Maggot Baits | Even Worse Than Euphoria!

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The August Hail

The August Hail

Күн бұрын

If I told you, that Euphoria, the infamous, death game visual novel, was NOT the most repulsive visual novel to ever exist, you might be surprised.
Because that title belongs to Maggot Baits.
And yet despite it being so utterly despicable, it’s unexpectedly remarkable. I’ve got to say, underneath the cruelest forms of horror. I did not expect it to unravel the truest forms of love.
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@TheAugustHail
@TheAugustHail 10 ай бұрын
If you're curious in more cursed visual novels... you might want to check this out kzbin.info/www/bejne/b4XYon9omZaqb7s
@Serikux
@Serikux 10 ай бұрын
at this point, either make an iceberg video for fucked up visual novels, or make a tierlist
@TheAugustHail
@TheAugustHail 10 ай бұрын
Still in the works.......it's going to be a while lol
@MrPizzapie01
@MrPizzapie01 10 ай бұрын
The real Maggot Baits were the friends we made along the way
@TheAugustHail
@TheAugustHail 10 ай бұрын
*intense bro handshake*
@sprinklypie4334
@sprinklypie4334 4 күн бұрын
Amen
@МихаилЧернега-й1у
@МихаилЧернега-й1у 2 күн бұрын
Still waiting, when people understand this joke was funny only first time ( But its top comment, maybe I need to wait another 5 years ( Screw humanity (
@styjoy
@styjoy 10 ай бұрын
I actually like Maggot Baits more than euphoria for its settings and more linear story telling. Also the witches are way more appealing than sailor suit girls.
@NoU-tt9nl
@NoU-tt9nl 10 ай бұрын
Debatable
@MrAnimeLover1
@MrAnimeLover1 10 ай бұрын
Even Maggot Bait storyline was paid off well in the end (with a good villain) but i still prefer Euphoria. Euphoria had the small cast of characters that I CARE, while Maggot Bait had colorful cast but didnt utilize them enough outside of their H-scene. Even the H-scenes in Euphoria felt like it belong to the context of the story due to Death game setting with sexual theme. One of my most memorable experience from Euphoria is from Rinne Byakuya route, her sudden turn into a cultist leader that i could no longer recognize the girl that i was invested in, i felt despair just like the protagonist. Maggot Bait should toned down the H-scene and focus more to the characters, the shocking scenes are only just as shock if they can at least make me give a damn about the characters...
@akiradkcn
@akiradkcn 7 ай бұрын
Agreed
@james1328
@james1328 10 ай бұрын
"Screwing over the entire world out of love is based" - August Hail 2023
@EN-cd6nh
@EN-cd6nh Ай бұрын
When I saw games made by clockup, I run away. *Never Again*
@fwra1234
@fwra1234 10 ай бұрын
I watched another review about this VN a while ago and a quote they used to illustrate the experienced was: "Sometimes, we uncover the most profound lessons about love and life within the depths of tragedy" so I'll give the game a shot eventually
@Pinakiprime910
@Pinakiprime910 10 күн бұрын
Yea the message of love between the main characters was very deep and tragic in my opinion
@mrdiamond3207
@mrdiamond3207 10 ай бұрын
In my opinion Euphoria still hits harder with the love story reveal, but the Normal Route End in MB is just MWAH! Absolute cinema, arguably better than the True Ending.
@eyeamthei1801
@eyeamthei1801 10 ай бұрын
I wouldn't argue with your statment :)
@imfinishedgrinding638
@imfinishedgrinding638 5 ай бұрын
I wish to hear minor spoilers. What's the normal and true end like? Is the former that good that it's worth subjecting myself through all this?
@mrdiamond3207
@mrdiamond3207 5 ай бұрын
@@imfinishedgrinding638 It's hard to describe the ending with only minor spoilers, honestly. Normal End is good because technically for the main cast it is the worst possible outcome, but for anyone else it is the best one, with a character being granted seemingly absolute power, but being unable or willing to do anything actually meaningful with it. It's that contrast that makes the whole thing shine. True End on the other hand is still pretty good, giving depth to characters that were merely in the background in the Normal Route and expanding on the general topics of the VN (violence, religion and purpose), but it delves quite a bit into the power of love. In general it really depends on how weak your stomach is, but the novel lets you know what you're getting into pretty early on, so if you can stomach the first ~2 hours without a hitch i'd say you're good to go, if not then of course reconsider. There's also the ol' reliable skip button and gore/scat filters if you REALLY want to see the ending without experiencing the horrors.
@imfinishedgrinding638
@imfinishedgrinding638 5 ай бұрын
​@@mrdiamond3207 I do not know why I wasn't notified of your reply but I greatly appreciate it. Bad ending was so excruciatingly tough of a slog to get through and I never was a fan of futanari so it was absolute torture so I put down the game for a week. So if it were you, would you want to swap the endings between normal and true end or you find it fine as is even if one is objectively better over the other?
@mrdiamond3207
@mrdiamond3207 5 ай бұрын
​@imfinishedgrinding638 Oh yeah unlucky, in this house we prefer not to talk about the Monkey House, it's probably the worst part of the game that they added for both shock value and the amount of routes. Honestly, no. Neutral end works better as more of a standalone episode, not really delving into the backstory, lore and whatnot, and it's really damn good at it, but the Good End is more of a definitive conclusion to the novel that gives you clear answers and closure.
@nathanmalik7056
@nathanmalik7056 10 ай бұрын
To be honest, Euphoria and Maggot Baits make Danganronpa look like a Saturday morning cartoon. Both are utterly disgusting even if somewhat bittersweet whereas Danganronpa is over the top as hell.
@averagewhiteguy2
@averagewhiteguy2 10 ай бұрын
I always wonder how VNs like this get popular with regular audiences. But I may try it since I've read similar things. Also, I do want to mention that I don't like how the Japanese portray Christianity as most of them do not understand it even at a basic level. But at least it can be ignored for fun action scenes.
@LordComradeAnarchoCapitalus
@LordComradeAnarchoCapitalus 10 ай бұрын
They just have a different interpretation of it
@averagewhiteguy2
@averagewhiteguy2 10 ай бұрын
@@LordComradeAnarchoCapitalus You would need to actually read the Holy Bible to have a fair interpretation.
@LordComradeAnarchoCapitalus
@LordComradeAnarchoCapitalus 10 ай бұрын
@@averagewhiteguy2 Hellsing quotes the bible a lot
@averagewhiteguy2
@averagewhiteguy2 10 ай бұрын
@@LordComradeAnarchoCapitalus Bible quotes are common and easy to find. But many have not actually read the Bible and the context of them. The Japanese tend to use Christian imagery and themes simply because it's cool OR the Catholic church makes makes for a common enemy when taking place in certain types of stories. Those are typically the two reasons. But the Japanese typically don't have a good understanding of the material they are using when it comes to Christianity.
@LordComradeAnarchoCapitalus
@LordComradeAnarchoCapitalus 10 ай бұрын
@@averagewhiteguy2 Something as vague as the bible will have wildly different interpretations that aren't influenced by denominations of churches when done from a secular perspective. Have you seen Hellsing? The author of that knew things even I didn't know although I was raised christian. Also Maria Virgin Witch
@Konamalunu
@Konamalunu 10 ай бұрын
The last sentence killed me.
@TheAugustHail
@TheAugustHail 10 ай бұрын
Jane Doe unironically goes hard lol
@NoahsArchive357
@NoahsArchive357 10 ай бұрын
I was not expecting deep philosophical themes and conversations about religion from Maggot Baits, and yet- here we are. Sounds interesting! Too bad I'll never have the stomach to read something of this caliber lmao
@Quenlin
@Quenlin 10 ай бұрын
As messed up and horrific as this VN is, it's telling that one of the most common complaints is the excessive length of the H-scenes.
@retrogame1503
@retrogame1503 10 ай бұрын
YESSSSSSSS Finally maggots baits post. I really waiting for this after euphoria review
@erylaria398
@erylaria398 10 ай бұрын
You had me at "eroticized amputations" but now that we've moved to "catholic themed eroticized amputation" am DEAD SURE i need to read this xD
@TheAugustHail
@TheAugustHail 10 ай бұрын
The "catholic" part is important 👌 👏
@TDeck24
@TDeck24 10 ай бұрын
August Hail HATES monetization lol
@TheAugustHail
@TheAugustHail 10 ай бұрын
STILL GOING STRONG WITH THIS VIDEO 💪
@Peraliq
@Peraliq 8 ай бұрын
This is the only vn I had to take months to continue. The scene with the reporter and the one witch who gets put in the coffin is one of the worse things I’ve seen in anime media.
@no3ironman11100
@no3ironman11100 8 ай бұрын
Where'd you download it? asking for a friend.
@Peraliq
@Peraliq 6 ай бұрын
nyaa@@no3ironman11100
@Memefan-pc8jf
@Memefan-pc8jf 25 күн бұрын
​@@no3ironman11100f95zoneto
@Pinakiprime910
@Pinakiprime910 10 күн бұрын
​@@no3ironman11100try pirate bay
@Joe_Harrison
@Joe_Harrison 10 ай бұрын
0:26 ayo what
@Subject91121
@Subject91121 10 ай бұрын
Glad I found you through that Knuckles meme. Creators like you focusing on visual novels are sorely needed in KZbin. I hope you get as popular as Gigguk, bro!
@wakamoon1910
@wakamoon1910 10 ай бұрын
also if you want a VN that looks extremely dark and gruesome but is surprisingly very emotional and touching story, I think you should try out "eternal torment".
@ldragon2515
@ldragon2515 10 ай бұрын
Not to get all theological or religious on you guys, but having looked up a spoiler-filled synopsis on what the game says about Christianity, wow does it get pretty much everything wrong. Like, if it was just trying to use Christian symbols and imagery as a cool factor, that would be one thing, but no, it is trying to critique the whole religion, saying things like how Jesus’s sacrifice only led to a world filled with more suffering and the like, even misinterpreted why he asked why God had forsaken him on the cross. Not to mention it saying that Christ is the god of our world, which is again, false. The Bible says that the god of our world is the devil, and he is the one responsible for all the suffering in the world, which existed long before Jesus came to Earth to save it. Heck his suffering on the cross was not an act of despair and hatred towards us or the world, but rather him taking on all that so that we wouldn’t have to suffer instead. Man, this ended up being far longer than I meant to be. Just that I find this story’s attempt to be more than just a mindless piece of guro-schlock to be highly inaccurate.
@KhiemNguyen-ly1wz
@KhiemNguyen-ly1wz 10 ай бұрын
I doubt they actually intend it to be "Biblically accurate" if that even means anything. Christianity, though a lot of people don't want to see it that way, is basically mythology at this point. And there's a lot of ways to interpret myths. Cause really at the end of the day, there is no one accurate version. Not even the Bible
@ldragon2515
@ldragon2515 10 ай бұрын
@@KhiemNguyen-ly1wz It’s just that, for me at least, if you’re going to make a critique on Christianity, you’ve got to really understand what it is about and what the Bible says, not just have a surface level understanding of it. It’s one thing if it’s just for the coolness factor in terms of imagery and the like, and it’s another when you’re seriously attempting an analysis and criticism of it. Just me though.
@KhiemNguyen-ly1wz
@KhiemNguyen-ly1wz 10 ай бұрын
@@ldragon2515 "if you’re going to make a critique on Christianity, you’ve got to really understand what it is about and what the Bible says" See that's the thing. You're operating on the premise that the Bible is the one accurate or right version of the Christian mythology when it really isn't. It's no more right than the Prose Edda for Norse mythology. It's all just folk tales. There can be many versions of a story.
@user-or4ut2qi3q
@user-or4ut2qi3q 8 ай бұрын
​@@KhiemNguyen-ly1wz about a third of the world's population is Christian, so Christianity is not a dead "mythology" comparable to Norse mythology, and by the way, the main reason that Norse mythology died out is that its adherents were convinced by and converted to the true faith: Christianity. While there are multiple Christian sects, they all consider scripture (the Bible) to be sacred. If you are Catholic you also don't have to worry about interpretational disputes as the Catholic Church has preserved and clarified upon the meaning of the original teaching handed to humanity by Christ for 2000 years and shall continue to do so for the foreseeable future. Yeah, Christianity isn't going anywhere. It is very much a living faith (in fact the only truly living faith) Alleluia.
@KhiemNguyen-ly1wz
@KhiemNguyen-ly1wz 8 ай бұрын
@@user-or4ut2qi3q "Christianity isn't going anywhere". The rapid decline of church attendance would disagreed. Give it time. Time kills everything. Like it or not Christianity is still man made, and it is definitely not immune to being rendered obsolete like any other man made things
@tengu-9
@tengu-9 8 күн бұрын
I also *stomached* through this. Having guro tolerance is a curse....
@Nhadaly
@Nhadaly 10 ай бұрын
Age restricted in 3...2...1 Good video lmao
@TheAugustHail
@TheAugustHail 10 ай бұрын
STILL GOOD NOW 👍 👌
@matt87eagle
@matt87eagle 10 ай бұрын
Honestly, between Maggot Baits and Euphoria, I don’t know which is the most f’ed up game from Clock Up. I just know that I don’t have the stomach find out.
@kimmik3602
@kimmik3602 10 ай бұрын
Man, a was really waiting this video
@3fkups
@3fkups 7 ай бұрын
Just recently getting into visual novels and every time I hear about one of these cursed ones like Sadistic Blood , Gore Screaming Show and such my brain goes "challenge accepted!". Only place I found this one it was priced at $45 though so might wait for a sale.
@TalkingAboutGames
@TalkingAboutGames 10 ай бұрын
Life is only confusing when seen through ideological constructs; by itself, it is just terrifying 😂
@pixelchu
@pixelchu 10 ай бұрын
Coincidentally, I came across your channel because I just watched your Euphoria video lol. Interesting review, though I still don’t think I’ll give it a read lol
@jotarokujo312
@jotarokujo312 6 ай бұрын
This is such a good video! You deserve more subs!!
@rodrigocosta2365
@rodrigocosta2365 10 ай бұрын
Looks an awesome VN, but I fear in becoming desensitized for a lot of things like eroguro.
@souless4986
@souless4986 10 ай бұрын
yo good shit man i've recently stumbled on your channel and now you make me intrigued on some vn, thanks
@TheAugustHail
@TheAugustHail 10 ай бұрын
Thanks~! Hope you enjoy your stay!
@kennethha8173
@kennethha8173 10 ай бұрын
Bro is the gigguk of visual novels
@jonfitzpatrick9942
@jonfitzpatrick9942 10 ай бұрын
*Best John Wayne impressio* 'Worse than Euphoria?' Dems some big words, cowboy
@Vedhon
@Vedhon 6 ай бұрын
5:24 Well a big part of Chirstianity is free will, we were given free will to do what we want, and we will be either condemned or rewarded for it after death. As for violence and the like you shall not kill is pretty clear. God also condemned Abel to walk the earth for killing his brother. There is also no black and white and god acknowledges that, there are multiple instances in the bible of God giving blessings for something that has happened. Like Abraham's servant that was cast out was repaid in blessings. Things that were done out of circumstance were often excused etc. Well yea that's about what I have to say.
@alexanderC5673
@alexanderC5673 9 ай бұрын
Mad props as per usually for reading all these snusnu scenes you have the mental fortitude of a mountain munk!
@redlinrangerstudio5331
@redlinrangerstudio5331 6 ай бұрын
2:32 leave me alone lol
@DA-dn6hh
@DA-dn6hh 29 күн бұрын
Im only half way through the game and its way worse than euphoria, im afraid of whats to come the 2nd half
@akiine1
@akiine1 3 күн бұрын
what is it about?
@ambassadorofbadtaste
@ambassadorofbadtaste 4 ай бұрын
Japanese really know how to make the world upset, huh?
@osonhodeleon
@osonhodeleon 3 ай бұрын
Great review 😂.
@dafnev3643
@dafnev3643 4 ай бұрын
Not so fun fact but if you succeeded to finish the game you will know that muscle witch is the nun and her little companion is the little hijab girl
@caski1663
@caski1663 10 ай бұрын
damn, i might read this, it sounds interesting
@ThatGuy-en2nn
@ThatGuy-en2nn 10 ай бұрын
I can't do it but hats off to those that can.
@AoiUsagiOtoko
@AoiUsagiOtoko 10 ай бұрын
when i say i WEPT at the true ending, i am being completely sincere. the gore was fun to read, but the tragic interpersonal drama and lore stuff kept me fascinated til the very end. not to mention hamashima's amazing art and character designs, and knowing she had a hand in the game's writing too...she's an eroge MVP in my book also let it be known i am madly in love with sandy and that probably says a lot about me 😂 i know she's a villain but her design, personality and voice are so badass and cool. she makes my weirdo lesbian heart race lmfao. i love all of the witches but sandy is just so My Type i fell for her the moment i saw her
@mysmallnoman
@mysmallnoman 10 ай бұрын
I played all taimanin series games and other lilith games, a game like maggot bait or euphoria doesn't affect me anymore
@archduke0000
@archduke0000 10 ай бұрын
those aren't really a good comparison. Taimanin is dipping your toe in h-degeneracy
@TheAugustHail
@TheAugustHail 10 ай бұрын
Is Taimanin more tame? Never actually checked it out..
@archduke0000
@archduke0000 10 ай бұрын
@@TheAugustHail it's not tame in a general sense, but it's definitely more tame than Maggot Baits.
@mysmallnoman
@mysmallnoman 10 ай бұрын
@@archduke0000 not really lol, except like gore
@mysmallnoman
@mysmallnoman 10 ай бұрын
@@TheAugustHail in terms of gore, yes Everything else, no
@kanata1901
@kanata1901 10 ай бұрын
"90% of people out there will HATE reading through this" Does that make it enjoyable for the remaining 10% ? 😂 (Even though i doubt 10% is an accurate number in this case)
@ultrastormvalentine5483
@ultrastormvalentine5483 10 ай бұрын
I'd skip through the whole game just for the achievements, if there's a auto skip I'll hit it and leave the laptop in the dining room while I play on my console in the bedroom.
@Void_Yamero
@Void_Yamero 10 ай бұрын
Carol is epic
@ultrainstincthamza9766
@ultrainstincthamza9766 3 ай бұрын
Now talk about this happy little game called "fraternite"
@asukalangelysoryu
@asukalangelysoryu 7 ай бұрын
I love Clockup lmao
@mythicalskeleton1546
@mythicalskeleton1546 7 ай бұрын
If there isn't a hole one will be created
@Joe_Harrison
@Joe_Harrison 10 ай бұрын
This got the same amount as views as the previous video and this has been out for 2 days whereas the other was out 12 days
@ViNncentSmith
@ViNncentSmith 10 ай бұрын
we need an entire game about u as the heroine august 2:30
@TheAugustHail
@TheAugustHail 10 ай бұрын
I have a cute anime girl as a profile picture. Does that count?
@jwson199
@jwson199 5 ай бұрын
Clockup and hamashima shigeo always makes crazy eroge .. fraterinite eruphoria and this.. i like his character style but not story haha
@MikeRedead333
@MikeRedead333 10 ай бұрын
As long as they don't eat *S#¥T" in this novel i'm in.
@blacksaona
@blacksaona 10 ай бұрын
where can i download or buy it?
@marcoaledo7379
@marcoaledo7379 2 ай бұрын
You can buy it translated to English in MangaGamer. Otherwise you would have to look for it around the Internet under your own discretion
@kylerainermason7387
@kylerainermason7387 10 ай бұрын
Took me awhile to buckle down and read Euphoria. I’m not reading Maggot Baits. I really don’t like gore, torture, murder, or any other macabre theme you can think of. Currently playing Kara no Shoujo and I just want it to end (which I think I’m almost done with the game). I think that game is worse (in the gruesome aspect) than Euphoria is, but I’ll bet Maggot Baits makes Kara no Shoujo look like Sunday school, so I’ll just pass on it
@TheAugustHail
@TheAugustHail 10 ай бұрын
And that's totally fine!
@xDanilor
@xDanilor 10 ай бұрын
Same tbh. Euphoria was goddamn difficult to go through, I'm not gonna play something even worse. I fucking love Euphoria though, I genuinely think it's a great vn. This maggotbait doe, no thanks
@mangaming1942
@mangaming1942 10 ай бұрын
2:34 sauce?
@512lilirose
@512lilirose 10 ай бұрын
The opening is great
@DamperMoney
@DamperMoney 10 ай бұрын
So even the good ending is a slog to get through. 😂
@PinkNymphetamine22
@PinkNymphetamine22 10 ай бұрын
i still need to finish this novel but, and I'm aware this is weird to complain about in an eroge, the sex scenes are way too long....
@gamercstudios
@gamercstudios 7 ай бұрын
Me as Filipino otaku playing maggot baits for da first time: T A N G I N A . . . 😒 😒 😒
@whoareyoutoaccuseme6588
@whoareyoutoaccuseme6588 7 ай бұрын
Hina mo, pre.
@imfinishedgrinding638
@imfinishedgrinding638 5 ай бұрын
Di ko pa natapos kasi ang tanga ko inuna ko yung Monkey House Ending 😅
@whoareyoutoaccuseme6588
@whoareyoutoaccuseme6588 5 ай бұрын
@@imfinishedgrinding638 Yuck. Worse ending. Worth it siya para sa Ashes and Diamonds ending. Sobrang Peak.
@gamercstudios
@gamercstudios 5 ай бұрын
@@whoareyoutoaccuseme6588 alam mo naman na nalaro ko na yung euphoria pero pag sa maggot baits eh mas kadiri pa nga kaysa sa wrong turn 6 eh
@Ninjahankin
@Ninjahankin 10 ай бұрын
Whatever you do, dont do the monkey house ending 😢
@imfinishedgrinding638
@imfinishedgrinding638 5 ай бұрын
Too late. Didn't play for a week coz of it 😢
@luksalter8200
@luksalter8200 4 ай бұрын
The game is worth
@fwra1234
@fwra1234 10 ай бұрын
5:23 the last place i was expecting palestine to be mentioned
@definitelyhuman4510
@definitelyhuman4510 10 ай бұрын
Is the NTR avoidable?
@tdotitan8855
@tdotitan8855 10 ай бұрын
On one hand it seems like a bit much lol, but on the other hand i like the character designs of a couple characters and i like edgy stuff so we will see lmao. Maybe ill give this a try actually it seems fun lmao
@DonaldDuckPK
@DonaldDuckPK 10 ай бұрын
Really loved the aesthetic of the game, too bad my favorite Wilma got underdeveloped as hell.
@Aryan-de9jw
@Aryan-de9jw 10 ай бұрын
I love this. 😊
@enzokenzakifunniestvideos299
@enzokenzakifunniestvideos299 10 ай бұрын
August Hail please Review My Klutzy Cupid Day 12 requesting
@klyburn4115
@klyburn4115 10 ай бұрын
we need go DEEPA !!!
@murlocshamab7308
@murlocshamab7308 10 ай бұрын
I LOVE YOU I LOVE YOUUU
@nauchx
@nauchx 10 ай бұрын
2:32 💀💀💀
@enzokenzakifunniestvideos299
@enzokenzakifunniestvideos299 10 ай бұрын
2:31 😂😂😂😂😂 hahahahahaha
@lLucaDGV
@lLucaDGV 10 ай бұрын
Dont need to convince us to believe its good. Its from Clock up, we know its good :)
@r3nvoid
@r3nvoid 10 ай бұрын
Wow
@vencano5939
@vencano5939 10 ай бұрын
Hmmmm interesting
@vividdream9478
@vividdream9478 10 ай бұрын
sounds like a kino eroge
@RFX01
@RFX01 10 ай бұрын
Vanilla H-Scenes are lame, change my mind. Here's some money to encourage degenerate content.
@TheAugustHail
@TheAugustHail 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for the support! I'll do my best for the next uploads lol
@aqualucasYT
@aqualucasYT 10 ай бұрын
I SPOTTED VICINEKO 🫵
@TheAugustHail
@TheAugustHail 10 ай бұрын
Lol the rare callout. Still waiting for that 10 minute movie haha
@keisuketakatou
@keisuketakatou 10 ай бұрын
People are too biased about this visual novel. I've read many of the 'best visual novels you should read before you die' But only Maggot Baits has left this mark of beautiful sorrow on me. even that no one wants to talk about it. It is my favourite and not only because I can enjoy the H contentent in it. Even that it's like 80% of the time, It has so much more with all these existencial worrying of some witches as Wilma, books it refers to, inexplicably attractive atmosphere of evil Kanto's pandemonium night city. Carol and Shougo are very lovely couple too. Also the twisted love of Simon to Yaldabaoth captured me. The Red Harvest ending and it's theme song are most beautifull thing I've seen in a vn. Whole ost is great to me. I hope there still people on this video, who somehow likes this vn just like I do. Have a nice day!
@TheAugustHail
@TheAugustHail 10 ай бұрын
Surprisingly more people are positive about Maggot Baits than I would have expected. Which is you know the typical gut reaction
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