Low Carb Diet Shortens Lifespan? | Educational Video | Biolayne

[@zgochenour]

Perfect example of why Layne is the best commentator on nutrition issues on KZbin. Refuses to sensationalize a headline even if it could be used to bludgeon the low carb zealots he's often taking issue with. Interesting study, but I think it's helpful as a place to talk about these confounding variables and the limits of using all cause mortality to make sweeping generalizations about nutrition. Eat your veggies, get your protein, sleep and exercise, don't smoke! Study after study confirms this advice.

[@EquityCall]

This study was so confusing that I increased my carbs and started smoking.

[@davesprivatelounge]

Instructions unclear, started smoking carbs

[@r0c1ndave]

😂😂 Started smoking carbs and watching Dr Boz channel instead of @Biolayne 🤣

[@Returntonature145]

Thats all bullshit

[@Sarahizahhsum]

​@@davesprivatelounge I want some of what he is smoking.

[@vikingstorm32]

It's like hand selecting an allstar team who eats carbs and doesnt smoke, then selecting skinny people who eat meat and smoke. Then after the game, the allstars talk about how much the carbs helped them win. Lol

[@patricklyonsofficial]

loved the way you broke this one down, man! great video as always 💪🏼🙌🏼

[@DMRYeti]

Layne, I appreciate your willingness to be critical of the study results and confounding factors…and not sensationalize the headlines!

[@ThingsYoudontwanttohear]

This type of nutritional studies always makes me hungry. That is one consistent finding. Confounding factors may apply.

[@omarY396]

What about how ingesting protein promotes igf-1 and its affects on longevity? And what about the higher amounts of methionine in animal protein? As a typical gym bro who spaces out his protein intake throughout the day and eats lots of protein as well as foods with higher methionine content overall, I would personally love a video about this topic and how such a diet would affect longevity. Thanks Dr Layne!

[@GoalOrientedLifting]

I think the igf-1 fear seems unreasonable, cause it seems to be a lot more complex then what some people say it is. Cause resistance exercise increases igf-1, yet exercise doesn't cause cancer nor accelerate it. It does the opposite

[@1967davidfitness]

Hi, this is NOT Layne, but a keen diet science enthusiast. The science around igf-1 is unsubstantiated by the science literature. Those pseudoscientists that promote this trend always sell something

[@marcelmarcel5901]

m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/g6GchH6BgNmrm6M

[@Sarahizahhsum]

No. Methionine is broken down into homocysteine. You need adequate B12 and folate to break down homocysteine. This is why those with MTHFR gene mutations need to take in methylcobalamin and methyl folate because they (we) don't methylate well. That's why you have a higher risk of heart disease as a MTHFR-er.

[@1967davidfitness]

@@Sarahizahhsum It's all a load of nonsense!

[@wallacebonner7939]

I think another issue here is that probably at least half of those people on low carb diets didn't start the low carb diet until they were in their 30s and 40s, and were using it to address other health issues like obesity, high blood pressure, diabetes, etc. I imagine it would be hard to find enough people that led a clean low carb lifestyle from birth to death to base a study on. My dad smoked until he was in his 40s, my mom all her life, and they both died to COPD and its related issues; sometimes the damage is already done.

[@KrystalessR]

But it isn't simply "carbohydrates" that lead to the health issues you mentioned. You can likely find people who were eating healthy while not being low carb. Smoking is a poor example, as that is always bad... carbohydrates are not always bad. Most things we would consider "bad" are not all carbohydrate either... donuts, pizza, candy bars, etc. are all very fat heavy too. While they may contain macronutrients they aren't genuinely food, I would think this conversation would revolve mainly around macronutrients contained in healthy food.

[@wallacebonner7939]

@@KrystalessR I never said carbs were bad, I just said that the people they were studying didn't spend their entire lives on a low-carb diet, so you can't really tell how such a diet would affect someone over a lifetime. The foods you listed are all heavy in saturated fats, which also leads to issues. I have also seen videos stating that eating carbs and fats together because the carbs cause fat cells to open up and more easily absorb the fat consumed, but not sure if that's just theory or backed by studies.

[@jybf4211]

I wonder if some of the people in the study who were on a low carb diet -higher mortality rate group also had other preexisting conditions like diabetes type 2 that would have increased mortality rates just because of their past issues related with the disease even when they're finally on low carb diets. Good vid. Keep up the myth busting and health lessons! Thank you.

[@marcosmercedesn]

I'm here shoving some rice to increase my lifespan

[@gio7602]

You joking right 🤣

[@JTguitarlessons]

Jesus, shoving it where?!

[@GhostRiley-zs8zb]

@@JTguitarlessons at the place where sun don't shine.

[@zakazan8561]

I think a very important metric that a lot of mortality / aging studies gloss over is quality of life at older ages. If a certain diet lowers your life expectancy by a couple of years, but then increases your ability to care for yourself at an older age compared to another diet, that would be very interesting to hear about. Sarcopenia is one of the leading causes of disease injury and death among the elderly. Optimizing things like muscle mass could offer much more benefit to a person throughout their life, even though it could shorten their lifespan.

[@Magic_beans_]

The earlier stuff isn’t fun either. A decade-plus of sitting and snacking left me mildly hypertensive and nursing an arthritic knee at age 41. I’m just glad I got out before I wound up taking meds or doing needle sticks every day for the rest of my life.

[@rmmm6725]

Yeah I’d rather have a epic heart attack at 70 while beating some young guts then live to 90 sucked up in a wheelchair like most vegans

[@GoalOrientedLifting]

You're my favourite source of nutrional info. It's so well done, and balanced.

[@para_bellum_1984]

This is the Biolayne I love and super respect. Re-subbed.

[@biolayne1]

Not sure why you unsubbed but welcome back

[@julioandresarriagarangel7183]

Thank you, Layne. That was very educational.

[@Jay_fit28]

Absolutely love it. I love how you brought a diff narrative from the study as well. A lot of us don’t really pay attention to things like that, only the conclusion. Well done sir, keep bringing it 👊

[@tonywong8134]

I don't remember the study, but those who ate the most protein had the shortest lifespan. Those on low-carb tend to make up the rest of the calories with protein.

[@repsn_sets1749]

The difference in tone of the intros of What The Fitness vs Educational Videos is incredible..

[@ThomasAT86]

Very much appreciated, again fantastic content. I am subbed to one of those suggesting high saturated fat/carnivore diets and it's just so confusing. According to that source, cholesterol levels of 300+ could be fine if certain other measures are looking good. Forgot what it was. Maybe science will come up with more information in this regard, it's certainly pretty interesting. But I personally tend to prefer the mediterranian approach with more mono-unsaturated fats anyways, with a lower carb content because it works for me currently. Love and strength

[@yoijoe13]

I actually got a violin ad for a violin video that was astonishing

[@kimdavis7812]

Excellent video Layne, thank you

[@charlie123abc]

This content is the best - thanks for doing this.

[@goranlicul5968]

What would you recommend on blood pressure reduction beside calorie restriction, and exc.? Could you cover more about health and popular diets, flexible, paleo, time restricted, some comparation for cardiovascular health etc...?

[@AdamScottfit]

Great video Layne, as always. Some speculation from me: potentially those on the lower carbohydrate diet being so restrictive by nature, that participants looked for a high outside food (i.e nicotine).

[@Sarahizahhsum]

I'm a smoker. I smoke less the more carbs I eat. This is true.

[@AdamScottfit]

@@Sarahizahhsum yeah, I've heard that a few times.

[@Pluvo2for1]

Great summary at the end

[@Kittendoc]

Awesome analysis

[@ryanfollweiler691]

Love this type of content

[@Ketobodybuilderajb]

Rocking solid, Layne

[@daniel-zu4kp]

questionnaire data is really accurate

[@axelkyneb4668]

Amazing content as always - both funny and educational :D Was wondering what your take on the NMN/Resveratrol hype is? I am kind of curious myself 😊

[@Kevnadian]

Got confused and am now eating meat based plants

[@bunny2chandu]

Educational video Layne is a softie with kind gestures and empathy. What the Fitness Layne is straight up BS Annihilator

[@keithseymour9316]

Scientific and balanced. It's why I keep coming back.

[@shaneduquette]

On the fibre note, the researchers looked at it directly. The low-carb group was indeed eating less fibre.

[@alwaysadaptivepodcast]

Thats literally what he said.

[@shaneduquette]

@@alwaysadaptivepodcast If I remember right, he said maybe it could be that more carbs mean more fibre. But the researchers measured it. It's not a maybe. It's in the study.

[@alexbenedict2344]

Common sensical. Sane analysis. Thanks!

[@tiagokang639]

Loved the vid. More, please.

[@giovannimungly9353]

As genuine as usual 👌

[@DennisBolanos]

@biolayne, could you make a video about fish oil?

[@paulmarino8810]

Who funded the study?

[@inovsign]

Think the actual message is, high protein diets shorten life span in various animal studies - multiple species. The animals fed high carb, low protein were a bit overweight but outlived the the lean, high protein fed animals. Highly recommend the work and book „Eat like the Animals“. Question is, do we rather want to lean down with high protein / low carb and reap those be benefits, or limit protein for life extending effects? Maybe Layne can cover this, together with the Protein Leverage Hypothesis created by the same scientists / authors of the book mentioned above.

[@ThePainkiller9995]

I know I'd rather be jacked for 80 years than frail and weak for 100

[@georginaK21]

I hear what you're saying about the association found between saturated fat and mortality, however they are studies done on people increasing fat consumption on a standard American diet, which consumes a lot of carbohydrates and processed crap. On a keto or carnivore diet, saturated fat is used for fuel and does not develop atherosclerosis despite the elevated LDL because there is no oxidation of LDL particles due to hyperglycaemia or seed oils. You can see this clearly as coronary artery calcium scores are reversed on the diet and quite often equal zero. Cholesterol is the main component of arterial plaques, but it turns out it's just like plastering a wall full of holes - it's elevated blood glucose that causes the holes. Correlation does not always equal causation.

[@pennyblue6372]

can you make a video about leo longevity about protein ages you

[@y2kv1]

Based on videos from different ppl, it’s said that insulin spiking from carbs has a greater impact on mortality than mtor spiking, it’s why Thomas delauer did intermittent fasting. However Layne has debunked the effects of insulin spiking, as when calories are equal, the body goes through the same amount of inflammation regardless of fasting. I think Layne is big on moderation so he’d be supportive of the typical bodybuilder’s macro ratios, which is moderate like this study, about 55% carbs and 35-45% protein.

[@littlevoice_11]

I wonder if a low carb but high fibre and high plant protein intake with fats from omega 3 and avocado, olives etc would be better?

[@mickeychan2223]

Anyone watching the video please eat some chips to increase you lifespan

[@BrianE_PhD]

Hey Layne have you made a video about natural "testosterone boosters" yet? I had a friend ask me about tongkat ali because it's been promoted and my response was natural testosterone boosters likely won't have any significant impact on a person with healthy test levels, referencing your posts on testosterone levels within the healthy natural range the lack of correlation to performance.

[@tilfliegel]

I really wonder why there is a correlation between carb intake and smoking. I was a smoker myself, but I can't say if I ate more or less carbs while smoking.

[@seeum09]

What about the distinction between the types of LDL? Do they all increase the risk of heart disease? If not, does saturated fat increase the specific types that do increase the risk of heart disease? What about the fact that saturated fat also increases HDL?

[@budycelyn]

another variable, refined carbohydrates (insta insulin spikers) versus slow burn, complex natural carbohydrates (slower insulin increases), seems this study has taken carbs and put them into a catch all nametag. personally i am relatively low carb, but that's only because i don't touch refined carbs, i have plenty of fibre in my diet and will eat complex/natural carbs, i also don't smoke, rarely touch alcohol and i'm a fairly fit 50 yr old (lots of off road cycle exercise), the refined carb thing that spikes insulin is more dangerous than super low carbs, especially in people that do little exercise, all that excess sugar gets stored and over years will eventually cause diabetes through the regular spiking of insulin and resultant damage to the pancreas. subbed btw, very informative interesting video.

[@faisal-ca]

Can meats or vegetarian sources of proteins be replaced with safe protein powders? and rest of the minerals and vitamins taken using smaller amounts of meats and larger portions of vegetables and fruits.

[@gokhantoksoy2826]

good one !

[@Radjehuty]

I would imagine there could be another simple idea that's related to the point about smoking and that's the fact that any diet that vilifies a macro tends to attract people that are concerned about their health and looking for a crash diet. Anecdotally, my mother had a scare with her A1C and thought immediately that she needs to go back on a low carb diet. I imagine this is a common story that people go on extreme diets when they reach a point in their health that motivates them to change so drastically. Reality is not even diet will undo all the damage that's been done especially if it's been way too long.

[@jackwalter5970]

What about low carb diets for Type 2 diabetics?

[@realmonsterlee]

Ok, how I'm supposed to increase my fiber intake on a keto diet? I'm already at the 30g of carbs limit,,, can't just rely on avocados and kale, any advice here? Besides, I actually can't digest starches so it seems pretty f.u. to me ...

[@halfunder9712]

Psyllium husk in supplement form. Spinach . Broccoli . Kale.

[@sanjinsaric1018]

Regarding the LDL-C studies, @DaveKeto has posted a challenge to find a study where increased risk of death is found when LDL-C is high, but triglycerides were low. To this day, nobody answered his challenge. So LDL-C might be a marker for increased heart disease, but more context is needed for that to work.

[@claudiucosar]

it’s not an independent marker as i found out…apoB is considered independent

[@howy3333]

I think the whole point is that low sat fat, high fibre is a result of a higher carb diet which leads to longer life. So Im not sure if you need to control for these. Great analysis though!

[@filosofodemierda]

It's funny how, EVERYTHING in life is more than likely better off being balanced. With the exception of a few things like drugs but other than that, eeeeverything functions the way it should when it is balanced, exercise, diets, politics, hobbies, I mean you name it. But people will always find the way to make things harder than they should.

[@Seanonyoutube]

Except for the fact that the definition of “balanced” varies significantly depending on who you ask.

[@longtimelo]

Eh, you I could "balance" my diet with a lot more carbs very easily (and enjoyably), but I'm a T2D. Doesn't work for all people in all situations.

[@philschiavone101]

I only went low carb because I was diabetic. After a year of extreme low carb eating, I have been increasing my carb intake and checking my blood sugar. I can now eat fruit and not have high blood sugar. When I was a raging diabetic, a cup of diced melon would send my blood sugar well over 200. So, in the short term, low carb was extremely beneficial to me. I just wonder if I could have fixed my blood sugar going high starch and very low fats. What do the studies show about that?

[@Slopo777]

Hong Kong has the highest life expectancy in the world, according to Macrotrends. Hong Kong has one of the highest meat consumptions in the world, with pork and beef consumption being the highest, with average daily consumption four times higher than the UK. This is according to a HKU Earth Science study.

[@mindyourbuisness8104]

Why wouldn't all cause mortality rates just take out accidents causing death doesn't seem like it would be that hard to do

[@scottycranwell283]

Hey Layne, great info as always. What are your thoughts on MCT oil consumption in regards to the risks of saturated fats?

[@mohammedlee8309]

Hmm... They do adjust for smoking and physical activity, among other things. Even diabetes which is an over-adjustment, imo without which the results would be even more dramatic since there are fewer diabetics in the higher-carb groups.

[@christinaherren]

Keto diet stabilizes my mood and energy level. When I eat carbs I get sleepy and also irritable I also get toothaches with sugar and breads.

[@filipinoblackpill6194]

you can take boiled potato as source of carbs and banana or avocado. bread is processed food you can get heart plaque with processed food due to triglycerides.

[@anthonymedina4901]

dude i freakin love you

[@SeboHyatt]

This is a great video, holy crap.

[@aletheiaquest]

Although I eat carbs, they aren't essential. How could we be told they're so important when they aren't necessary/essential?

[@JoshBenware]

The actual macronutrient (carbohydrates) may not be essential, but, many carbohydrates contain essential micronutrients.

[@Seanonyoutube]

That’s like asking why live in a house and not in a tent if a house isn’t essential.

[@Szanox]

@@JoshBenware also many carbohydrate foods have 0 nutrients and your body need lots of nutrients to digest it Example? White rice.

[@lukeclaydon6670]

Whole food carbs like oats potatoes are full of fibre and nutrients not talking about ones stripped of fibre and nutrients

[@alyxfaust5663]

@@Szanox white rice has a lot of iron

[@marcusearnshaw1816]

Would love you to do studies on the top test boosters like tongkat Ali and stuff like that I see claims saying the boost test super high I would love to know about studies

[@MichaelLoweAttorney]

Did high carb group have same confounders as high fat group?

[@philippashirkey2192]

Seems like no one has mentioned yet that 30 percent carbs isn't a truly low carb diet, just lower than standard.

[@littlevoice_11]

If plant diversity could be ensured and fibre was healthily high then I wonder if longevity would be greater as microbiome was healthier.

[@StraightEdgeJunkie]

The smoking thing is interesting. I'm a former long-time smoker. And I gained weight. And I got curious about keto to lose the weight. And I did. But it's interesting to think that maybe smoking and weight gain correlate heavily becaus they're both, to some extent, results of poor impulse control. Or perhaps some added need for stimuli, or what have you, which is then treated with things like smoking and pleasure eating. People who try something like low carb usually do so because they have extra weight on them. So curious to see it indeed correlate so heavily with smoking.

[@shawnpilgrim2355]

I do low carb/keto and I completely agree on the saturated fat discussion. That’s why I eat tons of avocado. High Unsaturated fat, fiber and potassium. I also have used a pea protein powder on occasion and it worked just fine too. If I die a few years before the average dude but I’m living my best life now, I’ll take it.

[@jasonrios3120]

That’s the best way to do low carb keto imo, lots of fibrous vegetables, lean meats, a little bit of berries, and fats coming from monounsaturated fats like you said avocados and some olives and even some full fat dairy like yogurt

[@longtimelo]

@@jasonrios3120 What? No Kerry Gold butter? Waaaaaah! 😭

[@Szanox]

150g sat FAT per day mostly from raw butter - aftet 5 Years my blood work is Perfect. Much better than on others diet when i restrict sat FAT to 10g per day .

[@jtell723]

People typically use a low carb diet to address an obesity and metabolic issues. People that have NEVER had this issue typically don’t follow a specialized diet.

[@r0c1ndave]

@Biolayne weird. I wonder why @DrBoz doesn’t mention this study 🤷🏻‍♂️😱

[@jimbo4187]

Layne, is there an explanation for why saturated fat can increase LDL cholesterol? If the saturated fat is being oxidized to make ATP (like cis fats), then why exactly are saturated fats unique from cis fats in that they cause increases in LDL?

[@claudiucosar]

myristic acid causes increase in ldl along with palmitic and lauric acid in some people stearic acid not…

[@kulata]

They should just call this study a comparison of those who don't smoke and exercise vs. those who do. Useless study

[@snake1625b]

If you're maintaining calories, eating fiber and a balanced diet and reducing stress, then is eating high amounts of saturated fats really that bad?

[@Magic_beans_]

Seems that way. He made a video about that in regard to meat consumption: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nV7Yoa2sqtx0pMk Long story short, red meat consumption was correlated with cardiovascular disease risk, but when they equated fruit and vegetable consumption that relationship pretty much disappeared. [Kind of a side note, the current consensus is that saturated fat isn’t harmful, it just doesn’t have the cardio-protective benefits that unsaturated fats do.] More broadly, the obscure health risks that get a lot of social media attention - PUFAs, food processing, BPA, oxalates, artificial sweeteners, and so forth - are either unproven or minuscule compared to the “big bricks” he mentioned.

[@michaeltiemeyer9552]

Yes, eating high amounts of saturated fat even though you’re eating a eucaloric diet with high fiber can still be really bad. See Alan Flanagan’s article, Is Saturated Fat Worse For You Than Sugar, on Layne’s website where he discusses the amount of saturated fat in your diet. The totality of evidence points to limiting your saturated fat intake to about 10% of total calories per day. It’s a great article.

[@keithtwizzy2700]

Is blue cheese not good??? I mean it's a lot of unsaturated fat

[@CerebralFriction]

All Cheese is good

[@austinmartin9099]

I sensed the bias when you said "LIMIT your drinking. DON'T smoke." I'd argue don't drink as well. 😅

[@Magic_beans_]

That is a curious finding, because as I understand it Flegal, et al. [PMID 23280227] found that even class 2-3 obesity (BMI 25+) presented a hazard ratio of about 1.3 compared to normal weight (BMI 18-25). For low-carb to reach 1.5, my guess is that’s being driven less by low-carb dieters and more by people with a donuts & cheeseburgers lifestyle. (Which, I must admit, is fun while it lasts.)

[@thehylander266]

It’s only fun while it lasts if you enjoy looking fat and having no social life.

[@Magic_beans_]

@@thehylander266 That’s nothing denial and a few enablers can’t solve.

[@ivanorozco4274]

seems to me donuts and cheebugers have plenty of carbs tho

[@stieg_smith]

@@ivanorozco4274 yeah, both fats and carbs barely any protein compared to the other two most of the time

[@thereligionofrationality8257]

Exactly my thoughts. Those are also the folks most likely to smoke, drink excessively and be sedentary.

[@luiscanamarvega]

Carbs and death. My favorite! No wait..

[@big_chungus73]

So going low carb turns you into a smoker so you can have some joy in your life. Got it 😉

[@hotramen5952]

idk how statistically relevant it is, but a lot of people go low and no carb when they get a cancer diagnosis. im also not surprised by the idea that a lot of former smokers have to go no carb to try to be healthy. alot of addicts either have an unhealthy relationship with candy and chips, or develop one when they get clean. so how do you end that, cut them out completely. cant have chips and skittles on keto, even on a cheat day. that said, humans have been eating grains for 30,000. years and we are omnivores. when nuts, fruits, and berries were available to our species during hunter gatherer, we would have gorged on them. grain stores were how we survived poor harvests from ancient Egypt to the Renaissance. to suggest we aren't adapted to thrive off of carbs flies in the face of evolutionary theory imo.

[@roastchestnut5274]

So can we conclude that a low carbohydrate diet leads to nicotine addiction?

[@yew6981]

Why did the low carb eaters tend to smoke more? Seems odd.

[@zgochenour]

Less health-seeking behavior. Layne and Holly talk about this a bit in their critique of the "game changers" documentary

[@yew6981]

@@zgochenour Yes, but that still dumbfounds me. I would expect one who smokes would also tend to consume loads of ultra processed, refined carbs. You'd expect people who don't care to eat healthy to gravitate towards hyper palatable, sugary, high carb food.

[@Jleigh225]

I eat 25 grams of fiber a day on a low carb diet. I think a diet where you’re eating only animal products and little plant won’t add to long term health. You can eat low carb and high fiber, just takes some creativity.

[@cttofr]

“And death” hahaha I’m dead 😂☠️

[@KC-gh1li]

I agree

[@classicgameplay10]

3:20 so people who eat low carb tend to smoke more. Perhaps because they dont get the pleasure of getting sweet things in their mouth, they tend to look a pleasure in other places, such as smoking ? Edit: perhaps the same argument could be made about the exercise. Those who dont eat carbs have less energy to exercise. Endurance athletes even take glicose tablets.

[@1996sarvesh]

How do you know low carb wasn't cheese guac and fried chicken as supposed to healthy keto

[@filipinoblackpill6194]

its best to calorie intake eat twice a day with balance carbs and protein and your good, this should not be no brainer, many people theres a key to live longer but just eat on time and dont eat too much more than your body needs and eliminate processed food and your good to go. just use you common sense

[@joedisilvestro7225]

Just do what works best for you. Damn! Don’t complicate things!!

[@MarquitoRH]

What? … like burgers and fries and milkshakes 7 days a week…

[@joedisilvestro7225]

@@MarquitoRH if thats what you want, sure. But know there are consequences for all of our actions.

[@nandoxus]

For me I find these to be the best sources of each macro Carbs: oats and oranges Protein: chicken breast and milk Fat: olive oil and walnuts

[@Drplaguescp049]

I would ad Carbs: Cream of wheat or cream of rice Protein: Tilapia and egg whites But yes good choices

[@Seanonyoutube]

Different people like different things. But variety is very important as well.

[@ivanorozco4274]

@@Seanonyoutube YES! variety is the constant factor amiss in most diet models I come across

[@TheVintageGamer]

Good thing I love carbs. To a fault... can never lose that last few percentages of body fat

[@syne_ac6260]

Hi

[@JWB671]

If the lower carb people were eating processed foods with vegetable oils in place of unprocessed carb sources they would definitely have poorer health. Probably likely if many of them also smoked.

[@mitesh8utube]

Study: Low carb = Short lifespan. Layn: The confounding factors tho...

[@Dark89Avenger]

I honestly dont care, from what type of source, people get their calories and for me, not eating a certain type of food group, or eating only one type of food group is nothing, but a bizarre modern day luxury. That being said the correlation between higher consumption of carbs and overall healthier life style is very interesting and unexpected.

[@RobotechII]

This is woefully misinformed, do you think ancient people had a cornucopia of options to choose from? Farming is a relatively recent invention. Eating one source of food was the norm and that source is whatever they could get. There were no three course meals and food preservation was limited.

[@Dark89Avenger]

@@RobotechII You have no idea what are you talking about. Agriculture was invented more 12 thousand years ago and humans back then and since then ate a mixed diet based on animal products, grain and fruits and vegetables, dependent on their location and availability.

[@ProgShell]

I’m eating a rice crispy treat and a baked/air fried potato let’s fukkin goooooooooooo

[@Pedant_Patrol]

Is this the same Lancet that had to retract a study on the CV-19 therapeutic that shall not be named?

[@FreeKekistann]

I have heard plenty of bad things about lancet.

[@Aztec_Biomancer]

yes lol the Lancet retracted a 2020 study on hydroxychloroquine, but every journal has occasional retractions, that one just made headlines cause of the politically charged news environment. The Lancet is still a top medical journal

[@FreeKekistann]

@@cincyreds62 I don’t know any specifics, sorry. I’m just constantly hearing negative comments about them.

[@Pedant_Patrol]

@@cincyreds62- In my humble opinion, data were fudged to create a fake study to push the false narrative that hydrox was dangerous, and therefore could not be used as a therapeutic/prophylactic to treat CV-19. The end result was that the vaxines were approved for emergency use and big pharma made a killing, pun intended. It's difficult for me to believe the Lancet wasn't in on this, but who knows.

[@TeamYouphoric]

If I ate 55% carbs I'd feel like 💩. People who eat more meat also tend to smoke more, drink more, exercise less, and be less health conscious overall, so there's that...

[@augustuscaesar5997]

Bullshit....

[@TeamYouphoric]

@@cincyreds62 there are plenty. Here's one of the studies "Vegetarian Dietary Patterns and Mortality in Adventist Health Study 2" Under "BASELINE CHARACTERISTICS" it states: Among the 73 308 individuals in our analytic sample, 5548 (7.6%) were vegans, 21 177 (28.9%) were lacto-ovo-vegetarians, 7194 (9.8%) were pesco-vegetarians, 4031 (5.5%) were semi-vegetarians, and 35 359 (48.2%) were nonvegetarians. Table 2 presents characteristics of the participants at baseline according to the 5 dietary patterns. Percentages and means were age-sex-race standardized as appropriate. Vegetarian groups tended to be older, more highly educated, and more likely to be married, to drink less alcohol, to smoke less, to exercise more, and to be thinner. The proportion of blacks was highest among pesco-vegetarians and lowest in lacto-ovo-vegetarians. Of postmenopausal women, far fewer vegans were receiving hormone therapy. Mean reported duration of adherence to current dietary pattern (not included in Table 2) was 21 years for vegans, 39 years for lacto-ovo-vegetarians, 19 years for pesco-vegetarians, 24 years for semi-vegetarians, and 48 years for nonvegetarians.

[@potatowaffle5653]

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[@TeamYouphoric]

@@augustuscaesar5997 great counterargument...

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[@matthewdancz9152]

Hey, the study your are referencing is an association study. Not a causation study. These kinds of studies do not determine cause and effect. Cofounding factors such as steroid use, consumption of processed foods, smoking, drinking, and any number of other things could also be the cause here. Many randomized controlled studies show no significant difference between consuming plant based fats and animal based fats effect on cardiac events. Saturated fat intake though showed a reduced mortality from stroke events. The randomized controlled studies need to be conducted, and the ones that have been done do not show animal fats as being the cause of heart disease, and stroke. However there is a significant causal effect from trans fats, or hydrogenated vegetable oils that are found in almost every processed food product on American grocery store shelves, which many batter fried foods from fast food restaurants are cooked in. Even not eating anything is better than processed foods, but we know that will cause people to die faster than eating processed foods. I also posted this before I finished the video.

[@davetaitt1528]

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