Majora's Mask Beaten in 1 Hour!

[@SlyRocko]

I'd say migrate all previous runs into a new category called Any% No Debug Menu Everyone wins in this situation

[@whatisf-zeroanymore8212]

I agree. I've been wanting to get into MM Speedrunning for a while but now that i've found out about this I dont really want to. Also, I hope that your songs become a hit in Europe!!

[@HouseOfFunQM]

This is 100% what they will do. See what I did there.

[@apigeon4192]

Yeah, just make a new category. There's games with like a dozen categories, so it wouldn't be weird.

[@ChouhouinNeko]

agreed

[@Osterergerbanta]

Yeah, pretty much

[@Gaxhar]

Just make it it's own category. That's what Pokemon did.

[@pkeod]

This is the correct answer.

[@twitterpaited]

Yep, it's too big of a sequence break to be kept in the same category.

[@torchmusic27]

It's basically like a credits warp through memory manipulation, similar to the one in SMW.

[@ericschuster2680]

@@twitterpaited Wrong. It's Any%. Anything is allowed to finish the game, so it's totally legit...

[@ChibiRuah]

i go with this. I wont say that its the correct answer because i dont run the game and trust the communities to find the answers that work for them. But the rule of thump I have is, if its in the game, there should be a category for it.

[@BDtetra]

FF7 has a no debug room %. I assume it would be the exact same.

[@lifeiaskedfor]

it has a no Wrong Warp category, not a no Debug room, definitely two different things

[@BDtetra]

@@lifeiaskedfor there is a no debug room category, at least on youtube. Save warping is also a separate category compared to any%.

[@sails9311]

It's very obvious what the solution to this is but Apollo wants to drive discussion among the uninformed that wouldn't consider it so they share the video with others to get their friend's opinions. The last chunk of this video is purely there to drive viewership.

[@gamesforyou2351]

But ff7 does have a debug room

[@gangstamario9807]

I think this should definitely be in its own category.

[@steel5897]

Not really, it still falls under any%. Runs banning this should fall in their own category, like no OoB ALTTP (which is by far the most popular category anyway).

[@NicoTheCinderace]

@@steel5897 I argue that it SHOULD go under it's own category.

[@mexicanpasta3426]

Yo I like your profile pic and name

[@NicoTheCinderace]

@@FirenX951 Yes, I'm aware. But I'm just saying that an Any% No Debug Menu category would be best. Most games that have these sorts of skips are placed in their own category. That way, people who want to run the Debug Menu can submit runs to that category, and people who don't want to run that can submit it to the normal Any% No Debug Menu. Everybody wins in that situation. Both Debug users and non Debug users.

[@Moop666]

@@NicoTheCinderace No, this is still any%, if people dont want to use the debug room then dont run any% and make thier own unknown category. Sorry you don't want to use it, but a new glitch was found so you either deal with it or you don't run it that simple.

[@LilithNephilim666]

I think it should be allowed, but in a different category, separating "Any%" and "Any% No Debug Menu", thus both those who are ok to use it and those who think it's cheating could continue running the game.

[@OmegaSMG]

Still can't believe you're gone man. Spent hours in highschool watching your videos late at night. Every time I meet someone newer to speed running, I show them your channel. You'll be remembered for a long time, rest easy man

[@EldeNova]

"Something you would've heard on a playground" Wow didn't expect that kind of nostalgia from a 3 minute Apollo Legend video. Reminds me of all the Tony Hawks cheats and trading Pokemon cards when they were so new

[@Bambuzzsprosse]

Well...those Tony Hawk's cheats were legit. To me this sounds more like one of the hundred fake Mew-glitches that have been around on playgrounds like fainting on S.S. Anne after getting HM Cut so the ship doesn't depart. Then you have to come back when you learned HM Surf and HM Stength so you can surf to the dock in the harbour where you'll find a truck. Use Strength to push it away and Mew will attack you.

[@EldeNova]

@@Bambuzzsprosse haha yeah but you could get to the truck!? At least in Yellow on GBC Ah the days of mysteries, before Googling was helpful

[@Professor_Utonium_]

Jirachi is in the moving truck!

[@whong09]

Yeah. I miss the 90s too.

[@CyberLance26]

Speedruns feels far more fun and interesting to me when they beat the game the regular way without glitches.

[@killer429]

That's how I feel about the Portal speedruns. I wanted to speedrun it until I saw them doing that backward jump, which bothered me because that's not the sort of speedrun I want to participate in, I want to participate in "fastest way to solve the puzzles" sorta speedruns.

[@PodRealoaded]

Then watch classic%

[@sulfurnitride]

You will be remembered as a legend forever

[@ryancox191]

1:12 Paralle- oh wait nevermind.

[@BruceShankle]

0:43 I realized that is a screenshot from my old video that showed off index warping. It feels amazing to be featured like this :)

[@hondamanvtec2894]

How do know if it's you playing ?

[@DrGlebb]

RIP buddy. You’ll always be remembered in the Speedrun Community

[@MrGamerTH]

Jesus man this feels like Palace skip from Paper mario TTYD

[@gamernicholas]

No debug menu %, oh wait that's be too logical. I look forward to the MM speedrun community to dragging this category split on for months.

[@tacos7522]

this is actually crazy finding a debug menu this late, and this easily spells out a new category

[@walugusgrudenburg3068]

The debug menu was found a bit ago, but it required using song of soaring 100's of times, making it useless.

[@primaveren6101]

me, not knowing a single goddamn thing about majora running: hell yeah bro this shit's tight

[@JesusIsAMoose]

I recently moved to a new house and I haven't had nearly as much time to watch streams on Twitch, so I really appreciate the videos you make about new big updates in the speedrun community. Keep it up, my man.

[@bennieblanks5129]

When whether you should access a debug menu is a "tough question" you know your hobby is broken.

[@TBCLaker]

Depression is a real thing that affects millions of people it’s truly unfortunate that this young man took his own life 😔💔 if you’re not feeling well/safe call a loved one or call the doctor. It’s always better to vent or express yourself to them instead of bottling it up inside.. call a helpline, doctor or call your family people do care about you !!! 💚💯 Rip to Apollo may he Rest In Peace

[@GamerUntouch]

Earthbound has a similar glitch, they just made a "Any% Debug Menu" category.

[@miorioff]

Maybe make it it's own category? As for me i'd allow this under any%. Some games can be beaten in seconds and still counts as any%, so why not?

[@Khaisz.]

I agree, Just do like in WindWaker They have Any% and Any% no barrier skip. Except in Major's Mask make it Any% and Any% no index fuckery.

[@ciccioyou]

Yes but Imagine if in Every game have a debug menù that allows you to beat the game. A Little bit boring no?

[@Narzick]

Yea just imagine if every game that's run just as heavily had a hidden debug menu that took 20 years to find... That logic is wack lol

[@Ninjasifi]

“So why not?” Well, because most of those games have some sort of alternative category that’s still beating the game as fast as possible, but with limitations. In this case, if a run depends on a trick, it should be its own category.

[@ZZZZordan]

@@Ninjasifi any% depend on all the tricks possible, that's what any% is for Edit: my bad, we're talking about the same thing

[@tjimicole2677]

As far as I'm concerned, there are 2 distinct genres of speedrun: glitched, and glitchless. Both are equally valid, and neither is superior. I prefer glitchless speedruns for their display of supreme skill at the game, generally as it was intended to be played. Glitched speedruns show great knowledge if the meta aspects of the game (i.e., that it is fundamentally a creation of humans, who are flawed, and who deserve to have their flaws exploited in the name of fast times, however that may occur).

[@jespoketheepic]

The question is really if the categories will be [ any% ; no debug ], or [ debug% ; any% ]. I'm in favor of the first one.

[@failedkirby618]

Same. I like the sound of debug% though. Sounds cool

[@bramble553]

Majora's Mask is my favorite Zelda game, and it's outstanding that this has been acheived. Great job to the speedrunner! And also, yeah, because of the nature of this glitch, I'd say it belongs in a new category imo, with all previous ones being moved to a new category banning the Debug glitch.

[@tehdouglas1]

Used to watch Enopps streams years ago, good to see him still pushing the games limits!

[@TheTotemToter]

"Sounds like something you might have heard about on the playground" was exactly what I thought when I saw the thumbnail!!

[@tesorosdetinkertown8310]

It's amazing how after all this years and dedication to this game, people keep finding huge secrets that blow our minds. Gratz to Ennopp112 for finding this and for the first sub-1hr record!

[@Andreas_Mann]

So it's basically a trainer.

[@zoltanz288]

Yes.

[@whong09]

That old and faithful friend, the buffer overflow.

[@mysteryoothero]

I think it shouldn’t be allowed. Even if the debug menu only appears after a complicated glitch, it still is a “magical menu” where you can just finish all the game by changing a switch, which is not exactly playing it at its fullest. Or just make it it’s own category

[@Buglin_Burger7878]

So clipping through walls, skipping dungeons, this is playing it at its fullest?

[@originalmetalman9430]

You really are the OG. Love the video's man.

[@tonantemsreign5506]

Literally speechless.... What a frickin boss for figuring that debug menu out, and i have no opinion on what to do about it. Guess it's up to the rest of everyone else. this is so cool though wtf!? XD

[@momozuke2757]

Thank you for this video Apollo!! I really needed someone to explain this new glitch to me lol.

[@PlayerN101]

When you got 3 days but you only spend an hour saving the world

[@Iyerbeth]

That's so awesome. Should definitely be a different category, but it's ridiculously cool.

[@sp11oki]

Shall never be allowed

[@aliaspseudonym525]

Well this is certainly interesting! Hoping to see more content like this from you!

[@dandastardly2792]

If it’s any% it’s just like Pokémon blue and red speed runs. I would allow it

[@Tofuuuuuu]

Simple. Allow this in any% Have a category for no debug menu% easy peasy

[@jansenart0]

Other way around would be easier: new category "Debug%". Renaming the old category would cause chaos in VoDs already up for years.

[@CIubDuck]

If it's going to be it's own category, then we should not rename any% to any% no debug. It just causes confusion, and it would make any% no debug less popular most likely. Make a new category called debug% instead

[@failedkirby618]

Allowed since its a glitch in the game, and is still playing the game. However, i think there should be a new catergorey, called any% no db. (Db is de bug) Hopefully this doesnt become like the instant text glitch in pokemon, in which the new catergorey was almost never ran

[@failedkirby618]

I just posted this, looked at the pther comments, and realized half the comments have the exact same solution as me

[@matteagle6914]

this sounds like a own category

[@iwatchvideos297]

Right when i get impatient you upload. Cheers

[@spazerdazer8421]

And thus "Any% No Major Glitches" waa born

[@MMadMask]

He speedran Majora's in less than an hour, but you speedran the explanation in under 3 minutes

[@path6733]

It seems like other crazy fast glitch categories in my opinion (which I think is super cool and I love) and is just another step in beating the game as fast as possible by any means possible and that's really what any % is, let the racing begin to optimize this route!

[@LackofPants]

Like everyone else is saying, this should be its own category on the leaderboard. If it were a small sequence break/skip, it would just be the new any% route, but this is huge.

[@sparclight.]

Mom: Son, dinner will be ready in an hour. Son: Okay! Also Son: *starts up majora's mask*

[@DiamondYoshi101]

GET SHREDDED APART MAJORA’S MASK

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

Any% means literally Any%. If they put it in the game, intended or unintended, without any sort of outside mod, it should be okay. Alternate categories exist for a reason, just make a category that leaves out this one trick. Plus, as someone else already said, I agree with moving the rest of the existing runs to said no debug category.

[@seereebee]

This run is super cool, I say just make it it's own category

[@Kevlar_ghost]

Legend of Smellda The wind breaker

[@silverwheelchairiot6525]

Imagine nearly destroying the world and then you get your ass beat in less than three days

[@lumporgini]

I love how in speedrunning a 1 hour run is a short run

[@Odima16]

wow I'm glad everyone said it should just be its own category because now I don't have to

[@Narzick]

I think it's fine since it requires in game data manipulation to even access it. Worst case make it it's own thing like pokemon did

[@kaiseremotion854]

What did pokemon do?

[@bobsagget823]

moron

[@moth.monster]

IMO, ingame cheats should be allowed in speedruns but a separate category.

[@retrogamestudios7649]

Miss ya dude

[@itsoracle]

Make it a category or it will ruin the any% by making them all insanely short

[@samantharedacted9226]

Idk man Ocarina of Time speedruns are at almost 15 minutes right now and they're super popular and respected. I don't think a speedrun can be too short because the entire point is making the game as short as possible.

[@TammyBun1]

its not the run being short thats the problem, its the fact that half of the run now is taken up by playing song of soaring 60 something times making debug menu it's own category is the best option here

[@TammyBun1]

@@FirenX951 setup is fine for a glitch in the vast majority of cases 20 minutes straight of playing one song in majoras mask gets boring as a speedrunner Splitting the category into any% and any% no debug menu would fix this

[@idkidkman101]

Dawn of the first day: 23 hours remaining

[@CaptainGibbons]

How is this different than warping to the final boss in OoT?

[@aclonymous]

tbh I think the most reasonable option would be splitting the leaderboards into two categories: runs that use the menu and ones that don’t.

[@Effyew2]

Yup, just needs its own category.

[@davidmedford1166]

I think it should have its own category of speedrun

[@MisterTwoScoops]

Frankly, the simple question "would this be allowed if done through a menu?" is telling enough to determine whether or not things such as this should be allowed in speedruns. Yes it is a cool trick, won't argue that in the slightest, yet when you get access to the dev menu, you've pretty much got yourself an automatic win ticket. It's to me akin to beating pokemon in 0 seconds. It's a neat trick but a completely pointless one as it defeats the spirit of speedruns.

[@daskampffredchen]

Its like opening the cheat menu in Oblivion activating the last quest and then tp to quest target

[@HYDRAdude]

KotoR II uses a glitch to access a dev character (originally used for testing purposes) that was left in the code, which has insane stats and a one-hit kill lightsaber and blaster.

[@skylerdickson2939]

This is why the any percent category exists. Thank Majora for this beautiful new debug screen. It is divine light on my sore malnourished retina.

[@starburst7681]

1:30 "We're asked if you use programming languages in which each function may be MODIFYING DATA somewhere else at the same time"

[@coloneldookie7222]

The issue here is that it requires a portion of the game to already be played. If it were accessible ANYTIME, then it would be a roving debug. I would say this is an unintended debug accessible glitch and that it, TO ME, should be allowed in speedruns. If need be, make a category for it, but it seems to be an unintended access. This is something we've seen in other games where a glitch allows you to beat the game from the beginning, like in Pokemon Yellow. In Pokemon Yellow, a series of input put you at Hall of Fame cutscene and ending the speedrun at 0:00. That's an intended dev screen glitch. Not a partway through the game glitch for devs like exampled here.

[@zoltanz288]

I think that developer tools should not be allowed in speedruns. I mean whats next? Lets just allow TAS in speedruns? Or maybe third party software for changing in game values? Im ok with glitches but i think we need to draw the line at dev tools or 3rd party software.

[@TheStolken]

I have a feeling this would be like Super Mario World's credits warp thing. It would be better for it to be in its own category.

[@DsLink1306]

Speed runners should be developers, god damn..

[@FerousFolly]

Just solve it like everyone always does. New category.

[@Sauce_Boss_]

Doesn’t matter if they make this a new category Enopp will still beat everyone at any category in this game

[@michaelhowarth8331]

Should be it’s own category. Then it would open a whole new window of games, including a lot of the classics.

[@juliancalero8012]

When I was this early, Terra was not unified.

[@AmeshaSpentaArmaiti]

new category, problem solved. it's a really cool discovery, though.

[@SairekCeareste]

I'd say make it a new category. Debug tools are too powerful. A developer's tools are basically designed to cheat the game. To me, this isn't too much different than just inputting a cheat at a password screen to just skip to the final boss and calling it a legitimate run.

[@Hhgforesjkloihn]

Not exactly, as you are inputting the code within game

[@SairekCeareste]

@@Hhgforesjkloihn Where do we draw the line? We can use this debug menu to give us literally everything in the game. 20 heart containers, all bottles, masks, weapon upgrades, songs, fairy upgrades, skulltula dungeon completions, boss parts, etc. Does that mean if we do this bug to give us everything and beat Majora, we can call it a 100% run?

[@Hhgforesjkloihn]

Sairek Ceareste in a new category, sure

[@sycophant8470]

glad you always keep it as brief or as long as it needs to be

[@gisanh]

it should be allowed as its own category

[@jakoski]

I saw to allow it. After all, Salt and Sanctuary runs allow for runners to glitch themselves onto the developer island and just take all of the best gear.

[@recht_voor_zijn_raap5506]

Sounds like making this a new category will solve this issue.

[@DerpyRhythem]

They need to make the debug menu it's own category or Majora's Mask Speedrunning would be ruined

[@SpectreXS]

Separate Category here we go!

[@lovethesuit]

If any glitches were allowed in the category, then this glitch should be allowed.

[@Bellphorion]

I say let it be! Let the man have his 15 mins of fame.

[@jonathanmcgraw4253]

Yea this needs to be a new category

[@scottbates5972]

You do realize that they do separate speed runs into categories depending on if a glitched was used

[@hitzcritz]

Just have two seperate categories, one being NoDebug% and the other just being Any%

[@FLYNN_TAGGART]

As always, the solution is more categories.

[@tba_aro2115]

THIS IS CRAZY!!! I NEVER SAW THIS COMING!!!

[@Landmasters]

Maybe making a separate category would be better? Unless there are already various methods across the various consoles, at which point it may be best to just ban after all

[@Saraieth]

New category. That simple

[@iheroISH]

Earthbound allows it in its any% run which makes the run extremely short compared to the usual ways of beating it. So I could totally see this being allowed

[@DashRetro]

I feel like this glitch should be treated very similarly to an ACE run.

[@MelodiusRL]

Finally, I was getting real tired of gameplay in my MM speedruns.

[@broadvalley6494]

hey first cycle is still a thing everyone's favourite part of the run

[@jaimesuffering]

Should be in a category of its own

[@handsomebrick]

This would be an interesting debate topic, personally I'm leaning to "create a new category." I know that most people who say that are sore losers trying to keep their old records (and the people that they misinformed), but perhaps it's warranted in this case.

[@zwingler]

I think it should be its own seperate category

[@Gamer-GuyGG64]

Same

[@keanurevert9275]

I say its fine for any% category. A glitch is a glitch none of them were intended for regular play throughs thats why theres a seperate glitchless category. If you wanna split hairs on what a major glitch is thats going to include most of the any % strat.

[@jomon324]

It’s not a Gameshark, Action Replay, Game Genie, or any external device, so I say it’s allowed. If it needs to be in its own category, that’s fine. I just want to see runs where it’s used, specifically at AGDQ/SGDQ.