Why I'm Skeptical About Judas - Luke Reacts

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[@Desmond-Dark]

"And when you're confused they're like yea that's because it's deep" 😂 So true Luke

[@circlesnare3671]

Wonder how much of Chris Avellone’s work is still in it, he put 2-3 years writing into it quite a few years ago now

[@sadmarinersfan8935]

I hope a good bit he is one of if not the best writer in the gaming industry

[@belltolls1984]

@@sadmarinersfan8935 Absolute best; Dying Light 2 had his story writing in it but Techland removed it due to those false allegations; it's the reason the story was garbage. Didn't even let him tell his side of the story.

[@via_negativa6183]

Probably.none considering the injustice he went through in recent Years.

[@aslmate]

@@belltolls1984 Damn! The shitty story in Dying Light 2 was my main gripe with the game as well...... It was the only reason I didn't like the game as much as Dying Light 1

[@FriendoftheDrow]

The original version of Bloodlines 2 was also going to feature his work, but everything was tossed it and now it looks like it's going to be a travesty, making all the same mistakes as Dragon Age II and Fallout 4 with a pre-defined voiced protagonist and an inner voice that never stops talking that feels reminiscent of one of the biggest issues with Forspoken.

[@raven80wolfx2]

The story of bioshock infinite made sense. You are the bad guy and the good guy. You need to die to stop the loop. If you can't understand it, that is on you. I don't have worries about his game. Gameplay is always fun, and at the end of the day he is trying to focus on story and gameplay focus. Creating new techonology to solve a problem that adds more depth to singleplayer games. That has more replay value and I am not worried.

[@lukaszzylik4437]

I agree with you. The story in Bioshock Infinite is well explained as well?

[@guyfromnewark]

It is not that obvious.

[@FriendoftheDrow]

The story where the black leader who wanted to emancipate black slaves was said to be the same as the white supremacist slaver? Yeah, it wasn't hard to understand; it simply wasn't very good. Pretended to be more complex than it actually was.

[@Jadepeanut]

The story was good if you read its summary and see explanation video but its not obvious and could be better explained and feeded more to the players and they shouldnt have forced the story to connect to rapture .

[@intrynzyk]

There's a saying in England, that a camel is a horse designed by committee. Generally, I think a singular person having the final say is a good thing. Everyone ends up knowing what they need to do, how long they've got to do it and it preserves a cohesive/coherent vision for the product. Most entertainment these days, be it games movies or TV, seems to be suffering from ever increasing budgets and creation time, and when they do release, end up being rather generic and lacklustre. I'd put this down to too many people being involved in the process. Lots of different people with different ideas will lead to confusion and a product trying to do everything and appeal to everyone.

[@Jewboi30]

Luke hit the nail on the head. An established concept being verbally convoluted to sound novel. I hope it subverts those expectations. I think it'll probably be good either way. Likely not earth-shattering the way Levine would have us believe.

[@CZJames20]

I feel like you´re not understanding the Lego stuff completely Luke. I think this is different than just RPG with choices, cause this isn´t scripted by the devs- it´s supposed to be system which makes different encounters, story beats, music, gameplay completely individual to a player. That´s why he´s pushing that term Narrative Lego, we´ll see in due time if it lives up to the name.

[@matthewobrien178]

I came here to say the same. He didn't understand what was said. Maybe he didn't watch the entire interview, or just doubts Ken (which on one hand is understandable)

[@derrickcrowe3888]

I think the issue is it's all fine and dandy to say that high concept stuff, but what does that actually mean in practice? How do you get story beats and music that aren't scripted by the devs? Things can't spontaneously generate in games. They need to either be explicitly programmed, randomly generated, or AI generated. Or this needs to be a fundamentally new concept that videogames and software have never seen before, which is not impossible, but hard to imagine.

[@mr.irrelevent8956]

Yeah it kind of just feels like he didn’t listen

[@jaaayyy2532]

I don't know. I've been burned with too many games. I don't trust any producer or Studio when they talk about a game. I always just wait for gameplay or for the game to come out to form an opinion

[@TheRealUcanUwill]

This is the right mindset I think. Tho, I would be lying if I said I do not trust Ken Levine. Judas looks very promising to me, but I say this as a person who almost never play new games anymore and could take it or leave it. I think I will play Judas simply because I really liked Bioshock Infinite at a time, even when gameplay is lacking (and personally I am not a first person shooter guy at all), I think the story for Levine's games is worth experiencing first hand.

[@TheodoricFriede]

This game looks like Ken Levine saw Five Nights at Freddys and said, "I can do that, but waaaaaaaaay more pretentious".

[@ShotgunRaider88]

Ken had one "miss", Which wasn't even a miss technically because the game was a critical and commercial success. Only in the eyes of the vocal minority are his games considered bad. I believe he did the right thing after Infinite, downsizing his team and removing any deadline. He clearly has an idea that needed to cook and I don't imagine 2k would have given him the time he's had if they didn't see the potential.

[@FriendoftheDrow]

There were valid criticisms for Infinite (especially when it comes to Daisy Fitzroy and the handling of the black slave rebellion), despite what his sycophants would prefer to think.

[@yashmjj]

I agree with Luke on the one man leadership. I work in an IT company and there have been way too many changes into our project to a point it was once stitched together using one single thread. Then my senior who was made busy with lots of work, found out about that fixed all of the issues and we got flagged for it.

[@infiniterift]

I don't think making a "same'ish" game is bad. As long as You iterate on the idea and this thing keeps evolving. From Software has been making basically the "same" thing for over a decade. Rockstar has been doing the same thing since GTA 3 also. Porsche has been making VW Bettle 😉 since the 1950s - look at them now.

[@missmadness6935]

they BEEN talking about a bioshock movie since 2011 the problem was bk then "we dont have the technology for a movie like bioshock" WHELP WE DO NOW

[@kobebryant5491]

I thought ken killed the project because the studio didn’t want to make it rated R

[@violentpursuit]

Death Stranding was definitely novel and new in terms of no one else has ever made a Fedex simulator. But just because something is novel doesn't mean it's good/fun and CERTAINLY doesn't mean it's a new genre. I don't see any other developer ever making a game similar to DS, so then it's not really a genre is it?

[@JJJBunney001]

Its because wanky reviewers just praise anything new and see it as a revolutionary idea for the industry. Basing a game on fetch quests worked for them once so yiure right, its not a genre

[@SadSubz]

To my understanding from watching the interview on the Friends Per Second Podcast is that it is similar to Bioshock, but its more of a rogue-like in design. I think it'll be interesting to see how a choice drive rogue-like could be designed and play out. Also hence why he called it "narative lego".

[@loganlevesques]

Is the BioShock RTX Remake still a thing?

[@XSquidbeatsX]

Well there is a fork in the road, go left 1 thing happens, go right another thing happens. At the end, it plays out based on where you went previously.

[@jigglyboo8787]

''Telltale games? What's that?''

[@smokescreen4]

7:01 Literally the movie Tenet 😂😂

[@joshsecor4858]

I’m CAUTIOUSLY optimistic about this, it looks good, sounds good, but I haven’t seen enough

[@andrewmonaghan4290]

A rule of thumb is don’t buy a game until it’s fully released and reviewers like Big Luke here has reviewed it. You can then make an informed decision to buy or not.

[@roryshockley6212]

I'm calling it.... Judas is gonna be the equivalent of him explaining how his game works. And in the end, some random guy will pop into the story and shout, "It's been (blank) years, let's wrap this up and end it!" One ending! Your choices meant nothing...🤣🤣🤣

[@chazzerous]

The film/TV specific term that you’re describing is the mystery box, which Lost is totally the stereotype/worst offender of

[@belltolls1984]

Time for a new Bioshock Collection playthrough.

[@exemplar7205]

Another game i think has Bioshock vibes as well is Clockwork Revolution, i hope we hear something about that this year at the xbox showcase, looking forward to it, it looks really interesting.

[@roachknightzequ8854]

I loved BioShocks story but took a few playthroughs to really get it. Like to get all the little details and plot points that made it deeper then I really thought the first time

[@jackbrassil5318]

Really want this one to be good! Looks like it could be interesting and it looks visually appealing

[@TumpalManurung]

Complexity doesn't equal depth.

[@ariannawhatrudoinghere]

Didn’t Lost become like that because of the writer’s strike at the time? I’m curious if anyone has more info because I feel like I learned that last year during the 2023 strike

[@FriendoftheDrow]

It was a mess because they didn't have a plan ahead of time and one of the writers left who wanted to answer questions at the end of a season instead of simply answering questions with even more questions. The writers strike wasn't responsible for the numerous blunders the show made.

[@markrobinson7975]

I'd be skeptical too, that shit he pulled on my man Jesus was some top tier bullshit.

[@aj0413_]

Lol “effectively the same thing” yes and this is why I hate Kojimas writing and can only laugh at his games when people tout then as so deep.

[@BlazeSwigglePlayzMc]

I think I understand what the "lego narrative" might mean if it is what I think it is. But I do want to say that if its anything like what I'm about to say It'll require very good writers and its gonna be one hell of a thing to make. So hearing how he insists it's NOT just like any RPG where certain paths get locked behind certain conditions (Basic scripting), this means that the game isn't really linear but more like small pools of events that could happen in any order. No scripted pathing rather all the game has is a beginning and an "ending" which might mean that everyones ending will be different depending in the order certain things happened. It's sort of like how some authors write stories in a way where if you start reading from the end to the beggining you end up with a completely different story then if you read it normally, there is also a case where this one anime I remember seeing where like depending which episode you watch first determines the story you get and the ending changes a lot. On top of that add stuff like NPCs remembering certain actions you made thus determining whether they help you out or not, event pools being locked if conditions aren't met or others opeing up depending on conditions or the order events have played out, how maybe you can potentially end up with a short playthough cause you fucked up or a super long one by accident, someones finale could potential a short stepping stone in your playthough, etc. The replayability for something like that could be endless. But once again in order for that to properly work and make sense you have to have really REALLY good writers to be able to tell a story in parts and leave it open ended enough (While simultaneously keeping it closed enough that if it becomes the ending it doesn't feel like something is missing) with out depending on other events to happen or have happened (And for it to make sense cause like you mentioned doing the "its just deep" isn't gonna work here). It's like having a jar of marbles and then you empty the jar on the ground thus having the marbles roll around randomly, one marble is specifically the beginning (This is the one you pick up first no matter what) meanwhile there isn't a marble for an actual ending and your playthough is just you picking up the marbles in any order you want until there are no more marbles to pick up, that last marble would technically be your "ending" and if you lost a marble or 2 during the processing of spreading them around the ground then you don't get to see those in your play through. But thats just what I thought when he mentioned how its just legos or "blocks", and isn't suppose to be like any other RPG. I am most likely wrong and everything I just said is bull shit but whatever. We'll know what he means once the game comes out.

[@BrainofQuinn]

Oh noooo... I've heard this exact thing so many times... You will ALL have a different experience. I am hopefully only because Bioshock was and still is a goood trilogy... but it's been awhile.

[@billpogi23]

What about todd?

[@OGP2293]

Should i get System Shock remake?

[@manganiaco]

I see where you are going. If Bioshock Infinite's story was already too much of a cluster with time travel and alternate dimensions on a Steampunk settings... what's a story set on future with space and magic going to be like?

[@emilcioran7444]

Is this bioshock sequel??

[@JJJBunney001]

No its got nothing to do with bioshock, its just going to look and play similar to every other Ken Levine game

[@elitereptilian200]

BioshockLoop

[@Mark-nh7zg]

It’s almost always a red flag when developers can only describe their games with generic marketing terms and not with clarifying gameplay specifics

[@SpottedHares]

Welcome to 99.99% of games

[@EinonY]

Depends on the timeline....it's a red flag if the game is coming out in a matter of months and you still talk in circles around mechanics and just use marketing buzzwords. If they do it when the game is still 2 or 3 years away, then it's just avoid revealing too much, since anything is subject to change during development.

[@danwelsh6706]

This is Death Loop framed differently let's not get confused here people.. But it will be what we hoped Death Loop would be.

[@jonasking9587]

That's Prey: Moonfall

[@tupacbck6833]

these kinds of games most times seem to drop the ball with procedural generation

[@joshuaknox2724]

wow this game looks awesome.

[@GripChief]

Looks so much like Bioshock, especially the shotgun which looks almost identical to the B1 shotgun. That actually has me more hyped, defo keeping my eye on this one.

[@denzelromero4796]

Mafia 3 has this “narrative legos” premise but the gameplay was too repetitive . Love the story and characters but come on LOL

[@jamie7041]

Complicati-talk

[@DrAllDoRespect]

I’m skeptically on your tax returns👀

[@samletsplaygames]

So theres no real story? This procedurly generated stuff has the potential to fall apart.

[@vexmyth0clast]

Luke wtf is up with these weird ass bots in these comments

[@Batmanisme]

You’re skeptical about every game lol

[@elitereptilian200]

and that is only a good thing

[@JJJBunney001]

Yeah because most things arent that good. Most games are just okay and I'd personally prefer a realistic take than a hype train

[@jovial2004-gd1gy]

Second

[@PlumGod]

Bots don’t count. You first

[@jovial2004-gd1gy]

Yeah 😅

[@kennethwolf1763]

I’m 100% in agreement with Luke. When devs do their own thing it’s usually ALWAYS worse than what they’re trying to emulate.

[@jonasking9587]

Usually always?

[@henrryeaeaea]

I don't understand this comment. When devs do their own thing trying to emulate? Usually always worse?

[@raven80wolfx2]

That isn't true. When devs do games the way they want, they usually turn out better. I like examples. God of War 2018. The creator lied to people about cutting stuff. He kept pushing with his vision and kept pushing his team to do their best. I totally disagree with studios that do what they want to do. If it wasn't for him pushing god of war, 2018 wouldn't be loved as much as it is.

[@IDeclareWar11D2]

So by that logic all indie games should be trash

[@lukaszzylik4437]

I don't know. Indy devs do their own thing without corporate interference usually and Indy games have been so amazing for the longest time. No all of them obviously but in general.

[@draculathevampire934]

Characters and story looks like trash

[@Alex_Martin_]

Bioshock inifiite is a bad game.

[@Ckoz2829]

Bioshock Infinite was a bad Bioshock game. On its own merits, it’s a pretty decent shooter with fun gunplay, cool weapons and powers, and a pretty good story.

[@FriendoftheDrow]

@@Ckoz2829 On it's own merits it's a game that says that Daisy, a black slave turned rebel leader, is exactly the same as Comstock, a white supremacist and genocide participant who runs a society built on slavery. It's not a good game, and made such a blunder with its handling of black people that the DLC poorly tried to fix it.

[@Ckoz2829]

@@FriendoftheDrow Well, it’s still got good gameplay at least.

[@OGP2293]

@@FriendoftheDrowu do know that black ppl aren’t all angels? Plus her lust for going on a frenzy makes sense

[@FriendoftheDrow]

@@OGP2293 You didn't address a single point I raised.

[@AquilesX11]

It's in first person, pass.

[@Tacitus_kilgore_1903]

I'd love to see your library I'm willing to bet you have a dozen first person games... I've literally never heard complaints about first person until xbox showed Indiana Jones then all of the sudden it became unacceptable overnight

[@2AoDqqLTU5v]

Ok Karen 😂

[@AquilesX11]

@@Tacitus_kilgore_1903 Cyberpunk is the only first person game I ever played. I had to bite the bullet because I anticipated it for so long. It ended up being a great game and I enjoyed it , but I still prefer 3rd person games. Just don't like those hands in front of me.

[@sauliusvekteris526]

This game is going to flop and not live to the expectations. The game looks to cartoonish, especially the enemies. Where is that scary Bioshock 1 vibe?

[@SadSubz]

Answer to your question is that its not Bioshock 1.

[@JJJBunney001]

Well its not bioshock, just like bioshock wasnt exactly systemshock

[@sumstuff6956]

I’m skeptical bout anything ken does he’s been making the same game but worse and more dumbed down since 1999 system shock 2 his best game and most those gameplay ideas wasnt kens! People don’t realize kens more of a narrative guy than gameplay that’s why his gameplay gets worse and more dumbed down with every game he even uses the same boring done to death art style every game. Prey 2017 is better than anything’s kens made apart from system shock 2 which again gameplaywise ain’t really mainly down to ken like I said kens thing is story

[@JJJBunney001]

Yes... which is why theyre focusing on a narrtively driven story focused project

[@sumstuff6956]

@@JJJBunney001 yeah but in an actual GAME gameplay matters way more than story u can have a great game wiv a rubbish story u CANNOT have a great game wiv rubbish gameplay but great story so where’s your logic ?