Lumion 2023 is now better than ever! This is Game-changer!

[@LearnUpstairs]

If you're in need of a complete beginner's tutorial on Lumion, Steven from Show It Better has just published one! The video covers everything you need to know to master Lumion, from recommended specs to the final touches. Highly recommend checking it out: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mJ-mgHl-e5eKoJo

[@peterbelanger4094]

B2B pricing is such a grift. $1200 a year?!? .... Things need to change in the software industry.

[@elsonadounsueno]

I used Lumion for about 5 years during my studies with almost every project (with some exceptions for v-ray and TM) but i feel they fell behind the competition - i love Lumion and simplicity of the workflow with it but they slept over the revolution... Recently I used TM and D5 and feel they are more refined within RT/PT technology and offer the same or in some cases even more then Lumion at half or third of the price... Still can't wait for video comparing all 3 toghether :) You should use same custom materials in all programs to see true difference in how each engine handles scenes.

[@user-yk1cw8im4h]

enscape is where it’s at

[@LearnUpstairs]

All valid points Mikołaj! This update should’ve come earlier for sure! This video is going to be hard work 😅 I might need to do using the library available in each program, but also try to fully incorporate an external PBR material to ser its full capabilities. Thanks for the comment!

[@thearchitecturegrind]

@@user-yk1cw8im4h Enscape is bottom tier

[@Cal.lm96]

The`ve done a really great job with this release ! Looking forward to Lumion 2023 ! And YES, Please release a comparison video between all real time rendering engines available 😍

[@GiNyYu222]

I think D5 RENDER is a good one but you need a nuclear computer to ru that xD

[@ShowItBetter]

Oliver, your video was so illuminating! It's like you turned on a whole new light bulb in our heads with your Ray tracing workflow. Lumion has never looked brighter! 🤣🤣 No, but seriously, awesome video; those interior renders are so elegant and elaborate!

[@johannforsthuber2801]

mostre o melhor @ShowitBetter

[@adamc4443]

I switched over to D5 from Lumion about a year ago for various reasons dealing with large projects; shorter load times, easier to load and manage custom assets & materials, no limits on number of scenes (could only do 10 panoramics in Lumion12), and of course ray tracing - at more than 4k... From all the vids I've scene on Lumion 2023 I still don't think i'll go back. Both D5 and Twinmotion have advanced rapidly compared to Lumion, even now after it's long awaited (and IMO lackluster) release.

[@LearnUpstairs]

Thanks for sharing your input, Adam! Much appreciated! These advantages of D5 compared to Lumion do in fact make a big difference. I still believe this update in Lumion has put them back in the fight against all other rendering engines, but I'm looking forward to creating this comparison video.

[@bacazterchovej2235]

@@LearnUpstairs well, they asking 3 times more then D5 per year with new license and i dont hink it is good deal ....

[@imadurrozansylvano8304]

Finally! A proper demo from the real expert, honestly their own demo didn't fully showcase the capability of their new ray tracing technology (if u watch on their channel). Anyway, I'm more surprised by the exporting time of the eight scenes u mentioned in the video that took 8 hours to render, whereas in D5 Render, I was able to export around 40-50 images of complex interior render (including all channels) which approximately only took 1 +/- hour! My PC specs are a little bit better than your setup (RTX 3060 8GB) with less RAM (16GB) This makes Lumion truly left behind by the other applications when it comes to Ray Tracing (some are free or cheaper subscription prices!) With the given price, they really have to step up their game and catch up with the other software. Great video, nevertheless.

[@LearnUpstairs]

Hey Imadur, thank you so much for the amazing feedback! Much appreciated. Yes, the exporting time was much bigger than I anticipated, but then we got to take into account that all those specs are in a laptop format, which is slower than a desktop build. I also used Poliigon materials in everything and even included displacement on them all (even though some of them were not necessary). HDRI was in all images as well. Not defending Lumion's side here haha, but so that all info is laid on the table. I also got kinda shocked by the amount of render time, but then I thought it was my slow laptop you know. Yes, pricing is a huge factor for solo architects or small firms. Thankfully they switched to a more affordable subscription-based pricing model. But it is still very expensive when compared to other engines out there. Lots of things to be considered for sure! I appreciate your input. Cheers!

[@thyrandus]

Great video as always Oliver! I'd love to see a side by side comparison between Lumion, Twinmotion and D5 Render. Keep up the great work!

[@jbe6697]

And blender

[@ekmschaefchen]

or vray?

[@LearnUpstairs]

Thanks, Artur! In this video comparing them all, I’ll need to include all of them. But it’s going to be a lot of work 😅 To do ir properly I’d need to render the same scene in every software to have a proper side by side comparison. It’s on the list! Hopefully I’ll create it soon. Thanks for the interest guys! 🙌

[@guillaumevandermaas9316]

yes please make a video of D5 render, Lumion 2023, Twinmotion 2023 and maybe UE5.2

[@ozantorlak5395]

When will the education version released? I can only download the 12.5 version.

[@LearnUpstairs]

Hey Ozan! I don't have this answer, but I'll send a message to the Lumion team to check it out.

[@AbdollahALZ]

It has released bro

[@jafargraciel]

🔥One of the best ways to review...

[@adrienngaland]

Thanks Oliver for this video. I'm definetely looking foward to the video comparing all render engine. Especially how enscape fit into the competition.

[@priscakawang8101]

Great videos as always. One of the best review I’ve seen so far. Keep up with the good work.

[@LearnUpstairs]

Thank you, Prisca!

[@dazai3874]

Lumion 2023 vs Twinmotion video need it for sure!!

[@Mark_5150]

The only thing stopping me from trying Lumion and possibly switching to it, it's subscription based business model. I'm tired of everything in life becoming a subscription and web based.

[@LearnUpstairs]

I know… everything is subscription based nowadays, and that adds up! But also, a single payment is often too heavy for solo and starting businesses. Still not sure what would be the solution. Maybe we need everything open source like Blender 😜

[@Trimanonymous]

After watching this video,I think even vray offline render is much faster than Lumion's RT...LOL,Just like...the old version vray for Lumion.Even in the preview mode,So slow damn......

[@anniemcguinness4355]

based on how my computer handles 3D grass now, it's going to blow up when it tries ray-tracing it... still worth it to see ray-tracing updated to include plants and how much better landscape renders will look

[@apy-d4213]

Wonderful presentation! Is it possible to get your settings (against contribution of course!) RT in order to better understand the logic of the changes at Lumion?

[@LearnUpstairs]

That's the magic of it, Apy-d! You simply add the Ray Tracing effect and play with the Sun or Real Skies to get the lighting going and that's it. There's no need for specific settings on other effects to get a realistic result, as it was with the older rasterization method. As I mentioned during the video, I've noticed that the Color Correction effect is a great ally to help expose a scene better. But in theory that's not necessary.

[@Riot55]

Any tips for exterior Ray Tracing? Even when turning reflectivity and metalness all the way down on some of my lighter materials, I feel like a lot of times my models get super overblown and washed out even after trying to mess with color correction.

[@LearnUpstairs]

Although I have worked a bit with exterior images, my main goal has been interior because it was what I felt Lumion needed to improve. Exteriors have always been a strength of theirs. But I'll certainly look into that for future videos on Lumion. Sorry for not being able to help on this at the moment.

[@mohamadrezajavadi5535]

great video! now we need lightmix kind of option for lumion :D

[@cheeese2504]

Wonder how you'll react to D5 Render if these from Lumion are enough to wow you😏

[@LearnUpstairs]

👀 I’m curious to compare them all now

[@saebkefayati8681]

😂👌👌

[@umangbhalani2314]

I was going through google and could not find comparison of render engines for archviz. Would love d5 vs corona vs unreal vs lumion vs vray

[@glenn3646]

Ive seen corona compare to unreal they end result was very close in both render sometime corona is better some time unreal is better, for me I go with Unreal for render or animtaion etc etc you can do sooo much in there

[@LearnUpstairs]

This video is definitely on the list for future videos then! The only thing that I would consider now is that I wouldn't categorize Corona and Unreal on the same package as D5 and Lumion for example. I see them as different types of tools. Totally focused on archviz VS visualization as part of architecture practice. I might need to fine-tune that idea for the video. And also, maybe I'll need to bring more hands into this comparison, as I personally don't use Corona or Unreal for example

[@elsonadounsueno]

@@LearnUpstairs Corona is in a little bit different group of render engines... It is more similar to V-ray where u don't get real time preview of scene - skill cap with those two is much higher but also requires a lot more skill on entry level and are much more time consuming. D5, Twinmotion and Lumion are real time engines that operates on assumption that "what you see is what you get". Unreal Engine I hear more and more people use it for arch-viz and is something in between these two groups - its real time but you need more knowledge to operate. Its kind of step up or side step from Twinmotion and its great thing because you can start project in TM and export it and elevate in Unreal. Deffinitely worth checking out 🙂

[@scarab72]

In my opinion, d5 render is much better, cheaper, supports bone animation, and supports parallax.

[@CHRoOMAX]

You think it's much better because it's free and there's no problem with that, but you cannot judge in any way which is better without testing the full release-version of Lumion. Lumion doesn't have every feature, but it has more features than D5 for sure, such as Photo Match, which is essential for rendering objects into a scene. I use D5 Render btw.

[@LearnUpstairs]

That's a totally valid opinion, if D5 fits your workflow and gets to results you needed, then that's all you need. After all, a render engine is just a tool, and properly visualizing a project requires more than mastering the render settings. Personally, I think each render engine in the market right now is better at something specific. But then it all comes down to preferences.

[@tjeerdroukens5110]

@@CHRoOMAX D5 is getting its new features way faster though. And the devs actually listen to their customers

[@AD-Dom]

D5 isn’t without issues. Though it’s been very generous in its benchmark calling my shitty rtx 3050 card high end. Their library isn’t local and is slow to download. And some of their choices on the effects end aren’t from the real world. 2.4 has some really interesting changes and I agree it’s a better model than lumions subscription bullshit. It’s a great free tool for learning pbr rendering.

[@arbaazsheikh9641]

Day by Day D5 improving 💵

[@Flo-Brubo]

Hello Upstairs I would really like to have access to the sketchup scene used in the video. Very structured video as a 3d enthusiast and as a big user of lumion I can't wait for this update to come out even more than the new iphone in short thank you very much for this video which highlights the new features of lumion

[@richardcahya6747]

Is it support with the car paint that have metallic flakes when creating material or they have provide it?

[@MahmoodInteriordesigner007]

SIR Do you work on Sakeup, or on 3ds max, because your renders are great. AND YOUR MATERIAL

[@parvsethi6905]

Any workaround on mirror reflections in RT. unable to get full reflections as we used to in raster mode

[@iansmith7853]

Well, raster is improved with the new version, but I'm struggling with ray tracing I'm afraid. I mainly use Lumion to produce animations and panoramas, and the results so far have been not so good. To the point where I have stopped trying to use ray tracing for these tasks

[@blackumbrella6199]

The only pro about Ray Tracing in Lumion is that they disabled all the other light effects. I mean, let's face it, I don't think the majority of us know exactly what global illumination, Hyperlight, and Sky light are for. So thank god that now we could just focus on Ray Tracing 🙌

[@bahaahalabi]

thank you ....... lovely video ..... lumion is still a hard software for me i am a vray and corona user and i still feel there is so much flexbility with 3ds max

[@안현태-h5c]

한국 자막이 있어서 너무 좋아요 감사합니다

[@khewintonlee1876]

Lumion need to bring the Ctrl+Z :D

[@mediadevices7272]

I believe Lumion still has a way to go. It's simplicity and speed for output is what keeps it in the running however having recently seen Twinmotion, Enscape and D5 Render, Lumion is lagging behind. Raytracing is a good step but not great with what other products offer especially with Lumion's price. I do love Lumion however I have found myself flirting with D5 in recent times.

[@salty9905]

Great video, could you look at how well it makes more stylized renders with the new raytracing engine?

[@ПРОСМЕЛЫХИБОЛЬШИХЛЮДЕЙ]

and you can't import your animated characters into the program again?

[@SkyscrapersConstructionSerbia]

Here's why new lumion 2023 will work better for you than earlier versions of lumion! kzbin.info/www/bejne/bHTCYmmOopyYn80

[@VasylPopovskiy]

Hi! ray will tracing work with a video card RX 6700 Xt?

[@ricbattaglia6976]

D5 is similar? Thanks

[@BASEM88BHR]

I still don't know how to add Thunder strike in Lumion is it possible?

[@spartafxrs5]

with the current version of lumion, what gpu would you recommend, considering price-to-performance ratio, especially with ray-tracing and stuff?

[@allenm5934]

Hello, i bought the pbr texture pack 1. It is not listed what the material size is...1mx1m, 2mx2m? I will be using these in Lumion so this is very helpful. Thanks.

[@LearnUpstairs]

Hey Allen! Our PBR texture pack doesn’t have specific dimension as Poliigon does. As with most PBR materials you download off other websites, you resize to fit your specific needs. We focused on producing a high quality seamless texture.

[@MTheoOA]

Caraca... Acho que estou sendo convencido a ir pro Lumion. Isso aí tá bem absurdo

[@LearnUpstairs]

Cara ta insano! Um pouco atrasado em comparação a competição, mas curti demais a atualização. O unico problema pra mim é que precisa de um PC muito bom pra rodar tranquilo. Fiquei pensando que se tivesse escolhido um projeto mais complexo, meu laptop atual não teria conseguido dar conta

[@MTheoOA]

@@LearnUpstairs verdade. Meu note nem deve abrir o software kkk. Mas muito foda! Admiro muito seu trabalho.

[@chimezieekenulo5277]

Lumion 2023 and lumion 12.5 are they the same please....

[@roopeshmoger2757]

Which laptop is best for lumion

[@vagtsal]

At last, nice interiors of plain white walls and ceilings.

[@josh0147]

I just want them to add it onto mac….

[@HoangNguyen-lv8jy]

Better than chaos vantage ?

[@SirGabrielBohrer]

Meu sonho ser patrocinado pelo Lumion! hahahaha

[@zangarkhan]

I feel like there is going to be a culling in rendering tech. Lots of free options now i.e Omniverse, Unreal, Unity DXR

[@jorgem3625]

They can fix everything, but HOW WILL THE NEXT VERSIONS SELL with all already included in LUM 2023 what will be inside Lumion 2024?...they won't release everything at once.

[@skyheart125]

is it even close to D5 2.4 free version? doenst look like that.

[@BoWSkittlez]

My PC overheated just watching this and I don't even have Lumion

[@Philixzecat]

im ready to start a bonfire in my office.

[@sunilr6355]

pleas emake lumion ocean wave turorial

[@satarello]

It is sad that we cannot buy immortal license ....marketing marketing marketing..ehhh

[@EfeCanZeybek]

Need local pricing, my salary is 450 $ for month but lumion price is 108 $ for month how I may afford that? It is just a software, lumion need to adjust prices to countries or everyone will continue to use pirate versions, not me of course.

[@Franciscomp70]

I mean, is good. But compared to UE5 (that is free, and better in my opinion) it doesn't has a chance to compete.

[@SanOcelotl]

The software feels arcaic lol

[@jawadali-tl9by]

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[@tedstriker2000]

sadly too late...AI already provides stunning result in seconds...we no longer need 'building blocks'. You can show Chat Gpt your cad drawings and tell it to render the results.

[@zafir7007]

isn't chatGPT just text based? You need MidJourney for what you described.

[@El_Zapatito]

This is Unreal engine but paid :c

[@the_federic_vii]

D5 render is much better

[@eviltlaloc]

8 Hours for a single HD image with channels?.. No way... Vray is faster in comparation

[@LearnUpstairs]

Oh no, 8 hours of 8 images with all of their 6 individual channels. The render consistent with tons of materials also with displacement added to them. In vray with all of these lighting and material settings, it would’ve taken a lot lot more. But still, that was too long indeed.

[@eviltlaloc]

@@LearnUpstairs No. 8ht for image, not 1hr for image in HD size. So, this convert to lumion in the slowest software for archviz comapred with Twinmotion or D5.

[@LearnUpstairs]

@@eviltlaloc I get your point, but only 1 image without any render channel was taking around 20 minutes. Not defending Lumion at all, but just stating the stats here A single render without any displacements, or render channel, would take just a couple of minutes. But I suggest testing out yourself

[@eviltlaloc]

@@LearnUpstairs Try the competition. with a 2060 D5 make a render in 4k in 5 mins. Twinmotion with Path Tracer in 10 mins. Lumion in HD with a 3060 in 10 mins. And in this case 8hr with all channels and HD size. Is not the evolution we were promised.

[@ivochmelar9714]

No, implemented AI iwill be the real Game - changer!

[@LearnUpstairs]

That's for sure! But it will still be a tool the way I see it. And not a complete replacement.

[@IronLordFitness]

I don't get how they can charge this much for Lumion. Renders look so cheap... I'm using it when I'm working for agencies which are using it, but it really can't stand the comparison with Vray and even Blender's Cycles. Of course I'm talking about a professional context, with experts in architectural renderings. Most of agencies I know will switch to another platform by the end of 2023. Money is not necessarily the problem for them, but they finally wake up and are seeking for photorealism to compete with foreign agencies using other renderers.

[@homienum2121]

plus cycles had raytracing from start it just sucked with timing but compared to addons like e-cycles and k cycles can bury Lumion to ground

[@IronLordFitness]

@@homienum2121 Totally.

[@davidperez-sk7wt]

D5 is way better (I am an old user of lumion)

[@Mellovici]

no perpetual license so no lumion for me!

[@hobochild39]

Better than the last? Not sure. But worse than the rest, most definitely.

[@GrecoFPV]

D5 is still better..

[@crearki3746]

I agree whit you

[@أمينرحمان-ع9ز]

you dream

[@REDCARSCoverband]

Unicorn render does this with ai denoising and physical renderin 6 years. And probably faster.

[@gabyanto2690]

No glass un ray tracing? WTF!! Pathtracer Twinmotion is better.

[@LearnUpstairs]

I know, that’s not available yet. Very unfortunate. But from what I’ve heard it should be updated any time now. I like Twinmotion Path Tracer, but there are also a couple of things that aren’t really that good. Especially when it comes to exteriors

[@gabyanto2690]

@@LearnUpstairs Que cosas no te gustan del PathTracer de Twinmotion, para el exterior?

[@neerajtiwari7800]

First 🥇

[@imabzeous]

Stop calling a shitty upgrade Game changer, Twinmotion and D5 already has ray tracing and a hell lot better than buggy lumion version. i mean why is this a game changer

[@quanpham6714]

Game-changer? PLSSSSSSS

[@waleedmahe5351]

In short, Lumion 2023 is bad and also needs high operating requirements and a ray tracing graphics card. Its price is exaggerated. It is like children’s games. It does not have wide options for modifying materials and its images are unrealistic. As for vray, its images are realistic. The program does not need high operating requirements. You have wide options for modifying materials. Its price is reasonable. The best. I don't know why you compare Lumion to vray. At least you could have marketed Lumion without comparing it to vray because you know it's the best.

[@ahmedalkhoudiri5435]

Twinmotion is cheaper and better

[@Salamon_Zsolt]

Unreal is far far better. It wont make this new update sweat EPIC. Unreal is free... so yea...if Lumion would be closer to unreal maybe yes, other than that it's just waste of money and time in Lumion.

[@Mr.LeoNov]

I'm thinking about switching to UE, but is it better then Twinmotion? Since they're basically the same engine, but graphics is still different in them both So don't know what to choose

[@Salamon_Zsolt]

@@Mr.LeoNov basically they are the same engine, but real time GI was implemented like 1 years ago in unreal5 and Twinmoation still doenst have that. So if you are really want to be a pro and use the best engine, u should go for unreal. Sooner or later unreal is going to be next gen standard engine for archviz, games and movies, so yea better start now rather than wasting time on twinmotion or lumion, definetly its going to take more time to learn, but you are going to have next level works... anyways whats the big deal with Ray tracing, we had raytracing for like 20 years on lots of render engines, raytracing isnt a big deal in 2023, but Lumen in UE yea that's a big deal and gives us way more flexibility faster render times... so yea it's all up to you what you choose

[@Mr.LeoNov]

@@Salamon_Zsolt thanks man!

[@jamesjoaquinmontojo]

Interior plants are so boring too dark

[@Yanus3D]

This engine is not real-time...even has not proper DXR system!

[@AAAAAAndreyAndreev]

it still looks so plastic and bad ... how does someone pick or worse BUY this overpised dumbster fire is beound me

[@oikos342]

In my opinion the worst , more close to sims

[@saebkefayati8681]

😂😂 Sims 4 or 3?

[@vardansurrname5589]

Man people choose lumion for speed render. If slow ray tracing choose v ray or corona.

[@LearnUpstairs]

That might be one of the reasons for sure, but I’d say that most importantly is the huge library of assets. And also the direct link with architectural programs, so then the design and visualization workflows are linked. But if you’re talking strictly about archviz and not necessarily connected to the architects daily tasks, then that might differ for sure!

[@crearki3746]

exactly

[@davidetripoli3493]

selling a dead software amazing really nice from u