Macron opts for nuclear option: French government overrides parliament over pensions • FRANCE 24

[@szurketaltos2693]

This moderator is fantastic. Just firm enough, just enough own contributions while letting the panelists speak. Bravo.

[@yvonnefarrell1029]

Not on the back of the poor and the elderly. People in low-wage jobs are usually retired already onto the streets in some cases well before 62. Many of us have not enough to live on to wait until 62 let alone 64. Vive la France

[@teardrop-in-a-fishbowl]

That and that workers in highly physical jobs CAN'T work longer. On the contrary most of them getting sick of the work they do and they're the majority of workers anyway. There our life expectancy goes down the road.

[@gerhardtmuller7439]

my thoughts are, france is heading the same direction as uk, to some degree, which is bad, and we've all been absolutley naiied by our own politicians. people here can't afford food and electricity while they enjoy their fine dining.

[@commonsense6611]

This reminds me of the movie titled "A Bridge Too Far." Pension reform is needed and has become an economic necessity to support the entire retirement system. However, the incremental jump of adding 2 years of additional work to retire was just a bridge too far for most to accept. It would have been much easier to have gone up 1/2 a year for those over 60, a year for those over 55, and 2 years for those over 50. Thus, the impact would be different, but the economic result would be the same.

[@Nickle314]

The peasants have handed over trillions. Use that "investment" to pay the pensions? Ah yes socialism. The money wasn't invested. The liabilities were Bernie Maddoff'ed off the books. Why should the peasants pay for the socialist elite's crimes?

[@teardrop-in-a-fishbowl]

There's nothing, but neo-liberal and neo-conservative bs, what supports your "people must work longer". Nuffin.

[@Mr.SLovesTheSacredHeartofJesus]

I agree!

[@joshuashastal9828]

Come on France 🇫🇷 do what you guys do best

[@walden6272]

People are weak today. The brainwashing by medias, movies, and schools made them think that peaceful protests is the only solution when violent revolution has always been what got the country to change for the better.

[@stiv6242]

nothing will happen, they will just riot for a couple days, then all go home and grumble about it after

[@jamessquare]

Revolutions?

[@Nickle314]

Default on the peasants pensions, to pay your banker mates in full

[@josephshields2922]

And feed the war machine!

[@irvingkurlinski]

Thank you Professor Wolff!

[@parsoumash]

A Republican Monarchy is pretty accurate.

[@lillianrojas109]

Ranked Choice Voting is something that a lot of progressives in America are looking at as a way to problem solve the issues that single elections create, it’s worth it to have a conversation about in France.

[@thesixth2330]

Imagine a system where every person could log a well-counted vote online on every issue. Do you think people would vote from an informed decision on every vote? Populism is too chaotic that why these countries are Republican Democracies, not direct democracies like Classical Greece.

[@gregorygray3283]

stop pay increases for government employees cut government expenses more zoom less free travel online conferences would be great.

[@gkbbkg64]

Well French financial resources are stretched they can either spend it on French citizens, pensions for the elder population and for the benefit of the French public or on war efforts against Russian government and public. ... The French government has billions to spend on Ukraine for as long as it takes but not enough money to pay pensions to its elder population. .. The French President will have to decide the priorities of the French government

[@bujangtue1557]

Mambo de Paris.All over again.

[@lubobys7139]

meanwhile in UK parlament is proposing retirement at 68 years , and great British people prefer to count small boats from France

[@maxheadrom3088]

The participatory budget in Brazil works like this: there's proposition and it's put on the Congress website where people can go there and agree or disagree. Pres. Lula's party often tried to make stronger participatory decision making but never managed to do it and received strong criticism from withing his party (the Trotskists, I think) claiming that was a way to co-opt civil societ groups; others criticise it claiming those are attempts to override Congress. I agre with both criticisms. An example: when Lula was under investigations and investigative journalists were finding more and more dirty about him and the leaders of the Workers Party (PT), he tried to create a participatory agency that would do "social control of the media" ...

[@yungskoota5016]

That’s democracy 😂😂😂😂

[@bearmerica6668]

I love watching the French argue. Not as much as seeing them demonstrate and riot.

[@袁大陸]

French government is not a good administrator and operator , could not make profit by its pension system.

[@alessandraceresa8003]

Fantastic! hope it spreads to EU and at the earliest to Italy , the one perpetually asleep whio is giving away the country day by day.

[@juniorkalongo9740]

Democracy has failed in the own assembly teacher.

[@gerhardtmuller7439]

europe is getting poorer, regardless, and all they seem to come up with is attacking the income of the poorest

[@teardrop-in-a-fishbowl]

We don't even need to have a longer work life! Boost "have a baby" and help young parents where ever you can so that you have a bigger access to workers! But that would cost money governments won't spend on! Our work - life balance is in imbalance and not democratic anyway. People are getting sick and reach barely the pension age without losses in work-years due to sickness and unemployment time. Those who do, a minority of all, die much earlier. These are in majority men!

[@antonychipman3088]

the French will now show the world what democracy really is

[@beniceandhappy]

French is still operating??

[@Wongrich6]

No politicians know how to setup a new system or policy, all look at other countries how they systems work😢don't mean the West always have the best knowledge so can democracy work😅👍🍺

[@Faradiddle]

Everything is just fine in the EU utopia 😂

[@mobilcomo4505]

Kiiyg

[@ep477]

The government should collapse because of its unlimited support for ukraine not this.

[@BK-uf6qr]

Seems to me that when some people don’t get their way, they pout and question democracy. Sometimes decisions need to be made.

[@josephshields2922]

Democracy ? What Democracy? Did you even listen to the broadcast? The President let no one have a say it is dictatorship!

[@diegoyuiop]

People like democracy only as long as the side they support is in power

[@youssefmraizika5433]

Well! Let me tell you what's really happening! All African countries kicked France out for good! No more Free resources so now France needs to recalculate the spending. This is just the beginning; France in fact is so poor and it'll be out of the European Union very vey soon.

[@maxheadrom3088]

Some observations: Where did they got the idea that "humans are selfish by nature"? The idea of human nature is very criticized by fields from Philosophy to Neuroscience. The ideal of "more democracy" meaning more forms of direct participation is exactly what got the world in the mess we find ourselves. Elected representatives should not be a proxy for the voters wishes and opinions but someone who makes a pact with the voters promissing to fight for them - and sometimes figting for them means doing things the voters don't want. An example is the end of Capital Punishment and the Decriminalization of Homossexuality in the UK after WWII - both were unpopular measures that were approved in Parliament with support of both the ruling aliance and the oposition. Is there anything we can learn by looking at the US political system? Well ... we can learn a lot of things that should be done ...

[@titania145]

and a heck more of what SHOULDN'T EVER be done 😱🤦🏼‍♀️

[@sandervesik173]

France needs a proportional representation in parliament and government and ditching of presidency.

[@vinniechan]

They used to have a parliamentary democracy Their system was formed after Algeria independence which is a whole other story but point being there is reason they have the system.the way it is now But then things work until they dont

[@sandervesik173]

​@@vinniechan I know the history. I think the system has run its course and needs replacement to improve or really, to keep things from decaying further.

[@diegoyuiop]

@@sandervesik173 they're gonna end up like Italy

[@BK-uf6qr]

It’s amazing that people in the past lived generally happy. These days, people want what they can’t have and get upset when they don’t get their way. To many chefs in the kitchen.

[@melvinpenman1102]

You are kidding right, read some history…

[@josephshields2922]

You must be one of the 1% who live off the labor of the working class,

[@josephshields2922]

Wrong, they want to keep what they already have and you want to take it away.

[@carolinevivion9173]

Saddely, People thinking this way, is why situation like this is happening.

[@liamp.8826]

You get what you voted for, France! 😉 Next time vote "right" (FAR RIGHT‼️)

[@rbb.828]

Vote far right lol in other words, rob the younger generation to give the people what they want *now* and ensure it’s defunct by the time the youngest workers today retire. Great plan!

[@mellowInventor]

... because the right-wing are champions of social welfare? I think you might be mixing up ideologies.

[@Nickle314]

@@mellowInventor Le Pen and co are very very socialist. You just want to distance yourself from them because of the history of National Socialism.

[@walden6272]

So the Right will lower the retirement age back to 55 and increase pension payments? Wow, where do we all sign up? LOL

[@szurketaltos2693]

@@mellowInventor the right wing support redistribution when it goes to "the right people". I.e. those higher on the hierarchy such as the nobility, bankers, etc depending on time and place.