StarCraft 2: Reynor Confirms IT IS IMBA!

Entirely selflessly Reynor confirms that Protoss indeed is imba in StarCraft 2.
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[@ThePeteriarchy]

This is like Lowko crafting a beautiful sword with how he played this game. And then it turns out the opponent, despite his lack of skill or finesse, pulls out a gun.

[@prophecynewt2250]

Perfectly balanced

[@hellboy19991]

@@prophecynewt2250 as all things should be

[@marcopolo8584]

Reminds me of that zerg player getting flattened by marines only

[@qkey01]

Skytoss is OP because you can't see the immortals under the carriers' models

[@shmidd85]

Time to counter with mass overlords hovering over your ultras =)

[@krenze1164]

@@shmidd85 didn't I believe Elazar lately play a game (Lowko reviewed it) where he just held down the ov button for a minute or two? Maybe this was his strat

[@tesserax8183]

And you have to manually target the immortals or the Hydras will focus the interceptors. Also you can't target the immortals under the interceptors either, and when you finally do you get stormed and have to back up and try again.

[@SeriousApache]

Rax OP, because you can hide widow memes under them

[@Junebug89]

@@tesserax8183 Just dont make armoured stuff, you don't need to go crazy to kill them! Immortals are basically big, slow stalkers if you don't have armoured ground units. Hydras killing interceptors is fine as long as the immortals aren't popping off 50 damage shots every second. Wiping out all the interceptors is actually a legitimate strategy at times.

[@cartermassey9030]

Lowko/IODIS is the greatest crossover of all time

[@danielskrivan6921]

That's how I first saw IODIS, was Lowko's reaction to the first one.

[@tomosko2669]

This is bigger crossover: On Twitch I watched Harstem watching Lowko watching Harstem casting Lowko's IODIS game :D

[@danielskrivan6921]

@@tomosko2669 I hope he posts that video so Lowko can react to it.

[@Enyone]

@@danielskrivan6921 i feel like reynor needs to react to it as well

[@ehik8142]

"It was 6 base vs 3, he is 70 supply behind me and 5 minutes later he won" that is how I feel playing protoss vs terran in brood war

[@TheIardis]

Your combo videos with Harstem rock! :D

[@vzwson4995]

TLDR: You went Ultras and it cost you the game. Womp Womp.

[@seri-ously8591]

Oh my god, he just steamrolls into Lowko's base and everything melts. Jesus, I had my doubts when Lowko said this was dirty, he wasn't wrong.

[@felixitation]

Actually The end si really funny :)

[@earthbind83]

5:50 Cyber Core is about 3 minutes too late. Game is at 2:27 I just love Harstem. XD

[@KoaFidCZ]

14:22 Harstem said word Lowko and Serral in one sentence, that's already compliment

[@countdracula2533]

That was IMBA

[@leagueofdefeat3476]

I think Owko .L and Reynor are both fans from Lowko..

[@Big5ocks]

Damn Harstem can be brutal! ... I love seeing the obvious banter and friendly criticism on these videos! :D

[@XtremeNinja2208]

This was the best collaboration I've ever watched. No kappa

[@naughtynutella2433]

Stop the kap

[@DavyMaxwell3D]

More from Lowko and Hartsem!

[@frosty6960]

this was hilarious, loved it

[@bbsonjohn]

We need more from the Owko L. guy.

[@Vandreand]

He should have his own youtube channel.

[@stanislavmigra]

that Okwo L. was on point. Wanna see more of his analysis.

[@Feraldok]

Its Okwo L.

[@spagettech]

Finally a reporter I can trust

[@flavio-machado]

I actually cried laughing!!!

[@0x1337feed]

yeah when i saw the vid on harstem's channel cried like a new born

[@zzz181085]

I'm screaming my lungs off

[@nomad8473]

Some amateur golfer! Lol

[@mattybhoy6522]

Lowkos a good sport lol.

[@KonradTamas]

Try to use ENSNARE more :)))

[@romas011]

13:40 Harstems analogies are hilarious.

[@johannesblue0]

And on point!

[@4231jerome]

Yeah I really enjoyed ‘to a man with a hammer, every problem looks like a nail’

[@Alex-cf9me]

"Did your opponent play better than you?" Well, not actually - you did all the dirty work yourself

[@wernerviehhauser94]

I'm not good at SC2, but even I would have switched to air units to get away from the immortals

[@hoanganphanle]

@@wernerviehhauser94 erm, exactly what air units again ? Mutalisks get shredded by HTs and Archons, Broodlord is way too slow fight HT, Archons, and can't attack Carriers, Corruptors might not be the best way to counter Immortals, since they can't shoot down, and Vipers are supporting units. You don't switch to air, you switch to Ling, Bane, Infestors, and add some Vipers to the mix. Since Lowko said he's not that good at controlling multiple casters, Ling Bane Infestor with his enormous bank would be more than enough

[@NestedQuantifier]

​@@hoanganphanle brood lord, corrupter. Broodlord kills all on the ground. Corrupters kill air units. A few either vipers or infestors for support. Ling + bane is not a good idea. None of them shoot up. All of them dies to storm and archons. You could probably even spam roaches at this, and that would be better. Lurker corrupters + infestors are fine too. Ground can't deal with lurkers, corrupters can snipe air.

[@dew9103]

@@hoanganphanle hydra corruptor ftw

[@galacticviper4453]

Lowko: if you lose its because your opponent played better Me: Sad cannon rush noises.

[@rozmarinideas5340]

Me: sad dt rush noises.

[@tryhardedgelord]

Well, skill in sc is mostly decision making, discipline and consistency. There are a lot of habits you can develop to be able to tell if a cannon rush is happening, and if you know it's coming it's much easier to defend.

[@rozmarinideas5340]

@@tryhardedgelord the comment's point is that cannon rushes are easier to do than to hold, so worse players often win.

[@killers31337]

@@tryhardedgelord FWIW I'm in Silver as a zerg and I actually like cannon rushes since I can defend against them quite well, and it brings some variety. That's much better than dying from a zealot all-in.

[@tryhardedgelord]

yea i like cannon rushes in pvp too since its super easy to defend vs apes who want free mmr

[@stevenhorstgeorg5728]

Lowko, Okwol, Harstem and Reynor in one Video? Hell yeah!

[@ss5gogetunks]

That Owko L guy is definitely a rising star in the SC2 community.

[@Galdowski]

Dont forget about Harstem's editor Hamster.

[@charlesolarte7104]

idk that owko guy might be lowko, not sure tho

[@swedboot1]

That game where you build things, with the scummy raccoon.🤣🤣

[@SN-ym1sv]

We will never know what he's talking about

[@Jazz-nm1kf]

Lowko reacts to Harstem reacts to Lowko reacts to skytoss

[@victorheredia1762]

Not skytoss

[@ehik8142]

Lowko reacts to Reynor reacts to Harstem reacts to Lowko reacts to Protoss.

[@Alextss]

Does harstem look like a villian for 007

[@snarejayltr842]

Answers yes and he sounds like one too.

[@albertnorman4136]

He sets off my 'uncanny valley' alarms (I think it's his nose), which is completely unfair of me. Especially since there are SC2 figures with actual scandals attached to them, and Harstem isn't one of them as far as google can discern.

[@ktk4068]

especially when he is laughing

[@sptzk7133]

Pwahaha!

[@lowkey_Ioki]

This Okwo L. guy really has it all figured out! Lowko maybe you can learn a thing or two from him.

[@Glitsch99]

I think this Okwo L. Is just Harstem in disguise, he couldent admit openly that toss might be a little op (or a little more) so he createt an fake persona.

[@chingompiew1]

The legendary mediocrelisk returns to win the game ... for your opponent.

[@viniciussardenberg706]

this has me rolling each time i look at it

[@Menevolence]

dude even after 6 years of watching lowko he still makes me laugh keep it up :D

[@svanriakdogermont8123]

You know content is great when you have watched this one live, harstem video and now you are watching this again.

[@You-ul8qw]

Tbh I feel like that toss was actually a zerg player, who probably said something like "toss is so stupid, I'm just gonna abuse all of the tricks they have as much as possible" which is why they opened like that. I could be wrong but it almost feels like that.

[@rozmarinideas5340]

Lol I'm Terran and I play like that when I play Toss because I love a moving carriers while pressing t and watching the whole army disappear. Storms and skytoss are actually fun to play, because everything just dies.

[@lelouchvibritannia7809]

Lol I'm a terran who plays zerg because I think it's absolutely retarded. There are people out there like that. The moment someone started giving me salt about how stupid zerg was, I was just agreeing with him

[@TheSparkart]

Nah, I love playing skytoss.... easy to kill as zerg.... and I love asking skytoss OP? everytime I win.

[@You-ul8qw]

LOwkO prOtoSs is ImbA, In PvP PrOTosS AlwAYs wIns

[@corumsorensen7822]

@@lelouchvibritannia7809 What exactly is OP about zerg?

[@ElendX]

As a protoss player, sending your hydras into a choke point and the ultras onto the immortals sounds like a dream, for the protoss

[@SaltpeterTaffy]

That casual "What's up, idiot?" is amazing.

[@davidholland4713]

Some great insights here, and impartial analysis with cogent metaphors as we've come to expect. My take-home is that everybody is right here. Lowko is right that he massively outplayed his opponent for 90% of the game, but then the protoss maxed and marched across to win, having not ventured out of his base until then. Reynor is right that late-game PvZ is IMBA and pays Lowko very nice compliments on his excellent play. But, sadly, Harstem is also correct that Lowko failed to notice the protoss composition, understandable at first, but not after a couple of failed attacks. I entirely understand this is because Lowko has been facing so many late-game skytoss armies, but to improve he has to have a composition that trades reasonably well with the opponent, and towards the end he did not have that. Perhaps Lowko could also have played according to the maxim, when you're ahead, get more ahead, by taking even more bases, building lots of static defense, and building up more of a bank, whilst continuing to scout the opponent, at least with run-bys, to check his composition. Tech-switching when you have a massive economic advantage is entirely fine, you can afford it.

[@onatkalkan4907]

Thanks that helps a lot. Very good analysis :)

[@Falorik]

I think the whole point is that as Zerg you need to unterstand the game, as Protoss you need to max out

[@Zottyo]

so again, ultralisks are not that ultra... mediocrelisk confirmed again.

[@SomeGuy-ty7kr]

which is still an improvement from where they were, lol

[@Ajion]

I agree man, honestly ultras need a buff, maybe extra dmg to buildings so they can be seen as assault unit that can take down buildings faster. Anything really.

[@cavemantero]

@@Ajion Im down with ultra buffs if they nerf queens...transfuse is the reason they nerfed them in the first place

[@Ajion]

@@cavemantero That is a good point. I agree. SC is always so delicate, when it comes to balance changes.

[@hatshot6057]

They should have nerfed the Queen heal back when Heart of the Swarm came out. But Blizzard made a fanaticism out of "taking things slowly". Even the most obvious problems need 5 years to get addressed. I've made a balance mod... for myself. Just4fun. To the Ultras I did: - make the Ultras a bit smaller, so more than 2 can attack - added a 2nd chitinous thingy armor (whatever it is called) giving another +1 armor, bringing it to a total of +3. Back when LotV came out they buffed the upgrade to 4 armor, it was too strong, yeah, but more importantly WAAAAAAAY too quick. The general idea however might not be all that bad? We will never know. Blizzard is always implementing everything ultra-imbalanced and then wondering why it breaks. (They were doing nothing but wondering for 4 months during LotV beta, anyone remembers?) - tried to add a noob-button for the Ultra (but failed with that stupid editor), which made them not actually faster, but able to push own units. So they're not stuck behind a wall of Roaches. Fck Blizzard.

[@tim_lu]

Sooo Hilarious! I loughed my a$$ off xD You guys are great. Thank you very much Lowko for great Entertainment!

[@taylordana3740]

Harstem is freaking hilarious, I love that guy

[@nabusvco]

31:09 "That smile, that god damn smile"

[@LachimusPrime]

Ohhhh, Lowko 😂👌💩⚓⛴️

[@dijango0015]

Lowko, u just did the "Thomas Edison". U might Not have invented the ultra hydra infestor style, but u popularized it.

[@alesholman801]

Like that one kid who says your joke louder :'(

[@TheGunderian]

Bane - You learned the ultra hydra infestor style, I was born into it

[@strangelpeaceful]

If the other player played better without actually playing, that just means you threw away your units at his defenses, right? Harstem's totally right.

[@superstaralen]

Ya ur protoss lol

[@Junebug89]

@@superstaralen I mean is he wrong? Lowko attacked into a choke, with ultras, against immortals. Ultras are bad against either of those things, the two of them together and you get... well, the above game.

[@orkhepaj]

protoss built a wall , and lowko smashed his head into it 3 times , who is the better player ?:D

[@ninjachihuahua4843]

@@superstaralen yeah this dude is just below bronze. Go back playing Campaign.

[@bertlemoi431]

lowko, i'd like to correct you on your "when you lose, your opponent played better" saying. in my experience it is actually, "when you lose, you played worse than your opponent". because if rts taught me one thing it is that i most often didnt have the right answer to let's say a "silly question." but i feel you. toss in late game is so ridiculous...

[@TheGunderian]

Winston Churchill said the winner of WWII would be "...the leader who made the least amount of blunders." In fact he and Hitler made many, but the West made at least one fewer

[@carnage2332]

Harstem looks like the happy version of that food critic from Ratatouille. Just destroying Lowko like that dude destroyed Gusteus.

[@Wings012]

The one who plays best doesn't win, it's who makes critical mistakes who loses. The Protoss might not have been playing 'well' so to speak, but I don't think they made any outrageous mistakes either. Was there actually a need to be on the offensive here? Potential 10 bases vs 4, just box him in with lots of static defenses, keep harassing and starve him out.

[@superstaralen]

How could the protoss make mistakes? He literally did nothinf the whole game lol

[@Fenpwet]

I kind of agree with you, but the point is that Protoss can just sit in their base until they're maxed out and at that point Zerg can't do anything anymore so you HAVE to try to do something. It's just that you need to try the right thing, and having contained protoss like that, vipers would have been a better choice. Now if you couldn't contain the protoss it gets a lot dirtier...

[@nefas909]

The Protoss also gave a lot of time for Lowko to prepare. Headbutting with the wrong army composition in the same choke multiple time in a row is not the right move and you can't really blame balance when doing that lead to a loss. Sure dealing with turtly players isn't the most fun but that doesn't mean the game is imbalanced.

[@RenonTTV]

@@Fenpwet bro, you give serral this situation with how many upgrades, bases, and creep lowko had, he would never lose. Lowko was like a cat with 9 lives here, going into a gun fight with a knife. Just keeps getting blasted, comes back later, not with a bazooka that he could afford, but with another knife... over and over.

[@Fenpwet]

@@RenonTTV To be fair though, zerg bazooka sucks... Most of the times you go bazooka the other side has a friggin railgun so there's no point. As a zerg if the knife doesn't work, don't go bazooka, go with more knives. What Lowko was going for here is the economy war. You lose all your fights in the chokepoint, but your economy is a lot stronger, so if you can trade badly but take even a little bit every times, eventually you will outproduce them. If Serral and Reynor can do it doesn't mean everyone can. And Lowko is by no means a low level player. If Lowko can't do it then most people can't.

[@vincentchow6448]

This was so good that I watched it twice, first on Harstem's channel and now on Lowko's channel. Freaking hilarious. Really could have used some spines/spores to box in the turtle toss.

[@naughtynutella2433]

The golfer you're talking about is absolutely not serral am i right

[@fckihate69jokes]

just a local finnish golfer, yep.

[@naughtynutella2433]

@@fckihate69jokes yep just a little golf noob

[@Kleinerdeal97]

@@naughtynutella2433 i heard that he casually plays Starcraft

[@HeshoCopter]

we are still taking about serral but not talking about serral right xD xD

[@gabrielgarciana3393]

Is a friend of Owko

[@ZDarabos]

I started to watch Harstem because of you Lowko, now I came back from his channel to watch this. The circle is complete.

[@ethanaleman]

Instead of cool guys in Lord of the Rings its Lowko lol

[@ervanngaraffa]

macro is important, taking fights correctly also is. The toss took ok fights, Lokwo took very poor engagements.

[@Menevolence]

BROOO THIS IS ACTUALLY SO GOOD , OWKO XD yo keep doing this with harstem please

[@SomeGuy-ty7kr]

I think re: microbial shroud, he was mostly reiterating the point of ultra v. immortal, namely, you misidentified your primary threat.

[@kirito3082]

in fact, when you a-move a flying unit, it prioritizes units that can shoot up, so the primary damage of the carriers will often go into the hydras, not the ultra

[@andrewrobinson5179]

I think the racoon is an Animal Crossing reference

[@mancamiatipoola]

That ending was fucking hilarious! Lowko, my frend, this game was a classic example of "how to beat myself". I like how you are still defending yourself after watching this replay a few times and knowing what you did wrong. Ah, the ego is a wonderful thing. Lack of proper scouting, lack of proper unit countering, lack of taking the whole map when you see an opponent turtling, lack of vipers in endgame ZvP, using your infestors wrong (btw, microbial shroud is NOT dark swarm, in case you were confusing it with the SC BW ability) and attacking into choke points multiple times and canceling your own army numbers advantage (have you seen 300?). Mistakes were made, but i think the biggest one was not identifying the enemy army comp correctly. But hey, your creep spread and macro were great! Lowko, as Reynor sayd, you are a beast!

[@Dankilicious123]

i kinda get what you're saying here but at the end of the day this toss was never going to move out so what are you really supposed to do? the real kicker here is the difficulty required for protoss to win a game is incrementally less than what zerg and terrans have to do game in and game out. theres nothing that requires a lower skill cap to do and has the same level of strength than what this toss did right here. yeah it was stupid to attack into a choke multiple times and not use any casters but then again there shouldn't be any type of strat like what the toss was doing in the game in the first place. good players should be good because they actually have to do things that win games as in great macro, multitasking, etc. the way skytoss is currently set up it requires actually not a single bit of that. this sounds a lot like a diamond toss trying to defend himself that way blizz doesn't nerf his stupid fucking low skill cap strategy that would absolutely run his win rates into the gutter if taken out of the game. ^^^

[@cartherturingan]

This is the comedy I needed HAHAHAHA

[@dainiusfigoras]

it felt like having 20 000 marines with pistols trying to attack 100 tanks and thinking - no way we can loose with so many marines.

[@CrownPrinceEscalus]

Starcraft players focus too much on the RT part of RTS, but sometimes, S is important too.

[@repHAWAIIxJPN]

The bad player doesn’t have to play good if the good player plays bad at the right moment Gotta love 20/20 hindsight

[@SagaraUrz]

Skytoss is like building the wonder on Age of Empires, if you can't stop it before they are finished, you lose.

[@mr_clean575]

Not me subconsciously trying to unpause the video when Lowko has paused Harstem.

[@zkhydro4985]

9:58 I've seen that guy. Under the glasses i know it's Mr. Imp Foster.

[@libetop]

Honestly I agree with Lowko, these tosses need so far less skills to win these games than the zergs

[@wush2570]

Oh Lowko oh Lowko i knew what harstem was gonna target before he made the video

[@nomad8473]

Can not deny the importance of scouting. It is like most of the zerg game.

[@Shmandalf]

Reynor telling Harstem to leave his own show with all the trophies in the background is just too good.

[@cravingkawasaki]

Honestly, if lowko and harstem replaced tastosis, when they're ready to move on, I would love it

[@Paulito122]

You cant expect winning with only hydras....you could have use nidus worm for attacks away from the main army and then retreat. The protoss cant do anything against that with that army because it is too slow

[@Paulito122]

@Ignasle i agree

[@rykehuss3435]

Funny how it was actually Reynor's fault that Zerg got nerfed

[@kelles5587]

I love the 'he actually left guys' from reynor

[@andresaguilar8101]

I've never laughed as much in a video in youtube in my life!!!! Jajajajajaja Gonna have to find the other video where you "sucked" cuoted in the end.

[@jakeargon3662]

Playing Zerg on the ladder against airtoss and Terran doing dumb medivac drops with a siege tank and 16 marines is the most unplayable thing ever 😂

[@ericbrown175]

I felt this

[@lordlopikong6940]

HAHA 4-5 consecutive drops go brrrrr

[@tarnyowl6068]

Dropper lord them right back.

[@Keln02]

Think getting called out by the Reynor deserves a mic drop

[@SN-ym1sv]

This is the funniest thing i ever saw in my life 'the face of a protoss player" u guys should only collab a more iconic duo then batman and Robin, Rick and Morty..

[@TheGunderian]

The next one should be Harstem complaining Zerg are OP, then Lowko as the Bond villian

[@grudley]

As a backseat gamer, it seems like there's two things to improve: 1. Army comp decisions and pivots 2. Attacking multiple points at once, and/or rotating, and not always directly confronting the strong immortal army (or skytoss as the case may be) in a choke point

[@kaurpold9706]

Its not about learning to play better, its about proving that this is the top play and yet still lost. Only thing left to do is scream more in forums:D

[@grudley]

The narrative is that playing better means getting a very spellcaster heavy army and going to 696 APM while attacking in three places at once, but it seems like this Protoss won by identifying Lowko's army comp and pivoting from heavy carrier void ray skytoss to heavy on immortals (like in Lowko's previous IODIS) and templars. It seems like he can make easier to implement improvements with being more flexible about army comp and positioning. With 17 bases, he had fair bit of money to build tech. Two pronged attacks are higher APM too, but rotating is not. He rotated once and seemed to do alright there, but didn't keep up the zerg roulette

[@grudley]

*it seems like this Protoss pivoted, responding to Lowko's army comp, where Lowko did not

[@tigera6]

@@grudley It seems weird to me that Terran do Medivac drop all the time, and Toss also has the Warp Prism to drop army into enemy main base. Yet, its entirely out of the mind of Zerg players that you can Overlord drop army into enemy main base.

[@csmlouis]

Harstem called it. Dank Lowko defeated Livestream Lowko to fulfill the imba prophecy.

[@bonar1211]

as a toss player, one thing that scared me when zerg player achieved to spread their tumors in front of the doors is zerg's mobility And i m pretty sure rotating with carriers and high templars is hard as their ms is so low. I suggest you Lowko or other zerg players, when you facing this type of situation, split army into two. Attack their third and fourth. But those attack are only mean to buying time. When the toss really split their armies to follow up your attacks. Then merge your army, with zerg speed. Really, this is will destroy all toss. Really, as a toss player. I sometimes wonder, why Zerg always malding about their armies power. For me, zerg design for speed and cheap (aside of the composition armies). if you guys doubt with this. I dare you to try this kind of play style of the toss. And you will know, that its really weak. you just need to know their army position and abuse it with zerg speed, and more likely if your tumors in front of toss doors

[@lynk_1240]

I watched this on Harstem's channel yesterday and that last minute had me laughing so hard I couldn't breathe!

[@LachimusPrime]

Right?! And now this 😂😂👌💩⚓⛴️

[@RockeroNato]

but no, he didnt play better. he just had an army he can just A move and storm his way to a win

[@SomeGuy-ty7kr]

I think technically it's more that his opponent didn't play better, lowko just played a lot worse at the end (screwed up his composition)

[@christophkuntz8523]

hm, I think,... well 2 years and some patches later... you know that you can beat this with hydra ling (maybe a few banelings) (and maybe if you really want to cast something, you can use 3 infestors and 2-3 vipers additionally). Acutally the Immortals have a lot of burst damage but with cracklings (3/3 or 0/3 ??) no problem, use the vipers to abduct carriers and there is no way that a 4 base eco can replace that. Well, one more thing. Sun Zu said, don't attack an enemy who is above your position. Don't attack the strong position at least, but attack where the enemy is weak. That is no unique special master/GM knowledge, and that is not even SC2 knowledge, that is just how to act with some awareness of the situation. Don't want to flame or roast or anything else, just the hint. Sorry but it is far away from imba, I'd rather call it imba, if you beat this with zerglings and some abducts.

[@Brooke-rw8rc]

Lowko, you only lost because you didn't make any Harvesters to cast Entangle. And don't forget to get the Shimmering Lights upgrade from your Pestilence Cavern!

[@Jones-ke6bt]

Bl corrupter would have obliterated that army.

[@distopic9722]

i mean, finally someone admit that, i want my 700mmr back now.

[@Divert486]

Such a great video i have no qualms watching it on both channels.

[@Etropalker]

Im absolutely no SC2 expert, but I wouldnt say the protoss did nothing, he constantly inflicted damage to the zerg, who was nice enough to come to his great defensive position. Protoss got the time he needed to build the perfect army to smash lowkos, and used it well. Aside from 1: Getting static defence for when that attack comes(hes a protoss, even I could see that coming) and 2: Using units that pick of and harass instead of headbutt (2 things already mentioned in the video) I would suggest 3: Instead of whining about "he beat me while I was practically on 10-bases!" ACTUALLY be on 10-bases. While this would limit army supply(see point 1, idk if thats enough to fix that), it makes the "inefficient" trades of this game "effiicent", since 2:1 trades are now slightly in your favour (10 is greater than 2*4, I checked). TL;DR: If your opponent turtles and never leaves his base, he is reliant on your own attacks for damage AND scouting(seeing what he needs to counter). You should either A) Also turtle, but on more bases(points 1 and 2), or B)Take basically every base, and grind through his army with constant attacks(point 3). Believe it or not, Im actually trying to be constructive.

[@Arnianor]

Look at the APM difference: 320 (Lowko) vs 152 (ÔlÔ) yet Zerg still loses horribly. Now just try to imagine the pain at lower levels, where APM isn't that high on the Zerg side (and more mistakes done), where players, despite knowing very well about Infestors and Vipers avoid those units, because they know full well they don't have the skill and/or apm to use them. If a switch has been done to corruptors as was suggested, the toss would just have made more void rays, and the result would have been the same. Just look at recent pro PvZ skytoss games... the bests, even Serral, are getting destroyed if they can't close the game fast enough. (Regarding the APM, you can see the average detail here, on lowko's cast of this game: kzbin.info/www/bejne/inO6d4aHptR6ldk)

[@TripWithTheMoon]

When the Immortal can fly, you will wish this back!

[@bloodya1832]

i think drinking something while watching was a bad idea... now my nose hurt and i have to clean my keybaord for all those moments that got me offguard laughing so hard...

[@FirstLast-gk6lg]

Ultras should be able to step on and squish smaller enemy units like Templar

[@ericbrown175]

Watched it last night and literally was like “wow I’ve been here at least 75 times”

[@TheAgavi]

Protoss can fuck up over and over again against zerg and still be in the game. Zerg only gets to fuck up once. If you have to play an absolutely flawless game to beat a protoss who isn't also playing flawlessly then it's imba.

[@tallformyage]

Love Lowko, love Harstem. This video was hilarious and awesome. Would love to see a video with you two AND uThermal. Get all the Dutch boys together! Do more collaborations! Brilliant!

[@kurzackd]

Lowko is clearly the better player here, but he didn't lose due to imba. He lost because he just kept pointlessly wasting his units. It would have been enough to win if, at any of his assaults after the 20:00 minute mark, he would split his army for multiple-pronged attacks across the entire front of the protoss base, rather than trying to engage only into that one choke and nowhere else.

[@ryanopfer9367]

Loko talks about how the Protoss hasn’t seen his side of the map all game and doesn’t take advantage of it... loko is better than this..

[@benjaminlear1619]

Okay but... Lack of being able Micro is why there's us regular people and then the pros.

[@InventingNewWorld]

Lowko, there is a telling - "only enemy - is yourself", this fight you list to yourself :)

[@Adamlovag1]

Noted. Kill your own own Hatchery first. Gonna try that tactic. Thanks

[@janosbugog989]

Classic ultras into loss...

[@bernardo.bridon]

Alright it was uber fun but now it begs the question: Memes aside, was it actually imba or Reynor was just memeing and Lowko just sucked?

[@TritonTv69420]

I love how defensive lowko is with harstem's critisism. Haha. Great video. I watch both of you and winter and it's nice to see good collabs. Everyone is banking on sc2 staying healthy. Dope video.

[@zzz181085]

I had a rough week at work, but this video was a blessing. Thank you both. Edit: I feel your pain Lowko

[@maine843]

To be fair Lowko did everything cause me personally being a Protoss player I can say that Skytoss is annoying during the late game and me personally I don't like it it is either my last resort or none at all so don't give up Mr. Lowko ya got this :)) also am a big fan of your content.

[@Juice-chan]

Fantastic episode. I did choke on my coffee. XD Keep it up! I don't even play Starcraft but enjoy watching your videos.

[@Glitsch99]

I love how there's no call on Harstems phone while he is "talking to raynor" xD

[@Heavenlyrules]

i cried while Laughing the Shit out of this 🤣 last 10 minutes was hilarious

[@h4hyena]

Lowko's reaction channel. Okwol news!

[@thomasbaynymand7508]

you said it yourself, he had 3 bases vs 6 and he still beat you. Its the micro ;)