LUXURIOUS JBC 4 Channel Rework Station - Soldering Bench Upgrade Ep2

[@reps]

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[@-Xaverius]

what is the solder you're using?

[@RandornCanis]

Did you edit in ½ time? All your on-screen timers are running at half real speed.

[@reps]

@@-Xaverius Felder ISO-Core "Clear" 0.5mm Sn100Ni+

[@colinofay7237]

@@reps can you link ep1 I can't find it on search

[@windward2818]

For soldering skills does Welectron require any IPC soldering certifications?

[@Fdebijl]

19:12 - "This preference applies to soldering irons too" This is quite possibly your best joke yet

[@davidhbrown0us]

That's where I had to stop watching 'cause I was laughing too hard to pay attention!

[@GarryNichols]

Your timing is perfect Marco. 😂

[@jb3757]

I didn't get this before reading your comment as I was laughing at the previous jokes, this channel is underrated in my opinion.

[@tcurdt]

How can such an expensive station have such horrible UI response time? WTF?!

[@panbekon1470]

Indeed, i think every one who ordered that device asks the same question. Junk

[@AndersEinarHilden]

Could you make a quicker separate UI module that controls the station via RS232?

[@panbekon1470]

@@AndersEinarHilden yes, but no. And that is related with "robot" function he mentioned int the movie. Protocol is described but works only when Robot is Enabled, but then handles stop working with cradles - you need to start and stop heating through rs232

[@panbekon1470]

@@AndersEinarHilden it is possible, but only if someone would make an effort of sniffing serial communication over USB with JBC app and would emulate it. However app is crap also and controlling station through app is not as simple as one would imagine. I tried, but after while app stopped even turning on so i gave up.

[@anononomous]

@@FooBar89 Or give them any money.

[@Christian-ti7wh]

I have worked with JBC soldering stations for probably 15 years now. Tips can be changed so quickly so I use a lot of different ones. Since I do not see some of my favorite tips in your video I would recommend a couple for you to try: C245785: A barrel tip that makes soldering through hole components much easier, especially on planes. With a little experience you also get really uniform joints. C245966: A heavy duty tip for large stuff. I use it to solder copper strips or mesh, for large wires or bus bars. You would not believe what you can solder... I even solder copper strips to my ground plane in the EMC lab for permanent installation of LISNs or CDNs. C245034: A short bent tip for soldering small SMDs or IC pins to ground planes. C245949: A blade to tin PCBs and desolder connectors. Since I have to desolder board to wire connectors quite often, I have a couple of different widths of these blades. You can heat up all the pins at once and easily pull the connector out. ...and a tip for tweezer usage: I use them quite often for desoldering 2 pin components. Especially if the wire is rather large for the hole or if you have a plane on the top side the desolder iron sometimes cannot suck all the solder out. Add a little solder, heat up both contacts, gently wiggle and feel when the solder is molten all the way through, then pull the component out. 2 Stories about tip life: I am in engineering, but I Introduced JBC for production in the last 2 companies I worked for. While I have never worn out or broken a tip myself I hear complaints from production sometimes. There are extended life tips that should last considerably longer but also switching to those did not help. After investigating a little I found that the simple reason is the wrong tip for the job. Some workers will use the same tip for everything and they end up using way too small tips. If the solder does not flow instantly instead of more waiting they use more force. After they bend the tip, you can bend it back maybe once but shortly after it will break off. Depending on what they have to solder barrel or spoon tips can help since you need a lot more force to break them. Sadly this is not only related to production. In my last company I had my own station with a handpiece and tweezers. I only ordered new tips when I needed a different shape. I don't think I have ever broken one in the 5 years I worked there. Where I work now everyone has his station with just the handpiece and we have a large station in the middle of the engineering department with tweezers and all the other jazz. It seems that people use the .3mm tweezer tips like pliers and break them off. Even though they do not have much time on them I have to replace them every month.

[@sasazenny1750]

"We're six minutes in and we haven't even turned on the station, only the viewers" SAVAGE!

[@supernumex]

23:59 I've heard that cycling from room temp up to 300C repeatedly puts more thermal stress than keeping it at 150C and then going to 300C.

[@digitalradiohacker]

My cheap 858 hot air gun continues to run the fan after switching off the heating element so that it doesn't heat-soak too badly. I guess it makes sense in a production environment to keep the iron at some medium temp because it won't get a chance to cool down anyway, and produces less thermal stress.

[@dasflugdasflug4201]

25:26 'Rossmanian sea of flux' you definitely made my day, thank you.

[@Onomacritus]

Me too!

[@NoLandMandi]

I don't think that package was accidental or due to internal miscommunication, I think they were generous and also wanted to show the whole shebang!

[@jondough76]

The Windows 95 bit really made me chuckle. I certainly wasn't expecting it.

[@randynovick7972]

Okay first - great as always to see Dex at work. Second, it took me ten minutes to mop the floor of drool inspired by this fantastic exhibition. Thank you, I guess.

[@st3althyone]

Yay, more Marco is always appreciated. Thanks for all your excellent content, my friend. It’s always appreciated. Your reviews are always concise and have tons of helpful information. All us nerds, thank you, mate. Stay safe, and we’ll see you on the next one!🥰🥰 Edit: That JBC bundle is so damn sexy!

[@treemanevergreen]

Thanks to your videos I've suggested we switch to JBC at work two years ago. The rubber seals on the T245 and T210 have been there when we got our first stations. The only complaint my female coworkers have is that the T245 handle is a bit thick but without the pad it gets too hot to handle for a longer period of time. From our experience the tips seem to hold up for around 100h of work before we have to replace them.

[@jaro6985]

100h is ridiculously low in terms of tip life.

[@Guds777]

I am no Eco green left wingnut but i like when all the accessories comes in paper instead of mountains of plastic waste. Someone has earned his salaries...

[@argentaccounts9960]

The upgrade to JBC has vastly increased the speed and quality of work/rework in my workshop. I have two irons, a through hole desoldering tool and now, a hit air station. Big $$$ but the saving in time over a year has more than paid for everything.

[@Afrotechmods]

JBC FTW. I love your random jokes.

[@oldguy9051]

This was the first time I consciously liked a 32+ minutes ad.

[@unprintable469]

Once you go JBC you'll never go back to something else. 🤩

[@acoustic61]

@@Runco990 I recently acquired some used Metcal and it seems pretty good to me.

[@MarkDenovich]

Because you spent a ton of money on JBC and don’t want to admit you should have bought the Metcal in the first place.

[@nickstanley5064]

Idk, for that much cash, I expected the UI to be way snappier.

[@unprintable469]

​@@nickstanley5064 I am working daily with it (full workplace incl. hot air station) - once it has booted I don't feel any problems... Ok well, I refer to the daily use of the station. I never adjust deeper settings (station name, etc.) than temperature or amount of air and so on.

[@unprintable469]

​@@MarkDenovich Hmm, Metcal also seems to be very expensive, and the UI doesn't look better at all... Which station are you referring to?

[@juliannesermon8057]

I use an older model digital JBC station, cost me a pretty penny even second-hand but never once regretted it. Absolute pleasure working with it.

[@user-lj1ee8jr5n]

No way you pulled up a synth! I can only imagine how much you've played with those. You made my weekend and brought back the excitement I had as a kid for electronics!

[@KerbalLauncher]

31:00, the dsPIC33 does not have floating point, though it looks like there is heavily optimized assembly for software float.

[@EgonSorensen]

Solder/Rework Stations seems to be going 'back-to-the-good-old-days' in size :ø) Since I don't do work that require documentation on each solder joint, I am happy to stay with my 2 channel Metcal mx-500p-21 - aaah, the good old analogue days with equipment that 'just works', but ok - taking a 1 week course on setting up the iron could be fun too ;ø)

[@anononomous]

Amazing bit of kit, but that front end 😬 Even if it's not an easy upgrade for them, how is it deemed acceptable at the price?!

[@didgitalpunk]

For the startup time, it’s an industrial iron, you turn it on at the start of the day and leave it on. For the input lag, absolutely inacceptable.

[@tobic2139]

For recovery soldering tips which not stick solder you can also use citric acid powder and solder paste. I use this method since many years and I was able to recovery JBC C245 Tips which I found in trash.

[@ruadeil_zabelin]

I've always been very happy with my jbc station after it was highly recommended by eev blog. Interrestingly, the station I have boots instantly, and the thing is ready to go within seconds. It's so nice. That software is unacceptable.. being a programmer myself... looking you trying to use that menu made my eye twitch

[@nacholoco5325]

Jo! Thist setup rocks! I'm working with it for almost 6 Years now and I still enjoy it every time I take the iron of its base and it does it's job better than any iron I used the last 30 years of pcb work , Wish you a lot of fun with that neat toy ;-)

[@elliesagestar]

"absolutely rossmannian amount of flux" :D :D :D good one

[@WR3slo]

I have used 2 different vacuum desoldering stations and I always missed the first pull. My idea was to build one with a small reservoir which would hold a vacuum and have a solenoid valve opening it.

[@nachbelichtet]

The German electronic legend Burkhard Kainka built one: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZnWdq2An69kqsU

[@DreitTheDarkDragon]

I wonder if pneumatic ejectors could be used for this task or if this pump makes stronger vacuum.

[@rommac100]

The exclusive control is pretty common with most testing equipment at least so that isn't surprising that the JBC implements it the same. Maybe implement a separate button based interface using that RS-232 so that the touchscreen doesn't have to be used.

[@JamesChurchill]

Yeah, the "it's a safety feature" explanation was such an obvious lie it's practically offensive. The front panel clearly uses the serial interface internally to control the station, which is what prevents it being used by something else unless it's disabled.

[@kaukospots]

@@JamesChurchill well that does make it a safety feature, just in the "two sources of operational control are colliding" sense!

[@K.D.Fischer_HEPHY]

Once you go JBC, you dont go back. Loving my JBC NASE Station for all SMD actions (down to 0201 chiptypes). Yeah, they are not exactly cheap but its like having a FLUKE Multimeter. You use these tools without even thinking about them anymore because they just work.

[@tHaH4x0r]

32:20 Personally I have just purchased a new JBC station (the regular CD-2BQF) 1 week ago, and I too had purchased a T245 handle in the past for DIY screwing about. Just like you I was surprised to find that the T245 handle with the station came with a rubber seal (which nicely fits on the other handle I had as well). So it does seem to be new, and at least not restricted to just the higher end JBC stations.

[@panbekon1470]

Most likely they found out adding small rubber/silicon piece saves them answering ton of emails and phonecalls

[@tinygriffy]

I melted some rosin in a small metal snuff tin, added a small amount of flux (and some eucalyptus oil but that's optional I guess) to keep the rosin relatively soft when cooled, thew a piece of solder sponge in and let it soak.. that's my tip cleaning sponge...bob..jar.. I claim to have the shiniest best smelling ..🤔.. soldering iron in the universe :)

[@KilleriHauki]

We have 2 of these at work. Love them otherwise but they just don't work at our grid 90% of time for some arcane reason which JBC couldn't solve in over a year. EMI filters did not help. All the non-touchscreen models work for some reason, the hot air, 2 tool stations, heavy duty station and nano station. So now 2x of 2 channel models will replace the DME's. Good thing they stack. Performance is without fault and the super fast tip change make these way way better than Metcal. We have in total like 50 different tips. T470 is my favourite since you can get like 4cm wide tip for special needs. Or just put a high thermal mass tip and solder 25mm² cable to copper fill at 300c without fear of delamination The footpedal is used to power the tweezers so you can handle MLCC more safely

[@SebastiaanSwinkels]

As someone who has spent far too much on JBC tools already owning a DDE, a couple of stands / tools, and more tips than I could stand to count, I find myself heading over to the JBC site once again. For window shopping that is.

[@Rob_65]

I could only afford the cheapest JBC T245 with their analog base unit but I love that thing. It boots up instantly and starts melting any lead or lead-free solder within seconds. At work we have the more advanced, still budget, digital base units and these also do a great job. The only problem I have - or I should say my colleagues - have with the T210 is that the tips don't withstand too much abuse. I keep telling them that "chisel tip" does not mean you can use it to pry parts loose from a PCB but they still keep trying 😵 Apart from that, the JBC tips (cartridges) do last a very long time when you keep them clean, tinned and don't use them as a chisel, screw driver or prying bar.

[@dfgaJK]

26:22 What are the/a good pair of tweezers? What is the closest to a TS100 compatible C210 20 cartridge?

[@A13tech]

Hi, we have JBC at work, a few dual channel DDE beasts plus two channel pre-heater, hot air and bunch of small table stations. Everything handles heavy duty R&D usage very well. Nothing break for last 3-4 years of daily use. I like DDE more bcs. physical buttons and boots up in few seconds. However, the desolder gun needs cleaning of the suction hole quite often and tip regenerator is also must have for it. This equipment is designed to last for ever and ever. I have CD-2D at home as hobbyist and it was the best spent money period...

[@panbekon1470]

Totally agree with your opinion. We also have both 2 and 4 channel and I like 2 chanel more. It also powers up faster.

[@Slot1Gamer]

I have a C210 Chinese clone station with genuine tips and I have to say I think it has made me a JBC fanboy for life hahah Maybe one day I can afford the 100% real deal set up

[@jb3757]

I'd say the 150 'C standby temperature is to extend the cartridge lifespan as increasing and decreasing the temp rapidly through a wide window will put a lot of stress on those metals, heaters, sensors...etc. I personally use 200 'C as the standby Temp for 20 minutes before putting the baby to sleep.

[@velinr]

My favorite desoldering method for electrolytics is 10mm wide chisel tip. It works VERY fast. No need for preheating even for multilayer boards.

[@KGE64]

At work we use JBC soldering stations also and I absolutely love the soldering irons/tips but I am not a big fan of the desoldering iron. It is cumbersome to take apart (try removing the glass or metal reservoir if you have replaced the rubber gaskets recently...) and needs very frequent cleaning and replacing the filters to keep the unit working. Suction is marginal. The smaller desoldering tips can not transfer sufficient heat and once you press the button the airflow cools down the tip and solder too much. The bigger desoldering tips have a wide opening at the end but a very small opening further on which cause clogging very easily. The pump can not supply enough vacuum to get rid of the clogging (for example from laquer/conformal coating on the PCB. Also the sound is annoying (as you already found out).

[@lpeter1172]

do you know of a better desoldering iron?

[@KGE64]

@@lpeter1172 not yet, do you ?

[@69uremum]

I'd like to see marco test out a "tec extension module" that lets you use a nt115 series hand-piece with the compact station, I'm sure it would work fine with the larger 4 iron station.

[@MrNoobed]

A lot of UI can use a resistive touch display really well. If you get a stylus you can be much more accurate than on capacitive

[@OneBiOzZ]

Im slowly but surely being convinced that i need a proper legitimate JBC soldering station

[@milk-it]

Bravo, danke fürs Video, Marco. Du hast wirklich das Pro und Kontra sehr gut demonstriert. Ich danke Dir auch für die Löttipps! I recently upgraded my soldering station to the JBC CD-2BQF and my hot air station to the JBC JTSE-2A. I couldn't be more satisfied with them. I'm going to abandon my Hakko desoldering gun in favour of the JBC in this video and get a pair of tweezers, too. This equipment is just bulletproof.

[@PE1MR]

My older JBC does not have that seal. Seems a good improvement. I did have some connection issues after switching tips in the past due to dust/dirt in the shaft.

[@nrdesign1991]

12:01 This is the SAME EXACT reason why some of my colleagues at work aren't bothered by compressed air noises, vaccuum cleaners and loud metalwork power tools when someone is doing microscopic solder work in the same hall.

[@cloudcultdev]

Ok, my dog went nuts when you sampled the squeaky toy...well played, sir!

[@devjock]

Honestly, this is the first timer I've seen a soldering station with a LAN port. That's pretty cool!

[@junioroqc]

not rj45

[@janklas7079]

I have been in some discussions about soldering setups lately, usually me defending JBC. Morons claiming that JBC isn't used in the industry, but it always has to be Weller or Hakko. Which is utter bullshit. JBC is THE premium brand. I am very jealous of your setup. I only own the JBC-CD2B soldering station. Which I have loved since the day I got it.

[@RonLaws]

i think the setting to keep it at 150C on standby is intended for sustained use during a shift, if for example you're hand soldering on an assembly line, or continually working with it with short breaks. and maybe to reduce the thermal stresses on the cartridge.

[@AThreeDogNight]

Man what a great unit & also the review wasn't lacking either so TY Marco for such an excellent video.

[@nicolasjonasson4820]

What are those sheets called that you use for flux cleaning? What material? Where to buy? (the paper like part that you soak with alkohol)

[@skeggjoldgunnr3167]

I was drinking a fairly expensive microbrew ale when you demonstrated Dexter's toy whistle in the vacuum tube. Now Ive got a thick syrup of Porter all over my new breadboard and circuitry.

[@videocommenter235]

Good boy moment == automatic 10/10 video

[@hernancoronel]

Thanks for the great review Marco. I am a noob hobbyist but I LOVE HIGH quality tools, I am sure I will find a good excuse to buy some of these in the future. Keep up the great content!

[@mckidney1]

I love the sound, it is still noise, but does not trigger me by itself

[@NINEWALKING]

Yes rubber plug is new thing, Makes want to buy new handle :) JBC Stations are working great for me and have transformed soldering for me. I own few other active tip soldering stations and few old school once and nothing touches JBC experience.

[@panbekon1470]

You can buy just rubbers, no need for new handle.

[@petersmith5199]

My comment on the video is this....your English is amazing! Thank you. ...

[@richard-sim]

28:00 - Not just the T210 is good enough for day-to-day work, but my go-to is actually the JBC NT115 nano-handset. I'll reach for the T210 for heavier stuff, but very rarely the T245 as I just don't do much stuff at the kind of sizes that its thermal advantages start to become necessary (though the C245 tip range is one reason I'll sometimes go for it too). JBC is _that_ awesome, that such a tiny iron can do 90% of my work extremely well. Oh, and the boot time on the Nano Rework stations is a tiny fraction of that of the DME. :)

[@Danni4096]

I think that sluggish UI is done on purpose. It might have a long debouncing period. When you use the calculator it has greater response time than the main buttons.

[@vgamesx1]

24:00 Not an opinion, just a thought, maybe it's to reduce thermal cycling, so it doesn't constantly go from cold to blazing hot, but I have no idea if that would ever actually matter for an iron.

[@whoisntwhoisit2126]

You make me want to order one of these for the test period. I have been using an Auxin T3A with legit JBC tips and LOVING IT! I can't imagine it getting much better but my goodness would I love to see! Boy did I speak to soon, I would immediately throw this thing away after dealing with the boot screen and thrown the trash can out too after seeing the Windows 95 bullshit. You have amazing soldering gear, stop fucking it up with software JBC!!!!! Awesome video as always!

[@BartKus]

A small vacuum reservoir might help that tool deal with the initial pull surge.

[@pomonabill220]

At one of my previous jobs, I used a Pace station that did the same thing. I looked up why it did that and found out that the initial high pulse was to remove the initial pool of solder, then low speed was for removing the remaining solder. Still annoying though.

[@danbrit9848]

i have a one box solder/hot air station for 60 bucks on amazon or ebay ...has a adjustable power supply for projects too lasts for years and dose grate job

[@MCsCreations]

Pretty impressive equipment indeed, dude! Fantastic review!!! 😃 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@teslakovalaborator]

Nice synth, are we getting a video on that? And not to mention your old quest of connecting your Formant to the OneTesla!

[@derkeksinator17]

Having used the micro tweezers for quite some time, I'd never want to go back. Especially with angled flat tips!

[@tomking6006]

That's the second biggest anti-static mat I've ever seen

[@Gengh13]

That rubber seal seems to be new, at least when I bought mine 5 years ago it wasn't present. And you can configure the pedal to heat the hot tweezers.

[@fullwaverecked]

Nice package Marco!... I ment the soldering station. That's got everything! Ehhrrr... Where's the sink?

[@ArthurBenemann]

Superb job. Better than the original!

[@justovision]

I use a good plumbing solder (LA-CO 22101) as a tip cleaner and "refresher". It's cheap, and a 2oz jar will last you years. Of course I'm just slumming it with Hakko style irons and tips.

[@JFirn86Q]

Love your videos, keep up the awesome work & presentation. Thanks man

[@bogdansofalca6946]

Your tip might not like what you've done at 21:55. There's a special cutout in the stand for that. Nice video tough.

[@TheDefpom]

Oh nice, you got some soldering tweezers! I would love some of those!

[@dfgaJK]

16:39 DO THE INDUCTOR, DO THE INDUCTOR..... 16:55 sorry I have to clean up I'll be back in a moment... 🤣

[@inductivethinking]

There is a pneumatic vacuum pump option that works much better and is more silent than the electric pump.

[@dfgaJK]

12:23 Were they really that loose?🙂 This alone temps me..... but I'm poor so it can only but tempt me into wishing I own one 😞

[@kallestri3635]

hello, I am currently trying to assemble my own electronics lab on a bit more reasonable budget than those nice things, could you give me (and the internet as a whole) any tips on what stuff to get and what to skip. Thanks

[@twipsy2047]

4:10 Ah, i ever wondered what those rubber seals are for: for keeping out the flux fumes. It would not have occured to me that this is an issue - even though we had been using like three or four dozens of theese stations for multiple hours daily on our production floor.

[@jasharin]

can't say i'm shocked to see you playing with a modular synth

[@hobbified]

Thing is, fine, the front panel MPU is a dozen years old... but it's still a 400+ MHz ARM9. You should be able to do at least a *passable* job with that. Hell, we had more responsive devices running on 8-bit micros. The problem isn't that they cheaped out on parts, the problem is that they took entirely the wrong approach and then ran with it when the results turned out to be crap. I wouldn't be surprised if that whole UI was HTML/JS.

[@makermatthew]

Hello Marco, superb video as usual, do you have a part number for those superfine tweezers?

[@KnowledgePerformance7]

The video we have been waiting for!

[@johnkapri6306]

I bet there is a regular T-245 handle in that desoldering tool. It looks just like a plastic shell around one.

[@chaitanyasindagi1237]

We have this station at work and while it works really well the interface is pure trash. They have a 2-tool model with their older physical button-based UI so we exchanged for two of those because this was just way too difficult to do basic things like changing temperature

[@QsTechService1]

What's thinking about upgrading to the 4 port .. Touch panel but after seeing that boot time I don't know .. What's your thoughts on the tweezers I really don't care for them they have a design flaw where they stick Where they don't open smooth Do you experience that where they stick a little bit ?

[@fragdude]

Have you ever tried out Metcal irons? (Apologies if they were part of your testing in a previous video) I was looking for a new iron a while back after getting annoyed with the performance of my very first iron. Did some research, found an old one on eBay & have been very impressed. Not sure if the newer ones have data ports, but seems like the info they provide can be used to get a sort of temp curve - but the different method of heating probably complicates this? But the standby function with the stands is passive using a magnet to disrupt the magnetic field that heats the tips. So maybe not worth it for those that want to connect their air extractors to the iron … unless one can get a Hall effect sensor to recognize when an iron is causing the field to change? I dunno

[@SeanHodgins]

I'm jealous.

[@Foga001]

Nice viđeo as always! After it i understood the thumbnail.

[@johnh1353]

Haven't used any JCB desoldering stations but out of the dozen i've used the metcal MX was the best ... would like to see how it compares to the JCB

[@pigbox2000]

Saturday has just been safed 🎉

[@sdrshnptl]

You will be amazed, within a minute of uploading people liking video.. because content is 🔥

[@rfekztjpkrpd4988]

We also got one at work and I found one in my opintion major and one cosmetic problem. The tips of the microsoldering tweezers can be adjusted (rotation and within the plane). But this "within the plane adjustment" causes furhter friction when pinching together. This is really annoying, because you can't apple a lot of pressure to a 0603 component or it will fly away. But you need a lot of pressure to pinch the tweezers. Cosmetic: the halves of the desoldering iron har a burr and did not match nicely. Does not impede the function, but I would not expect that from a 3-4000€ device.

[@tolkienfan1972]

Love it. One of your funniest! And I dream of using equipment like that.

[@steadikek]

Damn, at that price point the start-up time and sluggish menus are downright insulting...

[@adipuiu5603]

The new sound of the pump will overflow your PCBs with high grade ppm goodness.

[@jordanclarke2996]

Thanks for another great video (I've just become a Pateron!) Cheers

[@Jeroen74]

Brass sponses are ideal too to wipe off just removed components that stick to the iron.

[@NNNILabs]

Can confirm that each one of these tools is really nice to use