Lucas Fuel Treatment vs. Marvel Mystery Oil

[@Halenrocks5150]

I really appreciate how scientific your test was. You really analyzed the results with price, fuel economy, cost, etc... very impressive and thorough! I use Lucas right now and appreciate the safe & consist results.

[@PanzerPlatform]

Yo Brian, Thanks for watching, and the kind words. -Chuck

[@spudbuilt]

I had a 1995 oldsmobile royal 88 that had a stuck valve and i dumped since of the MMO and it fixed it and ran great. Had the same issue on a genie boom lift like a 4 cylinder gas engine out of a ford ranger but worse. It was running on like 2 cylinders but once I dumped MMO in it fixed it and I still use the lift to this day. I do use the Lucas also but I do like the MMO better. Honestly I love the smell of the MMO

[@PanzerPlatform]

Hey David, Thanks for watching, and taking time to comment. And thanks for the feedback, I'm sure passers by will appreciate the good info. The first whiff of MMO did strike me as pleasant. It's the second, and third that I can feel it killing my brain cells. -Chuck

[@patrickquirk-qz8ri]

Used Lucas mostly, mmo good stuff too.

[@scottdowney4318]

MMO has more solvents, so it cleans better. ULSD is hard on diesel fuel injection systems because it removes lubricity, so adding MMO can only help lubricity. It actually makes it more attractive to me for diesel use.

[@PanzerPlatform]

Right on Scott, Thanks for watching, and the good feedback. -Chuck

[@monson2121]

Been using MMO for 50 year's in my cars and trucks my 2000 s 430 with 400,000 miles has no rattles, no knocks dam good stuff.

[@PanzerPlatform]

Right on Monson, Thanks for stopping in. -Chuck

[@matterickson5993]

I've used both and still do all the time - I have also used more solvent based cleaners like Liqui Moly Jectron and those work great but I think they can be a little too strong if used on only 1/2 tank. The good thing about Lucas is that you can't really overuse it because it isn't solvent based, it just lubricates the fuel system. I've added a full bottle to only a few gallons with no problems at all. I mainly use MMO in the crankcase.

[@PanzerPlatform]

Yo Matt, Thanks for stopping in. -Chuck

[@patrickquirk-qz8ri]

Lucas all the way in the fuel.

[@miker5502]

Very thorough review..thanks for taking the time and effort to bring this to the public. Cheers Mike.

[@PanzerPlatform]

Yo Mike, Thanks for the kind words. -Chuck

[@gbounit]

Well done... I have both and alternate on my carbonated Harley (1999 FLHR), and have zero complaints. I do a full bottle of Sea Foam about every quarter. So far so good, since 2012.

[@PanzerPlatform]

Right on G, Thanks for watching, and taking the time to comment. -Chuck

[@taylorjakabosky7693]

I like how you presented your real scientific evidence. Much better than saying "I think it sounds quieter.."

[@PanzerPlatform]

Yo Taylor, Thanks for the kind words. Are either of these "snake oils" working for your application? lol -Chuck

[@taylorjakabosky7693]

Well, I had to drive several hours to Denver so I decided to try one. I have a 06 Crown Vic P71 with 200k miles. I used 2 Lucas deep clean, 3 Lucas high mileage fuel system cleaners, and 1 Lucas octane booster(1 with each fill up) in the past 2 weeks. It seems to have increased my mpg by a bit. Wish I had real numbers to show for it, but I didn't keep track as well as you! :)

[@PanzerPlatform]

Thanks for the feedback. The good news is; These products only provide a temporary effect on fuel economy. Once you discontinue use, your vehicle will return to it's "original", or "baseline" MPG. How long? It's hard to say. Based on my testing, I estimate 3 tankfuls of plain untreated fuel will "wash away" the lubricity effect on the fuel injectors, valves, valve seats, upper cylinder walls, etc. (especially with 10% Ethanol Gasoline, 100% pure gasoline not so much). So after 3 tankfuls of untreated fuel, you'll have the opportunity to measure your "untreated MPG". After you obtain that baseline figure, your ready to measure your "treated MPG". -Chuck

[@jaredglass2562]

Mmo did cause a check engine light to come on in my 2013 ram 5.7 when I ran it too rich. After that tank was burnt the light went back out. With that being said I love the stuff. It soaks into metal. Test it by putting metal into a tub of it. I quit putting it in my fuel because I heard it was hard on your exhaust converters. I do mix it in to my engine oil and it has done well for the last 100k miles ( time will tell) .

[@PanzerPlatform]

Right on JG, Thanks for the good feedback. What was the check engine light code? (example: P0170) -Chuck

[@Lucille69caddy]

You used too much MMO in your tank, then. I’ve used MMO in the fuel tanks of all of my vehicles, past and present, since 1984. 4 oz/10 gals of fuel and no problems, EVER.

[@thurm101]

Been using MMO for years. Even used in my lawn mower.

[@PanzerPlatform]

Yo Thurman, Thanks for watching. -Chuck

[@RobertNES816]

Same. I use MMO in just about everything.

[@stevegunderson2392]

MMO is Wintergreen to me, reminds me of Lifesavers candy!

[@PanzerPlatform]

Right on Steve, Thanks for watching. -Chuck

[@AmericanConstellation]

I really like both of these products. I use em both.

[@PanzerPlatform]

Right on PDP, Thanks for watching. Me too, they both have their pros & cons. -Chuck

[@unwrangler11]

Thanks for your detailed comparison between Lucas and MMO.

[@PanzerPlatform]

Thanks for watching. -Chuck

[@HoustonITConsulting]

Excellent comparison Chuck! Thanks so much. I've been using Lucas in my truck for years but I wound up buying my Father-In-Law's truck and he was using MMO (for how long I'm not for sure because he passed recently). I'll probably switch to Lucus on his truck just to make it easier and keep both vehicles on the same product. I have a tendency to not measure like I should and I don't want to risk putting too much and screwing things up by over use. Your video saved the day and saved me a bunch of time. Thanks again!

[@PanzerPlatform]

Right on HIT, Thanks for watching. -Chuck

[@eldredge5760]

The commentary is awesome. Did appreciate the info and humor.

[@PanzerPlatform]

Thanks for watching. -Chuck

[@erikhorne846]

Informative and appreciated. Was considering switching from Lucas to MMO I think I’ll stick with Lucas!

[@PanzerPlatform]

Yo Erik, Thanks for watching. -Chuck

[@afgdoncorleone4010]

Thank you for taking the time to educate us on your research…

[@PanzerPlatform]

Right on AFG, Thanks for stopping in. -Chuck

[@ChristopherGilmore]

So, the emissions sensitive equipment they are talking about is for newer (2011 and up) diesel truck. The emissions equipment in them (EGR, catalytic converter, and especially the DPF and SCR) is what is so sensitive to the increased amount of sulfur in fuel. It causes a poor regeneration and when it does regenerate, it creates more Ash and soot that plugs them up quickly. However, if you have an "off road" diesel, you'll be fine running it. And actually, having the additional sulfur in the fuel lubricates the high pressure fuel pump much better. Research diesel CP4 failure, and see what I mean. Only in the U.S. where we have ULSD do these pumps fail so heavily. In other countries where the sulfur content is still high they don't have it like that. Great video though, I appreciate your scientific approach to it.

[@PanzerPlatform]

Yo Christopher, Thanks for watching, and your kind words. I feel sorry for you diesel guys. It seems like the government wants to choke your vehicles out of existence. I wonder why that is. -Chuck

[@bstfordchannel923]

I like the Marvel , but i have not used it in years ... I may have to get down with it very sooon

[@PanzerPlatform]

After seeing my test results, I'm a believer in these two products. Some will say both of these products are snake oil. To that I would say, it appears Lucas is using higher quality snakes.

[@jonasbarnhart8697]

My fuel pump started making noise, so I just dumped some mmo in the gas to add some lubricity to the gas

[@PanzerPlatform]

Right on JB, Thanks for watching. That oughta show 'em. lol -Chuck

[@richardstone5241]

I use MMO on engines with carburetors only! It works great on small engines (like my riding mower) with over 500 hours on it.

[@PanzerPlatform]

Thanks for watching. -Chuck

[@richardstone5241]

@@PanzerPlatform You're welcome, great channel!

[@shawndubay4050]

Hey does the MMO work good for cleaning small engine carburetors. I think I have a slightly dirty carburetor resulting in it running lean and want to completely clean it out. Runs struggled with choke open but smooths out with partial choke.

[@richardstone5241]

@@shawndubay4050 I would pull the float bowl and clean the main jet with carb cleaner. Then, if that works make sure you add MMO to the fuel and run it. I add MMO to all of my fuel.

[@shawndubay4050]

@@richardstone5241 that sounds like a great plan. How much MMO would you use for a five gallon gas tank?? It's a V twin engine on a walk behind that I'm working on.

[@franknew9001]

Chuck, based on your comments on the strong minty aroma that MMO has, I would think that you will be using Lucas in the future. I was in Walmart yesterday, and had the gallon size Lucas in my hand and was very tempted to purchase it, but remembered a comment by a Lucas and MMO user and he said that Lucas got very thick in very cold weather. It is only mid November, and we have already had several nights with lows about 20 degrees F. I always have at least 3 bottles of MMO in a box in my trunk with 4 to 6 ounces in each one. I like to put the MMO in the tank at the gas station just before I pump the gas. That way, I feel the MMO is getting better mixed with the gas. I noticed the Lucas is now $25.97 a gallon at Walmart, and I might buy a gallon when I go back down to Florida with some warmer weather. I have never had any issues with MMO in my trunk in very cold weather. Maybe you could do a little experiment for me, and put some Lucas in a plastic bottle and put it in your freezer for a few hours. Then after a few hours, pour the Lucas into another container as if you were putting it into the gas tank to see how thick and fast it pours. If you do put Lucas in the freezer, remember to tell your wife or girlfriend that the Lucas is not gravy for the Thanksgiving turkey. LOL Frank

[@PanzerPlatform]

I just might do that. Seeing how the Lucas is pafafin based, it just may give my wife's cooking some flavor.

[@Fred-F4]

Great analysis! I personally use LX4+clean-boost-maxx and locus, but will try MMO. Scotty bad mouthed it and so I was hesitant to use it

[@PanzerPlatform]

Thanks for watching. -Chuck

[@dannyo6699]

I've used MMO for a number of years now and haven't had bad results with it. Though I found in a 20-gallon tank, 6 oz seems to be a good mix rate which is 3 oz/10 gallons. In my 2000 Dodge Caravan with a 3.0L engine, it seemed to run a bit off when I ran the higher ratio, but when I cut it back, it ran like a champ. I got 27 mpg with that van. Then there is also the side benefit of additional lubrication provided by the MMO, like the video noted.

[@spirorevelis7100]

Awwwe, c'mon. MMO doubles as lumber jack aftershave.

[@PanzerPlatform]

Yo Spiro, Thanks for watching. And I think you gave a valid point. lol -Chuck

[@roymackeys]

Thanks for the video!!! Well done! Pretty well covered every dam thing so that making a choice is easy depending on your circumstances. I might just run it the odd time here and there... hmmmm...

[@PanzerPlatform]

Thanks for watching. -Chuck

[@someparts]

I use about half that amount per gallon...roughly 4oz per 20 gallon tank - and only every other tank or so. Have used both but have used Marvel a lot longer. Both will make a lawnmower run if it had old gas in it, haha.

[@PanzerPlatform]

Yo Some, Thanks for stopping in. -Chuck

[@Marximarks]

Great video on cost analysis on gas treatment. I personally haven’t used either one of your test subjects (I’ve used Techron and Sea Foam) but your detailed cost comparison caught my interest. You obviously did a very thorough job on it. To add, I think that to make a decision to treat or not and which one to use if you want to treat, you have to consider the total cost of the gas and the treatment after 15k miles. Yes, the Lucas is cheaper but the MMO gives you better mpg (less fuel used). So, using your figures, the total cost for gas + Lucas treatment is $$2957 and the MMO is $2963. So the actual savings in using Lucas is $6 not $62. But your figures show that adding gas treatment still saved you money compared to no treatment.

[@PanzerPlatform]

Right on Marx, Thanks for stopping in, and the kind words. -Chuck

[@garypratt1453]

You raised very good situations

[@PanzerPlatform]

Thanks for watching. -Chuck

[@Tortolo-fs5gx]

Thank you 😊

[@PanzerPlatform]

Right on RS, Thanks for watching. -Chuck

[@bobbyyoung2831]

MMO will foul your catalytic converter it will also foul your O2 sensors if you use too much I know from experience I know from experience. I still use it in my oil in my gasoline I only use 4 oz per tank which is 30 gallons

[@PanzerPlatform]

Right on Bob, Thanks for stopping in, and the good feedback. -Chuck

[@markberos8028]

Great job! Thank you 👍🏻

[@PanzerPlatform]

Thanks for watching. -Chuck

[@marcfrancechi336]

Chuck, you provided an excellent analysis and useful information, regarding the use of these two fuel additives! I am an owner and operator of a Cessna-150 Aircraft. It uses 100LL AV gas. I and many of my pilot friends use MMO in their fuel. Was considering The use of switching to Lucas Fuel treatment! Would like to hear your comments or thoughts on that? Your help is greatly appreciate it! Thank you

[@PanzerPlatform]

Right on Marc, Thanks for stopping in, and the kind words. I thought you aviation guys preferred TC-W3; www.walmart.com/ip/seort/16795065 It’s cheaper, and more “concentrated”. Keep in mind Lucas Fuel Treatment is unpourable around freezing temperatures, and the MMO flows just fine all the way down to -20℉. Any brand, or type of “snake oil” is going to add lubricity to the fuel. Some people even use waste engine oil, or discarded fast food french fry oil, (I read they filter it first). The trick is figuring out which works best for your intended application, and the optimal mixture ratio. -Chuck

[@littleflapjack]

Great videos, really appreciate your advice and time spent helping. I fill up at Sam's club here in baton rouge, LA... currently @ $1.91 / gal 🖕😎 ... I am thinking about using the MMO to help lube the fuel pump gaskets and get some better economy than my current 22 mpg. I have an 07 marquis that I drive @ 70 mph for 150 miles/day commuting. Since I am putting so many miles on the car, do you think MMO will eventually do any damage to the catalytic converter? I have heard that an engine burning oil will hurt the cats🐯?

[@PanzerPlatform]

Hey J, 150 miles x 5 days a week is 750. 750 miles a week is 3,000 a month. At 22MPG, you would use up a gallon of Lucas Fuel Treatment in 3 months. I would try the Lucas first. The price just jumped to $26/ Gallon on Amazon, and Walmart. Also try using using your cruise control when ever possible. It really helps boost the MPG's. I've also heard oil in the exhaust stream will damage catalysts. Keep me posted. -Chuck

[@franknew9001]

@ J penni I started using MMO in the gas of my 2002 Lincoln Town Car and my 2002 Chevy box truck back in 2016 at the suggestion of my mechanic who had just replaced the fuel pump in my truck. He said the MMO will lubricate the fuel pump and if used as directed, will not harm the catalytic converter. I have been using MMO for 3 years at 4 ounces for every 10 gallons of gas in both vehicles with no issues with the cats. Since using MMO in my Lincoln, my highway mpg has increased an extra 1.5 to 2 mpg, if not a little more. I am actually saving money using MMO with the increase in mpg, plus the added cleaning and lubricating benefits that MMO provides. I am guessing that your 2007 Marquis has the same 4.6 liter engine that my 2002 Lincoln has. I would think that if you used MMO on a regular basis, you would eventually see an increase in the highway mpg in your car. The $1.91 gas price is great. The best price that I have recently seen here in Maryland is $2.19. I was happy to get $1.99 gas at a BP station in South Carolina on a recent trip from Florida to Maryland. Frank

[@sehuroka]

Great job mi friend, thank you.

[@PanzerPlatform]

Right on Sehuroka, Thanks for stopping in. -Chuck

[@garypratt1453]

Yes i use in lawnmower gas too

[@PanzerPlatform]

Thanks for watching. -Chuck

[@slc9800gtx]

Very good review.

[@PanzerPlatform]

Thanks for watching. -Chuck

[@707SonomaComa]

Is it best to use the MMO in the Gas Tank and the Crankcase?

[@PanzerPlatform]

Right on 707, I've never used any additive in my oil crankcase. I've only used these in my fuel tank. -Chuck

[@Todjcam]

Did you ever get around to testing the super tech tc-w3?

[@PanzerPlatform]

Right on Smoke, I sure did. Long story short it did not work for my application. I still have 3/4 of a gallon sitting on the shelf, I don't know what to do with. But don't let that stop you. Many, many other people have reported it works as well, or better depending on their application. -Chuck

[@HTXJM]

So ls the MMO safe to put in diesel fuel in a 2013 f250?

[@PanzerPlatform]

Right on J, Thanks for watching. Make sure to follow the recommended mixture ratio listed on the back of the bottle. -Chuck

[@ajf4693]

MMO ruined my O2 sensors. If you read carefully it states that it is not compliant with the federal low sulfur content. And I just recently found out that sulfur kills your O2s and catalytic converter. It ruined my manufacture o2s after a bottle of MMO 4oz at filling up the tank ever 3 tanks. Had to replace O2s and went head and used MMO again and it damaged them again. Because of being on my 2nd set of O2s damaged I came to the conclusion that it was indeed MMO(Marvel Mystery Oil). Now I’m on my 3rd set of O2s and not planning on using it ever again in my gas tank.

[@PanzerPlatform]

Right on AJF, Thanks for watching, and the good feedback. What is the YEAR / MAKE / MODEL of your car? -Chuck

[@ajf4693]

@@PanzerPlatform 09 Mazda 6 iSv

[@WJHandyDad]

my check engine light is on (mine personally, not on any of my vehicles), is it because I drank too much MMO, would the Lucas counteract that and fix me? Oh, and I'm not a bot

[@PanzerPlatform]

That would explain your limp mode recently.

[@JeepersCreekersLouisiana]

I wonder what it saves on engine components. Have you ever added any to your crank case?

[@PanzerPlatform]

Yo David, Thanks for watching. I've been working on cars for 30 years. Never, not once have I ever put an additive in my engine oil crankcase, in any of my personally owned vehicles. So, I have no experience in that regard. Sorry, I'm no help. -Chuck

[@carolj.3175]

I added it to my 2000 Monte Carlo and it ran very well. Owned 17 years, very tight engine. Never straight though only about a third of the amount needed.

[@Jeepdriver75]

What are you using now that Lucas is over $30 per gallon?

[@PanzerPlatform]

Right on TP, Thanksf for watching. You are correct. The current price for the Lucas Gallon at my local Walmart is $30.18; www.walmart.com/ip/seort/45819324 - Based on my records, and driven mileage these snake oils save $100 annually in fuel cost. But, I should probably come clean, and tell you that I don't use them to save money. I'm using them in the hopes to prevent rust in my fuel tanks, and prolong the life of my fuel pumps. Due to the negative effects of ethanol in our gasline supply, (E10). In my region 100% pure gasoline is not available, so I have to purchase the watered down 10% ethanol version. It's difficult to make a KZbin video experiment quantifying the results of rust build up, and fuel pump replacements. So I chose to just show the fuel econony aspect of these products. To answer your question, I still like the Lucas over the MMO for my specific appliations. -Chuck

[@Jeepdriver75]

@@PanzerPlatform thanks for the reply, greatly appreciated!

[@southerncross3638]

And worth every penny.

[@G93KMA]

How often is it recommended to use these fuel injector cleaners??

[@PanzerPlatform]

Hello, No automobile manufactures recommend these additives. These are use at your own risk. -Chuck

[@johnr5545]

Thanks god bless

[@PanzerPlatform]

Thanks for watching. -Chuck

[@freddyflintstoned913]

How about using both at the same time?

[@PanzerPlatform]

Yo Mister, Thanks for watching, and taking time to comment. You know, that's a really good question. I don't know if the ingredients in each would form a negative chemical reaction. I'm not willing to be the guinea pig. lol -Chuck

[@bayfinest1938]

Yes work great in both no problem

[@mikealicious3848]

How many ounces of Lucas fuel injector cleaner should I pour into a 14.5 gallon tank in a VW Jetta SE 2009?

[@PanzerPlatform]

Hey Mike, Thanks for watching, and taking time to comment. As directed on the back of the bottle it says; "Add 3oz. of Lucas to 10 Gallons of fuel." So that means you would need approximately 4.5oz. to treat 14.5 Gallons of fuel. The good thing about the Lucas, there is no over-treat issue like the MMO. So, I usually add 2oz. for every 5 gallons of fuel, just to make sure I'm getting enough. But, I would not go any higher than that. Hope that helps. -Chuck

[@1000blabbities]

well well presented. too bad I looked at mostod your content and it seems to be crown Vic related. I don't own one so most of those vehicles may not be useful for me. subscribed tho because of great presentation

[@PanzerPlatform]

Yo 1K, Thanks for the kind words. I'm just an average car guy, but this channel is somewhat focused on Ford's Panther Platform. The Crown Victoria, Mercury Grand Marquis, and Lincoln Town Car. I started the channel about a year ago to document the preventative maintenance, repairs, upgrades, and modifications of my two Panther cars, (2004 Vic, and 2010 Grand Marquis). But it's kinda of gotten out of hand. People started watching my videos, and started asking me questions about automotive stuff. I discovered, I like helping people with their car questions, but I'm terrible at explaining things. Anyways, your welcome to join the club, even if you don't have a panther car, but it's going to be all down hill from here. Prepare to be disappointed, and don't forget to unsubscribe when you realize just how bad this channel is. -Chuck

[@1000blabbities]

Panzer Platform lmao Lol. OK but if this video is ant indication it won't be as bad as you think. godspeed

[@cesarpenailillo6627]

Good video

[@PanzerPlatform]

Thanks for watching. -Chuck

[@ronaldwalkenbach8527]

How long was your "pre-planned loop" for the mph test? The longer the test loop, the more reliable your data will be. Regardless, the last two decimal places in the mph data (at least) are meaningless. There are too many uncontrollable variables (e.g. headwinds vs. tailwinds) to be that precise, even in a longish test loop. Otherwise, good job!

[@PanzerPlatform]

Thanks for watching Ronald. My mpg test loop is 130 miles. -Chuck

[@RoadKen53]

Quite the break down. Thanks.

[@PanzerPlatform]

Yo Ken, Thanks for stopping in. -Chuck

[@janekbrat]

👍👍👍

[@PanzerPlatform]

Right on JS, Thanks for stopping in. -Chuck

[@j.t.cooper2963]

Great info. 👍🏻😎 I can't stand the smell of MMO either. And the cancer warning seals the deal for me. No MMO for me.

[@PanzerPlatform]

Right on JT, Thanks for the good feedback. -Chuck

[@southerncross3638]

MMO contains lard. You gotta love the 1920s. I'll stick with lucas.

[@PanzerPlatform]

Thanks for watching. -Chuck