MA. v Karen Read Trial Day 7 Afternoon - The group at the Waterfall with video & The Kolokithas'

[@josephsisson]

Lallygag’s score today: “What if anything….” said 136 times! “Sort of…” said 129 times! He pissed me off right out of the gate with his first “What if anything….” so I decided to keep track for the day. Where, if anywhere, did he sort of learn how to sort of, structure questions, if anywhere?!

[@scorpio_moon]

Not Law School, certainly!

[@anitrachere7024]

Omg!! We’re twinning!!!! 😂 I was just literally thinking about replaying the whole case up to this point a start keeping count. My brain quickly said hell no! Don’t do it girl! Also I call him Lally gag too!! I roll my eyes every time he says it! 🙄

[@itsx0aliciadaatea]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 I want to die inside with every "What, if any" like just STOP ALREADY

[@LorenSuJa]

Dear looord! I thought I was over the Elaine trauma...then got ptsd'd by Lally 🥴🤦🏻‍♀️

[@lolo-su6ig]

i love that you kept track!! where, if anywhere, did this man learn, or not, to formulate a question? lol

[@jasl9987]

It is AMAZING the difference in the testimony of the witnesses who are not paramedics or law enforcement. Nobody is splitting hair or fighting how sentences are framed. Really puts into perspective the police and emergency services

[@OpportunisticOmnivore]

Yeah it almost seems like the citizens are NOT trying to hide anything! Just be transparent and share what they know! The first responders on the other handddddd

[@leilaamery]

The police officers, firefighters and paramedics were being defensive because they know what a horrible job they did. Regardless of whether the people of Canton believe that KR is innocent or guilty, they should be horrified by the culture evident from this sampling of their first responders. These first responders don’t believe in being held accountable, in admitting when they are wrong and in evaluating what they can do better. To them, they did their best and they did their job and that should be good enough.

[@sonjasize]

Hiding embarrassment for their incompetence at the very least.

[@CrimeAndTides]

Well said 👍🏼

[@ReinaLovesLaw]

While I think this case is a shit show in regard to the first responders, I'll tell you objectively we are trained to be very careful about how we answer and watch for potholes they might be walking us into based on literal language. For instance we as officers can be placed on the brady list over a misinterpretation of a word. We had a wonderful officer here in CA (seriously great guy) face charges because he put something in his report as plural (a typo) by adding an s to it, and declaring the contents of the report were true under penalty of perjury. His whole life was destroyed. Thank God the jury found him not guilty and saw it for what it was -- a witch hunt by the DA after 2020, but it was still two years and hundreds of thousands of dollars of legal fees for him. I know that's a slightly different situation but I have to think very hard about my words on the stand bc they will tear me apart and risk all my cases. I can't do that to all the victims who rely on my good word and credibility. Hope that helps ❤ (that's CLEARLY not the case here in canton though 🤬)

[@podunkcitizen2562]

""At some point you left the Waterfall"? No, I'm still there in that bar, to this day!

[@melissab7777]

😂😂

[@sonjasize]

This all proves my saying that,”nothing good happens after midnight.” Everything was lovely and then went terribly wrong after midnight.

[@brandeecrooks8842]

I say this too! And also never move to a 2nd location to drink more after hours. It never leads to good things. Or maybe that’s just me 😏

[@LovetheLed]

It makes zero sense that she talked about her admiration for him and her excitement about their trip. And then she became homicidal in the 5-7 minute drive to the after party 🤷🏻‍♀️💜💜

[@leilaamery]

Exactly! I was surprised that the prosecutor spent so much time trying to use the witness to describe what KR was drinking, literally showing her receipt. But he didn’t ask the witnesses whether Karen looked inebriated. Maybe he was scared of the answer.

[@SJG321]

Maybe Jen McCabe is the one they are going to ask about that? She has to be a witness and was telling Karen to come with her. Because she thought she was too drunk to drive?​@@leilaamery

[@chicagodoll]

​@@SJG321jen mccabe is becoming more and more sus to me at this point, so far

[@leilaamery]

@@SJG321It’s true that they can ask Jen McCabe how drunk Karen Read seemed but there was no reason why the prosecutor couldn’t ask this witness either. The witness was very clear how ‘the girls’ were hanging out together. She is equally capable of evaluating whether Karen Read is inebriated or not. If I was a juror, I would be suspicious to me why the prosecutor would only ask Jen McCabe. A third party witness like this one would be a more credible witness than Jen McCabe who has ties to the Alberts.

[@origamikiddo2625]

Yeah, especially if they are arguing there were fights about infidelity during their New Year's trip. I can see if she thought he was cheating and they fought and then things might not have been completely great but they were in the makeup repair part and both trying real hard. And so far the only evidence produced is one person saying she said I hit him with others having differing things she said. And then a glass? But evidence yet to connect it to Karen other than it was similar to the ones at the bar. But now we see other ppl at the waterfall so unless everyone else has beer bottles. But again, like I have glasses at my house that are similar looking to what Karen was drinking from - so it could have come from the house. She drops him off at this house, he is supposed to go hang out there with others, what time are the others coming back to the house, would they not see him on the lawn if they were going to the house?

[@existential-axolotl]

the more I watch this the more questions I have…

[@marymaclaren9553]

Taking the frame up out of the equation, I just can't imagine what law enforcement could possibly find to explain the ferocity of blame and severity of charges. I can see why the defense started considering a frame-up. Nothing is lining up or making sense why this has gone to trial.

[@CharlieLynne-143]

It is a miscarriage of justice! It is upsetting that an Officer lost his life and a woman's life hangs on the the line..because of what?!? A fight on vacation a month ago? Ugh!!

[@jjoyce108]

My theory on the up charge was to see if they could get a confession on body cam footage. I think they realized they didn’t have anything or enough and then they went too far with that. It will come back to haunt the CW because Lally said in open court that the MSP policy is to wear body cam in murder investigations and they did not wear/record any witness statements.

[@countryrat6t6]

I wonder if the cause of death wasn't something much more accidental and simple. But they kind of fumbled the first part of this whole deal poorly that maybe they decided they needed to do something significant in order to make themselves look better? Idk. But the further we get into this, the more likely I think it was just down to something like him drunkenly stumbling in just the wrong spot in the yard. Hitting his head. No one noticed b/c visibility was poor and everyone was at least a few drinks deep. Maybe the broken glass cut up his arm when he fell. But I am still VERY suspicious of the missing hat and shoe. Side note... I have a Subaru, my mom has a Honda, my dad has a Dodge... all three of those vehicles have automatic braking when in drive or reverse. It would he hard to really hit someone in reverse. I'm not sure it would let you automatically over ride that function in reverse like you can in drive. But I'd think a car as upscale as hers would maybe record when it has to engage the automatic braking feature. So I'm interested to see what kind of data they got from the vehicle itself.

[@marymaclaren9553]

@@jjoyce108 Yes, someone yesterday in the PM comments suggested the high charges were them assuming she would just plea down, quick and easy. But why? Why not just start low in the first place? Even the original charges seem high. It seems so counter productive. Nothing makes sense to me. I'm a skeptic at heart, so when I hear conspiracy or someone being framed, I idle at bull crap. But with every day I can't seem to land on anything but her being framed.

[@LorenSuJa]

Well,so far...the "detectives" didnt respected the chain of They frikking didnt respected the crime scene,then didnt used gloves,then used NON STERILIZED bearpong cups,left them at a floor completly opened inside a frikking shopping bag,then place those inside a comunal fridge at their station! Albeit placed Karen into a psich hold ...my feeling? To get time to cover their asses!

[@laurenhelms1161]

Doesn’t him picking up her drink and walking out with it imply that he was potentially drinking some of her vodka sodas during the evening? If he was drinking some of hers that could explain why she’d ordered so many.

[@jamesjackson8292]

Potentially

[@Lei-AICPhD]

Dang that’s good work there

[@Krystaldoll282]

Seems possible that he could have drinking some her drinks.

[@pollyharveypolly]

Yeah, that’s what I thought. They were walking out and he noticed Karen didn’t finish her drink so he picked it up to finish it off.

[@tajneafoster2836]

Yeah agreed

[@Alison1973]

I think they better start charging everyone who left that bar and drove with a dui if they're gonna charge Karen!!

[@mariee.5912]

Except the pharmacist lady. She's lovely, abd her husband he only had a beer or two. Not drunk.

[@paulacosgrove2231]

And I'm confused that adults are leaving 14 year old home alone and going and getting drunk

[@Black_cat16-u4p]

​@paulacosgrove2231 typically a 14yr old is a freshman in highschool, I wouldn't think that's too young to be home alone for a few hours. In fact I was left home at that age many times while watching my younger siblings 😁 but every child has different capabilities I suppose

[@Alison1973]

@@Black_cat16-u4pI agree. Definitely not too young lol. I was probably 10 or 11 and home alone until my parents got home from work. That's just silly that she thinks 14 is too young.

[@VinceP1974]

​@@paulacosgrove223114 is too young to be home alone? Lol. Get real

[@darkwitnesslxx]

I liked both of the couples that were called today, particularly the wives. I see a distinct difference beween the defensivness of the civilian witnesses and those employed by the Commonwealth. Not sure if that means anything.

[@tajneafoster2836]

To be fair, the cops are super defensive because they are being accused of being corrupt.

[@AmysPositivePathways]

​they are incompetent even if not corrupt

[@tajneafoster2836]

@@AmysPositivePathways Yes they are definitely both.

[@lucyjane3803]

I went into this completely blind, and if we are roleplaying as jurors, I see absolutely nothing so far to indicate why this is even in court. If all the prosecution has is utterly (and I can't stress that enough) incompetent police officers, biased first responders and witnesses from the night without a single negative thing to say about the defendent, how are we here? So far everything is in favour of the defense? And I'm still super confused as to when and how she supposedly hit him but I guess that is coming up. I can't stop feeling that there is something really fishy going on here though, SOMEONE knows what happened to this man and I don't think it is her.

[@RedHedyLamarr]

100% agree. Even questions from prosecution are answered in her favor. And HOW this poor victim -who was one of their own -wasn’t given a full investigation…it just doesn’t add up.

[@shaz_am07]

110% agree

[@Elleffe]

120% agree

[@KimVerhaaff]

I did not go into this blind. I had seen some interviews with Karen Reed. I thought... well, police framing you is a big leap eh? Now watching the trial. I really dont understand, yet, why she was even charged. And I am believing the framed part.

[@ontixe]

130% agree

[@tskelly2779]

Thanks I’m shocked the investigators didn’t get a search warrant for the house once they found out the victim was attending a party at the house!

[@charlottecobain6986]

To the general public, this is shocking an appalling. However, you’ll notice how fervently they continue to lie and defend their own actions. This is, sadly, not surprising to anyone who knows or has seen the lengths cops will go to in protecting their own and covering their own misdeeds. Police departments are the most corrupt, violent and disturbing element in this country. They are never held to account for their actions and the harm they inflict on society on a daily basis because American society props them up as ‘the good guys.’ On the exceedingly rare occasion one of them is held accountable it’s simply a sacrificial “bad apple” while things continue as usual…until the next time. And Americans just swallow the lie whole-cloth.

[@southernmom4715]

Replay crew...had the work thing keeping me from watching today 😂Thanks so much for your excellent timestamps and swoops!! It is so much appreciated!

[@brandeecrooks8842]

I’m at the adorable pharmacist testimony. My question is…Does the prosecutor know he’s supposed to be arguing against the defense? Because he seems to just be showing how happy & wonderful everyone is. Like I’m ready to move to Canton to meet these people & have drinks w/them.

[@ksjmward1998]

😂😂😂

[@springer585]

This lady's testimony is actually very good and showcases how good Karen and John's relationship was. They had an upcoming vacation which stands well for the defense

[@allkindsamusicchick]

Please! No one knows the intracacies of another's intimate relationship. How many crime stories do you need to watch to figure that one out?

[@Dynomite132010]

Nobody from this party was ever checked for injuries from a fight

[@mariee.5912]

😂 that would be too much for the police.

[@melsafken764]

"Never"! "I wouldn't"! 😉 says law enforcement....

[@melm9721]

Probably because she was shouting that she hit him...

[@ksjmward1998]

​@melm9721 Did I miss the testimony where LE testified to hearing that? I only recall hearing it from paramedics / fire department

[@melsafken764]

@@melm9721 Did she though?

[@CrimeAndTides]

I’m home recovering from a surgery, and I’m really appreciating being able to watch the trial with you. You’re a wealth of knowledge and so good at anticipating questions from regular peeps! Plus I just love your spunky style 🫶

[@karleet]

Hope you’re feeling better!!

[@gigix2]

@EDB - I agree Nicholas & Karina are delightful!

[@alihale4053]

I went in blind so that I could hear the case out and not have bias. I really am leaning towards innocent still. we have a lot more information to cover but right now the prosecutor has done nothing to sway me

[@AshleighGOz]

John’s friends seem like all round good people!

[@jessicacortez4301]

Emily I absolutely love your commentary and calling it like you see it.

[@junkmail420]

I feel like this judge is a micromanager

[@scorpio_moon]

She's cringe 😬

[@lumireu]

Yes! I appreciate Emily keeping us balanced on understanding her rulings. But the underhanded condescension, tone, attitude and even cutting off testimony is bizarre. Let the prosecution object before she just shuts down testimony she deems objectionable.

[@sahitchcock]

Why does she keep doing that? I thought the prosecution has to object to be able to appeal it.

[@Usagi22912]

I was asleep the whole time you streamed this. Good nap! I worked overnight and was listening to the morning part live

[@jamielbis]

you're fucking solid, Emily. Fucking solid.

[@LovetheLed]

Facts💜

[@kms5809]

I love this witness! She’s one of us for sure.

[@chantalophelia6877]

I thought we couldn't top the 'What if any..' from Elaine... but boy is Lally pushing my buttons. Not sure if I could sit in the jury with this one. What, if any, uhm sort of uhm probably is your opinion?

[@onewithnoname1818]

I imagine him going home and asking “what, if anything, if for dinner?”.

[@jjoyce108]

Who, if ANYONE drove the ambulance? Who, if ANYONE left the bar?

[@usedtobebrewer6627]

Ok rewatching cause I had adulting crap... so the fight stuff in the bar... if that carried on back at the house, and John attempted to break it up and Albert's dog attacked him... SPECULATION... but that makes sense to me that shit could have got outta hand quick!!!! They've already been drinking and getting into grab ass. German Shepard do not understand nuances... if that 100lb ish dog believed his owner needed defending... that could get deadly real quick. Especially if it headpieces at the top of those basement stairs we keep hearing about. A bite and a fall could account for all those injuries. I had a German Shepard as a kid... that almost killed a neighbor. I feel of my bike he ran to help me... all the dog saw was me bloody w a man standing over me... the dog went through a front door... broke through it, and ran and lunged and put his teeth into the guys arm and neck. We both left in ambulances. My dog wasn't even a man dog before that day. He just thought the man was hurting me. So.... SPECULATION BIG BIG BIG SPECULATION, but um... give it some thought.

[@shkrjam84]

This is what I think happened. Some kind of physical or even an intense verbal altercation, JO got too close to one of the Alberts, and the dog intervened. Now, whether the head injury was a result of a fall from the dog or a punch and then him falling back and hitting his head, I can’t say yet. And one has to wonder, if he had a head injury and went stumbling outside, maybe they let him stumble out and hoped it looked like a drunk stumbling outside. Or was the injury so severe, death was more immediate and they took him outside. I think him not realizing his injury was fatal and then stumbling his way outside is possible.

[@shkrjam84]

And I’m just now getting to the play fighting, it could have even been that and the dog intervening.

[@pbentsonable]

The sad reality of this case continues to worsen. Still stunned how bad of a job all the service men and women who responded to this failed everyone. Hopefully changes will be made in the future. The public and John deserve better.

[@SusanWeekly-ji1bc]

Replay crew. Just finished the morning session,,, moving on to this afternoon now. 😁😁

[@exstock]

Seeing that playfighting going on between the folks who were later at 34 Fairview, I'm starting to wonder if maybe some sparring took place there too, and John was injured in such a way that the others thought they'd accidentally killed him, leading to the whole coverup. We haven't seen any actual evidence of bad blood between anyone really yet, but that playfighting definitely made me think!

[@noreengardner1075]

Especially when they continued to drink … and that is kinda weird behavior (to me anyway) ..

[@Lei-AICPhD]

This is exactly what I believe and I believe they slammed him into the car! Broke the taillight. I cannot imagine anything differently

[@PurpleRanger12]

That could explain the suspected dog wounds also. My own dog used to get defensive of me even hugging family she knows. Take a dog that is (to my knowledge) a known biter getting defensive of their owner not realizing it might be some harmless rough housing…I can see a situation of some rough housing, dog got protective, and things escalated from there.

[@Alison1973]

​@@Lei-AICPhDhow would they have slammed him into the car, if the car wasn't there? Karen took her car home!

[@sumitbhattachan001]

Another Fun Fact: Judge Beverly Cannone’s brother John Prescott was Chris Albert’s defense attorney for his 1994 fatal hit and run. For more on that, see my prior post quoted below.

[@helensmusings]

Would that Prescott be family of the policeman of the same name? The one who was lead investigator before and after state investigating this?

[@cherylj7460]

That was the most thorough coverage I’ve seen! Thanks, and a helpful summary in the beginning!

[@brrk7710]

I think that last question re: 5-7 min drive also established - if they were “lovey dovey” - what could have happened in 5-7 mins for her to decide to kill him

[@007nadineL]

She was simmering inside for years

[@molliwilson5639]

Replay Crew… great and very likable group of friends

[@laurieconklin9765]

Emily you’re the best! 👍 Love your candor 🤣

[@MsWhatNot75]

My 98 year old grandmother newly in assisted living sings, “show me the way to go home”

[@melsafken764]

Awe... She sounds precious. 💙

[@ginacorbitt]

Watching a day late but what a lovely couple Nicholas and Karina are!

[@tinareed4273]

White SUV for sure….for the pharmacist.

[@madcitywendy]

I love these witnesses too!

[@vickykirkland6629]

Question. Wheres the rest of the drinking glass ? . If they found 45 bits of the tail light. Why didn't they find more of the drinking glass ?

[@melsafken764]

That whole "drinking glass found underneath him thing"... Seemed odd. It was almost like they knew it was there & had to expose it. Why didn't we see that glass anywhere in evidence after that? It sure was CLEAN when presented in court. I dunno guys... ?

[@Lei-AICPhD]

Everyone seems to like and care about Karen. She is a wonderful Mother figure for the children. She wanted more private time with her husband as she thought of him. I don’t see her hurting him. No one indicates her as drunk, or any issues with them. Usually someone knows of a couples issues, rarely are ppl surprised when violent incidents happens. So I’m still not convinced. And finally I hope this clears this up: Anyone with a drivers License can drive the Rig (ambulance) if the paramedics must be in the back with the Patient.

[@ksjmward1998]

If she did hit him, I certainly can't see it being intentional and possibly had no idea. So far, I haven't seen anything to convince me she did hit him but there has been plenty of shoddy investigative work the casts doubt.

[@marinadelreyna]

Hi emily! Ty for all you do, i so enjoy your show! This has not come up but on the lexus... it will stop itself if someone in view of cameras on car. it is not like a gradulal stop its a slam on break stop. Also the seat will adjust for the different driver for seat position as well. So i cant see her hitting him , but i wil wait to see what the commonwealth has to show first.

[@carliesmith3252]

Citizen witnesses restoring my faith in Canton and MA. Sounds like a delightful place

[@Andrea.S9]

I'm with you there Emily! Black SUV mom with tinted windows and wheels!

[@robinhoward8805]

You binged! 💜🥳

[@melaniedavenport4869]

I imagine this is hard for Karen. She's watching these videos of the night that changed her life.

[@lucindas723]

Replay crew! This whole town is apparently drink driving... just saying 🙄 I find it odd they can charge her with oui/dui though... in Aus (my state anyway) they need to put a demand for a breath test within 3 hours of a collision for it to be legal. How do they know she didn't go home and get shitfaced? Extrapolating from a reading some 8 hours later is ridiculous 🫤 Unless their expert can prove no further alcohol was consumed after she got home the extrapolation seems bogus. Fun fact we say xpca/xpcd... exceed prescribed concentration of alcohol/drugs

[@foxymama9203]

That is an excellent point! She could have continued drinking after returning to John’s house!

[@lumireu]

Replay crew after having to vacate the live for a meeting. Did the fence just use a Y'ALL in a Boston suburb. Lmbooo!!!

[@tweaterdea2]

I noticed the judge started saying sure yesterday. This trial is bonkers. I'm thinking not guilty at this point. I'd like to see a poll.

[@Lei-AICPhD]

Yes a Poll! I love a poll!

[@OpportunisticOmnivore]

Emily doesn’t do polls during trial on the outcome.

[@mollyschamber584]

The Lawyer/witness was also careful to clarify what was being asked

[@melissaa2369]

This is getting ridiculous. I haven't heard anything yet that points to murder. How did this make it to trial even?

[@amazontrish]

OMG, why didn't I think of that? They leave and there's a dusting of snow on the ground, less than 10 minute drive to destination where she supposedly hit him. A warm body on the ground would have melted most if not all of the snow on the ground so why wasn't there a body shaped hole in the snow down to the lawn?

[@elizaline7571]

Thanks EDB!

[@corasaari1021]

I love the SUV color question. I haven’t seen that meme, but it’s oddly accurate! I’m a white SUV owner. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@patty-cf7jj]

I get why he asked how far the Fairview house was from the bar. If they were lovey dicey as they were leaving, how would a huge argument break out between them in such a short amount of time?

[@mariee.5912]

Unless they picked up and old fight.

[@stephanieyates9551]

Happy birthday EDB 🎉

[@lnajarian1]

So what I’m hearing is don’t have friends and just stay at the house, especially in a snow storm. This trial is def solidifying my inclination to be a hermit.

[@ann5028]

I love how every witness gets the same look with prosecutions questions. So much focus😂

[@theswinneyswitcheffect]

Did anybody else notice who WAS wearing a fluffy jacket????

[@Mountaingoat4234]

Yup. Did look more like a puffy vest to me tho

[@keke5577]

Who? I missed it

[@Mountaingoat4234]

@@keke5577 Brian albert

[@mariee.5912]

So.... he had a jacket from one of the people inside the house? Maybe they exchanged for his shoe? Suspicious

[@theswinneyswitcheffect]

@@mariee.5912 One of the emergency workers said the cut one off of him, yet nobody else has mentioned it that I can recollect.

[@megmagruder7124]

Hell of a day.

[@kparis77]

How are these witnesses helping the prosecutor? They are talking about how well they got along.

[@Chelle_Lynn319]

I feel like the witnesses today that know the Friday night time line should have gone before the first responders...

[@nadine4034]

No. That would have made too much sense. First we need ALL the reports on snow from everyone in the town of Canton ❄️❄️

[@Chelle_Lynn319]

@@nadine4034 😂🤣😂

[@msh441]

I worked with another investigator once that had the exact same interview pace/demeanor as Lally. I swear he only ever got confessions by lulling people to the verge of slumber/they would do anything to just make him stop blathering on.

[@madcitywendy]

I can’t remember the last time I’ve seen a lawyer as a witness in a case of my own or elsewhere.

[@mariateixeira4460]

Can the defense lawyers ask the judge for a directed verdict?

[@chrislim7615]

Condolences 2the:Okee'fe fam n:RIP 2:John may the good Lord watch over him always*!!!!

[@MsWhatNot75]

Taillight video was shown in pretrial hearings

[@madcitywendy]

I feel pretty uncertain about the prosecutions theory of the case, and where they are going.

[@mariateixeira4460]

I think the defense attorneys can ask the judge for a directed verdict.

[@EloTheCurious]

Is there a Washington street in every city in America or something??

[@ravenzyblack]

There might be. After all George Washington was the First President of the Continental U.S. In my city we have a Washington Street and Bridge. I also live in Washington State. Three for three.😄

[@lauriedaniele5967]

Sorry Emily, I couldn’t watch it during the day because I was out for my birthday

[@kristenlameiro8820]

The prosecution constantly asking about KR bringing a glass to the 2nd bar feels a lot like reaching for straws to prove the OWI charge 🙄

[@trishnickles2236]

The pharmacist has the white SUV.

[@ToriJadeTalks]

Everytime Lolli is questioning I’m eating at 1.75 or 2.0 speed I can’t take it… I can’t imagine being a juror.

[@chicagodoll]

We also got that karen was frustrated with John's family not doing more for the kids

[@MisssPeachykeen]

Im still thinking about that one paramedic who had so much beef with KR. Like what was that all about.. so strange.

[@TheEmilyDBaker]

The Carrie Roberts stuff.... I hope it becomes more clear...

[@Rynny.no7]

If he was alive when he fell on the dusting of snow, wouldnt it have melted with body heat?

[@OpportunisticOmnivore]

I would imagine so.

[@mariee.5912]

It was very cold. His body heat would not be that strong.

[@M1dn1ght999]

Does everyone just drink and drive over there ?

[@speaklifegardenhomesteadpe8783]

1:14:18 karen and John get there around 11 & leave after 1:29:30 Jen tries getting karen to leave with her (really wierd) 1:31:00 then karen and John left together at 12:11 out the door. The state omits using this to clarify their arrival time. 1:45:00 why so shady Lally??! Giving a couple minutes to get to the car and drive to 34 Fairview, it would put Karen and John arriving at about 12:15- 12:18 am In my opinion.

[@kiera_kayaks7521]

Yes I vote for cousin Dilly

[@novascotiaskater1868]

Does she have to go through answering the exact same questions her husband did on small issues? I think Lally could leave out 2-3 of every 10 questions he asks....do all the witnesses have to tell us when the games were and who they were playing??? Don't the lawyers have to ask questions that lead to a significant piece of testimony? I mean asking who Cantin HS was playing isn't evidence in the murder case of John O...

[@barbdixon7785]

Omfg…send Lalli a bill for making this trial 20 times longer than it should be!!! What a snooze-fest!! Ugh.

[@LovetheLed]

I watch on replay- at 1.5 speed. I couldn’t tolerate the actual speed of the questioning and the repetition of the questions.🙉🤷🏻‍♀️💜

[@amylynn3353]

@TheEmilyDBaker why does the defense keep asking "We've never met, correct?" Such as @ 32:16 Also, I found your channel during Depp v Heard, and I just LOVE watching these hearings that you comment on as you make it so much easier, and entertaining, for me to understand!! Thank you for creating interest in the judicial system!! I honestly believe you're helping to inspire future GOOD attorneys everywhere!!! So, thank you! Everyone else-- I'm just watching this case now, so I don't know what the outcome is. No spoilers please!

[@redisthecoolestcolour]

Possibly because they're trying to establish Karen (and therefore them) as outsiders and all of them as a little club. Plus they're also trying to imply they've been coached or influenced by Lolly.

[@cinder7775]

Replay crew

[@angiel186]

The snow confuses me, so there was snow on the drink but not John?? I just don't see it (yet?) How the snow proves either case.

[@vivianmcrary5617]

Stay safe

[@AuntLALA]

These are the kinds of people i would hang out with ❤ 😂

[@MimiDidi121]

This trial is so boring because of Lally! I FF through his questions because I get so little from it, then I let the defense fill me in on the important issues! Did anything come up about the Albert girl and the new photos? I know they put it on the table for now but I never heard anything else about it.

[@shkrjam84]

I’ve been watching on 1.5x speed and haven’t skipped anything…yet. Haven’t seen McLaughlin’a relationship with Caitlin Albert come back up yet other than the attorneys bringing it to the judge’s attention for later argument. They have to argue it before Caitlin is on the stand and prosecution said midweek on her or later. So unless it’s later in today’s stream (replay crew), it hasn’t come back up yet. The 1.5x speed makes Lally slightly more bearable. Still want to stick a pencil in my eardrum every time he says “what if any” or “sort of!” 🤣 I slow it back down to 1.25x when defense is up!

[@MimiDidi121]

@@shkrjam84 thanks

[@salteadog33]

Every single person in that house (especially Higgins) needs to be charged with a DUI if Karen is.

[@shazstar13]

Have they showed a photo of the glass to Waterfall staff to confirm it’s one of their glasses? It looks like more of a glass you’d have at a home rather than a bar glass.

[@kayreive]

Emily, would you ever be chosen for jury duty or due to your knowledge and skill as a lawyer, they would not pick you ?

[@jeanettesdigitallife2891]

She is a middle SUV. It is gray and sometimes she freak flys.

[@mariateixeira4460]

Can the defense attorneys ask for a directed verdict?

[@GoblinsAreAGirlsBestFriend]

I'm not from the US so I'm kind of new to the legal system there - why do different courts have such different routines? I don't recall seeing the incessant "good morning"ing in previous trials I've watched here? After the first 4 days it almost gives like a condescending kindergarten impression.

[@stephanieforman9146]

I feel like that partially is because of the judge’s annoyed demeanor and tone of voice. 😢

[@tracyevans5639]

Replay crew?? Did you say the investigators are under investigation?? 😮😊

[@Quiz261Grl]

Proctor is.

[@lesleybarklay798]

The prosecution gives so many (seemingly) irrelevant details, the important ones (assuming there are any), are lost.

[@larscederberg8564]

From seeing the video from the Waterfall bar my first impression is that Brian Albert seems to be aggressive playfighting also O'Keefe leaving the bar with the glass he was walking steady and without any visible signs of being drunk also O'Keefe had his glass in his hand walking into the house and the glass broke when he was attacked inside the house and when being carried outside and left on the lawn the glass was taken out and placed with O'Keefe , we are talking about police officers who knows how to clean up a crime scene just speculation.

[@CLCSIfreak]

My big thing is, who brings glasses from the bar? Like, how does a glass in the snow mean it’s from the bar? I could understand if it was a beer bottle, but don’t bars like to keep their glassware?

[@chrislim7615]

They should oil that door or maybe put the:AC on stronger;)

[@kcampbell3682]

Ugh!!! Just when we’re getting to the party house !

[@snoopy104]

"She was drinking something out of a clear glass perhaps." Perhaps?

[@laurac2424]

This is insane… everyday I think the prosecution’s case cannot be any worse they manage to prove me wrong. Lally making these snarky and downright rude remarks to his own witnesses is befuddling. His redirects were absolutely ineffective, if he was in an abusive relationship he could have left and surely there would have been signs on his body that he was being beaten on a regular occasion. This case disgusts me. I hope a) she’s acquitted (I believe so far a directed verdict is very much in the realm of possibility), and b) Karen Read sues everyone single individual and organization she possibly can for this BS, collect her money and GTFO of Massachusetts. I thought Boston was corrupt, based on my mom’s stories growing up in Dorchester, but damn I’m glad I’ve never stepped foot in Canton. I’d be terrified of being arrested for just not being a local…