abusers with BPD.

[@marybishop9928]

@@ilkalikaman8021 The human does not hold all the power over the dog. We don’t know why the dog stays until it bites, the analogy does not say. Maybe it’s a good natured golden retriever.. Who knows. The point is that the human kicks the dog to get it to bite so the dog looks like the bad guy. The purpose being to get other people to comfort and validate the f****d up human. To prove to others that the dog should be abandoned and not the human. It’s textbook. Amber does not/did not hold all the power over Johnny. Johnny does not/did not hold all the power over Amber. As a former victim of DV at the mind and hands of men, and a former victim of harassment and abuse at the mind of an f****d up BPD female, plus having done the hard personal work in the aftermaths, I can say with certainty it’s just not as simple as one person holding all the power. It just doesn’t work that way.

[@skyisfalling8173]

Love you, Lovett!

[@rustyb2692]

Me too!!❤️❤️

[@Mark_Brooks]

Vote Save America links and promotion in the description or pinned? Please?

[@tristyevely3798]

I saw Cheri Beasley is going to be on. When is that getting posted?

[@podsaveamerica]

She was on this episode of Pod Save America last week: kzbin.info/www/bejne/n6Waf3aXo8x3aac

[@meredithodonnell4298]

The Depp vs Heard situation becomes a lot clearer if you watch the trial. Generally speaking, I agree with your point, but I’m not at all convinced she’s the victim here.

[@kathryncainmadsen5850]

For sure.

[@DonnaV411]

Neither am I, imperfect or perfect!

[@mariatamburro]

I know right?! It's so bad, that I am doubting if she was ever victimized. To get to the point where I am questioning literally everything she says shows that this is truly terrible. Even her lawyer gave up the other day. SO for Lovett to say what he did shows the lack of knowledge of the situation and how terrible it is. We need people like Lovett to call out the truth and explain how this is not discrediting women. One woman does not define us who have been fighting to be heard for so long.

[@jakestroll6518]

Me neither. I think it's the full length audio recordings for me. If he's the one constantly complaining about violence and she's constantly complaining about him running away.... yeah. We need to be very careful how we weigh in.

[@judyhgonzalez9715]

Excellent show.

[@tonyabrookes9931]

Thank you for your insight on the Heard/ Depp situation. Its revolting how people are behaving regarding her. I'm glad you can see it for what it is

[@DonnaV411]

Insight? He admitted he has not listened to any of it and knows nothing about it except what he sees on social media. If you watch her actual testimony you will see WHY people can't resist mocking her, she is simply out of control and not credible.

[@cenauge]

@@DonnaV411 Between the testimony, the recordings, and everything else, it's pretty clear that Amber Heard isn't just an imperfect victim, she's an abuser. The problem is that, as usual, certain quarters of the internet went full incel zealot on her in social media. It's so bad that, absent context, you look at the situation and say "I'm on whatever side those guys aren't."

[@DonnaV411]

@@cenauge shouldn't you be addressing this comment to Lovett? He is the one who said she's an imperfect victim. I think she is no victim at all and agree with you that she is an abuser. Depp is the imperfect victim -- a person with substance addictions is being made out to be violent. But Heard does not have any pictures of Depp being violent destroying their trailer or their home or hotel rooms. The only pictures she has of him are those when he is passed out.

[@lovemesomeslippers]

@@DonnaV411 Nagy was agreeing with you. Why is your back up?

[@DonnaV411]

@@lovemesomeslippers Sorry, I did not mean to convey that my back was up. I am not familiar with any social media except YT and I don't know if YT is even considered social media - so I am not entirely sure what Nagy means - I was only making sure my point was not misconstrued and that being John Lovett's opinion on the issue is suspect because he admitted he has not paid any attention to the trial. That is astounding to me, I thought him more of an independant thinker.

[@lazybones7326]

John Hodgman is basically a thicc Shane Madej

[@kathryncainmadsen5850]

I am in Madison Cawthorn's district. Primary voters can vote in any primary if you are an independent. So progressives crossed over and voted against him. So he lost by about 1300 votes. He will be back.

[@lovemesomeslippers]

Who wants him? He has offered nothing but hateful rhetoric.

[@Everah.Snow.]

Love this pod

[@PlumberryPuppet]

I fully support whatever fashion choices Jon wants to make. But, like, I don't understand wearing an entire gym outfit, and then throwing a nice fun skirt on top. Like, go with a solid A-line (maybe jersey or ribbed cotton), or wear a nicer top and nicer shoes. And none of the pieces are bold enough for power clashing.

[@TheCalicohorse]

I agree - I think he needs a little a la Dan Levy styling. At first, I thought Jon was being ironic.

[@lovemesomeslippers]

I’ve seen a better outfit on him. He has great legs and the leggings can go.

[@tammystockley-loughlin7680]

It maybe a little cool still in Maine...evenings in New England are hard to dress for...especially if you get cold easily, layers are the answer. Positive vibes from New Hampshire, remember to be kind to each other and yourself during these trying times

[@susieq1170]

I need a hobby of course but I make it a point when I come across an amber/johnny video to comment on her behalf. No, I don't watch the video I just point out that typically abusers are well-liked, charming, and witty in public. To everyone except who they're abusing. Every time he laughs or his fans laugh in court he's slyly doing it over again only this time the general public has joined in and abused her too. She might not be a wonderful person but that doesn't mean he hasn't abused her. That's all true ask Marsha, Mia etc. Mia who is such a talented actress and wonderful woman had to deal with it from all directions, from inside her own home. Makes ya wanna shove a shive in someone's eye. Wo, where'd that come from? Rant concluded.

[@nicolepsy]

Maybe you should watch the videos you comment on.

[@susieq1170]

@@nicolepsy lol you have a valid point but my comment would remain the same as it's a true statement. Things are not always the way they seem to appear and abusers are sometimes well hidden. Thank you though for your input.

[@naylas3908]

@@susieq1170 , well, the jury made it clear that Amber was lying. She’s the abuser, not Johnny.

[@susieq1170]

@@naylas3908 the lawyers and witnesses made it clear. The jury agreed with them. I dont believe he didnt also abuse her. Their relationship was toxic.

[@1961burn]

that dark maga shit is fvcking terrifying

[@JotaDeHace]

It is interesting to me that you simply assert Amber Heard as an imperfect victim and the notion of any possibility of Johnny Depp actually being a victim himself is not mentioned at all as even in the realm of reality. If you actually watch the entire trial, it is clear Amber Heard has no credibility at all in her most outlandish claims. While Johnny clearly has severe substance abuse problems, the only one who has had actual severe physical injuries with medical documentation in this case is Johnny when he had the tip of his finger chopped off. We should definitely all be greatly concerned about DV but blind acceptance of a claim that is contrary to all evidence especially with motivation for fraud along with just dismissing the real occurance of male victims of DV not only shows your own implicit bias but greatly harms the cause of DV awareness and prevention.

[@JackAShepherd]

💯

[@mariatamburro]

I am very frustrated with the way this conversation is going. One one hand, the crazies are trying to use this to discredit the MeToo movement and take us backwards yet again. The other side of it is just labeling her as an "imperfect victim." I have been watching a lot of this trial myself and I honestly don't know if she was abused at all. It doesn't seem like anything that comes out of her mouth is true. The other thing I have realized is that he is absolutely an abuse victim. There is no question about that. There is a serious problem when we cannot admit that these things can be true all at the same time. If we allow the polarization, we will never move forward.

[@christinac9086]

This.

[@lexietalionis]

This is nonsense. The UK court found that Depp was accurately called a "wife beater." They had to prove that was true in order to defeat the libel case. And Depp was denied on appeal as well. There is blind acceptance going on, but it's not on Amber's side. Read the UK case. Stop listening to out of context info leaked by Depp's team to smear Amber. Depp admitted on at least 2 different occasions that *he* cut his own finger--once in a tirade to his doctor bitching about Amber where he blamed her for making him so sad that he cut himself. And please stop hiding behind 'DV awareness and prevention' when you support a man who calls women withering c#nts, cum guzzlers, etc. and 'jokes' about killing his wife and fking her burnt corpse or stuffing her in the trunk of a car. Those things are 100% proven and he was forced to admit them, so don't require trusting evidence.

[@oscarcastillo5907]

Because he is the abuser lol

[@JesterLind]

Wow.. Chanda's premise fell flat, huh?

[@maryracine3389]

Try Sim Ant by Nintendo!

[@coffehbear3359]

Thank you for calling out the Johnny Depp vs Amber Heard, bald-faced bigotry and blaming the victim. You and Ronan are mensches.

[@justsomedude77]

That statement and this comment did not age well. It is extremely sexist to assume that JD could not be the victim in this situation, and the JURY saw as much.

[@lovelambs8870]

@@justsomedude77 Abuse is about power. you should do more research in how to effectively analyse abuse dynamics

[@justsomedude77]

@@lovelambs8870 I am well aware of that. Amber Heard thought she had power by leveraging false allegations on the back of women's suffering and Metoo.

[@WittelMeThis]

7:34 never forget

[@nonaeubinis4934]

Amber Heard is a joke due to her own actions and words. And it is very sexist of you to think it doesn't go both ways. But hey, she's gay so, I guess that makes all the difference in the world.

[@tylerhackner9731]

Fetterman ✊🏼

[@oliviarao4241]

Watch the trial. Amber is not a victim at all.. god.. being a woman does not mean you are always telling the truth. I am completely paying close attention. Jd has the power of truth and innocence on his side.

[@lisareed5669]

No.

[@marybishop9928]

Yes.

[@wandarah]

He was found guilty on 7 counts in the UK already.

[@naomi7503]

@@wandarah it wasn't an innocent/guilty thing, he was suing for defamation and I believe it was 12 counts

[@naylas3908]

@@wandarah , he was suing a tabloid for libel. 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@naylas3908]

I’m very disappointed with the statements about the Johnny Depp Amber Heard trial. Watch the entire trial before making claims, please. The recordings make it clear that Amber was abusing Johnny. It’s not that she’s an imperfect victim. She’s an abuser. She has admitted to hitting him on multiple occasions, kicking a door into his head, etc. There is a recording available online that wasn’t used in the trial because one of the people in it has passed away, related to the severed finger incident, in which Amber is sobbing uncontrollably and apologizing profusely that she did not mean to hurt him. She severed the tip of his finger. He has proof of several injuries and there are recordings of her admitting to abusing him. She has no proof, even though she was the one making the most pics and recordings. It has become very clear during the trial that she lied on multiple occasions.

[@theozeff7835]

What's with the skirt?

[@christinac9086]

Woah, Lovett.. Did you actually see the JD vs. AH trial, watch the depositions, or see the evidence? Please do that?

[@jdawg58472]

Love you Jon and love the Pod, but the take on Depp/Heard misses a ton of nuance. The evidence laid out in the trial strongly supports JDs side of the story and implies AH has been lying/fabricating her claims of DV. Johnny Depp seems very much like he was the victim of DV, not her, and that topic also deserves attention. Men can be the victim of DV, manipulation, and psychological abuse as well, but this is often not taken seriously as a possibility. The entire world took AH at her word bc “believe all victims”, but JD is guilty until proven innocent. This is an important cultural conversation to have, even, and actually ESPECIALLY as feminists. I encourage you to look into the actual details of the trial and would love to hear your take on it! I genuinely sympathize for AH, she seems to have caused a lot of people a ton of pain because of her own pain, but that doesn’t make her the victim.

[@april6620]

This is what I came to say. Thank you. I will add this, to those of us that have survived abuse, the lies and manipulations are infuriating, offensive and so easy to see through. Victims are already shamed, blamed and rarely see justice... what she has done and is still doing, is going to undo the tiny progress we were making to believe victims. I am glad to see the public get so wrapped up in this case, and I believe a big part of that is that so many of us can relate to Johnny in this case... and to see, at least, the court of public opinion to see through the performance is cathartic and gives some hope that this case may be just the catalyst needed for this country to finally begin taking dv and all forms of abuse more seriously.

[@natalialeesmith]

Literally came here to see if anyone brought this up. I watched some of the trial with the same viewpoint as Lovett, ended up watching the entire thing, and came away convinced that this is one of the very few cases where a woman coming forward with an abuse allegation is lying. Women can lie, and men can be abused. We do a disservice when we don't acknowledge that, and I actually think Depp might be a good example of the imperfect victim. But I totally see why anyone who hasn't watched the whole trial and seen all of the evidence (which I assume is most people) would liken it to how everyone treated Monica Lewinsky. Especially with the awful trending hashtags. The piling on Amber should stop, if only because true survivors see that shit and think that's what they'll get if they come forward.

[@lexietalionis]

No, JD is guilty because a UK court found him guilty. Or more accurately, they found that it was true to call him a "wife beater," which is what he was challenging in the libel suit. I question anyone claiming to have looked into this and be a feminist at the same time when there is record after record of Depp calling Amber and other women withing c#nts, cum guzzlers, whores, etc. and 'joking' about killing Amber and fking her burnt corpse or stuffing her in a car trunk. He had her start medication with his own doctors, replaced all her medical care with people he employed and then sent angry messages to those people when they didn't "control her." This is not a male victim of abuse. This is a super wealthy and successful misogynistic narcissist with all his paid people around him who Amber had to deal with (look at the texts Stephen Deuters sent her begging her to return and saying how sorry Depp was for kicking her). Anyone supporting him is disgusting.

[@R_A120]

For what its worth, it doesn't really look like Depp is the guilty party, the evidence is damning in a lot of cases, I'll just take one, the 2014 plane incident; Depp claims he had two glasses of champagne and went peacefully to sleep in a bathroom after getting berated by Heard + he remembers the flight Heard claims that he went on a drunken tirade, kicked her, and then rolled around in the bathroom all night Here is the evidence we have, and i'm including evidence from the UK trial too because I think people really need to see how much Depp is lying to everyone: - A text from Depp to Paul Bettany where he claims he was horrendously drunk, was in a fit of rage, and fucked up, a week or so after the flight - A text to Cher where he says much the same thing, again some time after the flight had passed - An apology text to Heard where he types essentially an essay about how much he fucked up - Texts from Depps assistant to Heard where he states he saw Depp kick Heard and how fucked up it was - Audio from the plane journey where Depp is screeching like an animal and his assistant says something to the effect of 'I'll take care of this fucking idiot' (doesn't sound like he just had two glasses of champagne) - He admitted to their mutual friend iO that he doesn't remember the plane journey, in 2015 I believe, a year or so after the flight - Heard emailed herself after the flight a sort of diary entry about how she was abused on the plane and no one stepped in/said anything Now taking the frenzy out of the trial, I think you'd have to reach pretty hard to conclude that Depps version of events happened on that plane, but he adamantly wants you to believe nothing happened, if he is so innocent, why doesn't he just come clean about this incident instead of asking us to ignore common sense

[@natalialeesmith]

@@R_A120 As far as I'm aware, other than Amber's account, which is suspect at best, the only part of all of that evidence which points directly to Depp kicking her (the trial is not about Depp being an intoxicated idiot) is the texts from Deuters, which he has since spoken out about and cast doubt on their veracity. By contrast, there is a TON of evidence pointing to Amber as the aggressor in that relationship (and she has been arrested for DV in the past), and a ton of shit she has said on the witness stand that simply could not have happened the way she claimed. And I mean, come on. She documented so much stuff related to Depp's drug taking etc., but never managed to get a single picture of herself after one of these horrific beatings she describes? Not ONE? In all those years? She never sought medical treatment even one single time? With the intensity of the violence as she describes it, I find that difficult to believe. I can think of two sets of photographs just off the top of my head that PROVE she is willing to lie under oath. The clearly doctored photo of her with the botox bruise under her eye, which she claimed was a different picture to the undoctored one, just taken without the vanity light on-- they are clearly the same photo, and she has messed with the saturation to make the bruise look worse. Otherwise she somehow took the photograph, turned on the light, and then got back into the exact same position-- the EXACT position, down to her eyelids and every strand of her hair-- and took another photograph. Please. As well, the photograph she showed of her table with lines of cocaine, which she claimed she never touched before taking, was clearly staged. There are other photos that show the appearance/disappearance/movement of obects on the table in between taking the pictures. I think Depp's claims of being abused by Amber are credible and backed by evidence. He shouldn't be dismissed out of hand just because he's a man. But in the end, I think this is something about which reasonable people can disagree. If you have watched the trial and genuinely believe her story, I respect you for it. None of us can know with certainty what happened. And no matter what the truth, the social media pile-on of Amber has absolutely been steeped in mysognistic bullshit, no question.

[@13multipurpose]

Well Heard is NOT the victim. Maybe paying a little more attention to what is happening in the trial would help you see that reality.

[@wandarah]

Looks like we got us one

[@kathryncainmadsen5850]

It's hard to find Depp-Heard domestic violence, toxic abuse, mental illness, and making false accusations leading to cancellation all that funny. Just saying. It's true. He is an addict and that makes him an extremely imperfect victim. People are doing that GLEE at other people's suffering thing and choosing a hero and villain without compassion. There is plenty of evidence she IS lying and NOT a victim so do not jump to those conclusions without due process, but going after her the way the public is doing is also horrifying.

[@Weemadaggie]

All of this.

[@glory1356]

The UK judges already sentenced as proven 12 out of 14 instances of domestic abuse, so it's been already settled by court she is his victim. And if you try to tell me that UK legal system, which is among the most respected in the world, is somehow illegitimate, then you should rethink a few things.

[@jakestroll6518]

@@glory1356 I have a lot of compassion for her because the onslaught can't be easy BUT we must be honest. She was not a party to the UK case, just a witness. Depp couldnt therefore subpoena her devices which is where all the damning audio recordings were pulled from. Basically there's evidence in this case that wasn't available to the UK judge. She's also clearly perjured herself in that court regarding the donations. I don't know where we go from here but "imperfect victim", ain't it.

[@glory1356]

@@jakestroll6518 Let's be honest. His odds were much better in UK, where the alleged slanderer has to prove what they said is true, and he still completely lost. In US, the burden of proof lies on him, and if you knew about this case anything more than from cringeworthy videos that flood the social media no doubts thanks to his team's shady efforts, you would know this talk about "damning recordings " is bollocks and it looks really miserable for him.

[@naylas3908]

@@glory1356 , well, that comment didn’t age well, did it? The recordings and wittnesses clearly showed Amber is a liar. The jury agreed.

[@Hili24pur]

Hey Jon you are the best , BUT really , the oceans are being decimated , please stop eating lobster and sea creatures , Watch "My Octopus Teacher " PLEASE !!

[@kehcat1]

The only thing I want to say about the Amber Heard comment is with this question. Why can't Johnny be the one who was victimized in this case? Why is the female always the victim?

[@medicinaemdia4895]

Is George w bush drinking again ???

[@tozomona]

Sad for both. Toxic is right and both are responsible. Throw dugs/alcohol in the mix and it's high drama. Both were abusive and both were volunteers. Been there when I was young and didn't know better.

[@drockherb2073]

Dunno he lost me on that imperfect witness thing, I think from all the audio of he really admitting to getting physical also screaming about being sorry an what I’ve done after his finger was cut off, is saying she’s in the wrong, am I saying he’s completely innocent ? No not at all but i don’t think she’s guilty because of the turd, but most everything else.

[@vanessawhitneypro]

15:15 - Sorry, Jon... I LOVE your pods... But, I wholeheartedly disagree... IMO She's NOT the only "imperfect victim" in that s**t show... She AND He have been toxic & abusive... I recommend watching the entire thing... She's no doubt had a rough life (so had He)... But, in addition to being in a string of toxic relationships, she's now ALSO become an abuser... Getting others (including her sister - read Jennifer Howell's letter to her) to LIE and MAKE UP STORIES for her... It's ALL a mess, agreed... But, she's NOT the only victim...

[@tozomona]

agree

[@vanessawhitneypro]

@@kara1460 Off Topic.

[@linkmaster77]

amber is not the victim, Johnny is. amber is not a victim of misogyny, she is a victim of her own actions.

[@dparks3784]

I think Jon is wrong about Amber Heard. She is not a victim like Lewinsky or Mia. If you don't watch the trial it might seem like it is totally ridiculous. Amber took advantage of the Metoo movement to hurt Depp.Women aren't always the victim. Depp I think is the victim in this case. Shoud he have just allowed himself to be victimized? No, he wanted to fight for his due process. Jon is probably reacting to the nonsense on social media making fun of Amber, of course, that is not helpful. Nor was it helpful when people jumped to conclusions about Depp.

[@pluckyheroine9482]

Indeed. AH took a Me Too issue and turned it into "look at me".

[@naomi7503]

@@pluckyheroine9482 the allegations came out in 2016 before me too, during their divorce settlement. Read the op-ed! she is being sued over nothing. She did not take advantage of anything, the ACLU even admitted to helping write the op Ed. It's ironically about supporting domestic violence victims. Depp stans seem to know so little about what this case is actually about (and also how much damning evidence there is against Depp, and why he lost the UK trial)

[@Reezer83]

I'm shocked you are comparing Amber to Lewinsky and other famous victims. The shit she did to Johnny has never been done in the history of the world by a real victim of abuse. Cause they are scared. They sometimes kill the abuser. But never antagonise him. And her own sister told multiple friends she doesn't get why Johnny stays with that evil b..... and now I must believe from that same person that Johnny is the evil one ? You are dead wrong on this take. Even her own lawyer showed us she knows she has a weak case and a weak client. Saying I'm doing my best says you know you're client is nuts and not to be trusted. And you should not be blamed for losing. She's a borderliner. 1 of my closest friends too. She almost attacked me in a discussion about my profession. And Amber abused her last partner. But now Johnny is evil and she became calm in between relations ???? Your take is so stupid.

[@No-One-Important-Here]

Like much of the world, many of us believed in Amber Heard. That is, until the trial when we saw the EVIDENCE…from herself, against herself. To compare her to Lewinsky is an insult to her. Lewinsky deserves better then and now from how we all treated her. It is disappointing we can just brush aside and ignore imperfect male victims, while continuing to uphold the myth that there can only be imperfect female victims. To casually dismiss this case as trivial with referencing to the defecation on the bed shows the underlying contempt and elitism one has towards the case, and most importantly, towards the evidence and facts. It points to the lack of understanding, or worst, the refusal to further understand the case because it is “beneath” them. It is disappointing intelligence often blinds the intelligent. Depp v. Heard isn’t about misogyny. It is misandry. To continue to pretend the public’s response towards this case is nothing but misogynist is ignoring the fact many of us as humans do not like to be gaslighted and lied to, especially with such grandiose accusations and tall tales which has been proven to be false with evidence and facts in court. I have come to enjoy your witty banter but to assume the reactions to this trial is in anyway similar to Lewinsky’s or Farrow’s is disrespecting both of these strong and amazing people.

[@CCCC-rw9hx]

I think you're wrong in the JD vs AH case.

[@Kyella_S]

Jon's had some bad takes in the past, but this AH take is a doozy. Yikes.

[@Stanzci]

#istandwithamberheard

[@cillz-titoregniar367]

Sorry guys I am an anti woke liberal just here to hate watch. Sad I know but at least I own it. BTW I do like the skirt.

[@turtlemayhem39]

Lovett minimizing domestic violence for laughs. Not the greatest move. "That's not what he said" ... Yes the fuck it is

[@SaucerJess]

💙💚💙

[@jeninmontana]

You have ignored the whole AH/JD controversy & now feel you have the right to weigh in on this? Lovett your ignorance is showing & you've lost me as a viewer.

[@wandarah]

Hahahaha what a dork

[@natalialeesmith]

I agree with you about AH/JD, but also think we can probably forgive Lovett for not watching seventy bajillion hours of trial testimony before forming an opinion that in the vast majority of cases would be the correct take. I disagree with Lovett on this one and think his rant was a mistake, but if you're going to make a mistake, erring on the side of believing women probably isn't the worst crime.

[@nessamaine]

Well said!

[@nicolepsy]

@@natalialeesmith It's not great when she is clearly the abuser.

[@BlynkyLand]

I think Jon's lower half is transitioning. 🦋

[@kathryncainmadsen5850]

She is right about kids (and parents)! playing the race card willy nilly and from both directions! I don't think it's what the school is teaching. It's social media and how parents talk.

[@TheCalicohorse]

I'm a Canadian high school teacher, and I have a bunch of students who call everything "racist" no matter what the scenario. AND...none of 'em are BIPOC, so there's that! They're not being serious; they're just clowns, but it drives me coo-coo brain. I really get after them to stop minimizing and dismissing the word. They're coming around and finding less loaded things to annoy me with :) Of course it's not CRT causing this. Are schools supposed to stop promoting anti-racism all together because some parents and states are lumping it in with CRT?