Lucius Quinctius Flamininus, Consul 192 BCE

[@landravac]

always a joy to see brothers in power trusting each other and working together, even if it is imperial expansion at the expense of thousands of innocents

[@alejandrofrank2717]

1 am Australia, I'll listen to it when driving to work. Keep up the good content!

[@LANeverSleeps]

Thanks for these micro looks at overlooked Roman figures and life.

[@Sditchvampire]

Long time Thersites enjoyer. Thanks again.

[@joeshmoe8345]

Real cool thanks for sharing Boss!

[@dazednotconfused1503]

15 minutes before official airing. Fuck it. Imma watch this video on my oculus

[@thatisme3thatisme38]

What is there to watch?

[@Mehdinachky]

in overlooked parts is where real knowledge in history is hidden

[@geordiejones5618]

These videos really show the sprinkles of empire that existed within the Republic from the First Punic War onward.

[@alanpennie8013]

Bret Devereaux has a good essay on his ACOUP blog about the Roman provinces At this time there were still only two, Corsica/Sardinia and Sicily, each governed by a praetor who commanded a small garrison.

[@alanpennie8013]

Only a praetor or a consul could be governor, since only they held Imperium, which conferred the power of independent military command.

[@Arwcwb]

Thank you!

[@LARRYTHEWIRELESSGUY]

Always show up early so u can get the best seat

[@billychops1280]

There are all these great families right before and after the second Punic war of Roman’s, that just seem to disappear after Caesar in the 60’s. How is it possible that most of these families died out or fell so far from fame and food standing

[@platosnut5780]

decades of civil war, the proscriptions of sulla and later Augustus, and the consolidation of power(and by extension prestige) in the emperor rather than the senate.

[@billychops1280]

@@platosnut5780 Sulla I get but just because the prestige of Roman politics lay with the emperor doesn’t really explain their disappearance that much, like the Flavian’s were still around and Galba’s family as well, though they didn’t outlast the Julio-Claudia’s by much. It’s seems as though many prominent families just gave up somehow.

[@platosnut5780]

@@billychops1280 this is my personal interpretation but to me these older roman families would have presented a greater challenge to the emperor than newer plebian gens. With this in mind the idea of Augustus and his successors deliberately avoiding the acclamation of greatness in other noble families combined with the other factors i mentioned could have lead to their decline. Or perhaps they simply found life in the country to be better than that of rome.

[@countdowntorevolution9986]

​@@billychops1280there were many purges carried out too by Augustus' successors. also, the Julio Claudians promoted a lot of "new men" who were loyal to them, and grateful to them and not high born enough to pose a threat to them. this diluted the old nobility still further.

[@billychops1280]

@@platosnut5780 for sure I agree, I just think that had many more of these ancient families of noble stock survived, it could have prevented basically every random Roman commander with a force over 10K men to rebel and proclaim himself emperor, Because the people would have these men of distinguished families to compare them to and realize that no, they are just usurpers and of plebeian stock

[@AcornScorn]

Oh hell yeah a livestream

[@BendmeovrNick]

Gotta bring Sean back hopefully

[@Moredread25]

Great outro!

[@wilsontheconqueror8101]

Consuls must have been somewhat of an oddity in the ancient world of monarchy. Didn't they rule in pairs?

[@alanpennie8013]

The other famous example is Sparta. I'm surprised diarchy wasn't more common since it has obvious advantages over monarchy.

[@contasemperfil]

Magnus opus ;)

[@fluffywaffles]

What does BCE Mean?

[@anarionelendili8961]

Before Common Era. It is the same as BC, Before Christ, but tries to be more religion-neutral even though the zero point is Jesus' (alleged) birth.

[@alanpennie8013]

​@@anarionelendili8961 Yep. It's a small tweak to the system of good old Dennis, a million times better than the confusing Roman custom of dating by the names of the consuls.

[@alanpennie8013]

The Romans did have the AUC system of dating from the foundation of their city, but it was not much used except to decide when secular games should be held, eg under Claudius in AD 47/AUC 800.

[@bookaufman9643]

The Nabis coin looks like the ultimate Chad change.😊

[@adminholly]

Oh shit new thersites just dropped

[@caracallaavg]

Cato the woke

[@bitcoinbeavis7742]

I don’t see myself rallying around any of these guys and risking my life for some rich fuck who’s most likely a bad guy. I don’t see how they got thousands of people to be in their military for little to no pay and only some possibly of pillaging, raping, and maybe some land 30 years down the line if I managed to survive 30 years of close combat. Seems crazy. Not to mention the rich guy gets all the glory you fought for. It seems like it would have been better to try to stay out of that mess and widdle some kind of product or simply farm. Idk maybe just all the options sucked for poor people and risking the high possibility that you’d either be killed or seriously injured without modern medicine to be able to fix you up was just the way it was. There must have been a lot of messed up x-soldiers running around though to be a big enough lesson why you wouldn’t want to do that though.

[@Adsper2000]

In this period only wealthy people were allowed to enlist in the army. There wasn’t government-issued equipment yet, so only people who could afford to buy and maintain their own weapons could serve. If you were drafted and didn’t enlist, you could have your property confiscated. And about half the soldiers in the Roman military were from Italian client states that were required to provide manpower to the army (at their own expense).

[@zenzenulous2243]

that's because most romans were upper-middle class and legitimately believed that the greatest honor you could perform was military service to the Republic. There wasn't really much of a concept of "I can't serve this rich guy, he sucks and doesn't look after my interests", people kind of just saw it as an opportunity to serve their home. People generally believe their society's values, after all, so a lot of these soldiers were legitimately invested in that cause. so this idea of "yeah i'm not risking my life for this rich fuck" wasn't even conceivable

[@Typhoonoverwatch]

bro rlly killed his channel bc he had to get political, massive L