Major Design Problems - FireMaple Star X2 Stove First Look

[@TheOutdoorGearReview]

Update : After my initial testing of this stove, I reached out to FireMaple and they stated that it was defective. From there they sent me a new one but after some testing the performance is exactly the same. In comparison to the Jetboil Minimo stove, the Minimo is faster at all types of boiling and rated for 1,500 BTU's less than the FireMaple. Interesting! Also, the Jetboil is much more fuel efficient. I've shared my thoughts concerning this stove with FM and how they can improve it via some design changes and it is now up to them. With the FM Sunflower stove/Heater that I shared a few months back, FM has stated that they will be improving the design of that product as well as it has some flaws. - Luke

[@АлександрИванов-ю2ф8й]

You reached out Fire Maple, received new stove and made retest in 3 hours? Bravo, such incredible speed

[@crankshaft007]

@@АлександрИванов-ю2ф8йclearly your clueless, do you have any idea how long a video like this takes to produce and edit? Clearly not,

[@Imme...1]

He teleports the stove he got story's makes great content boo send me.your firemaples I really love to see for my self ty. I'm me

[@pitcheung5354]

​@user-jj5bj6im8g the weather is different from last video😅He usually test the gear for months

[@nodescriptionavailable3842]

Plus, knock offs are knock offs, all though they have their place it’s a sketchy product off the bat, in my mind.

[@jeremymanning2132]

Good informative video but i do have a question. I'm a wild camper with 50+ years experience with stoves and equipment. What is the modern obsession with time when it comes to boiling water? In my time camping i have never once thought of a stove as bad because it took a while to boil water, in fact, if i had, i would never use my spirit stove again but in fact it's my favourite. Surely if a stove is well made and gets the job done then that is the important thing? I guess its a symptom of this social media age where the equipment becomes more important than the activity. If you're like me, then the scenery, wildlife and solitude is much more important than a few minutes of waiting.

[@steveturner3999]

I think the obsession is with fuel usage for an equivalent boil. If I was an ultralight distance hiker that might be an issue. For normal camping I don’t see the problem. It may be a wash with money saved on the stove being used to buy more fuel. Need more than two tests for sure.

[@AuntMaryNC]

Agree 100%. My only thought would be fuel consumption. If you enjoy using a stove like this, you might need to be prepared to have more fuel on hand, so the cost of use is higher even though the price of the stove is lower.

[@Oldmandoom95]

You're missing the point old timer. The reason people are more interested in fast boil times is because it means that less fuel is being used and the stove is more efficient. If you have to keep a stove on for longer, you're going through more fuel. Meaning that you'll need to pack extra canisters for longer trips, which means more weight in your pack.

[@jeremymanning2132]

@@steveturner3999 I think you are right but if i were going ultralight i wouldnt be choosing that set-up anyway. Maybe I'm just an old dinosaur but sometimes i watch these review videos and ask myself how on earth did i survive with my old primus stove etc. We had to make do with whatever kit we could find locally, which was pretty basic. But somehow it all added to the adventure.

[@steveturner3999]

@@jeremymanning2132 We carried whatever was available and affordable. The pack weighed whatever it weighed when we were through loading everything. I wonder if some of these youngsters could have hung with us back in the day! LOL!

[@Cletus57]

I've owned the x2 for around a year now. So far it's been great for coffie, breakfast and cooking brats. Boiling two cups of water , around 2 mins . So for one person have nothing to complain about. It just works.

[@CrombatRations]

of course it works, it's been out for years and 99% of users never had complaints

[@neosean9984]

I'm getting on average around 3.5 min for a liter boil. I love this thing. It does exactly what I needed. Shaving a minute or two does not make or break my day ;)

[@jordanfoxwell1110]

Do you cook bacon and that on it

[@gud2go50]

The pot stand was meant for cooking ie a frying pan! If you want to boil water, use the pot that is provided.

[@aledlewis656]

Exactly

[@MIAMIC70]

100%! What a boneheaded move.

[@johngalt6929]

Duh!

[@Funkteon]

Agreed... The distance between the burner and the bottom of a frying pan when using that attachment is perfect, as it means that the burner doesn't cause a small hot spot in the middle of the frying pan and the heat spreads more evenly...

[@MstrRo]

I can see your point depending on the frypan material (SS or Ti or aluminum) and the heat pattern gained by the raised height, but with an aluminum pan, which is not as prone to hotspots, why not just reduce the intensity of the heat with the gas adjustment control?

[@kristinhiner3221]

Hi Luke! I was excited to see you review something that I owned. I am concerned that maybe the X3 however is a bad model. I have the X2 that I bought in 2021. After watching your review, I couldn't help but think, "does mine really take 6 min to boil?" So, I just went and grabbed it. It's roughly 37°F where I live in KS. Started with very cold water, warm canister... it only took me 2½ min to boil .5L of water in the provided pot. This may be longer than Jetboil, but for the price ($70 then and now on Amazon) that's worth it to me. I'm thinking that it's probably not fair to condemn all of the models based off of your review of one of them. I love your channel and watching your adventures! Thanks for your time.

[@misscdog]

Also,he did not use the firemaple pot. He used something else that did not fit inside the wind screen. That may be the difference.

[@tommo9757]

Ive used both genuine jet boils and jetboil knockoffs, and I find the performance difference is negligible. Is the extra 30 seconds to get to the boil worth 100 dollars - not for what I use it for! This is the crux of the matter - does it do what you need it to or are you just buying a Jetboil for bragging rights ...?

[@TalonVI]

I have a Jetboil from pretty early on and it still works great. Now if it fails me would I replace it with this stove? Yeah probably. Saving $100 is pretty huge and I'm not that impatient where waiting 6 minutes for my freeze dried meal to be ready vs 3 minutes is that big of a deal.

[@jeffreyedmudson8577]

Save longer, get a jetboil, no problem. You get what you pay for

[@sam18a]

Bro i have loved your channel for years and never find you to "sensationalise" your reviews, however i think you were a hard on poor FM here. Even if you throw the poorly designed stand away the kit for those not able to pay for a "better" performance from jetboil or msr will still get a great inexpensive alternative to boil water to make drinks and reheat and rehydrate. I feel your " if ya only want to boil water, ya could make it work" comment, may stop people buying what huge numbers of people all over the world see as a very acceptable if inferior product for a fraction of the price. Take a look at the FM polaris i think you would rate it highly. I know ya wont mind a little constructive input, you are still at the top off what youbdo and how you do it, respect sir, God bless, 🙏 ( sam, Belfast Northern Ireland)

[@kellywalsh30]

Wellll hedoes come across as cocky at times so probably

[@veganpotterthevegan]

​@@sam18a so you're his only subscriber?

[@markdrain3191]

I commented once already, but actually tested my Fire Maple just a short hour ago outside at 32 degrees F. Boiled two cups water for instant coffee which comes to 12oz in just under two minutes, close enough to say two minutes. Just cold, not as windy as when you tested yours. Then boiled two cups water at 16oz for some noodles. That did take longer at 2.5 to 3 minutes, and in the short time seen the fuel was already being effected by the temperature. I'm sure it's not the best, but the best for what I need. Good review giving someone something to think about. Look forward to more reviews, and some Winter camping ones since I find I hate the cold. Keep safe.

[@murda2999]

For the next video, try having the two stoves side-by-side so we can see the difference in the fins. Do a boil test of the two stoves too!

[@ito2791]

I had JUST seen an advert for the X2 on Facebook, went to Amazon, found it, and put it on my wish list. Then I went to KZbin to watch reviews, and yours was the first video I watched. Thanks for doing the legwork, and sharing! Saved me money, time, and effort.

[@phamers55]

Maybe you should watch other reviews as well and base your judgement on that than just on only one review. Other people here in the comments have the same stove with zero complaints.

[@garth8979]

The pot stand works well with a frying pan. Try frying some bacon and eggs instead.

[@snowcelt]

This! I guess the height of the stand helps to regulate the heat against a frying pan or pot for frying or reheating food, which would just burn if closer to the burner jet. Or the model reviewed is defective.

[@naturebyfrank]

I agree. The stand is for a pan.

[@thomasmusso1147]

👍

[@txhookey5608]

When you find an issue that can easily be resolved, you focus on it. The pan support doesn't have to be used to boil water. Your negative comments are exaggerated and the only issue was the one that you created.

[@johnb-us6bf]

If you have to resolve an issue or aka Gerry-rig it to bypass something proves his point!! I am sure we can all take a crappy product or a defective product and make it work. As far as exaggerating the issue "HE" is clearly pointing out a possible problem. Sounds like you might be on your knees for this company hence why you sound a bit butt hurt trying to prove him wrong or discredit him.. LOL Simple, buy the product or don't buy the product no one cares!! But try not to sound like a TROLL!!

[@wavemakersdj]

How did he create that issue at all? Setting a pot on a support that's built to do that and having it fail isn't his issue.....that's the product.

[@chado_outdoors]

I have this stove and it works amazingly. Far better than what you're claiming 😂 I'll time it myself and prove you're wrong

[@davidweidemann7275]

agreed!

[@WardenWolf]

Maybe it just didn't like the specific formulation of gas he was using. Also the fact that it's been cold as hell in Virginia lately, which is known to affect the performance of canister stoves. I suspect it may have been too cold to use that stove effectively without an inverted canister.

[@les3449]

@@WardenWolfLuke is in North Carolina and said the temp was in the 50s with no wind.

[@gordr8024]

@@les3449you can’t always believe a media creator, and it is the internet after all, could be getting paid from there competitors,

[@marcomcdowell8861]

Meh, I don't need immediate hot water. Can't imagine needing a boil within 2 minutes. My electric kettle does that. Pretty sure the pot was designed for the stove for boiling. That adapter is for frying pans.

[@coolbreezeoutdoors7177]

If you want your igniter to work, don’t turn it on full blast! Just a little at a time until it lights.

[@cort3079]

I have the Firemaple Polaris model of this Jetboil knockoff. The Polaris has a regulated stove. I've never had a problem with mine. The pot support of the Polaris is much shorter, keeping your pot very close to the flame. I don't think their products are bad, but after owning some higher-end stoves, I won't go back to cheaper stuff unless I'm confident that it will perform well. Anyone looking for a less expensive Jetboil alternative should look at the Bulin BL100-B15 stove and 1.5 liter pot combo. It has several video reviews here on KZbin. I just bought that setup and it is far better than the Firemaple. In the reviews of the Bulin system, people are boiling 1 liter of water in less than 2 minutes. It is also way better for using your own large pots and skillets. Highly recommend you check it out!

[@Radrider71]

2nd that on the Polaris model. Boiled full container, over 1 liter ,in about 3-4 min in 35 Deg ambient temperature with 12 mph winds. I have zero complaints

[@littlerube8358]

Guess I'll get the Polaris and try it out

[@ricardoneto7789]

I have the Polaris also . Great stove with its regulated gas output . Got the Bulin Bl100 B15. Great stove as well👍

[@YourOwlOne]

Just ordered a Polaris. Can't wait for it to be delivered.

[@jonathanfarrell]

I'm in the UK and I have a near identical stove from a store called Go Outdoors (also available on Amazon). It's called the OEX Tacana. It's great for boiling water in the pot provided. When I tried to reheat a chilli I brought from home in a different pan it took a long while. So not only did my experience match your findings but you've explained to me the problem. Great video, really informative. Thanks so much.

[@neemancallender9092]

there are many online excellent reviews of this stove setup i am quite surprised by your review it seems to be the exception to all the others

[@williamsovich8314]

You can’t always trust online reviews as many are generated by bots or otherwise written/paid for be the company. This is an issue on company websites and sites such as Amazon. Also many companies will remove negative reviews.

[@evgeniydeus8137]

@@williamsovich8314It's the same with videobloggers. I wouldn't trust this review until I try the product myself. But I know many experienced hikers who use Firemaple products and are happy with them. All the while just the word "Jetboil" I haven't heard for a few years.

[@OutLan]

I have had one for over a year and it works fine for me. Granted, I usually use the included pot and not the raised accessory. You might want to get another model and give it a comparison.

[@thathikingguy]

Hey Luke, I have the X3 and I really have not had any issues with it. The pot stand works great with their non stick skillet and I have made many meals that way. The fact that they include the pot stand is great because that is a separate purchase from Jetboil. I had many issues with the Jetboil stash that is why I sought this one out. I actually burned the top of my hand with the stash due to its lid coming off during a pour. Also, the boil times are subjective in my opinion because some folks don’t mind to wait. Again these, are just my opinions but you did ask us to comment. I am not saying this one is the best in the world, but I think I have lower expectations about it. LOL Great first view though

[@RandomlyAdventuring]

Hi, What is it like for cooking fresh meat? I am confused as to what one to get! Thank you

[@thathikingguy]

@@RandomlyAdventuring I’ve made a few ribeyes on it with a small frying pan and it does very well.

[@ZepHezR]

I also don't mind the wait. I find that the isobutane fuel seems to last a long time, I used a small can for an entire season and it's still got some juice. EDIT: I have the X3

[@robz4825]

Yeah, people get crazy with these wait times for water to boil. Thats the hole reason I camp. I have no time constraints. @@ZepHezR

[@TheMrJuhis]

I've had the same issue with stash lid detaching from the kettle. I contacted my local jetboil retailer for warranty and they sent me the minimo lid. I cut lil plastic parts off so it would fit and it won't come off after boilinh or pouring. I like the stash pot so i often use it with soto windmaster stove.

[@MIAMIC70]

Bullshit! I’ve had a FireMaple stove for 3+ years never fails to do the job and boiling water has never taken over 3mins. I paid all of $60.00 for FireMaple, JetBoils are overpriced pieces of crap.

[@jeffgalpin3153]

Luke love your videos, I have one of the very small firemaple stoves but haven't used it enough to say if its good. I would venture to say testing a stove is far more than boil time. Maybe run the stove on a full small canister at full blast until empty so we can see run time giving us a better idea of efficiency. I would also prefer to see if the stove has good adjustability or just boils water. Thanks for all you do.

[@beamer6136]

Hey Luke, thanks for the review. But I can’t understand why everybody’s in such a hurry to boil water. When I’m out in the woods, I’m out to relax and take my time and be laid-back, so it doesn’t matter how long it takes for water to boil for me. But you get what you pay for

[@Im_With_Stupid]

It's a crude measure of fuel efficiency. The longer it takes to boil water, the more fuel it's burning to do it. That's why people care about it. Thing is, these stoves are notoriously poor performers in cold weather, regardless of who makes them. It was pretty cold that day if his choice of clothing is any indication and his water was probably cold, too, so a boil test in those conditions isn't going to match the factory test that's done in ideal conditions. He really ought to take it in the house and let it warm up and not try to boil ice cold water with it. The results will probably be much better.

[@steveturner3999]

Got my Jetboil Flash on clearance at Field & Stream for $49.95 several years ago. Always wanted one but couldn’t justify the price till it was on clearance. Crazy thing is it was back on the shelf at the full price two weeks later. Never had an issue with it. I bought the Fire Maple Saturn stove after seeing you use it in a previous video. I wanted a portable yet larger stove and so far it has been absolutely fantastic. No issues whatsoever. I have several small cheap stoves and so far none have actually given me any problems. I don’t use them weekly so they’re not overused for sure. I understand time and fuel conservation are big issues but it seems like the build quality of this stove is very well worth the price. I’d be curious to see what Fire Maple says.

[@macs2015]

I used my fire maple stove multiple times. Even at 34f and it boiled my water quickly without issues. At the price offered. There’s absolutely nothing the jetboil has on it.

[@Frogboxer]

The figures refer to boiling water using the provided pot with the heat exchanger. The height of the adaptor is likely to allow the heat to spread more evenly across a frying pan for which it is intended.

[@dennismckee6017]

Mt X2 has performed fantastically. I use it almost weekly. I have to loose-fitting slightly after screwing the fuel canister on all the way. Otherwise, it is checking itself.

[@joyce9275]

I have orange X2 and it takes around 2.5 mins to boil 0.5l water...why not take out the jetboil and test them together under same condition, more objective right??

[@marcomcdowell8861]

Can't figure out why he didn't use the pot that was designed for it instead of a kettle. Pretty sure that's why his times were off. He even talked about the heat sink in the beginning.

[@dustinfrost5214]

​@@marcomcdowell8861 hes just an idiot 😂😂

[@fairwind8222]

My glass is half full. I like the pot rest for cooking eggs

[@shrades]

I have one of these stove and have had it for a while. I have a recurring and random problem with it: Occasionally, when I screw on a fuel canister, the fuel will not feed into the stove. It's like something is clogged. I can swap fuel canisters and it may or may not happen again. I've cleaned it out and ensured there is no dirt or debris in the mating mechanisms but the problem randomly persists. Needless to say I don't use it because it just isn't reliable. My use case is for this stove - or it's replacement - to allow me to make a cup of coffee or a small meal when I'm out riding an electric unicycle. That, only to say: I would have used it at least twice a week and only to boil water but it was never reliable enough. Thanks for the review, it somewhat confirms that my stove's problem isn't me.

[@billybunting6913]

That is what I was thinking, something was wrong with your stove, I have been using one for about six months and I can boil water in 1.5 minutes.. let us know if you retest it.. love your videos

[@danielcarter305]

I think I would purchase the Firemaple rather then a Jetboil. Cooking times are really not something I care too much about. I still use my grandfathers 80 year old Coleman 3 burner stove while camping, and I know that that thing sucks in the BTU department.

[@thomasmusso1147]

This one gets a thumbs down 👎 .. I think that Luke has missed the bus on this one. 'Effective' vs 'Efficient' .. two completely different ball games. Gas Consumption per Boil is an important consideration and at times, this is lost on the Speed Freaks. The Pot Stand is designed for a completely different application .. Cooking! One needs a different 'type of heat' in this case. Figure it out! Also, factor in the price of the additions to the Jetboil to bring it up to the standard Fire Maple Spec and then compare prices. Then ('if' the Jetboil is proven to be more gas-efficient .. NOT to be confused with 'effective') calculate how many gas cartridges will have to be bought and used to offset the price difference and over what time period. Similar to the fools who bought diesel-powered automobiles 'in order to save on fuel' (and there are many who had / have this in mind). Factor in the difference in price petrol vs diesel .. fuel consumption .. shorter service intervals and much higher repair costs for diesels, especially in the case of small capacity engines. A study by a respected Automotive Association showed that the average motorist, doing a 'standard average' number of kilometers per annum, would have to keep, run and service the vehicle for a ridiculous number of years (something like 50 years if I recall correctly) in order to offset the purchase price and service costs. Some saving! I run my Gas Cooker on a lower, but sufficient to do the job, heat setting when boiling water. Yes, it takes me a little longer to get the boil, but my gas cartridge lasts longer per number of boils doing it this way. I'm not into the 'how fast / how light / the latest / most innovative / whatever, King of the Mountain' Game. My gear is robust and does the job. Is what I could then / can now afford and is paid for. Probably not the lightest, but if it is needed on the outing, it goes with. Too heavy for my liking? Ajust accordingly or live with it.

[@phamers55]

He is repeatedly missing the bus in other reviews as well. I agree that boiling experiment on the pot stove in this review was ridiculous.

[@Junkyardbuilds]

I'm just curious Do a side by side comparison

[@harduphiker]

I have a Fire Maple 1Lt XK6 pot - apart from the lid slightly melting (I was aware the silicone can melt), it's performed really well.

[@kauboy9816]

The title of this video changed while I was watching it. Originally, this was referred to as a "disaster". I guess that was a bit overstated. No disaster occurred. It just performed poorly. I would hardly call this "the worst", since one stove on this channel was tested and shown to be a major fire hazard.

[@johngalt6929]

If you mean the wood stove, it is now an Amazon Choice with a 4.3/5.0 rating. Luke doesn't have the influence he thinks he has. LOL

[@budguidry9123]

Gotta be drama

[@kauboy9816]

@@johngalt6929 That was likely the one. Hot embers falling out of the stove everywhere.

[@Imme...1]

Fire maple is great for price and no reason to over pay for things fire maple going.fours years and counting here 😊

[@MstrRo]

You do a good job. Suzzie does too. To test a system for comparison with specifications, it should be tested in a similar manner. Granted "real world" testing will be different but if you are going go compare items, it would be good to use the same conditions for all of the systems being tested.

[@markswishereatsstuff2500]

I use their FMS 300T tiny stove and love it. Inexpensive and fits into a Toaks 750 pot with fuel, stand and little pot holder made from a 2.5x2.5" piece of leather. I have a Jetboil, but doesn't fit into my ultralight regime right now.

[@JamesMears76]

I have the same x2 stove and it works perfectly. The pot stand is for a frying pan, it cooks really well.

[@PauloHaas]

I have used mine in altitudes over 15000ft (Andes) for two years. The flame will be put down depending on the wind, but overall the boiling times where adequate. For the price I did consider a good choice at the time, but I will try to compare it with something else to make sure I am not carrying too much extra fuel without a need

[@carrievornkahl6442]

I see a lot of comments that its not for boiling water, or you should use a pan. I understand that your test is boiling water. This way you are testing the exact same thing. I completely support your way of testing. Maybe some people are fine with saving money and it taking a little longer to cook. But your tests would be off if you tried using the stoves in different ways. Keep on doing what you are doing!

[@nodescriptionavailable3842]

Suzy’s igniter, try bending the contact closer or farther from the burner, fixed mine like that 18 yrs ago, no problems since. It just got slightly bent somehow and I guess it’s a precise alignment lol

[@DerekMellottphoto]

I can't believe you cut the test short without getting the number, just because you don't like a data point is not a reason to ignore it.

[@tiggertrailtails3112]

been using an older fire maple set up for the last few years on all my adventures and never had issues and can boil water in less 2 minutes. and you need take in the consideration the thickness of your pot and if its a light weight pot. its never taken more then 2 minutes for me to boil or cook food on a pan. i feel it is worth it and rather spend 60 bucks then 180 bucks. but opinion may very

[@joshcavanaugh4360]

I have a similar model. It has been stellar for the past year plus. I have not timed the boil to make my tea at camp, but as a seasoned moto camper, I think you got a bad model. A few friends that I often camp with have various stoves and one has a Jet boil. We often start making our morning drinks at the same time and I never felt I was waiting longer than them for it to boil. Interested to hear your follow up as well as from Fire Maple. Thanks for testing and reviewing so many products.

[@kenneth6731]

I have the X1. It's really fast and I have no complaints. Glad I didn't get the X2 though ! Thank you TOGR!

[@vicfanwi]

I was going to say I have no issue with my Fire maple StarX2, and it boils water in about a minute!! Thank goodness you asked them and they stated it must be defective.

[@TheCaveman71]

I have a near identical stove, the Companion Pro Nano X2, and it boils that amount of water in two minutes. I'm not sure why yours takes so long. A lot of reviews of these stoves I've seen online get far quicker boil times.

[@markdrain3191]

I just got the X3 limited edition tiger one at .8L. I wanted the wider one which the .8L was still holds 1 litter if you fill it past the lines. But did bring to a boil 3 cups of water in 3 minutes was trying it on a noodle soup double pack cup of soup for a test. Now on a table inside not outside, but found it to get very hot, I didn't feel like I wanted to take it over medium low. Seemed to put out a lot of heat from the bottom vents. Worked for me good, but would say under good conditions. I don't think I'll be taking it out in more harsh conditions. I remember some saying when the first one came out about it melting, some catching fire on the covering of them on the first models. Works for me for my use, though would have liked to see this review before, still for the sale price I got it at buying the orange lantern after your video review of it. Got a good sale price for the one I got. Did watch other reviews on it that said it was good. I bet it is good under the right conditions, but out in the open not in a tent or other wind limiting conditions maybe not so much. Figured as much with that pan adapter piece, all say about an inch is ideal distance. Good review look forward to the more testing you do.

[@SnowyAspenHills]

A SOTO Amicus and an HE pot ( mine is from Widesea) will accomplish this in a about a third of the time. More flexible and way better quality.

[@stoneyhughes338]

I use a Soto Windmaster and a Olicamp XTS pot. I use the 4 prong pot rest, but will likely swap to the 3 prong. I should be able to slip the 3 prong pot rest inside the heat exchanger fins to lock the system in better. It’s not a perfect system, but it’s half the cost of a jetboil, and it does boil faster and use less fuel. The lid needs a small handle on top to make it easier to remove when water gets to a boil.

[@minuoma1000]

I've owned X2 for two year's now and done countless trips with it, never have had any problems and definitely better value for money than jetboil. Never tried to boil water with that stove top, but works great for frying pan. Water boils very fast with the pot. Quality of it has been good. I do admit that jetboil can be a little more efficient and faster. But there are few jetboil in my camping group and in real use, I don't really see that big of difference.

[@phamers55]

He did not test this thing very well in my opinion. I don't see why you should boil water in a kettle when there is a pot available? That stove top is probably, as you mentioned, meant for a frying pan. A Jetboil is 2 times the price of this and has a defective ignition system, great quality.

[@crazyhorsejohnny1974]

I’ve got the same one and I have no problems boiling water in a reasonable time. It takes about 20 to 30 seconds longer than my buddy’s jetboil. With the huge price difference for me that’s a “win”. Also why would you use a kettle to boil water when you have the pot ? In my opinion the pot stand is for use with a frying pan in which it works very well. I think you struck out with this review. I would have liked to see a side by side comparison with a jetboil using the same fuel before saying don’t buy this stove. Just saying the jetboil is way better doesn’t cut it. Your channel is a gear review channel you should take the time to do it right.

[@richschwartz8004]

I have the X1 and it's off by 30- 45 seconds depending on the weather conditions. Maybe there is an issue with the one you have? Too bad the one you have didn't come close to what was advertised. God bless and stay safe.

[@thanatoslrsd]

My Firemaple Star X2 performs very well. Maybe there are some consistency issues?? I like mine and plan on continuing to use it.Maybe their quality control can improve.

[@montanashooter8125]

I have an original jet boil and it works great hopefully they get their quality back

[@TestSpaceMonkey]

Picked up the Star X1 a few months back and did a boil test right away. Got .5l of cool tap water (59F) to a rolling boil on a cool afternoon in about 1:35. Weighed the canister before and after too and got about 5g difference. Spec sheet that came with the stove says .5l in 1:42 at 68F ambient using 4.5g fuel. Maybe mine's from the good pile or the Monday morning crew.😋 Unfortunately can't speak to extended field use or durability.

[@cpwatching5647]

I have a Jetboil for 15 years. Still works perfect and rocks. Not good in very cold temps but that is a function of the fuel. For super cold I use the MSR Dragon fly on white gas.

[@paulpanel6301]

I have a Jetboil with the pot support. It must be the original Jet Boil because I purchased it approximately 15 years ago for under $50.00 and I love it. it does not have a piezo igniter and the fuel adjuster is just a small black plastic knob but it still works great and from my understanding there is a lifetime warranty.

[@davepoidvin2364]

Hello Luke. I have a FireMaple and like it. I have suggested it to others as I found it to be very well made. But, I have a preference for the Soto stoves that you have reviewed, and your reviews have convinced me that Soto is a superior product. Thank you for the great reviews, and keep well. Dave & The Girls

[@johngalt6929]

So many videos lately are overly dramatic and seem very forced and contentious. A guy who can't even cook, trying to be the "expert", will tend to look like that.

[@flatbroke68]

I am a long time viewer of your channel but I’m beginning to question your ability to do proper reviews of items. I have a lot of the items that you review and there have been many that you are wayyyyyyyy off base on. Then you trash the product and the company. You have a large following and are misleading them. Some of the things I see you saying don’t work or is dangerous etc, you totally didn’t even use the product correctly. Get it together man!! A lot of these people take you at your word.

[@johngalt6929]

After ten years with this channel, I'm seeing the same things.

[@U2heartnsoul]

I purchased the FM Fixed-Star X2 about a month ago. Tested it out at home, to make sure everything was working properly. I didn't time the water boiling , but it seemed reasonable. I used it 2 weeks ago, on my first winter camp of the year, with temperature in the 20s. It seemed to work fine at that time, as well. Since watching your video, I wanted to see if there was something I was missing, since you gave it such a poor review. I did a timed boil test indoors : 2:20 to bring .5 liters to a rolling boil. Not a real field assessment, but still reasonable. Next test was outdoors, at a temperature of about 40°. This time it took about 3:05, for .5 liters. True, it didn't perform to the specs listed of 1:42, but as we know, there's a lot of variables and probably rated using ideal conditions (and inflated specs). I agree with others who say that the pot stand is more for cooking eggs or other foods with a pan. Not really fair to compare boiling with a pot on top, as that's not the intended use. Overall, I'm very happy with mine. I know the higher end gear will bring better results, but for the price point and what it accomplished, I'm satisfied. I love your reviews, but with this one I'm on the other side of the fence, lol.

[@brians7727]

This review actually makes it more likely I'll try this stove. Good performance for the price imo....if used properly.

[@jockspice]

I've had my X2 for 3 years, have had it out in some really bad weather and it works fine. Not the fastest by any means but 500ml in about 3 to 4 minutes is quick enough for me. Works very well with the pan stand but I did find heat was concentrated in the middle so there was a bit of warping, which I solved with a ridged base pan.

[@JasonLiddle-tw3hd]

Hi Luke, I've had the X2 for a couple of years but only used it to boil water for which it worked fine. I've never timed it or used the pot stand. It would be a better comparison to see side by side against a jet boil but also testing out the additional jet boil pot stand which I believe is an option that has to be purchased separately whilst the firemaples is included. What are your thoughts on this for further testing?

[@travisp32]

I’ve had decent luck with my fire maple items. Pots and pans though. I do have a camp chef Stryker which looks to be made by fire maple. I only use for boiling water and it works very well using the pot it came with. It also came with a propane adapter and stand. No pot stand however. It was around $55 on sale at my local variety store.

[@lenamelv]

I have had the x2 for a few years, and mine boils the water in about 2 minutes. Happy with it, but I use a mini stove more often because it takes up a lot of space..

[@dougblalock5175]

Interesting, can’t remember the model number I have but I’ve had amazing success with mine. Little over 3 minutes to boil 2 cups. Great review as always.

[@lauraweiss7875]

I’ve been using my Jetboil minimo for over 7 years, and I love it. My backpacking partner carries an MSR pocket rocket, which is also a great stove. Our experience has been that there are advantages to the JetBoil system and advantages to the MSR, depending on temp, wind conditions and what we are cooking. I’ve never found cheap knockoffs to be anywhere as good as the brand name equivalents of either design.

[@davegoodridge8352]

I don't have a dog in this fight. They're all too expensive! I use a cheap $10 Walmart stove.

[@dirtsmiles8098]

Seems the pot stand isn’t meant for boiling water. How would it do cooking pancakes or eggs? A more dissipated heat seems useful for a fry pan or simmering.

[@peterc5167]

After seeing the comments from owners of this stove, I would certainly own one. Due to wider reactions rather than this apparent review. Objectively, no reason why jet boil should be so expensive, when the fire maple has more to it and presumably also makes a profit. Both manufactured in China. Whilst you may not be able to use pure propane, expect you could use an isobutane propane blend, as per jet boil and most camping gas supplies. This has a higher calorific value than isobutane alone.

[@PlayaSinNombre]

Will the plastic handles catch fire? 🤔

[@jparker4293]

I have the Star x1. I enjoyed it so much I bought a second one. both times I only paid $45, but only got the stove, pot and a bowl. I have never used a Jetboil so I don't have anything similar to compare it to. It works better than a cook pot and the generic folding stove. So I am happy with it.

[@c.a.g.1977]

This channel is just so awesome. Love the way Luke and Suzy make their videos. You guys rock!

[@ne130dy]

I bought the fire maple Saturn based on your review. I love that thing. I use it as my main burner now. 😊

[@jaysonjones5527]

Just remember, some people enjoy cooking real food. You should include frying an egg in your stove reviews. 😊

[@SnowyAspenHills]

But the main purpose of this sort of design is to boil water.

[@jaysonjones5527]

@@SnowyAspenHills I understand most people now couldn't feed themselves without fast food, and with their cooking skills only manage to boil water with a little luck. I'm not opposed to boiling water for my coffee, but that is only part of a well rounded burner.

[@tommo9757]

​@@jaysonjones5527so what's a "well rounded burner"? Four gas rings and a 50 litre gas bottle? It's horses for courses, and this stove should really be used for boil in the bag type meals.

[@BillWalker3rd]

@@jaysonjones5527As pointed out this stove is marketed to boil water quickly and efficiently only. Some of the similar stoves actually have disclaimers that they are not intended to cook food. FWIW they started as backpacking “stoves” to use with dehydrated meals or MRE’s.

[@earlgrey691]

Excellent point.Maybe you yanks are just too deep into the coffee groove and want it in seconds ?

[@T5Zplayer]

I have one of the original JetBoils but bought the Firemaple as a back up. The bloody JetBoil keeps going. So for backpacking I still use the JetBoil for overnighters and a Primus kit for longer trips. I always carry a small spirit stove as a back up. I have used the FireMaple for day fishing trips for brew ups and works fine. Not overly bothered about time to boil and is generally down to the temperature of the gas canister anyway. You get what you pay for. The FireMaple can simmer and cook at lower heat levels something the JetBoil is not designed to do. (Its in the name). BTW have you checked out any of the Primus system, pricey, but top quality and proven tech.

[@Masonjar94]

Could you say it would be better for a slow cook style with the flame farther away? I have absolutely no idea or credentials, I’m deep diving into this stuff.

[@greengoat2690]

Dunno I have a jet boil, a Coleman equivalent and also fm x2, no complaints here it functions as I would expect and not very dissimilar to the jet boil.

[@neiljohnston3407]

hmm, what elevation are you testing at? ... not an excuse for FireMaple ... but it does make some difference

[@finbarscanlonwolf]

I got the lidl single gas burner in 2023. Have done several fry up's in wind & was done in about 5 minutes. Have used my moka coffee pot as well, & it only too 3 minutes , & that was in the open in my local forest on a windy day. I was eating & having coffee all in 10 minutes. Looks don't cook, as you said. It looks nice, but doesn't do well. Which is the whole point of it in the first place. The should give the the people who go camping & let them test any new products before putting on the market. Love you chanel 👍🇮🇪

[@flymonk001]

I have the X1 and it boils a half a liter of water in under 2 minutes for sure. I can usually do 5 oz for a camping meal in less than 45 seconds.

[@augustoghisleni961]

Please try another one from fire maple, the petrel pot. It is a 600ml pot with heat exchanger, and it seams to be a great cheap option over the jetboil. Thank you so much for your work, I am from Brazil, it is super hard to get good gear hear, so before any purchases I always check your reviews.

[@anthonydaves3094]

Hi Luke hope you are doing well, camp chef also makes a knockoff jetboil that might be a good choice

[@mhpupacios]

I have one and use all the time with no issues - I have never timed it but it is faster than the approx 5 mins . I have never used it with the other pot stand so cannot comment on that . I have however been impressed by it's speed of boiling water but I hate the roar that it makes ( prefer to be quiet when on my hikes ) but since it is for a short period I put up with it .

[@markoconnor6801]

I have the x2 no problems great stove,sad to here you had problems.

[@aledlewis656]

I have the jetboil knock off from Highlander. I love it! Fantastic stove. The pot provided with the heat exchanger boils water quickly using little gas. The additional pot stand works fine with frying pans and cooking pots. In Firemaple's defence, I don't think this is a fair review in regards to the stoves overall intended uses. This is not a discredit to the channel, its an awesome channel, I love it. But I feel you might have got this one slightly wrong mate. 👍

[@TravelerBrad]

I have never had an issue with any of their products. Using it as is I can boil water in under three minutes. The pot support works great for cooking and helps so you don’t overheat your pan. I’ve used this one, the Saturn, the fire maple and like all of them. Well built and well priced. Are they perfect, no. But they are very good. My one complaint is on some of their products not having a starter.

[@retiredpd]

I'm always more concerned about efficiency. I got the little Sterno inferno with flat cat gears stove and connector. He recommends a lower setting, not full blast. I burned only five grams of fuel to get two cups of water to a boil and the water was directly out of my refrigerator. I didn't mind that it took 6 minutes I'd much rather save the fuel and carry less fuel with me.

[@robertcrianza6882]

Dang Luke ! I have the same one, with a different name , called Striker . 16 oz water a minute and six seconds. The more you put in, it becomes 2 and 12 seconds. Also they give you an adapter to you propane.

[@pawoutdoors9290]

How adjustable is the stove? Super hot flame like jet boil can burn your food. Speed boil time saves gas but making a decision solely on that is wrong. My main thing with these types on cook systems is how high they are. I prefer a lower cooking system. Just a personal preference. Nice review

[@MRSOMEBODYRC]

I already have a small stove from coleman, fits in my Stanley container. Works great, never got into the jetboil craze, since I already had my setup. Great review and yes don't be fooled on nice looking things, they are not always what they seam.

[@AdamonfireXMX]

Gotta be honest man. You are wrong on this one. This is highly rated and I’ve had mine for years. No issues. Same one you tested. lol. You’re only paying for the jet boil name.

[@snowpeaker]

Hey Luke, what’s the rationale behind being disappointed in a name brand product, then buying a cheaper imitation of the same product? Personally, I would think to try a different stove design for my needs after being disappointed.. just thinking out loud

[@sodakhilljack7147]

I’ve had one for years and it boils in about 2 1/2 minutes I am seeing a lot of older products that were really good now have issues so it may have been good in the past but just had lost some quality now? To me fire maple is a class act and puts out a good product their nesting pots and pans set is excellent IMO.

[@Westoxoutdoors]

Why would you want to boil water not within its original pot anyway. The additional stand is prefect as its for cooking meals not boiling water so you don't want it getting to hot. It's a very good stove for its price and excellent value

[@Mikelennon78]

Looks great. I'll definitely pick one up.

[@bergadventures2007]

I own and use the Kovea knock off and do own a Jetboil and for the price difference I don't mind the few seconds extra boiling times - in South Africa the X2 is not available from Fire Maple so can not comment nut i do think their info and ratings on out put is no always correct. I have the MSR pocket rocket and Fire Maple knock off and they are way different in boiling times but the Fire Maple is more than half the cost, so for trips with guests, I supply the FM as they might not even notice the difference.

[@krushvor2774]

I was about to buy one, but now? No way. Thank you Luke, you helped me save some Money Here.