finally, a one without the ear busting noise at the end
@Swagtfiy2 жыл бұрын
it sounds unusual after you heard it so much, but it's perfect
@ZillyZip2 жыл бұрын
@@Swagtfiy yea
@elpico994 Жыл бұрын
You don’t know how many times I had to go through other videos just to find one like this.
@NIGHTDOGOC Жыл бұрын
The first time it happened I got freaked out
@RQY1239 ай бұрын
Agree
@pio_mk Жыл бұрын
Translations: 0:56 - "Do you want to die? You son of a b*tch?" 1:45 - "Smile laugh" (what) 2:05 - "your escape doesn't work"
@Lolcanyoudies6 күн бұрын
To the 2:05 i have to say " with this computer i summon.. TASK MANAGER
@SEGASONIC.2 жыл бұрын
This song is so good I can feel no more Innocence coming inside of me
@LyferMuSICK2 жыл бұрын
😦
@UnknownCell2 жыл бұрын
😦
@johanagutierrez26592 жыл бұрын
😧
@peanutcruncher13492 жыл бұрын
😧
@Inky21622 жыл бұрын
😨
@krispyboi91622 жыл бұрын
What I love about your music is you make the tracks sound like a final boss fight. It gets your heart pumping and makes you wanna try to win even harder. And the CoreKiller motif just was the icing on the cake. (Not to even mention the fnf mod for this song, cause that’s self explanatory.)
@mitee13342 жыл бұрын
Bro where is the motif, i can't find it
@zekeyz2 жыл бұрын
@@mitee1334 here I think 1:25
@Minova9582 жыл бұрын
if the voices are gone and if you let the instrumental play then it is like a dark souls boss music
@iplaygames333 Жыл бұрын
WHY YOU NEED TO FIND IT@@mitee1334
@MostrandomM_toexisttoday7 ай бұрын
Jesus loves ya all and He wants you to turn to Him and repent, it’s your choice if you want to or not…
@leog95732 жыл бұрын
So you made the song for the "No More Innocence" mod that's making waves as of recent? Well you just earned a like and sub cuz I'm addicted to this song
@derppug2 жыл бұрын
@popcorn. They were refencing the backstory of the mod. No More Innocence is a bootleg version of sonic.
@badWIFIgenie Жыл бұрын
@@derppugNo, They said Bootleg of the Song.
@axosotll Жыл бұрын
@@badWIFIgenie NMI is a bootleg version of sonic that makes you addicted to the game, this song about NMI makes you addicted too, so by that logic it's bootleg too, like in the creepypasta. Why can't y'all understand the joke?
@devlonmurray6959 Жыл бұрын
@@badWIFIgeniebruh it was a joke
@thetastlol2 жыл бұрын
2:05 For those who do not know Korean: *_your escape doesn't work_*
@LeadusTheUnfortunate2 жыл бұрын
Your escapism is failing you.
@mitee13342 жыл бұрын
Wait he aren’t Japanese ?
@garfieldthegato2 жыл бұрын
@@mitee1334 nah, Korea
@mitee13342 жыл бұрын
@@garfieldthegato whatever man
@lekamapida3212 жыл бұрын
b3 bf is Korean and he came before N_M_I
@spiralingbrian2 жыл бұрын
Real Talk, much like 1CoreKiller this song slaps much like it! I also like the fact you used TGT's Tails chromatic scale, and let's not forget the sick 1CoreKiller Reference of the sorts in 1:25 and ending around 1:45 much like all the songs your creating so far for this community I have never found one that missed, Great Job Lyfer. Can't wait to see what you and the NMI team can pull off with the future update!
@HH_isReal2 жыл бұрын
Its from the creator of 1CoreKiller
@spiralingbrian2 жыл бұрын
@@HH_isReal I known that for a long while now.
@HH_isReal2 жыл бұрын
@@spiralingbrian didnt see the 4 months ago thing lol
@spiralingbrian2 жыл бұрын
@@HH_isReal lmfao it's cool take care
@Sunky.MPEG_ Жыл бұрын
If he makes an update, nmi is bout to turn off your pc
@altariaethar2 жыл бұрын
When i heard that CoreKiller motif i immediately recognized this as your work, i’m glad you’re still alive and kicking in the fnf community because your music is DAMN AMAZING lol
@chronoboostboy74592 жыл бұрын
I remember hearing a corekiller reference when I first listened to this. Now I know why. Same creator!
@chronoboostboy74592 жыл бұрын
1:26 - 1:46
@ZoroLive20052 жыл бұрын
Aight im a tad late but, playing vs no more innocence was an experience. During the chaos of the surroundings and the coding shit, this song stuck out and made me enjoy this mod 10x more. You’re musics amazing and I hope to here more things like this, I had to make a cover of this song it’s just too good man.
@The-Other-Man10 ай бұрын
despite the eardrum blasting jumpscare at the end of the mod where this came from, this song really goes hard
@funkinfunkhead2 жыл бұрын
Really hope I aint the only one but only now I just found out that you were behind this masterpiece of a song for NMI. That 1CORE KILLER reference hit me so hard now that I've relistened to that one recently lmao. Anyways this mod was killer! Keep up the awesome work! I've also kept the NMI mouse since then, it's way too cool to change back.
@derpydevin252 жыл бұрын
your not the only one
@pedrosousa4896 Жыл бұрын
My man is everywhere
@DanimatesYoutube2 жыл бұрын
i think i can safely say you are one of THE most underrated fnf musicians in the entire community by a wide margin. 1corekiller, every Friday night MoM song, and this, you just keep getting swept under the rug time and time again and that STINKS TO HIGH HELL. please keep doing what you do and improve your already incredible skillset you madlad.
@MegaHP20112 жыл бұрын
La verdad el concepto de No More Inocence es bastante original al igual que el de Starved Eggman... Y la canción es bastante buena... Además de las frases en coreano. Te quedó muy bien
@dante.A_ Жыл бұрын
Pensé que esto ya estaba traducido XD
@rickanimationsnewchannel2 жыл бұрын
translation: Do not resist. . . Please come. Whatever you do I will never get out of your head. Your escape never works!!!
@1nfineo1nfinite2 жыл бұрын
"OO AA OO AA AA AAAGH" - No More Innocence, probably
@sandclover2 жыл бұрын
OMG LYFER YOU MADE THIS?!!?!??! actually no that makes sense. knew those fast parts sounded too much like corekiller
@LordExetior2 жыл бұрын
An absolute banger out of nowhere. I am absolutely a fan of your work my friend.
@AlexMitchell-d8m2 жыл бұрын
Just found this and I got to say..... Hot DAMN is this song honestly a funkin jam to listen to all the way through and I really like the vocals that were used for this as well.
@art_meth44482 жыл бұрын
THAT VISUALIZER THOUGH Jeezus that looks fancy
@Volejr2 жыл бұрын
dude i even set my mouse icons to ones from the mod (the laughing one as selecting text , and normal one as "Busy") thank you
@TempestKrimps2 жыл бұрын
man this song is so cool i sure hope that the mod associated with it respects the boundaries of my game window and won't try any funny shenanigans with my desktop haha
@DarealVinbo2 жыл бұрын
No fucking WONDER there was a core killer motif in this song! You my man, are talented and have done a spot on job portraying one of if not the most creepiest exes out there
@TheOctano2 жыл бұрын
Hermano. Que hermosura mas putamente bien hecha, lo amo con mi alma
@benjaminon00b902 жыл бұрын
THIS. IS. SO. FUCKING. SICK! ngl it bangs harder than Sonic.EXE's songs, the 1CoreKiller leitmotif is just *CHEF'S KISS!!!!* but my only reason to give this song a 9.9/10 is the Chromatics. NMI'S vocals sound weird and TGT tail's vocals sound way too calm for someone who's crying and shaking and Screaming! that aside, Fire Song, Lyfer!
@CrucifixBurmesemyanmar Жыл бұрын
Fr
@EnbhyySpdes4 ай бұрын
2 years later and its STILL PEAK
@Rawtor.2 жыл бұрын
alto tema te sacaste hermano, si llegas a sacarla en spotify me muero de la felicidad
@egghead-1282 жыл бұрын
1:16 beautiful
@toneprime36222 жыл бұрын
I like to imagine everytime he makes a nose that isn't him just simply doing the arrows, he begins a chase sequence. Idk why, but that makes this even spookier, and it sends shivers up my spine.
@minicrewmate78652 жыл бұрын
Nose????????
@toneprime36222 жыл бұрын
@@minicrewmate7865 I forget what I tried to say.
@garfieldthegato2 жыл бұрын
@@toneprime3622 perhaps Noise?
@toneprime36222 жыл бұрын
@@garfieldthegato Yeah probabl.y
@amoguseater Жыл бұрын
@@toneprime3622 no i think meant pose
@remiii-drawzzz2 жыл бұрын
Letting People Know The Lore Of Sonic.EXE OCs From Their Wiki Page #1: NO_MORE_INNOCENCE No More Innocence is a character created by Dumbie and was created on 10/14/2021. Overview No More Innocence is a Japanese spirit that feeds on his targets childhood love for the Sonic The Hedgehog franchise, turning it into a serious addiction and necessity to keep playing with the bootleg copy that he resides in. He's a separate entity from Sonic, being more similar to an employee using a Sonic costume to promote the character and franchise as opposed to a possession. He's permanently covered in pitch black shadows, with white highlights on his black quills behaving the same way, these don't act on changes with the environments lighting and will remain in the same exact spots. His lifeless expression only changes when his emotions are way too intense, contorting itself the more he loses composure (examples being genuine pleasure, laughter or frustration) he behaves calm and subtly. while he appears to be really cocky and over confident he keeps to himself a lot and communicates through text a lot of the time. Biography Around a week after the release of Sonic The Hedgehog 2 in Japan, there were different reports surrounding nameless Sega Genesis cartridges containing mediocre imitations of the game which were found to be advertised as nothing but "The New Sonic The Hedgehog Experience". These reports all tended to focus on the many ailments children in possession of these copies were showing-such as very intense headaches, decreasing eyesight and nausea- with a couple of these cases also mentioning their kids not being able to properly walk or keep themselves standing up after 1-2 weeks of playing with the copy. While the symptoms and their intensity seem to vary a lot, what's been kept consistent is how much the victims insist on being completely fine, and being allowed to continue interacting with the bootleg. We haven't found any coherent explanation as to why this keeps happening. These reports have strangely gone under the radar until being re-discovered recently. Any proper studies on said reports haven't made any progress due to cases similar to these beginning to appear in America. There are 10 confirmed cases, to be precise. Most of the investigators and other lawmen who have tried to intervene have experienced trouble sleeping and severe paranoia, making this case extremely intimidating. The number of confirmed cases has had almost no increase but attempts at contacting 911 are growing excessively. These calls are also proving unhelpful however, as they are all distorted in some way. Some are rendered incomprehensible due to a horrible noise resembling static, while others are obscured by what seems to be a third voice in the call which talks over the other caller as they try to speak. However, for quite some time there was a police department in Scottsdale, Arizona who were making steady progress finding the roots to the case; having one of the officer's kids suffering from the bootleg's effects. As all the attention was starting to be drifted towards the group in Scottsdale, more and more of other cases were starting to be less prominent; diving into obscurity, as if they were being forgotten. With information on every case being swept under the rug like this, it was ruthless for the team at Scottsdale to keep following this tactic. And it proved to not be so rewarding once the case seemingly stopped, with not a single update from the team after. It's speculated that it ended once the lead man, father of the ill kid, quit his position after running into a dead end; being received with nothing but his child in a hospital bed. With all of this, it is fascinating how these series of tragedies have, apparently, lost steam. With any of the more recent reports being left overs from previous events; however, strange activities surrounding SEGA have been noticed, as there's been posters hung up near the area claiming there's an individual lying about their position in the company; stating that this isn't a real person. Abilities & Weakness Abilities - Behaves similarly to a poltergeist, being able to move objects from outside the TV as well as different actions of the same vein, such as closing doors. - He is able to morph his face into a more human-like appearance. This gives the victim an overwhelming sense of security, making them feel safe and as if he is someone they’ve grown familiar with. Using this, he is able to lure them in. - He whispers to his victims either as they play or, in most cases, when they're distracted and/or are starting to doubt the time they're spending with the game. These whispers are usually used to manipulate the victim with different reasons as to why it's better to cave into this form of escapism more than they already are. - He can control the intensity of the symptoms his targets experience, which can easily get them hospitalized. As well as making these effects occur when looking at him directly. - He can create hallucinations and illusions, which grow stronger the closer the individual is to NMI's presence. - Can make himself completely intangible. - Is able to manifest himself in newspapers, phone calls and TV ads, of course, showing some limitations in movement and speech compared to his usual self. - If able to get a big enough reach into people's psyche (result of the bootleg being sold as much as the licensed copies), he can manifest into the real world with a human identity and disguise, forcing himself into public consciousness as a SEGA game developer. As if he'd been there from the start. Weaknesses - While he can make himself intangible, due to his own cocky and overconfident nature, he can be caught off guard and potentially harmed in the case he leans out of the TV screen. - Victims can and will most likely recover from the symptoms, they'll suffer from different sequels that will make lots of daily routines difficult but the main threats will fade, this being a result of NMI just finding much more amusement on the long run rather than an abrupt death. - He can be caught in pictures, this being much more prominent with his Skin Suit. - The skin suit is quite flawed, as a result of NMI Being impatient and forcing it's creation. This having different consequences such as it's freakish appearance, which he has to manually hide with illusions of his own. Along with this, since he didn't take the time to carefully create this identity, he's simply known as "Makoto" without having the rest of a proper name. - Without the bootlegs prospering, he wouldn't have anything to feed on, this being a possible end to him. - If seen while the identity of his Skin Suit is still not finished, then the individual won't be affected by it and will be aware that this isn't a real person. Trivia NMI doesn't have any desire to murder his victims, anything that happens to them afterwards won't be his doing. The red background usually seen in his Illustrations is an unfinished zone where the bootleg abruptly ends at, simply named "Zone 3". He is very arrogant and somewhat flamboyant. His insides are completely black, with his "blood" resembling gasoline. He grows a liking for the Sonic franchise the more he involves himself with it, mainly during his Skin Suit era. NMI doesn't experience sexual or romantic attraction. Grey palm trees are somewhat consistent parts of his imagery. Has a liking for repeating things an overwhelming number of times. The only time he makes any sort of audible noise outside of his whispering and occasional belittling is with his chuckles, along with displaying "笑" on screen numerous times. Would have a distaste for any of the more bruised and marked .exe's, seeing it as an insult to the Sonic franchise. He thinks the concept of eating and anything that involves it is gross. Dislikes the idea of calling himself god or being seen as one despite how full of himself he is, he just thinks he's a bit more clever than most. NMI has shown his real face to a small number of people while using the Skin Suit, knowing pretty well they won't be able to explain what happened. He finds it fun. without his illusions, the Skin Suit's real head is quite flat, resembling a mask. But it can distort itself and morph due to its unfinished state.
@A.Z.2962 жыл бұрын
So its like TMK except it can manifest in reality? Cool
@Ssaggss2 жыл бұрын
Mucho texto
@so_rubbish2 жыл бұрын
AE-
@zoeyuroboros57399 ай бұрын
@@A.Z.296 what is TMK
@A.Z.2969 ай бұрын
@@zoeyuroboros5739 Kirby
@AleMusa2 жыл бұрын
God damn this is true PEAK
@mattaltcuzigothacked2 жыл бұрын
this is my fav ever creepware stuff mod
@eniayuwokijiji3102 жыл бұрын
1:24 me recuerda algo....
@Zarko-ZamadianGoverment2 жыл бұрын
JEBUS?!
@rocodex7 ай бұрын
😱😱😱😱@@Zarko-ZamadianGoverment
@imgonpunchurface2 жыл бұрын
translations of the text 0:57 Do you want to die? You bastard? 2:05 Your escape is Does not work the text is in korean for some odd reason
@deganimations2 жыл бұрын
yeah NMI is Japanese so that's a bit strange
@Zombrehh2 жыл бұрын
@@deganimations He's an japanese spirit
@Zombrehh2 жыл бұрын
Your escape does not work*
@deganimations2 жыл бұрын
@@Zombrehh I know I was saying how it's weird he speaks Korean because of that.
@deganimations2 жыл бұрын
@@Zombrehh that's the text that appears for 1/2 a second in between the first section and second section in lyfer's music video
@RollerLhite2 жыл бұрын
lyfer te amo hermano
@Zarko-ZamadianGoverment2 жыл бұрын
Omg this sounds so GOOOD
@pluh1292 жыл бұрын
There Truly is No More Innocence.
@naroxa_yes.4762 Жыл бұрын
WAIT YOU MADE THIS SONG? Alright you're a new favorite artist
@Hollowed_Trinity5 ай бұрын
Another song that holds up REALLY well
@brunettebi41114 ай бұрын
NMI is honestly one of the most terrifying things I've ever seen, and it doesn't help that he would torment me due to my love of Sonic media.
@bonedude6662 жыл бұрын
1:26 D-did they put a 1COREKILLER reference in this song? I love it now.
@LunaxioProductions2 жыл бұрын
I heard he always does that.
@KrimCLmusic2 жыл бұрын
Demasiado Banger y el visualizer OOOFFF
@slasher_art62862 жыл бұрын
HOLY I LOVE THIS
@Yvan7132 жыл бұрын
You're the creator of this song, wow! This mod is creepy (and not very innocent too XD) GG for this!
@kiermanplayz Жыл бұрын
i translated the language from the description heres what i got:Don't resist. . . Please come. Whatever you do, I will never get out of your head. Your escapades never work!!!
@f.victor14602 жыл бұрын
The best song in FNF Forever, I've goin to install this like a song for my phone ringtone
@Nombrenocreativo2 жыл бұрын
No voy a mentir,casi me da un infarto cuando en mi ordenador salió el mensaje de "GOOD LUCK", o cuando intente sacarlo y me puso "YOU CAN'T DELETE ME,IDIOT" bien implementado la verdad aunque me enoja un poco q no lo pude haber pasado porque estaba en upscroll,en fin detalles
Este es el músico de fnf y músico en general más infravalorado de todos sin duda alguna.
@gralalaneMoth Жыл бұрын
how did you make him sound like that? I even refuse to accept the standard voices of any monsters as "just a low scary voice, with a bitcrash effect" here it suits him very well! I even tried to make a similar laugh and voice.
@D4CloverOwO2 жыл бұрын
Amo demasiado tus canciones :DDD
@VisokaWrenPictutes2 жыл бұрын
When youre happy you like the melody, when youre sad you understand the lyrics My idiot mind:
@PR0J3CTN0ON Жыл бұрын
2:05 : your evasion won't work...
@zeta_ovblivion98710 ай бұрын
i translated the korean description into english, it says: Don't resist... Come. No matter what you do, I will never get out of your head. Your escape never works!!
@ivoneo28062 жыл бұрын
OMG YOU Made this song no more innocence l,m in love this song u made and the creator character everyone did amazing on the song,art new sub keep it up with your work and do what you like, awesome work also l have a question
@StopPostingAboutBALLER.2 жыл бұрын
nobody's talking about this part at 0:39
@Vratislav_IV2 жыл бұрын
yes it's epic
@ninjifansmpj4202 жыл бұрын
Makes me see things, specially at 1:21, where NMI jumpscares you out of nowhere.
@egg_in_do_dindin2 жыл бұрын
이 모드는 제가 좋아하는 모드중 하나입니다!
@13elabandonacanalesTrece Жыл бұрын
やっと安らかに眠れる この歌の結末がわかる そして No More Innocence が誰よりも優れていることを知っている
@CrucifixBurmesemyanmar Жыл бұрын
I can read japanese
@Donk_enjoyer Жыл бұрын
2:35 reminds me of gravity falls (is that just me?)
@Rey_Cruz2 жыл бұрын
Also he just said 저항하지 마십시오. . . 오세요. 당신이 무엇을 하든지 나는 결코 당신의 머리에서 벗어나지 않을 것입니다. 당신의 도피는 결코 작동하지 않습니다!!! meaning this... "I'm sorry... I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry!!!"
@Atrerio20052 жыл бұрын
OPA??? NO MORE INNOCENCE??? Niiice... Por cierto Lyfer, una pregunta. Esta canción es para el mod de No More Innocence que se anuncio en el Unboxing Direct o es para un mod aparte?
@LyferMuSICK2 жыл бұрын
un mod aparte
@Atrerio20052 жыл бұрын
@@LyferMuSICK De igual forma, me genera mucho hype. Lo esperaré pacientemente
@eniayuwokijiji3102 жыл бұрын
@@LyferMuSICK fuaa cuantos mods, fnfmadness, el de godzilla, ahora este, megaman
@CumiNashe2 жыл бұрын
@@eniayuwokijiji310 hola anon (el unico lugar adonde sabia eso ultimo fue ahí)
@eniayuwokijiji3102 жыл бұрын
@@CumiNashe osea habra s3x?
@dominator_virus4272 жыл бұрын
Siiick
@Fihn11 ай бұрын
(Translated from Korean) Description says: "Don't resist... Come. No matter what you do, I will never get out of your head. Your escape never works!!"
@dominator_virus4272 жыл бұрын
Anyone else heard the core killer reference?
@dominator_virus4272 жыл бұрын
@Deyletker LISTEN HARDER
@plush54andzenith53 Жыл бұрын
I honestly did not know that you made this song.
@ea43632 жыл бұрын
Buenisimo como siempre laifersito
@GoofBall8363 Жыл бұрын
this song was too good i turned into no more virginity
@Redistick_rediredis5 ай бұрын
2:03 outs from screen
@unstable1758 Жыл бұрын
Bout to bust
@zoesusername2 жыл бұрын
FINALLY I FOUND WHO MADE THIS SONG instant sub!! ive been addicted to this song
@xxthecavernoverseerxx9 ай бұрын
WE DON’T GOT NO MORE INNOCENCE WITH THIS ONE 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥
@isaacwalker-bi5zb9 ай бұрын
1:21 JUMPSCARE!
@CodyAndForthy Жыл бұрын
This truly feels like a boss battle, amazing work.
@PR0J3CTN0ON Жыл бұрын
i love this music he is amazing good job working on this lyfer !
@BounceM4NMusic2 жыл бұрын
When la creatura is falsely accused of being malware!
@Dimiotis Жыл бұрын
I played this mod and the stuff it pulls off is really impressive, i really liked the mod
@BenjuKatchowee2 жыл бұрын
please chromatic scale FLP anything
@AndriuxDev2 жыл бұрын
I'm making a midi of the song. Expect it not to be 100% accurate, cuz humans make lots of mistakes.
@ChrisIsHere_Boys Жыл бұрын
NMI: 더 이상 순수함은 없어, 테일즈... Tails: bruh i don't speak korea
@vonallengaming13682 жыл бұрын
Tails sounds like Jellybean's vocals in the music
@LJeno_ Жыл бұрын
우왕
@3dstouch2 жыл бұрын
"Soon on spotify!" ...its been months. i dont think its gonna be on spotify.
@iexistinthisworld Жыл бұрын
the description says "do not resist come. whatever you do i will never get out of your head your escape never work!!!"
@downergamin2 ай бұрын
oh no! Not my escape button! It actually means "Your escapism is failing you"
@therealhilium5 ай бұрын
i love how his ingame appearance looks nothing like his actual design
@즐다-x8o Жыл бұрын
0:56 it means "Do you want to die, son of a gun?"
@megad51922 жыл бұрын
Te quiero mucho lifer
@全国6 ай бұрын
D8< BRO IS THAT GIANT MAJIN SONIC.EXE ??????????????????
@dozeringdozer5 ай бұрын
yee
@Cha0tixFaker2 жыл бұрын
Bro it's been months saying it's gonna be on Spotify!!!
@AMC_Lucifer Жыл бұрын
FR LMFAO!!!
@sebastian_y_sus_amigos4 ай бұрын
Omg is this song is cool😢😢
@superiorfox93612 жыл бұрын
noice
@lalothe32412 жыл бұрын
God I love the song I never stop listening to it, but do you know where I can get the voice for No More Innocence?
@CumiNashe2 жыл бұрын
The chromatic? I posted in the channel, i voiced Nmi for this mod
@oli46132 жыл бұрын
This is VERY good, my only problem Is the chromatic. Other than that This song is VERY good like I said before.
@epic_expunged2 жыл бұрын
hey creator of that mod. can you explain why i cant run no more innocence? it just shows up an error and it says "there's no asset of library with an ID of 'characters' "
@PDUMBASS- Жыл бұрын
Sonic trying to convince tails to buy his nft’s:
@xxpedrogames7781 Жыл бұрын
My fuckin ear explodes in thee original mod because of that busted thing
@Saturniscoolio Жыл бұрын
The Text in korean says: Don't resist. . . Please come. Whatever you do, I will never get out of your head. Your escapades never work!!!