Mac vs Windows in 2024 - Can Apple BEAT AMD & Nvidia?!

[@MaxTechOfficial]

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[@nitram1737]

did you just state based on a comparison of 2 Laptop chips that the apple chip beats out all desktop consumer cpus? 8:50 Lets test price equivalent rtx 4090 and ryzen 9 9800X3D in rendering and gaming will be fun and a multicore test against a ryzen 9 9950x don't get me wrong those m4 chips are beast but you can't say shit like that for a price comparison you should also take a similarly speced Apple Machine so 64 GB of RAM and 2 TB SSD that brings you right up to 5400$ at least in m,y region. Since you can only buy this kind óf ram and storage with the m4 max chip from apple. So for anything other then on the way video edditing I take a 5000$ custom watercooled desktop with even more ram, more storage, a way better gpu then even the asus laptop has and better connectivity options.

[@lakeoffm]

The main downside of a windows laptop is that you had to have it plugged in all the time to keep it competitive

[@filterdecay]

ding ding.

[@WarAlex16]

Not snapdragon laptops

[@mbvglider]

@@WarAlex16The whole point of Windows is greater compatibility. Which you lose with Snapdragon.

[@JamesBond-fo6ow]

Id say the main downside is you have to use windblows.

[@AntiQueWRLD]

Tbh owning a windows is a downside right off the bat.

[@thomaspalmer6453]

It’s simple: The M4 Pro is better for CPU intensive tasks, and the RTX 4070 is better for gaming. Everyone watching this probably already knew this.

[@Honamiichinose]

Cool, now unplug the charger. Bcz these things aren't desktops

[@rotm4447]

@@Honamiichinose that won't change it being a mac.

[@brian.z2005]

@@rotm4447it’ll definitely make it a lot closer since the Mac has far greater power efficiency. We literally saw that with the CPU benchmark

[@123flowey_yt]

U comparing the cpu to the gpu and pretending like you know what your talking about😂😂😂

[@CrackerGall]

Somebody tell these guys that nobody measures the speed of exporting files from figma, it's not video rendering. figma is a tool for digital designers - they don't export these files for further work, they just pass the link to the layout to the developers. please.

[@dave3269]

Uhhh it's still a good performance test

[@anotherhudson1844]

So you’re saying that the files should only remain on the internal storage indefinitely?? 🤔

[@CrackerGall]

@@dave3269 A performance test of what exactly? What's the point of a test that has nothing to do with reality?

[@IgorVe]

@@anotherhudson1844 Figma is a fully web-based app that stores files in the cloud. You just pass the link to the developer, and you are done. There is no reason to export them whatsoever.

[@mokeev1995]

@@anotherhudson1844 the files is in the cloud already, nothing is locally hosted.

[@WolfThe10th]

No battery test? As someone who uses their laptop mainly not plugged in I would really like to see the difference on how they run off the plug.

[@TechGameDev]

we understood apple better energy efficiency you know in the world of computing there are lots of impressive technology things like the rtx 4000 series with their cuda cores and rt cores it's really an engineering piece or amd with e X3D cache impressive power gain in 3D there is also the 9000mhz ram which has 576gb of bandwidth or GDDR7 in 2 months WITH 1.5 TB bandwidth apple is like stuck in the past with their mac which looks like a boosted phone

[@crestofhonor2349]

Depends on the task being done. Standard browsing wouldn't be as big as heavy workloads. Plus there is the size difference with the Asus having 90whr and the MacBook Pro 16 having a 99whr battery

[@maxweinbach3996]

Outcome = Apple has ruined the competition

[@ArnavRoul]

Then just buy any mac it will be better

[@radar_x8613]

@@TechGameDev This is all irrelevant to the question at hand about performance and operating life on battery power alone, since most people use their laptops not plugged in. So I must conclude you didn't watch the video showing how the M4 Pro easily beat the AMD in most of the tests, and we all know the Mac will not slow down at all once unplugged from the power cord whereas the AMD will drop dramatically in performance and also yield much worse battery life.

[@sikandernaeem9661]

A common recurring theme while seeing laptops comparison is that latest M4 GPU is being compared with basically 2 year old gpu architecture, RTX 5000 series is around the corner, it'd be more accurate to observe the comparison between them and see where the industry is, and what would be a better buy for GPU intensive workloads (apart from gaming).

[@brian.z2005]

Well they’re not here yet, and the other laptop is more expensive. When they do come out the 5000 laptops will be even more expensive than the m4. And a comparison at price level would leave whatever CPU in the laptop completely in the dust even if the GPU is better. That being said, 4000/3000 series released in fall/autumn, the m4 pro/max also released in fall. So you don’t actually know that 5000 series is right around the corner. If anything it’s still almost a year away, and if Apple also follow previous patterns you’d get a new m5 chip next year as well. So your point is almost completely… pointless 😂

[@techstation365]

@@brian.z2005 The other laptop is not more expensive, it's significantly cheaper than Mac if you match the RAM/Storage or the Mac is significantly more expensive if you match it's ram/storage with the Windows laptop. Moreover, you can get same performance from Asus' TUF A14 with same config for 1000 usd less.

[@kpopfanphotos]

@@brian.z2005 5000 series is coming in 2 weeks. The news has been known since this video was released that they were going to release in early January. We actually already have the date. I believe it's January 7 iirc.

[@eduardom3464]

​@@kpopfanphotos How long after the "release" would we wait to see laptops with the 5000 series available on the market? Sometimes, it takes years due to stocks, production issues, demand, etc. Also, as far as I know, ain't going to be "released" is gonna be announced (so they aren't comming in 2 weeks). Besides that, the desktop versions come first, then the mobile ones. There is a huge difference between desktop GPUs and mobile ones. RTX 4090 was released as the first model (desktop) of the series in October 2022 while Mobile versions were launched in February 2023.

[@kalgooksoo0507]

It is very generous of Max Tech for testing both laptops plugged in 🤣

[@spectrotsu6629]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 bro doesn't discriminate

[@nathan43082]

"I don't recommend people buy a Mac for gaming." I don't recommend people buy a laptop for gaming.

[@TechGameDev]

his behavior is very strange always shocked impressed never seen he defends apple and vice versa I never understood this guy

[@rabbaniazzahra1784]

people ussually wants a laptop, so it can do part time work (when you bring it to work etc)

[@nathan43082]

@@rabbaniazzahra1784 Oh I get that, but laptops make abysmal gaming machines compared to what you can get from a well-ventilated box with high end CPU and something like a 4090 GPU.

[@nathan43082]

@@TechGameDev I have a Mac for creative work and a Windows machine with a 3090 for gaming. I switch between them using KVM sharing a 4K monitor while they each have their own smaller monitor to the sides, Mac on left, Windows on the right.

[@ilovecats748]

Some people play pc games in places that aren’t moms basement believe it or not

[@charlievarley]

On Blender, are you using the Metal RT (experimental) on the M4 pro? Unfortunately, I cannot see what any of the settings or output resolutions were used in yours or the other videos. With blender, there are videos showing BASE M4 10 core GPU, rendering the Party Tug and finishing in 45 seconds, and the BMW finishing in 25 seconds. Also, FYI, the M4 pro can sometimes render faster if the viewport is set to shading or wireframe as it consumes less ram.

[@samsara1998]

Yeah, the BMW benchmark seems way off

[@TechGameDev]

real

[@jacobscotch6619]

Failed to mention anything about the screens and how the asus is more color accurate and covers more Argb

[@matus3303]

Even from the video I can tell the Asus has a horrible magenta tint

[@frederickventuri6854]

@@matus3303 wouldnt the screens have to be calibrated for proper color work?

[@matus3303]

@@frederickventuri6854 sure, for printing it should be calibrated but for web it does not matter as much because people are viewing it on a different screen. So everybody will see it differently. But the Asus has terrible calibration.. I had a zenbook a few years ago with oled screen and you had to set it up in their settings. Only way to change fan modes was trough their settings and their settings did not want to work with my calibration software. That sucked. Out of the box the colors are way off. If I was’t tech savy I would asume that it was calibrated. Apple on the other hand has decent calibration out of the box without changing anything. It has even different color profiles for it’s display. I ended up buying a macbook air while still having the zenbook and zenbook had obersaturated, contrasty colors out of the box. Panel quality was better on zenbook as it was oled. Now I have a 16” macbook pro with xdr and it is very close to my main monitor - lg oled 42” after calibration wirh calibrite colorchecker display pro

[@ytv6770]

The 20 core GPU beating an RTX 4070. I never thought I’d see the day. EVEN the binned M4 Max marching an RTX 4080 laptop is WILD

[@TechGameDev]

we understood apple better energy efficiency you know in the world of computing there are lots of impressive technology things like the rtx 4000 series with their cuda cores and rt cores it's really an engineering piece or amd with e X3D cache impressive power gain in 3D there is also the 9000mhz ram which has 576gb of bandwidth or GDDR7 in 2 months WITH 1.5 TB bandwidth apple is like stuck in the past with their mac which looks like a boosted phone

[@kunemann]

@@TechGameDevhaters gonna hate 🤡

[@StingyGeek]

Yes, a big shout out to NVIDEA for screwing everyone below a 4090 class - now we see the result, stagnation against alternatives, and a loss of competitiveness. Don't think for a second consumers haven't caught on to what NVIDEA has been doing for multiple generations time after time.

[@torpedospurs]

Apple is reaping the benefits of regular improvements. The RTX 4070 mobile was introduced in Jan 2023 so it is getting close to 2 years old, and the Ada Lovelace generation of RTX 4000 series overall is over two years old. Nvidia is resting on its laurels for consumer graphics and making $$$ in AI instead.

[@StingyGeek]

@@torpedospurs Yep. They sure are.

[@Tonielaus]

7:47 I have the same chip configuration on an M4 Pro Mac Mini and that blender scene takes less than 20 seconds to render

[@charlievarley]

That's what I have seen in other videos. In fact these times are coming in at around the same or longer than the base M4 10 gpu. I wonder if Max didn't toggle on Metal RT?

[@77dris]

Interesting.

[@Tonielaus]

@@charlievarley I also noticed some odd results on the video comparing the binned and unbinned versions of the same chip. I’m not sure if that’s because the performance of the same chip on a Mac mini is different from a MacBook, but all those results don’t really make sense to me.

[@DJsWorld]

I am still rocking the M1 MacBook Air 16gb ram 512 storage and it’s still kicking with 100 percent Battery capacity won’t be upgrading no time soon.. MacBook Air for the win 🏆

[@borodach6789]

How did you manage to retain 100% capacity? I use my MacBook Pro 14 mostly plugged in and I have 93%

[@sumeetfly]

Mine is at 87. How did you keep it on 100?

[@CapoTicoTrades]

@@borodach6789 My M3 MAX is at 90% and my M1 Pro at like 80%....

[@DJsWorld]

@@borodach6789 The 80/20 rule never let it charge past 80 and never letting it drop below 20 I’ve been doing that consistently since i got it back in late 2020. But i do understand that a lot of people use their Mac’s differently and charging it all the to 100% is not necessarily a bad thing but it does hurt your battery a lot..

[@Niasyy]

@@DJsWorld So you think that using your Mac in clamshell mode is not recommended for battery life? Do you know if stopping your macbook in standby mode (without turning it off completely) its macbook is a good idea? Do you think 16Gb of ram is enough for you and your uses? Or would you prefer more ram like 24Gb of ram?

[@TeufelHund]

All tests for a "laptop" should be done without it being plugged in. Most people who have laptops buy it for mobility or taking it to a classroom or conferences. A true competition would be for what a laptop is designed for is transportability. Please do all tests just running on battery and then you'll even be able to show how quickly batteries drain on each compared device.

[@xAnonymousComedia]

Bruh, if you do any like heavyworkloads on your laptop, it won't last longer than 30 minutes lmaooooo, macbook would last 1h30 maximum. Dumb people genuinely believe that you can be gaming on your laptop with max settings for more than 1 hour on battery? It shows how little work the macbook fans actually do. Most people who have complex jobs that require powerful laptops work with their laptops plugged in. Ofc, if you do social scrolling or taking notes on words and writing emails. You don't need to plug it.

[@miitchbilsky]

@@xAnonymousComedia True

[@123flowey_yt]

Then that's unfair the laptop won't use full capacity

[@darkwoodmovies]

@@xAnonymousComedia IDK about gaming, but you can definitely use the MacBook under intensive loads for more than 1.5 hours unplugged.

[@motionblurgamer]

HEVC have many different variants. While Apples variant is fast to export, it might not be the best in terms of quality per byte. To test video export properly you’ll also need to look at the quality of the exported file. Regarding this I would also like to se a comparison between the older M1/2/3 encoder vs. the M4 encoder. Is the M4 encoder just faster, or is it faster and better? Or maybe it is faster because it is worse. I think you should have (at least) 3 standardized shots that you always use to judge codec quality. A shot with many particles moving in random directions. A dark scene with some simple movement and smooth gradients, since dark scenes are usually compressed worse. And a normally lit static shot with some simple repetitive motion. Export should also be done at different bitrates. Codec differences are often hard to spot above 15Mbps, but are often easy to spot at 5Mbps. If there is still no difference at 5Mbps, export a 2Mbps version just to check if they aren’t identical. In the Windows community NVIDIA is generally considered to have a noticeably better video encoder than AMD in terms of quality. Only when turning off hardware acceleration and using the software encoder should the HEVC file be the same across both machines. That would be a more useful test to test performance. Quality of a software encoder is also usually better even if it is a lot slower. Also note that NVIDIA and AMD doesn’t have hardware acceleration of 4:2:2 H.265/HEVC and 4:2:2 H.264/AVC. Only 4:2:0 and 4:4:4 H.265/HEVC and H.264/AVC. 4:2:2 is most common in professional cameras.

[@maxweinbach3996]

Apple has destroyed the competition. That is all you need to know

[@TechGameDev]

@@maxweinbach3996 no swear now you can export videos with 4 minutes less than the pc with a better battery despite which is 4x slower in terms of graphics and all the rest

[@darcsentor]

Just got a 14 core m4 Mac mini. It’s 25% faster than my water cooled Amd 9950x in compiling the same code. Was expecting it to be similar not faster.

[@PKperformanceEU]

Same here. SPEC2017 also shows that M4pro is almost neck a neck with 285K and 9950X in MT and leaves them in the dust in ST.

[@ducktails1695]

Now run all of these tests again on battery and we'll have the real story. Keeping them plugged in is useless. If the PC laptop has to stay plugged in to remain competitive then it's useless as a laptop.

[@Genowds]

Macs stand out with their powerful processors and superior build quality. The M4-powered MacBook Air/Pro significantly outperforms the integrated GPUs in ultra-portable Windows laptops and delivers impressive overall performance. The M4 Pro rivals RTX 4050-4060 levels, while the M4 Max competes with RTX 4070-4080 laptops. While Windows laptops are generally more affordable, they often compromise on screen quality, materials, camera, speakers, and battery life. The choice should be based on individual needs and priorities.

[@TechGameDev]

we understood apple better energy efficiency you know in the world of computing there are lots of impressive technology things like the rtx 4000 series with their cuda cores and rt cores it's really an engineering piece or amd with e X3D cache impressive power gain in 3D there is also the 9000mhz ram which has 576gb of bandwidth or GDDR7 in 2 months WITH 1.5 TB bandwidth apple is like stuck in the past with their mac which looks like a boosted phone

[@TechGameDev]

@@Skaratak too bad but now windows for 7 years they make shit I remember with windows XP the blue screen is non-existent windows 8 and 8.1 catastrophic and 10 it is a little improved windows 11 it is ultra unstable with their hundred of useless new features that nobody knows which makes their machines unstable

[@Abel-Harland]

@@TechGameDev stuck in the past? Why have they been the only ones on 3nm for the past few years. And why are their LAPTOP CPUS outperforming the best DESKTOP CPUs, while consuming less than *1/4TH* the power. Get your head out of the clouds.

[@Antimonious]

@@TechGameDevLaptops are devices that are meant to be taken everywhere. Everything you mentioned are ok for a desktop. But if the battery dies in 2-4 hours, it’s useless as a laptop

[@crestofhonor2349]

The screen in the Asus laptop here is fantastic. One of the best OLED displays in a laptop as well as being just as good for HDR thanks to support for Dolby Vision

[@DanRustle]

i moved away from windoes 6 years ago and have never looked back

[@astrack2120]

The specs are similar enough but the ram is super different

[@theblablareal]

@@astrack2120 But the ram works different on both

[@Antimonious]

Apple ram is better because it’s on the chip

[@karnpandharipande]

Good comparison but please present only OpenCL benchmarks 4:11 cuz its not really a fair judgement. The 40 core Max chip slightly outperforms the laptop 4070 in the geekbench OpenCL bench, not the M4 Pro; as shown in this video.

[@vinsalmusic]

That actually would not be fair, M chips use Metal API, and all the native and optimized applications run with Metal. OpenCL isn't a well optimized language in the MacOS ecosystem anymore. An example would be some games that are native for MacOS but they still run on OpenGL and they get low fps, while in Crossover through multiple translation layers get 3 to 4 times the fps

[@karnpandharipande]

@vinsalmusic Absolutely fair point, but I'm talking in terms of how the benchmark was portrayed, not if it's optimized for Mac or not. I may be pedantic here but I'd prefer Apples to Apples comparison instead of putting 2 scores from 2 different bench methods onto the same chart.

[@vinsalmusic]

@@karnpandharipande You're actually right to some extent, however I think the real problem is within Geekbench itself. It's not a very efficient way to benchmark different types of hardware and operating systems.. it just isn't a good representation of a real world use of the product.

[@karnpandharipande]

@@vinsalmusic My thoughts exactly

[@vinsalmusic]

@@karnpandharipande Sorry then, I misunderstood the point you made in the original comment.

[@Jerome-iwnl]

Crazy how apple is still ahead after all these years

[@FJA---]

Isn't the point of using a laptop to be able to use it unplugged? Why would you buy a laptop that only performs well when it's plugged in?

[@bitmaster6542]

My 13y old MB Pro Retina 15" Mid2012 still runs longer on battery than most laptops after 2 years do. That just speaks for itself.

[@drta1688]

How would a G18 with a 4080 and a 14900hx fair against the m4 pro 16" macbook pro in terms of performance? Its 2599 USD orginally but its on sale for 2199 USD rn.

[@tau4697]

For your testing, you should also take performance in AI handling into account-perhaps even include training a simple model. This is a task that we’ll increasingly rely on computers for in the future. Cheers!

[@mlemingcapoo]

Oh i know a channel that does that kind of tests. It's Alex Ziskind @AZisk He has tested every single apple silicone mac and run AI models on it.

[@TechGameDev]

7:03 what are you doing there why don't you put in cuda YOU HAVE AN nvidia graphics card Are you afraid that your favorite apple brand will be crushed?

[@steinhans]

Because Optix is faster than cuda in 3d rendering.

[@ProNab]

6:55 I remember the difference used to be 3 to 4x between nvidia and apple.. Now its less than 2x which is a huge improvement by apple

[@chrisak49]

Its just too bad Bootcamp Windows doesn't work anymore on the new Apple Macs

[@jlYT_hcky]

What did bootcamp do differently than parallels?

[@chrisak49]

@@jlYT_hcky Some of the most popular games have kernel level anti-cheat

[@TechGameDev]

@@jlYT_hcky native , max performance

[@borodach6789]

Thank you! Cubase music production tests would be welcome!

[@xcalybur75]

Can you please do battery tests and test the onboard video as well as the discrete against these MacBooks?

[@nicknawk14952]

Would like to see you repeat the tests with a $2699 Macbook Pro where you spend the extra $200 on the RAM. Now they are euqal price and the Mac will perform better on tests due to sharing RAM between CPU and GPU.

[@productamadeus8745]

I’m waiting and waiting for that Logic benchmark but it was not done! Come on guys! We audio guys meed that as a preference! I even mentioned you guys on the various daw forums! Great review as always!

[@atgred]

Logic doesn’t run on PCs. They need to change to Reaper or Cubase, which also use all cores, not just p-cores as Logic does.

[@productamadeus8745]

@@atgred I know! 😂. I just like to say that every video so they don’t forget. Nice comparison though. Apple needs to work on the GPU side of things. Nvidia is killing them.

[@nickbrough8335]

Is Blender optimised for OSX ? is this performance differential an artefact of the software rather than the hardware ?

[@motionblurgamer]

Yes. At least if using the correct version. But it was somewhat recent that they optimized for the RayTracing chip in M3 and M4 machines. That said OptiX is as far as I know a way to reduce actual render time by using smarter noise reduction. (Correct me if I’m wrong.) If a similar feature wasn’t active on the M4, or if the similar feature was worse on the M4, then you could say that the NVIDIA GPU is working less but smarter. Of course it would still mean that NVIDIA has a benefit here, but it might not be purely hardware.

[@oh-noe]

nothing really beats a dedicated GPU in 3D rendering. Blender has native metal support, and they've worked for a while to make sure blender runs good on macs. But nvidia gpus are just on another level in this field

[@jean-philipperottiers614]

You should try Microsoft’s Surface 7, it is also ARM based, I think it’s a better comparaison to be honest. Also, it is well build, very Apple-esque in terms of fabrication quality. Also, they both advertise around 20ish hours of battery life.

[@dlm7952]

Video ends at 2:08

[@ThinLineMedia]

Important note: you can buy a Windows laptop with RTX 4070 for 1200$ with 1tb of storage. Asus Pro Art are the most expensive laptops with RTX 4070 and for 1200$ you can't buy anything decent at Apple ...

[@Lightw3b]

At 1200$ you can buy an M1 Pro 32gb ram 16” which is still a beast in terms of performance and battery life … window is lagging behind for years. I have a company work which is specs out worth at 2000$ and 3 months of use of normal Microsoft tool it sometimes shows weakness with fan on for basic task

[@Espesia1]

Have you taken into consideration anything else besides RTX 4070 laptop GPU - like build and quality control, screen, speakers and etc? Windows laptops have tons of compromises even at the similar with Apple price tag categories.

[@ThinLineMedia]

@@Espesia1 For the price of ProArt or M4 Pro I have a RTX4090, 2tb, 10bit 1000nit 250 hz screen, all aluminum body. So better screen than Macbook, fastest laptop GPU and how much do you have to pay for 2tb at Apple ? Equivalent M4 Max would cost double the price of my laptop.

[@Espesia1]

@@ThinLineMedia RTX 4090 laptops in general cost a bit less than M4 Max laptops not M4 Pro laptops. So what are you talking about?

[@ThinLineMedia]

@@Espesia1 I am talking about that in 2024 it costs the same as M4 Pro, depending of course on the brand and type of RAM, screen and so on. Just checked a laptop with 4090 costs 2500 USD, 32gb Ram 1tb SSD

[@Riyozsu]

Macbook only has the advantage of being a laptop that is heavily optimised because no oem uses apple's os. If you get a similarly priced pc, it smokes both laptops while having money for peripherals.

[@esbanfx5876]

are you using the correct drivers on the laptop with nvidia?

[@ArnavRoul]

Compare the M4 max to this now

[@darksidex2]

Was expecting a battery comparison but he mentioned what happens when the PC laptop is unplugged. Kinda always forgot lol.

[@daveh6356]

Did I miss the Cinebench GPU scores?

[@Lemonhandle]

wish you guys still did the Xcode compile test, or more dev builds. I've just bought a refurb M1 Pro for ultra cheap, still a fast beast in 2024

[@andre__b]

There was never and will never be a comparison between windows and mac for xcode... because you cant even run xcode on windows... watch the mac comparisons, there are the xcode benchmarks

[@newellfeds]

Why did the MacBook Pro 16 M4 pro did worse when comparing it to 16 M4 max in your 500 photos Lightroom export test 4.47 sec compared to 6.05 seconds , a little confused , Please clarify

[@bilalmustafa7334]

You didn't plugged in the Ausu Pro Art, and you were the guy couple of years ago told this window laptops have 40 to 50% performance difference when plugged in. This time you ignored it intentionally or unintentionally I don't know.

[@kplkasteel]

Can we then also adapt the price for the Ram 24Gb vs 64GB. You can't even get 64Gb on the M4 Pro as when I check on the apple site to get 64Gb you needed to upgrade to a M4 Max thus costing an eyewatering $4599 compared to $2699. Let's compare apples with apples. I am writing this only after the specs where shown. Let's get an $4599 "Windows Laptop" and compare

[@alexmolan4938]

Tests have shown that 24 GB of RAM on a MacBook is more efficient than 64 GB of RAM on a Windows laptop. In other words, if you need 64 GB of RAM on a Windows laptop, 24 or 36 GB of RAM on a MacBook will suffice.

[@kplkasteel]

@@alexmolan4938 No, memory is memory, and the amount you need to store certain things doesn’t change with the OS or hardware. I run a development environment with several docker images, several VM's such as iOS, Android and Windows and if I run those together on my M2 Pro Mac Mini I run out of memory. No matter how efficient the memory is, it will still run out of memory and no way to upgrade it. I made the mistake thinking my M2 Pro Mac mini 16GB would be sufficient because Apple said 8GB is actually 16GB. I now run my dev environment on my Windows Machine with I9-14900KF and 64GB of ram and use my Mac Mini only for the iOS and Mac Catalyst emulation. Maybe just a use case but I can see many in the same position.

[@Toglander]

Do the same test with an M4 Max fully specced out.

[@Jimmyjamesgannon]

Can you compare the m4 vs a water bottle??

[@smidgeondutchrabbit]

when are more m4 max macbook pro vids coming

[@navpreetsingh8156]

The specs are not like for like, you need to show us the price of the same ram and same ssd

[@abt01]

Can you actually compare the laptops instead of just perfomance?

[@Joe-wk9ow]

battery comparison would be 🔥

[@dotnetapp]

4:00 sadly opencl on nvidia is not really a good test, amd gpus are pretty good optimized but nvidia gpus are not. You could to make it fair also run the macbook on opencl, instead of metal. Or you would have to find a different test which supports metal and cuda.

[@DonnydeOlim]

Why you didn’t test Windows GPU Geekbench with OpenCL and Vulcan but Mac too, OpenCL AND Metal? Doing OpenCL on Windows (old) and Metal on Mac (new), is NOT fair

[@chidorirasenganz]

OpenCL is what most things run on Windows. Vulkan is rare. Metal is what most software runs on Mac

[@ricardocamejomedilusa1038]

Battery?

[@voxtm]

You mentionned SSD speed on two computers but without comparing speeds within differents files size. The Asus has better performance on small size for writing, double performance over the M4 Pro

[@steinhans]

BMW Blender on Mac was maybe without Hardware Raytracing i think. 38 seconds is like M1 MAX.

[@rudeviper]

I have trust issues on geekbench. The difference between GPU performance of Asus vs M4 pro is way too much but in the opposite manner suggested by geekbench.

[@darkwoodmovies]

The real crazy thing is that that MacBook can do all of that without breaking a sweat, and do it all on battery with no performance compromises while running for at least 12 hours without needing to be plugged in. Apple may not do gaming, but they definitely understand the assignment when it comes to portability.

[@thearthur9801]

Can somebody explain how the ryzen 9 AI benchmarks fluctuate so much? I've seen videos where it gets 3.8k single and 23k multi on geekbench and others where the performance is similar to this, even on the exact same proart he's using here. Is he forgetting some sort of power setting or what?

[@Cooley93]

I got the 20 core gpu and 48gb ram for $2500 at Best Buy when they first came out. It’s on sale rn $300 off for BF deals at Best Buy

[@jmpersic]

You knew going into this video that things were going to be Absolutely Insane.

[@RedDotSicc]

Great video I’d like to also see the ROG Zephryus G16 with the 4090 compared to the 16 MBP M4 max think that could be a good comparison

[@APerson-14]

i kinda hate laptops they have so little value. i could easily get a 4080 super with a 2700$ budget

[@picketwire]

Does the Asus ever go on sale? Right now you can get a MacBook Pro Max with 1TB SSD and 36Gb of Ram for only 100$ more than the Asus because of the Mac being on sale. Seems like that would be a better comparison since the M4 Max has a 32 core GPU versus the 20 GPU core on the M4 Pro

[@D.u.d.e.r]

Well done, however u should first of all when doing any computer comparison either Mac vs PC or Mac state their maximum power pull/wattage in standby and maximum performance mode in both power unplugged and plugged in with every tests u r doing in order to determinate performance per watt in particular test and for overall average based on all tests. If this would be done we could easily compare both machines from the power draw with battery drain and performance per watt perspective. It's quite unfair for Mac to not highlight that plugged in PC laptop like this one with AMD HX 370 + RTX 4070 probably takes more than twice amount of the power under maximum load.

[@Human-Nature.]

I wish you can compare 4k,8k video exporting for laptop M4 Max with laptop Nvidia RTX 4950 or 5950 . 👍

[@atgred]

To not let down also music producers you should have a cross platform test using either Reaper or Cubase, which by the way use ALL cores instead of just the p-cores, as Logic does. And that way we can also see the power, or not, of the AMD and INTEL chips in action. 2 cents.

[@whatmusiciwant]

Mac's are for working and productivity, Windows are for gaming and game creation. That's how I look at it, I LOVE that the Mac can't game, because I am not distracted by playing games, I have my Mac on, I'm creating/producing. I want to relax play some games or use Unreal Engine, I have to switch over to my PC. It's perfect. TLDR: Macs are for work and productivity, PC's are for game design and gaming.

[@bodigames]

Bro you fool. Mac can run virtual machines that run windows. You don’t need 2 devices.

[@whatmusiciwant]

@@Skaratak lol. "doable" is the operative word. Better keep everything on low and your maps small. Nothing beats a dedicated GPU, period end of story.

[@ratshackmojo]

@@bodigames You're not running STALKER 2 or DA: Veilguard on a virtual machine and expecting decent frame rates. I travel with an Asus 14" gaming laptop along with my MacBook Pro 16 M3max

[@fidelisitor8953]

"Macs are for work and productivity, PC's are for game design and gaming" - That's an ignorant take. PCs are are way more than just game design and gaming devices. I could even counter argue that all macs are good at is just photo/video editing and maybe audio/music production but PCs are used for all other kinds of work. Civil engineers and architects, mechanical engineers, off-shore oil rig workers, product designers, circuit board designers, automotive and aviation workers, movie and animation studios, etc. all prioritize PCs over macs for their professional work so it is ignorant to say windows is for gaming or creating games only.

[@whatmusiciwant]

@@fidelisitor8953 Nah.

[@asafblasbergvideographer]

It would be great if you tested the M4 MAX 16” compared to the ProArt since the M4 Pro’s GPU is considerably weaker than its MAX counterpart

[@smidgeondutchrabbit]

yea

[@SerjK64]

it doesn't make sense, 4000$ vs 2600$ then?

[@asafblasbergvideographer]

@@SerjK64 It would just be to compare the M4 MAX’s GPU with the NVIDIA due to the increased core count.

[@smidgeondutchrabbit]

@@SerjK64 it does. just do it

[@atony8155]

how is that oled display on that windows laptop?

[@Trickey2413]

Asus has a better display

[@fidelisitor8953]

@@Skaratak 🤣🤡 Only 10% of people are sensitive to PWM so for most it's a non-issue.

[@fidelisitor8953]

It's got more vibrant colours, better contrast and faster response than the macbook but macbook display is brighter.

[@dellenrules]

The Nvdia has a lot more vram bandwidth than the M4 Pro. This as powerful as the GPU in the M4 Pro is, it sucks that it is limited by memory bandwidth. The Max chips should be compared to the 4070 and higher not the Pro due to memory bandwidth required for the GPU.

[@MalfoyR]

He's using price as the basis for this comparison

[@thiagomoraisr]

Geekbench is not a real test, an app tailored to run iOS, Mac OS, etc... A real PC benchmark is done on Cinebench... Cinebench R23 single-core scores: (Asus ProArt 2.110) Vs (Macbook M4 Pro 2.242) Cinebench R23 multi-core scores: (Asus ProArt 24.407) Vs (Macbook M4 Pro 22.748) Asus ProArt is better, both on CPU and GPU

[@zimmhone]

So is the thumbnail specs the conclusion specs or did your team upgrade to match the pc with memory? That’s always a bit unclear with your comparisons, maybe could confirm the price savings again at the end. Been following since Max was on a roof of perhaps your first office doing DJI magic distance tests… so lt subscriber

[@zimmhone]

Basically (I’m dumb as), but could you be a bit more deliberate with identifying the specs more that just the beginning. Because “M4 MacBook Pro…” has many variations and apart from the intro it’s hard to make a decision because at the end I don’t know exactly which spec variation you are using.

[@mongini1]

The Lightroom test is busted. On Windows Lightroom uses a very old codebase where as on Mac it was rebuilt and optimized for the M chips. That's true for most productivity apps.

[@misooo13]

I am a Windows fan, but this test was very objective. Thank you for that!

[@takidarendeli7194]

I wish to see some davinci special effect test like magic mask or beauty. I am really wondering results for that kind of compression.

[@mashirokobato5509]

AMD cpu are terrible for DR and PP..

[@RamezDous]

M1 pro vs M4 pro, please!

[@romari2706]

I would have chosen the M4 Max not the M4 Pro chip

[@elmarcentral]

Why do you guys keep saying "one of the best design studios..." every time? Does that matter? Or is that a long-term promotion?

[@Bai-Hui]

They got paid

[@bodigames]

Bro if you can’t see they’re paid to say that then I don’t know anymore bro.

[@elmarcentral]

​@@bodigamesMaybe I can see, but I want them to address it anyways. No one else is asking this.

[@RA-nm9xu]

Not annoying. They can't run their business without any money coming in.

[@dontbekurt]

These results seem off. My full stock Ryzen 9 7900x seems to outpace every CPU bound test on here by a significant margin.

[@theelysium]

The SSD prices need to come down. I get it’s fast storage and probably custom built for whatever they’re doing. But still, why is it that expensive!

[@Trickey2413]

It has nothing to do with fast storage. Apple likes to overcharge.

[@aekit]

what kind of destruction I just saw

[@Bellatrixie]

CPU dominant tasks: M4 Pro. GPU dominant tasks: Nvidia RTX

[@Sinbad1999]

oh wanted to see some gaming benchmarks :(

[@GaryFerrao]

you didn't mention the RAM difference. less than half on that MacBook Pro. considering that and the lower storage, the Windows laptop is actually cheaper. but if you're just going for compute/graphics efficiency, yes M4 is better.

[@OP_SHADOW29]

Windows laptop is not cheaper

[@OP_SHADOW29]

M4 MacBook cost 2.499$ windows laptop 2.699$

[@GaryFerrao]

​@OP_SHADOW29 "Windows laptop is not cheaper M4 MacBook cost 2.499$ windows laptop 2.699$" yes, but you are getting 2 TB storage and 64 GB RAM. if you try to upgrade MacBook to same level, it's more expensive 3499$. and also, they don't even have 64 GB option for M4 Pro chip in the laptop, although they have it in desktop.

[@szczyglik]

​@OP_SHADOW29 MBP M4 Pro with 2TB of storage and 48GB ram - 3500$. VS 2700$. Yes, you are right. Windows laptop is not cheaper.

[@feriante777]

Holly molly, this is crazy! It's insane! 🎉

[@Pukhraj_vansh]

I could love the MacBooks if it had x86 architecture with this same performance TBH

[@shawntroy1]

This is not a fair comparison, for GPU you are supposed to use a 4090 laptop gpu, and Intel processors are always more optimized for laptop, like a core i9 14700h . Thats the fairest comparison

[@heirtothethrone000]

We all know by now that windows laptop can't compete with Macs. Why keep doing comparisons 😢

[@seanrosendo5672]

You skipped to the end, didn't you?

[@theblablareal]

Before starting, why the sad emoji. Windows laptops definitely can outperform macs, in performance and “BATTERY LIFE” as well. You might wanna go out of your Apple fanboy personalitu

[@bodigames]

@@theblablarealMac’s have the complete picture. Battery life screen speakers performance. While windows laptops NEVER have all of them outperforming Mac’s. It’s usually just one or two areas.

[@theblablareal]

@ I’m talking about real world results. Plus I’m not saying that any destroys the other in results but both are close. I should’ve said I was talking about battery on the Snapdragon laptops, my bad for that

[@fraisertinko]

@@theblablarealso snapdragon windows laptops have all the apps that Intel/Amd windows laptops have?) or it’s just unusable thing?)

[@halhal1121]

(10:38)(11:11) The reflections on Windows! $2,488 MacBook Pro’s display is not a nanotexture display.😲

[@TechGameDev]

geekbench is not significant I never understood how it works when I do a geekbench benchmark the mac falls asleep the temperature increases a little the CPU / GPU usage is never maximized rarely exceeds 50% while cinebench uses 100% CPU

[@Abdullazh-o4b]

U dint compare the battery and , other physical comparison .......

[@chris-jh4cx]

The trend is clear, Apple is eager to make meaningful progress in the Gaming space.

[@hansmichel9693]

The m4 CPU is way Vetter but for the gpu u cant compare mental and open cl read the geekbench release info

[@user-ll8zf1dm8m]

Now do it all again and unplugged both of the laptops

[@FROSTICE-u7h]

Hi i can get m4 pro 48gb ram 16 inch 512gb ssd and m3 max 48gb ram 1tb ssd 16 inch for the same price which should i get is m4 pro battery life and better display and better single core worth it?

[@Antimonious]

M4 Pro

[@FROSTICE-u7h]

@ why isn’t m3 max better?

[@Antimonious]

@@FROSTICE-u7h M4 Pro, as a CPU, is faster and more efficient than the M3 Max. It uses less power and performs better in single and multicore benchmarks (Cinebench & Geekbench). Unless you are doing HEAVY video editing, the M4 Pro is better.

[@fidelisitor8953]

If you do video editing, the M4 pro will be the choice as Apple updated its media engines but I think overall, the M3 max would be the better choice as it's performance is mostly similar to M4 pro and you get twice the storage + better GPU for 3d stuff.

[@ArupNath-f4c]

Good. But we are looking for Intel ultra Core 9 288v Vs M4 vs Snapdragon X Elite 84 Vs AMD Ryzen 9AI HX 370 Good comparison I love it. Which one is Good for Serious Machine Learning + Data Science work

[@shree397]

So basically by Apple products if you have specific tasks for it. And buy Windows laptop for everything else, as an all rounder.

[@rawkfist-ih6nk]

I just tried a Lenovo that’s probably closest to the MacBook Air. It’s slightly older and was $479 for Black Friday and normally $799. You can’t deny that the nvidia graphics will beat the brakes off the m1 m2 maybe even m4 base models in terms of graphical performance unless it’s a metal framework game or something. I ran llama3.2 on an m1 air vs the Lenovo and the Lenovo was twice as fast easily. The m4 might be much more competitive. For the price it’s not bad. But at the end of the day I prefer the MacBook because macOS is smoother and the hardware feels way better. I liked using wsl on windows but with tools like home brew and macOS being Unix based, i don’t have a good reason to switch unless I need graphics performance for the same or similar price