Madame Web is a Trainwreck

[@captainmidnight]

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[@burgergud2804]

The movie was fantastic

[@pensador6953]

i wonder if you will try and find out what happened. Because if you don't mind. I'd like to stick my neck here on that and try to guess. In my opinion, the responsible was wokeness, specifically the aparatchek they hired. Is a full on scan. Akin to a mafia shake down

[@pensador6953]

@@burgergud2804 if you are high.

[@eddiejoewalt7746]

OK CAPTAIN MIDNIGHTER OR WHATEREVER YOU F NAME IS CALL YOU DONT HAVE TO FORCE FEED YOU FANS LIKE BABIES!

[@NadeemShekh-uy9zn]

Thoughts on the fantastic four cast

[@grfrjiglstan]

For anyone who isn’t familiar with Captain Midnight - this is about a furious as he gets. If he were any other KZbinr, he’d be screaming and throwing things with this much rage in him.

[@Caliyusangel226]

OK???

[@fortynights1513]

He was highly critical, but still sounded fairly chill. A video of say Angry Joe reacting to this (if he did films) would sound as harsh as his Madden extension reaction. And if 2014 Mr. Enter reviewed this, it’d probably be as furious as videos he’s deleted.

[@benjaminwatt2436]

Yeah i was waiting for someone like Captain midnight. I get tired of the general criticism, doom of marvel and downfall of Disney stuff.

[@LuisSierra42]

I was actually surprised when I saw the thumbnail and video title

[@ProudhonKropotkin]

🤙

[@somecallmejeremy]

Morbius: *flops* Madame Web: *flops* Kraven: Wanna see me do it again?

[@rogueguardian]

Yes please God flop.

[@BetaBreaking]

I still can't believe people were hyped for either of these films. Kraven looks equally as bad as Madame Web and Morbius

[@henzoko5946]

Kraven is rated R so it might be decent. Blood and gore make up for shitty movies at times

[@katherinealvarez9216]

They're all just not good movies.

[@somecallmejeremy]

On the contrary, I could see Venom 3 not flopping due to him being a popular character. I couldn't say that for the other three that I mentioned though.

[@rorylynch7775]

I guarantee in a couple of months, one of the cast is gonna admit they made the same mistake as Matt Smith in Morbius where they were misled into doing the movie,being told it was a Marvel film and being completely unaware of the difference between Sony Marvel and Disney Marvel

[@vanikestewart8578]

I heard Johnson talked to Elizabeth Olsen when she was offer and Olsen told her working with Marvel is a lot of fun

[@smjin11]

@@vanikestewart8578 Tom Holland didn't know he was Spider-Man before it was publicly announced, these company are terrible at communication but it wouldn't be surprising if there was an actual intent to deceive those people.

[@LuisSierra42]

Johnson already fired her agent

[@Supherodude]

Dakota Johnson said she thought this was an MCU movie

[@georgezee5173]

It is said that Dakota Johnson's agent lied to her saying this was a Marvel Studios/MCU movie, and once she found out the truth and how shitty the project was she fired her agent.

[@aidanshea5942]

Hot take: the concept of a Spider-person being a villain in a movie about regular people trying to escape them is a fantastic premise, this movie just butchers it beyond belief

[@bloodrunsclear]

A story about a superior fighter stalking a young all-too-human woman because of a vision of the future in which she destroy him, and she's joined by equally human and courageous people trying to escape but also think of a way to stop the seemingly unstoppable stalker? ... That sounds familiar

[@cormano64]

I'll raise this by proposing a movie about a very fast and agile creature that hunts people for sport and chooses not regular people, but the most skillful and deadly prey they can find. This is a plot I invented all by myself and nobody else ever thought about it. Ever.

[@aidanshea5942]

@@cormano64 Ah yes, Kraven the Predator

[@galetempus1979]

On the other hand, this movie's failure stopped the thousands of "evil spiderman" movies and shows that a good movie would have inspired

[@audaciousjones]

its just terminator done awful

[@jordangerardpotier]

“When you take on great responsibility, you will achieve great power” that is an actual line from the movie!

[@syressx9098]

hmmm, kinda true actually, if you think about it. If you live up to it ofc

[@tjenadonn6158]

A line written by someone who has never interacted with a public school teacher.

[@suicunesrider]

Holy shit haha

[@Luke101]

Most idiotic rendition of that classic line. They made it not make sense

[@jamescaldwell2357]

That line makes sense. I'll rephrase it a bit: If you want to achieve success in life, you have to take on responsibility, and success . . . leads to power and influence.

[@franciscozamorano3896]

The original plot was leaked a while ago before the film reshoots. It had a strong terminator-like plot, where Ezekiel goes back in time to kill Peter's mom that's why the film is set in 2003. So the future madame web sends visions to the 2003 madame to warn her and protect Mary Parker,still gets her powers the same way.Emma Roberts and Adam Scott had a bigger role before the reshoots, That's why the girls stay with them.

[@rahbeeuh]

See...that makes way more sense! I was wonderin' the whole time why Mary and Ben Parker were even involved. I only knew slightly bout the reshoots but didn't know to what extent.

[@ShadicNanaya510]

Honestly... that sounds kinda baller...

[@animarok9032]

That sounds more of a cohesive narrative

[@virtheon]

That makes me wonder if there was any Disney involvement. Like, if they objected to the movie essentially being about Peter Parker. That might explain why the already incompetent Sony execs tried remixing the original script and made this nonsense. I haven't actually seen the movie and don't plan to lol, so this is just speculation off people speculating.

[@PlayMadness]

Just the knowledge that "I went back in time to kill Spider-Man's mom before he is born" means going to TWO THOUSAND AND FUCKING THREE hurts me.

[@RastaGamesful]

Madame Web is another proof that Sony doesn't understand what to do with the characters in the Spider-Man universe without Spider-Man. They simply don't work! It was just terrible. One of the worst superhero movies I've ever seen.

[@somejerkbag]

They don't know what to do with the characters in Spiderman when there is a Spiderman either 😆

[@jamescaldwell2357]

In the hands of a talented writer, and bit of creative freedom, any character can work. Sony's failure has nothing to do with the lack of a Spider-Man, it's a lack of talent.

[@arubinojr5670]

I really don't get how any of this is even supposed to lead into a Sinister Six TM movie when these characters are the heroes. Is Val gonna show up from the MCU when they all meet and say "You know those loved ones you loved? Spiderman killed them all. All of them. Yes, including your mother in the 70s (EDIT: in the Amazon before she died), Cassie."

[@Cousinbiddy1]

At least Morbius was a good film

[@Karlebow571]

I think Sony should give up rights of Spider-Man to marvel

[@anthonysaunders345]

Also, she's supposedly a paramedic, but doesn't know how to do CPR properly.

[@chewy_bucca]

I cried

[@MrEdit-ic7th]

Are you serious?

[@verdegaban1615]

Just as stupid as that scene from the Pearl Harbor movie where the sailors drown because they *can't* swim.

[@royami8627]

bruh

[@sagittariusrat4959]

Is the character actually doing CPR wrong, or is it that she can't actually do it because this is live-action and doing so would break the actor's ribcage

[@foxfire9124]

It'd be a lot more interesting if they kept Web's disabilities and powers from the comics and used it to flip the film on its head: a blind, paralyzed woman with incredible psychic abilities who needs support from the girls (who in this version are volunteers at a nursing home or something), while the villian wants to kill Web because he made her blind and wants to finish the job. Now you have reason for the characters to care for each other, the villian has a semblance of a motivation, and even a nice message about how the disabled and elderly aren't useless.

[@Vidzette]

That would have been great tbh 👏🏻

[@jonathanbowers8964]

It would have been great, but would have had to face a ton of right wing "anti-woke" criticism for daring to have a superhero film centered on a disabled protagonist. Granted if it was good enough, it would shake off the "anti-woke" criticism (look at Barbie and Across the Spiderverse), but given how awful these writers are, it would probably have just been another example of sacrificial trash (ala Ghostbusters 2016)

[@junito8423]

​@@jonathanbowers8964A movie where all the main characters are women will get those criticism regardless.

[@MVPMVE]

Right-wing antiwoke criticism??? This is a terrible and easily disproved generalization. Conservatives like myself love GOOD CHARACTERS, like BLIND Daredevil, AMPUTEES Lizard and Winter Soldier, the PARALYZED Charles Xavier, DEAF Hawkeye, EYELESS Nick Fury, etc. Hell, Doc Ock could count because his prosthetics are fused to his spine, and Cyclops, who has to wear his special eye gear at all times because he can't keep reliable control of his mutation without them. DC's own Cyborg, who is largely made up of advanced biomechanical prosthetics, is a widely popular character that struggles with the resentment, dehumanization and isolation of what his father attached to him without consent after the lab accident that left him disfigured and killed his mother. DC's Barbara Gordon (OG Batgirl) spent a few years in a wheelchair as Oracle after the Joker left her to die after he shot her and almost severed her spine. If Madame Webb and Echo and whoever else are rejected, it's not because of "right-wing antiwoke criticism," it's because they're badly written and acted.

[@devilex121]

@@MVPMVE If that's the case, you're in a very very small minority. Most of the conservatives I know call each of these types of movies "woke" basically as a codeword for "too many minorities" or whatever rather than providing an actual criticism.

[@koalasquare2145]

I saw this film in the Amazon with my mom when she was researching spiders just before she died

[@ObamacareInventor]

That meme line isn't even in the movie. Garbage film.

[@QuoteBlink]

Audience: You are without doubt the worst movie I've ever seen. Madame Web: But at least you've seen me.

[@somerandolad]

Was that a Pirates of the Caribbean reference?

[@Makrangoncias]

nah, I didn't and I won't. When I've seen the trailer I wondered if this is a legit thing or just some kind of fan fiction or fan movie...

[@LuisSierra42]

@@somerandolad That's a Jack Sparrow reference

[@shan4680]

"Madame Web: But at least you've seen me." Guess again where this in theory potential audience member is concerned!

[@-Bion]

@@LuisSierra42 That's CAPTAIN Jack Sparrow

[@zsht]

Now we know why Tom Holland cried down the phone when he heard Sony was taking Spider-Man movies away from Marvel. Tom knew.

[@parkercrossland410]

Honestly if they stopped trying to write new movies and instead just used the script from the 90's TAS they would be golden

[@NoobTheNewt0987]

Leaks have shown that Sony and Marvel are arguing on what Tom’s Spider-Man 4 should be. Marvel wants SM4 to go the street level route and have Daredevil and Kingpin while Sony wants to do a second No Way Home except possibly bigger with Andrew and Tobey coming back. This just shows that Sony does not even know what they are doing and just want money

[@dean988]

@@NoobTheNewt0987i think sonys idea would flop. bringing back toby and andrew wouldnt have the same spark anymore and that alone wouldnt be as enticing as bringing in new interesting characters already loved by fans that are not in the movies yet (or as enticing as actually making a good movie for the first time in years) i also feel everyone is pretty sick of all the random useless multiverse stuff. NWH isn’t a very rewatchable movie because of it, it’s just sort of shock value without anymore shock in it. Everyones done it since NWH, and it was already oversaturated when NWH came out

[@mistergeneration]

@@parkercrossland410they’d find a way to screw it up.. but I like where you’re heads at 👍

[@olestokke]

@@NoobTheNewt0987I think it is very obvious Peter Parker have to go back to street level, simple suit-Spider-man. So If Sony ruins SM4, I’ll quit watching Sonys SM-movies. And I have not even seen Morbius, and are not planning to see Madame Web. I don’t think I even will watch Kraven, considering how awfull the trailer looks. But I can be wrong, like I was after watching the trailer for «The Marvels». Trailer looked bad, and I was positively surprised

[@GrievousReborn]

Are we sure Sony didn't make this thing as a tax write-off?

[@TH3F4LC0Nx]

Well they can't use it that way once they release it, so unfortunately, that means they were actually behind it to some degree. XD

[@MX-SCARS]

They couldnt have made a more enjoyable tax writeoff???

[@donovanheimer4002]

You’re close with the tax write off idea, but I think they’re doing something a little different. Sony’s contract with Marvel back in 2000 requires Sony to produce and release a “Spider-Man” movie every 3 to 5 years. Otherwise the movie rights go back to Marvel. What I think they’re doing is giving themselves a cushion where they’re releasing lower budget movies that use characters in their Spider-Man property every year. They don’t have to worry about getting a proper Spider-Man movie out at a certain time to fulfill the contract or constantly make direct sequels or reboots. Morbius had a budget of like $80 million and still broke even with $160 million. Madame Web has a similar budget. Last year’s Across the Spiderverse made $690 million, which covers its own $150 million budget plus almost 7 Morbius budget movies. Even if all their terrible movies flop, Sony still really wants to keep the Spider-Man rights because their successful movies make them so much money.

[@GrievousReborn]

@@donovanheimer4002 makes sense

[@paulmd7747]

Money laundering

[@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343]

I didn't think the bar could get lower than Morbius but then again, who better to do a worse movie than Morbius than the team that made Morbius?

[@Tonyhouse1168]

If at first you don’t succeed, try again but worse

[@thisisfyne]

Maybe Morbius was their Citizen Kane? Oh what the future awaits

[@battmarn]

​@Loowees2k03it was one of the movies ever made

[@natehardy8350]

😂 you got me crying into my zoot

[@JustSomeMexicanwithaMustache]

I'm sorry you had to watch this movie 😞 You will forever have my respect.

[@jacobsims8307]

He might need some of your drugs there Mr drug lord. 😂😂

[@xopasstheaux6617]

Just watched it today, zero expectations and it was honestly entertaining at some points. Mediocre acting from some of the cast, but not as terrible as everyone overreacting about it is making it out to be. I’d give it a 6/10

[@MrMrjack18]

​@@xopasstheaux6617 6/10 means good movie and this movie is terrible ! terrible acting, bad plot, shit villain, no action, bad slow pace ect

[@xopasstheaux6617]

@MrMrjack18 6/10 is not terrible. Your rating sense is fucked. You clearly didn't watch it If you say there's no action. But since you've got adhd, you probably couldn't handle not having a fight scene every 5-10 mins

[@xopasstheaux6617]

@MrMrjack18 6/10 is not terrible, fix your rating sense. If you're really saying there was no action, you either didn't watch the movie or you have adhd, wanting action every 5-10 mins. And saying it was slow paced as well tells me you definitely have adhd

[@FlackNCoke]

It will never make sense to me that we got a Madame Web movie before we got Black Cat or Silver Sable on screen in any capacity.

[@jesusramirezromo2037]

Whatever happened to that movie?

[@N2Deep00]

Hey now, don't give them any more ideas

[@rahbeeuh]

Black Cat was my intro interest into comics and I don't need Sony screwing that up!! Take it back 😭

[@JWonn]

@@jesusramirezromo2037 I'm guessing those Halle barry catwoman movies poisoned the well, and sony didn't want to go down that road.

[@jesusramirezromo2037]

@@JWonn But they did plan a movie about it, right before Venom 2 came out Black Cat and Silver Sable

[@thedukeofchutney468]

I’m not watching this movie on principle alone… that being said I’m always down for watching Captain Midnight.

[@angosrock2625]

Please watch it. The end is the funniest thing i've ever seen

[@jacobsims8307]

@@angosrock2625yeah? 😂😂 I might need a good laugh tonight.

[@angosrock2625]

@@jacobsims8307 i'm not kidding, i couldn't stop laughing, half of the people at the movie couldn't stop laughing, it's an experience you can't miss

[@teehub7389]

@@angosrock2625Better than "I'm not sure how I got here... Has to do with Spider-Man, I think... I don't know, I'm still figuring this place out, but I think a bunch of guys like us should... team up... could do some good?"

[@angosrock2625]

@@teehub7389 nah, it's by far the worst movie i've seen in my life. Everything is awful. The visual effects, the direction, acting, dialogues. And the action, i've never seen something like that, there was no tension at all. It's impressive

[@jakejones1814]

They showed me a Madame Web ad before this. Ironic.

[@jussts]

Iconic.

[@SquidwardSmellsGOOD734]

Bruh, that literally happened to me too.

[@nikidelvalle]

How did you get into the ad? Or, more appropriately, heh... how did that get in there?

[@jakejones1814]

@@nikidelvalle Fixed. My bad.😆

[@jakejones1814]

@@SquidwardSmellsGOOD734 Coincidence? I think not.

[@sydmoore6]

Whoever’s idea it was to cast Dakota Johnson as a super hero lead should be personally interviewed. I need to know WHY. WHY??

[@m.d.s.69]

Because her father is Don Johnson..... nepotism for the win! 😂

[@TheSuperappelflap]

As one reviewer wrote, the clothed portion of her career is quite bad.

[@LiddlestLady]

@@TheSuperappelflapshes pretty terrible clothed or unclothed

[@TheSuperappelflap]

@@LiddlestLady idk she looks good to me

[@LiddlestLady]

@@TheSuperappelflap she’s good looking but if i’m going to watch unclothed ppl do bad acting, ill just watch porn

[@lpc9929]

I am infertile from eating scented candles. The

[@Liam_219]

Preach 🗣️

[@VO1D333]

Scented candles

[@warlordbasil5873]

Scented candles the?

[@Canadish]

Still less cringe than watching this movie.

[@Peasizedpottasium]

Scented candles the movie?​@@warlordbasil5873

[@FroJSimpson]

Sony's really trying to one-up the Arrowverse by giving all these movies a full motion picture budget treatment while still retaining a 'The CW' TV-show level quality of writing and direction. All this for Spider-Man characters that nobody wants to see interact with anyone other than Spider-Man, which will never happen because of "reasons."

[@devilex121]

To be fair, isn't the director of this movie coming with experience only in directing TV shows?

[@TapCat]

The first time I saw the trailer, I just assumed that it was for an upcoming TV show. The whole thing just felt like a CW show. I was legitimately shocked when I realized that this was going to be released in theaters. Let's just say that I haven't been surprised by the reception it's been getting.

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

@@TapCat Sadly a lot of adolescents and adults IRL in my community that love mainstream superhero media such as DC, Batman, MCU, and TMNT didn't give DD much of a chance and dropped it before the stick episode because apparently it's slow stale boring and lame and DD is weak and stupid for being blind and love Arroverse, Mandalorian, and mainstream shows on Prime and Max. They all thought I was crazy for loving the show and think nobody else likes It. One particular person IRL who is a know it all and biased DC hypocrite obiects that the MCU sucks and should be more like The Dark Knight (stakes and consequences, people dying, dark tone, Batman beating up Joker in interrogation) and ironically he loves the Arrowverse and says it's great and says DC has better Live Action Shows than Marvel. He said Flash and Arrow are great and that he "tried watching Daredevil" but it wasn't "that good" and everyone around him agreed didn't say anything

[@DatanCinema]

As a former employee at the CW the issue with CW shows is self-sabotage from upper management (intervention) with that said though their has been some good shows that have come out of the CW, the issue is they eventually get corrupted. The show I worked on "The Originals" has extremely good writing & I heard the Superman show there is also pretty well written for a CW show

[@jinpei05]

This was probably the most diplomatically worded review I've seen to date 😅

[@LuisSierra42]

Watch Chris Stuckmann's

[@GuineaPigEveryday]

You also can't help but be infuriated that one film managed to gather all of these really wonderful actors, either quite famous well-known ones, or up-and-coming talents, and then just wastes every single one, I mean just think of what roles they had to miss out for this, or what other films we could've seen them in instead of this. Like yeah they get money, but for anyone who's a fan of any of these actors, its just such an rare opportunity for any movie to afford so many talented ppl and then its spent on something like this. Like I think many of us have seen all these actors in many different roles b4, hell people like Celeste O Connor and Isabela Merced in the past years been making their name known, I thought O'Connor was rlly quite good in A Good Person and pretty decent in Ghostbusters, and Merced was pretty great in Sicario 2 and seems to do some interesting stuff in Dora, Instant Family, Father of the Bride and Rosaline (and will be in a John Green adaptation). A dogshit film like this probably matters very little for Dakota Johnson, who at this point seems to just coast on nepo-baby status and Fifty Shades, but honestly its a shame it might hurt the careers of less-established ones.

[@pretorious700]

"Really wonderful actors" It's a shame when standards get that abysmally low.

[@alexraj9436]

Actors lol diversity quotas

[@TheSuperappelflap]

Good actors? The bloinde has a good....personality. Thats about it.

[@randomatorPHD]

Eh, if *this* is the project they all agreed to, they weren’t going to lift up a better project either.

[@GuineaPigEveryday]

@@pretorious700 have you seen any of the movies they were in? they're not 70+ veteran iconic actors, sure, but for up and coming actors they're pretty damn decent, better than Dakota Johnson who's just been doing jackshit all these years, these actors at least worked and earned their place in Hollywood. But yeah sure judge them for this movie, after all its not as if Robert Pattinson did an awful role but afterwards proved he's a great actor, or Kristen Stewart for that matter, no let's just look at one movie and conclude they're all shit cuz they had bad dialogue as if an actor decides that

[@jussts]

This movie really strains the idea that no one sets out to make a bad movie.

[@miadatenshi9903]

Ezekiel's weakness being cars is a very interesting twist

[@JamesBurrTV]

And ambulances. And advertising.

[@GenerationWest]

The premise could work, because it kinda did, there was a late mid 90's comic that's just Madame Web and the Spider-Women, doing stuff, but you know, that would cost more money than 80 million, and would be more exciting probably not, since Sony Pictures is behind it.

[@ascubis2511]

So I can’t share many details because of the contract we all signed but trust me when I say this was NOT the plan we had for Madame Web and once again it was the studios interference at the last minute that’s made the movie like this, Captain Midnight had some excellent points and looking forward to being able to share how things went wrong on the set once things have blown over

[@geardog24]

I surprised Madam Web never got the chance to say “It’s webbing time!”

[@prisco67-o7v]

​@romulu7673 You will never escape this joke, no matter how hard you try.

[@kotarojujo2737]

@romulu7673 yes and?

[@SincereNoble]

Look, there is nothing there. There is absolutely no reason for an entire Madame Web movie. Fans didn't ask for this. Madame Web isn't a solo character she is a D-list character within the Spiderman universe inside the marvel universe.

[@NerdyZanoth]

I mean, on paper a madame web movie doesn't sound like it'd be amazing but could be an interesting movie if DONE WELL. Kind of like a Sonic the Hedgehog, Power Rangers, or Barbie movie.

[@ZachBobBob]

EXACTLY. Sony are just doing shit for the sake of it. There's no rhyme or reason at all.

[@sophietwilight5051]

doesnt mean they cant do it

[@MrMrjack18]

Not D character ! that's insult ! Madame Web is amazing character, if you've seen Spider-Man 1994 animated series, you know she is great character !

[@nahor88]

Fans didn't ask for a GoTG movie, and Kevin Feige knew this. He made sure he got a great director and a great cast to sell the concept to us, and it worked out. I still didn't see it initially cuz I had no fucking clue who those characters are, but the hype and RT score were enough to finally check it out on streaming, and I have zero regrets.

[@stanley13579]

A good point Andre from Midnight's Edge made... is how bad, low-effort superhero movies like this "cheapen" the overall brand, and the genre in general. People go see this, think to themselves "eh, this isn't fun any more"... and they're just going to stop going to theatres to see ALL super hero movies. Sony is damaging their own license.

[@berserk4souls]

Good, we need less super hero movies not more.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

In my opinion it was never fun to begin with. The first Iron Man movie was okay as a standalone film. The second one was incredibly dumb and boring. I watched the first Avengers film when it came out and couldnt believe how dumb the plot was and how bad the jokes were and how cheap it looked. Didnt watch any of the sequels. I did like the first Guardians of the Galaxy movie, it felt more like a sci fi comedy movie and not like a comic book movie. But then the second one again was really bad so i didnt watch number 3. Overall Marvel has had way more misses than hits. People were just caught up in the hype and childhood nostalgia for people who read comic books. I read books without pictures as a kid so I dont have the nostalgia glasses.

[@Sosodefkid]

@@TheSuperappelflapoh you’re one of those guys….

[@copperandgold4674]

@@Sosodefkidno YOU are 😂

[@Sosodefkid]

@@copperandgold4674 grass go touch it

[@darwincity]

Bear in mind, the actor who plays Ezekiel Sims was considered, back in 2009, as the great promise of French acting. Someone who could have Jean Reno-level international success. He then decided to go directly to the later years Jean Reno.

[@ToonamiT0M]

I get that Sony is making these moves just to hold onto the Spider-Man IP, but is it really worth it if this is the caliber of movie they're using it for? At some point they have to lose more money from their bad movies than they are making from renting out Spider-Man to Marvel.

[@VonFreklstein]

Its gross but yeah they can take a hell of a lot more stinkers and they will before they ever give up this IP.

[@LeonardoKlotz]

Sony should let Phil Lord and Chris Miller in charge of their cinematic universe They're the only ones that know what they're doing

[@benwasserman8223]

Except on Solo.

[@GoTenDu]

​@@benwasserman8223I'm pretty sure they knew what they were doing on Solo. Sadly, the producers and them weren't on the same page.

[@yerabbit]

@@benwasserman8223 We've never really seen their cut of the movie, but I don't think they were fired because their movie was bad. I think they were fired for going over budget, too much improv

[@EChacon]

@@GoTenDuLucasfilm under Kathleen Kennedy have been notorious with restrictions and creative differences with certain filmmakers resulting in some of them quitting or being let go from Lucasfilm 4-6 months during filming and at the same time having certain films being reshot (e.g. Solo, Rogue One). Rian Johnson was literally the ONLY filmmaker Lucasfilm didn’t put any restriction on when he did _The Last Jedi_ and let him do what he wants without *ANY* restrictions and reshoots. Not to mention when Lucasfilm had the rights to _Children of Blood and Bone_ before the film rights lapsed in January 2021, they refused to allow the author of the books, Tomi Adeyemi a screenwriting credit and Tomi grew frustrated on Lucasfilm’s focus on other projects rather than doing _Children of Blood and Bone_

[@benwasserman8223]

@@yerabbit From what I gather, their improv, multi-take approach to filming scenes was going too far off script and didn’t produce enough shots on time. So they were let go.

[@Shadow0464-ey9eh]

Madame Web is exactly what will happen to the MCU Spider-Man franchise if Sony ever decides to stop working with Kevin Feige, it's absolutely freaking terrifying if you think about it.

[@embargovenom9948]

Sadly, Kevin Feige hasn't done anything good since they got rid of the committee keeping him in check, either.

[@salarzx62090]

​@@embargovenom9948 still better than what Sony is doing

[@nahor88]

@@embargovenom9948 Wrong, the GENERAL quality has gone down, but there's still some good stuff.

[@mikannn]

TIL Rita Repulsa’s name in English was also Rita Repulsa! (I grew up watching the Brazilian dub. In Portuguese, “repulsa” actually means “disgust”, so I thought it must have been a translation from some other name)

[@SchlockAndAweFilms]

Why in 2003 was a Pepsi factory filled with explosives

[@formulahank1250]

I’ve said for years that Dakota Johnson takes me out of movies because of wooden delivery and a lack of emotion. I was shocked when it was announced she was getting a superhero movie made around her, and I was proven correct. I might have to see it just because of how bad I’ve heard it is

[@MissFreya89]

Same. Not trying to hate on Dakota, but I can't think of a film she's done that I liked or liked her performance in.

[@formulahank1250]

@@MissFreya89 I find her pretty funny and charismatic in interviews, so it’s just weird she has none of it on the big screen. The time she called out Ellen is still one of the funnier TV moments I’ve ever seen

[@thisisfyne]

She truly has the charisma of a paper towel holder

[@clintoruss153]

@@thisisfynemost women do

[@azural8347]

​@@clintoruss153 love that you hate women so much you keep bringing it up in random conversations

[@whattheworldneedsiscreativ6421]

Literally the concept of a Madame Web solo movie would only work as an animated short film, not a full feature length live-action movie...

[@iainronald4217]

When someone first described the plot of this film to me, I thought "A film where Spider-Man is this Anton Chigurh level of unstoppable force trying to stop a bunch of superhumans. Where we see it from the superhuman's perspective, that's cool, I'd watch that." Too bad it wasn't like that. Think about it, Spider-Man is agile, he's fast, and he's super strong, if you're a teenager just discovering your powers and he's after you, that's pants-shittingly terrifying. Even Spider-Man’s humour would be scary, imagine this unstpppable force that’s been hurling shipping containers at you for an entire film and thwipping to where you are after spending minutes skillfully outrunning him just stops, puts his hands on his hips and starts quipping. That would be terrifying, you’d think he’s unhinged! If that was the film we got, that would have been super cool.

[@johansmallberries9874]

They could’ve printed money with a Sydney Sweeney led Spiderwoman/Spidergwen movie. It wouldn’t even have to be great, just competent, and it would’ve turned a profit. But this? Not since the Gollum video game have I so strongly asked “but y tho?”

[@fortynights1513]

There’s a Gollum video game? What kind of game?

[@gwen6622]

​@@fortynights1513do you live under a rock

[@xvx4848]

Sony's just begging for Disney to buy back Spiderman at this point. They have absolutely no clue what to do with him or that universe.

[@zacharymccoy7091]

This is like the 12th most anticipated movie of 2004.

[@fortynights1513]

Not defending the film or anything (hadn’t heard of it before this upload). But what about it makes it feel like something released in the 2000’s?

[@Moonhermit-]

@@fortynights1513 I mean, it kinda feels like those superhero movies that mostly released during the 90s but had some stragglers pop up in the early 2000s even after the first Raimi Spider-Man movies. The ones where some no-name studio picked up the rights to a D-list character for pennies and had full confidence it would become the next Batman. Y'know, a bit like that Steel movie with Shaq, or that Elektra movie that was banking heavily on the semi-success of the already pretty shit Daredevil movie.

[@rahbeeuh]

​@@fortynights1513it does take place in 2003 so their comment isn't too far off

[@fortynights1513]

@@rahbeeuhWas not aware of that, and if it was said in the video then my apologies for missing that.

[@diegolaradiaz8948]

​@@fortynights1513the ending shot and the costumes they wear and just act screams mid 2000's

[@HejaWolf]

I don't think I have heard Midnight so upset, and that is really saying something.

[@GOODYGOODGOOD789]

Madame Web wishes us an early Halloween as the words of ISB supervisor Blevin ring out in all our minds "It took the combined ingredients of idiocy, ineptitude, and total disengagement for this farce to have reached the full apex of incredulous disaster."

[@thejamnasium6447]

Dakota Johnson: *has always been just absolutely awful* reviewers of Madame Web: "Dakota Johnson is really bad in this"

[@justinriley]

How do you make a movie where Sydney Sweeney is in skin-tight leather this dull?

[@dastvan8002]

The idiots who wrote Morbius: Super easily, barely an inconvenience

[@GuineaPigEveryday]

@@dastvan8002 they managed to make Adria Arjona boring too. How the hell do you do that?

[@gazem_3211]

​@@dastvan8002Oh really?

[@simen30]

she isnt pretty at all

[@somecallmejeremy]

I'm gonna be true to myself and say that The Marvels was infinitely better than this even if it's a low bar. At least, the trio had chemistry and was bonding throughout the movie with and without their powers, you don't really see that in this movie and were just people for Cassie to babysit until Ezekiel is defeated.

[@maryhowland3558]

Thank you for spotting all the ADR - it's such a shoddy way of back-engineering poor script preparation/rehearsal. But also remember what editing does to a performance. It is possible Johnson and Rahim did make more interesting choices on unused takes, but these 'just do it like it's written' takes are the ones that got picked for the edit. This looks like a director who didn't trust his actors to get on with their job.

[@GabesEdtiz]

5:46 Funny you mention T2, because I could actually see Linda Hamilton as a better, more comic accurate version of Madame Web.

[@AlwayzFresh]

The team that wrote this film are responsible for nothing but terrible flop after terrible flop(Morbius is one of them). Unfortunately for everyone else involved, the writing team were literally the worst money can buy in Hollywood, which is a crazy thing for the producers to actually do. This was 100% intentional sabotaged by the producer, just not sure why yet. Nowadays "the making of" is more interesting than the actual products. As far as the lead goes, I have never even heard of her, not surprised she disappointed.

[@Tonyhouse1168]

I have heard of her and I’m very unsurprised that she was terribly disappointing.

[@gorkskoal9315]

Really? she did 50shades and a few other lifetime network movies.

[@jonathanboetto8849]

This is the first review I've watched to really highlight the ADR on Ezekiel. It truly was insane-- I felt like I was watching TeleLatino every time he was on screen!

[@captainoftheneverdie21]

There's a theory that the original story that Ezekiel was trying to kill Peter Parker before he was born but had to be cut because the Mouse laughed them out of the room.

[@chrisg5219]

I really hate when a rich actress is insanely unprofessional like what dakota johnson did.

[@mjade1097]

Would you rather she lie and defend this garbage product? And possibly trick some poor saps into spending money to see it?

[@CaptainCanuck1975]

The "Spiders in the Amazon" meme looks nice on the shelf, sitting right next to the "It's Morbin' Time" meme.

[@shadow_1363]

Thank you for sacrifice in watching this movie for us

[@eastsidereviews727]

Sounds like we all owe Morbius an apology.

[@tjenadonn6158]

A Morbillion mea culpas.

[@LuisSierra42]

Maybe I treated it too harshly

[@Luke101]

Both suck. Don’t give Morbius any slack

[@eduardopantoja9115]

No being a 5/10 movie doesn't deserve an apology for not being a 3/10 movie

[@Eidlones]

People need to stop thinking that a bad movie makes another bad movie better by comparison. They're both bad.

[@morgankw89]

Chris Stuckmann had a great video that released today too that rails against the modern studio system, and how they take such a heavy-handed role in movies, especially franchise movies, and it just ruins them every time.

[@thisisfyne]

Chris Stuckmann has good videos?

[@morgankw89]

@@thisisfyne Yes

[@VinylCover1987]

​@@morgankw89, tell that to Zod's snapped neck!

[@mostawesomestnamever]

My favorite part was when Web looked straight into the camera and said, "It's Madame time!" And the whole audience cheered.

[@rcpolygons]

The biggest thing for me is I didn't even know this movie was released. Now ads no promotion on my end. I only found out this movie was a thing last week.

[@baierogers5096]

I'm bummed (but not surprised) that Sony wasted the premise of paramedics, who are heroes in their own right, becoming superheroes and approaching their newfound abilities with a more grounded perspective. P.S: I'm sad (but, again, not surprised) that Sony wasted Adam Scott, who is such a capable (and severely underrated) actor.

[@amandus14]

I feel like I am melting my brain by watching this video instead of just listening to it. I’ve seen these ten scenes about 3000 times within these 15 mins

[@Iliadic]

2:00 also, why was Ezekiel barefoot half the time? also, the ADR problem was noticeable, but not until you said it. I wondered what all that was about.

[@Carolus_Rex1995]

Brilliant, now that's a much better sponsor! All kidding aside though this was a really good review, I would love to see you do a follow up video on the production when more details are released 🙂

[@JayColor]

"Was Madame Web perfect, no, but neither are we-" sounds like a defense of the movie.

[@captainmidnight]

just a cheeky intro to the ad tbh

[@LuisSierra42]

@@captainmidnight based

[@candrink]

It’s a segway into the sponsor ad

[@wstine79]

Captain Midnight watches it so you don't have to.

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

Sony went from Across the SpiderVerse, to this. Yeah, Sony should’ve cancelled this from the beginning. To Quote some other KZbinr, “Stop making a Sinister Six movie, it’s not gonna happen!”

[@thunderpantz]

The movie was slapped together likely to maintain the rights to the property. They can survive a couple moderately budgeted bombs as long as they have one big hit like Across the Spiderverse to keep things going.

[@lsebastian9086]

@@thunderpantz They keep going like this not even the third movie will save them

[@benmatthews7316]

Would really love to see a video on the upcoming Planet of the Apes trilogy and a look back at the previous trilogy. As a franchise I really don’t think it gets the respect it deserves.

[@GuineaPigEveryday]

Absolutely agreed, I think online you see anyone who's a fan, is a huge fan of the Planet of the Apes movies, and while sure it made a lot of money, it doesn't seem like its talked about much at all anymore, i guess cuz its cgi animals ppl dismiss it, but Matt Reeves' direction and writing and their work with Andy Serkis was just masterful, thats not just relying on CGI, its using it as a tool to enhance an already great story. Definitely one of the best trilogies of the 2010s, it had a really strong narrative throughline, rich themes, great characters who were memorable and didn't rely on an actors face, but on their performance as the character, which is tough to do. I'm very skeptical about the new one, since Matt Reeves is out, and its Wes Ball and his crew from Maze Runner making it which is honestly so dull. I think ppl give it the trailer too much credit for just having good ape effects, but the strength of the original story was very much because of the writing, hell there's been like a dozen Planet of the Apes movies inbetween the '69 film and Rise of the Planet of the Apes that people hardly remember precisely becuz the writing wasn't always as strong. Just having apes in a dystopian world isn't good enough, Tim Burton showed that. So idk, as long as the writing is great, it'd be awesome to have another Planet of the Apes movie, its definitely a concept ripe for stories.

[@Blast2224]

This could have been a secret weapon response to The Marvels, and had the 3 Spider Girls drive the story, without even touching the character of Ezekiel. Instead, Madame Web would be blind and paralyzed in 2008-2009 (the time between Raimi and the reboot), remaining intially depressed "alone" before psychically casting her first "strandline" to the first Spider-Girl in 2019 (a year after the Snap) with the other 2 following in 2020 and 2021. This would be one born out of the absense of a Peter Parker, creating a universe accessible to Strange or others (but left untouched). Web realizes that MCU's Peter's absense along with the events of Far From Home caused additional Spider People to be made to exist in his place, having never known Peter's family and having their unique origin stories and tragedies already predetermined. Instead of Ezekial, I'd rather see Kane and Ben play a villain red herring duo. Kane initially appearing as the bad guy who just wants to kill Peter's clone Ben Reilly, who has donned the classical Scarlet Spider costume with blue sweatshirt in true recreation to 1994. Kane is actually trying to stop Ben from killing the other 3 Spider-Girls, who is secretly using Web to learn which universes he can jump to (instead of his lie in asking for salvation from Kane). Ben knows that his status as a clone can easily render him obsolete, while the Spider-Girls have true unique capabilties despite being "young new heroes". The 3 girls and Kane kill his evil version of Ben Reilly (who is a new casted male actor who has features of all 3 Peters), allowing Kane to don the sleek new Scarlet Spider costume, fullfing Ben's fear he tried to prevent. Web helps him replace Ben Reilly in his universe, with the 3 Spider-Girls now linked with Web. The movie ends with Web more happy in having 4 universes to "grandmother", instead of taking on a more stressful role of Strange. Kane would be casted in late 20s/early 30s to possibly anchor the Sony universe. But this is if effort was put in.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

VENOM had the writer from 50 SHADES OF GREY (who is also directing VENOM 3) MORBIUS had the writers from GODS OF EGYPT (Who are also behind MADAME WEB) And KRAVEN THE HUNTER has the writers from TRANSFORMERS: THE LAST KNIGHT AVI ARAD ruined everything again And he isn't even involved in MADAME WEB

[@RobTFilms]

Why have you commented this on every video talking about Madame Web?

[@GokhanAras-pj1mm]

​@@RobTFilmsHe commented this on every video that talks about sonyverse after morbius's release.

[@mohdamerulaidilbinrazisahm7317]

​@@RobTFilmshe just being a hater and he won't stop talking about it

[@JoshuaBauer007]

Captain Midnight: “Adam Scott has been one of my favorite actors - and U2-centric podcast hosts - for years.” Me: “Is this an episode of ‘I Love Films’?!?”

[@captainmidnight]

I think it is.

[@Big73Red]

If you see the words Sony before a live action movie. You're going to be in for a bad time. The last good live action movie they made was Fury and i was genuinely shocked when it turned out good.

[@MarStoryTime]

So glad you mentioned the terrible ADR. It seemed that even the people who worked on it stopped caring after a certain point.

[@dantev3236]

Two words: studio meddling.

[@thisisfyne]

How about: awful script

[@amspook]

@@thisisfyne I"m gonna add: AI prompt

[@maxordman4100]

Thank you for this review! You make a very good solid case for why this movie failed and yep it’s just super horrible! Ezekiel is probably the best character in the whole movie and they barely use him! Definitely a disappointment to the overall extended Spider-man franchise!

[@bbrbbr-on2gd]

It's always "SupErHerO fAtIgue" and never, "Bad movie fatigue"

[@Sound557]

I just Morbed my pants

[@metaltornado3457]

My favorite part is when she said "It's Madame Time!"

[@phuncc]

i think if they had leaned away from the superhero thing and more into the pirate thing it could have been perfect. maybe switched the medium from film to like a comic book or graphic novel or something. could have used a catchier title as well-maybe "dyadic ocean" or something synonymous idk

[@NoLongerTheHonoredOne]

Love how calm you’ve stayed during this review. Tired of other reviews that are overly negative and cynical about the film and just complaining 😅. This is a nice change of pace.

[@Keitaro13]

Why does the villian looks like spiderman doe? I know the story is tied to the spidey movies but that just looks so cheap lol

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

If i was making this movie, the plot would be like Terminator. Madam Web and the other 2 teleport to different universes to do a job specific to that universe. Sort of like eXiles. They can't leave until the job is done. This universe they have to protect Mary and Ben Parker, as well as ensure that Mary gives birth to Peter. All while being chased by the Bad Guy, who wants to kill Spiderman in every universe. They eventually kill him and its revealed that there is an entire society dedicated to killing Spiderman. Also, Marketing opportunity of Baby Peter Parker in a little outfit with Spiderman's colors that would've been a parting gift from Madam Web.

[@williamjeffries5074]

Just by looking at the Wikipedia articles and TV tropes pages for all the characters in the film, and I was able to think up an entire trilogy of films that would have been far deeper, more epic, and entertaining than this was - all while sitting on the toilet one day. There was so much potential here. Sony just has no clue what to do with it or just straight up doesn’t care.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

I too could come up with a better script while taking a massive shit. The story of my epic shit would be a better script.

[@nathangonzalez9710]

On Dakota Johnson, Im sure shes a lovely person, but, shes a nepobaby. She is related to someone big in Hollywood, thats why she gets roles. None of her roles has she done a good job. She is not a good actess. Also you can kinda tell by the adr, that the acto playing Ezekiel was pissed about the changes. He gave those crappy lines with no emotion. Ive seen him in other things hes great.

[@StuartLugsden]

If Sony isn't going to give up the rights then heres what they need to do. Hand all the film rights back to Feige and just focus on Spiderverse and Insomniac Games. Feige has his flaws but he dose care. Sony's strength is animation and video games, not films.

[@AshXXMayftw]

So...who's excited for Kraven?! On a serious note, I have no faith in Sony in making another one of these standalone Spiderman character movies. Venom 2 was alright, but Morbius was horrible, and this appears to be even worse. And I would not be shocked if Kraven turned out the same way. I'm not sure whether they intend to have all of these characters converge in the MCU in a future Spiderman movie, but they seriously need to rethink their approach. If they wanted these characters on the big screen, they should have made them central characters in a future Spiderman film, not spin them off into their own nonsense stories that have no connection with anything Marvel, aside from the main character and villain.

[@gicousinjoe6199]

Madame Web makes 'Morbius' seem like a contender for the National Film Registry.

[@owlegrad]

“Is madam web perfect? No.” What an odd segue after that review 😂

[@nrpbrown]

Ezekiel as a horror based spider person yoinking cops off the platform was one of the coolest things in the movie but then it was gone :(

[@ToxicTerrance]

Even the trailer looked awful and unfinished. The story seemed like something solely written by studio execs during the writer strike. They probably have some contract where they have to make a movie every x amount of years in order to maintain the rights. I remember Fox had a similar contract to that. That's the only reason we got the Fant4stic dumpster fire of 2014.

[@shinndig1293]

This is what you get for giving Venom a free pass.

[@cb86258]

It bothers me a little bit that people are surprised this was terrible. The moment the poster and cast was released, it was clear what this would be. Hell the movie poster literally looks like a 12 year old did it.

[@Marnie_C]

I wanted to like the film as the idea of constantly getting visions is an interesting idea, it just felt like they didn't go far enough. Ezekiel also felt like a weak villain. He has bad dreams so he gets renderings done based off his memories and then those renderings are de-aged arbitrarily by 10 years and when 3 teenagers show up that maybe look like those drawings he decides "sure I'll kill these random people". He had too much unnecessarily backstory when a simpler premise might have been better. I wish they had gone full terminator and used a more straight forward villain like Scorpion. Ezekiel just felt odd. He is suppose to evoke spiderman but without the webs so hes just a guy who jumps around and sometimes crawls. He sometimes wears an costume but then sometimes doesn't so he obviously doesn't care about people seeing him kill so why wear the legally distinct spiderman suit. His strength is also weird as he doesn't die from a being hit by an ambulance flying through the air or a speeding car but he does die from falling sign parts. Honestly the film felt like a first pass of a story. Lastly, its weird that Cassandra steals a taxi and then proceeds to use it for the rest of the film. Like if she took it and then left it I could see it as a desperate get away but the fact she decided to keep it seems weirdly criminal.

[@TenaciousLeeTV]

Only one word needs to be stated in this case...Sony.

[@cnrsfilms]

I honestly predicted you would title the video what you did

[@AoiShoudou]

The thing with Power Rangers / Rita is because the show is based on a Japanese show called Super Sentai. The robot scenes and the scenes from the moon with Rita Repulsa (at least from the first season) are takes from the Japanese show, so it’s basically a dub

[@HappyNBoy]

I kind of want to give Dakota Johnson a pass, because if I were handed this script and given her paycheck, I'd immediately understand it for the absolute joke of a film that her performance suggests it is. There's no amount of work or investment on her part that could have rescued this thing. She'd be better off going to Kevin Feige and asking him if he'd pay her to sabotage it so marvel studios can have the spider-verse back from Sony. (they can finish the animated stuff)

[@salarzx62090]

If you ever feel stupid, remember there are people who actually think Sony can make better Spider-Man live action movies than the MCU

[@Supramedical68]

Madame Web makes the Marvels movie look like Citizen Kane.

[@brianwashines2645]

Streamed it, wondered why and how it got a theatrical release, and already started forgetting about most of it. The only thing I remember are the huge, canyonesque plot holes. Ezekiel has a computer whiz/masterhacker in the palm of his hand but when we learn all of the teen girls' sad back stories we cannot help but wonder why (why) didn't Ezekiel use all that access to, maybe, perhaps, orchestrate the girls into worse circumstances that would at least delay if not totally neutralize this preconceived threat against his life? He could just as easily tossed two of them into the foster care system into the juvenile court system with his phone. The movie used that as a villain flex but it was another inconsistent aspect of a mutilated script. There could have been deep and engaging talks about Ezekiel's extreme choice over a veritable passive one to alter his future, an ideological duel between Ezekiel and Webb. Think Jonathan Nolan's Westworld or Alex Garland's Ex Machina. But that would require a respect for the audience's intelligence. I never even went that far into Marvel's Spider-Man lore but this movie failed to make me interested in it at all.