Making the ULTIMATE Marvel Vs Capcom Roster

[@MrSoLiDeAtH]

Vergil isnt just a DLC character. He is literally "THE SPECIAL EDITION" character. If anything, he should be on his own tier called Special Edition Roster

[@georgeluciano6136]

Pre order DLC character😂

[@qxponix589]

Yes Vergil and Akuma always the year 2 update revive hype

[@StriderZessei]

Lore-accurate tier.

[@moroseloki1912]

Thanks I hate it and bought it Twice...

[@dnmstarsi]

@@qxponix589 Especially if we actually had 80 characters with this roster right here. Like seriously, if this game sold this well with this hot take of a roster, it really shows to never underestimate the MvC2 era crew. LOL

[@popcultureasylum7456]

The fact that The Punisher has never been in a Marvel vs Capcom game considering how important he is to the Marvel vs Capcom series is a FUCKING CRIME The Punisher's beat em up game was literally the first project Marvel and Capcom created together and it ended up being a success, slowing spawning the MvC games. There is a FUCKING REASON why Capcom put the Punisher game in the Marvel vs Capcom fighting game collection The Punisher needs to a priority in the next Marvel vs Capcom game or I will be disappointed That's the end of my little rant. Fun video as always Max

[@DDXNinja]

Punisher is not an interplanetary type superhero who fights aliens and super beings. He fights mafia bsses and ultra financially powerful guys like Kingpin.

[@Potidaon]

Problem is he's just regular gun man, and many other characters fill that niche. He was in consideration for MvC3, but he didn't go further for that reason.

[@popcultureasylum7456]

@Potidaon Chris Redfield is just a regular gun man and he still made it in a Marvel vs Capcom game, why can't Punisher be in a game???

[@popcultureasylum7456]

@@DDXNinja Phoenix Wright is a Lawyer

[@marcushamner5994]

I like to see Luke Cage in MvC 4 since his best friend Iron Fist in Ultimate MvC 3. He could say his catchphrase “Sweet Christmas.”👊🏾👊🏾

[@Robomori]

In a perfect world, I can rock a Venom, Doctor Doom, and Phoenix Wright team without mods...

[@RRRRRRRRR33]

You can do it in Marvel Rivals, just have to wait for either Daredevil or She-Hulk tho

[@alanelcanalla]

In a perfect world, I can rock a Gambit, Leon Kennedy, and Dante team without mods...

[@ShrimpInACoffin]

In a perfect world every character slot is vergil​@@alanelcanalla

[@alanelcanalla]

@@ShrimpInACoffin In a perfect world, Im vergil

[@totolias2010]

@@alanelcanalla ve v vergilv vergi, ve vergil

[@paperluigi6132]

Lesson of the day: making a fighting game roster, especially a crossover one, is much harder than you’d think.

[@dnmstarsi]

@@paperluigi6132 Thorgi knows that first hand. You gotta have that balance of icons and weirdos; it can't just be characters YOU want especially when you're a fan of a particular franchise or two.

[@capstalker5539]

@@dnmstarsi Ironically, Capcom actually cares more about some of the less popular games than fans do. In the TVC, there are Rival Schools, Lost Planet, Onimusha, and Quiz Nanairo Dreams Omokane , and even Sengoku BASARA and Gaia Master were considered.

[@sethxenofightersofficialx]

​@capstalker5539 even a regular roster is hard for a new ip

[@Potidaon]

It's not that hard if you're working of a reasonable amount, don't have extremely limited interests, and don't act purely out of self-interest.

[@dnmstarsi]

@@Potidaon It kinda is, dude especially for Marvel and Capcom and you have to work with a limited number of characters to add. Even when you try to find that balance of legacy characters and newcomers. Plus people have been praising this as much as we've been criticizing it because let's be real, people would be okay with another MvC game where most of the roster is either X-Men or Street Fighter. Those two DID rule the 90s and the people who are trying to bring back MvC were there in the 90s and have been missing a lot of that charm since MvC3 understandably.

[@six7264]

"Robert Downey Jr. as Black Panther" got a genuine belly laugh out of me.

[@DualWieldingDad]

I almost spit out my drink

[@Nozid2613]

that was a tropic thunder reference yeah?

[@GameAW1]

I love that Phoenix Wright gets in basically because he represents the non-meta of MvC where the character is just fun to watch people play or watch him do his thing. He won't win many, if any tournaments, but we're all happy having him in there.

[@Sl33pyGoat]

As an Ace Attorney fan as well as a FGC fan, seeing that Phoenix was playable in the most iconic crossover series in the FGC made my life. Got me into watching Lythero and iHeartJustice initially for PW tutorials and gameplay until sticking around bc the content was too fire.

[@NiiRubra]

Phoenix embodies the spirit of "fuck it, who cares" when choosing your character, and that's gotta be there, you can't be fully serious with your roster.

[@emperormegaman3856]

@@NiiRubra Exactly, a company wide crossover need some "we put them in because it's fun" pick.

[@myriadmediamusings]

Im more AA than FGC but I cheered nonetheless when Wright was in UMVC3. He was freaking difficult to play but I didnt care he was so much fun.

[@ripamoramee14]

@@GameAW1 why would it not be Apollo Justice? Get fresh faces in there

[@Umamipapiii]

Whoever said remove Phoenix Wright I hope you experience every mild inconvenience known to man

[@liluminati9791]

i cast manual breathing, manual blinking, and pillow warm on both sides upon them

[@Slayerofall21]

Phoenix Wright is as forgettable as his games Never understood the hype behind this guy lol

[@Chido_Agent]

​@@Slayerofall21 So you were the guy in chat

[@Slayerofall21]

@@Chido_Agent Sadly, I wasn't there when this stream happened........but I'd secretly wish I was lmao No offense, but I NEVER liked Wright's series (I do like the character design, though. Franciska Von Karma is 100% lit)

[@dropout818]

And step on a Lego

[@rai357]

I just want J. Jonah Jameson as a guest announcer calling everyone freaks and telling them to go after Spider-man before the round starts.

[@RoseGarden17]

that’s actually a really good idea, on the daily bugle stage maybe

[@nashtonenigma4014]

just use the sf6 commentator system but make it J.J.

[@drax1526]

The lack of Ghost Rider on the Marvel side has me foaming at the mouth

[@MacUser2-il2cx]

Yeah you have Dormamu and Blackheart, might as well toss in Ghost Rider. Punisher and Daredevil are nice picks though!

[@drax1526]

@@MacUser2-il2cx Oh Daredevil is a top-tier pick. I personally think Black Widow would've been a good pick. Or Scarlet Witch.

[@Sosa_D_Roger]

It's crazy captain commando wasn't in the top 10 of capcom

[@NhBleker]

Robbie Reyes and Johnny Blaze should both be playable, one being an alternate skin to the other. If that’s not possible though, it be cool to give Robbie Reyes Ghost Rider a chance in the spotlight as the playable Ghost Rider, Johnny Blaze still being in the game but as a extra in the stage background.

[@gamemax1049]

@@drax1526> NOT DEADPOOL *Proceeds to go Berserker*

[@panama1131]

You want a weird freak pick for Marvel? WHERE'S HOWARD THE DUCK?

[@Kimuraminato]

Cosmo + starlord since u cant professor x on chair

[@likability6288]

J Jonah Jamison

[@ShahroozSmith]

I thought the same thing, Howard the Duck would be the perfect weird pick. And we've done almost a lot of big bads from Marvel as boss characters like Apocalypse, Onslaught, Ultron Sigma, Ultron Omega, and Thanos. If I were to recommend a new Boss character from Marvel, I would suggest Knull from the Thor comics (Look him up, he has a sick design..)

[@MimiksYou]

i want squirrel girl she is an incredibly stupid character concept and i love her

[@MartezAnims]

Probably would be someone like Hit Monkey, given the MCU.

[@carlosrdgz1385]

I'm just baffled that Terry Bogard wasn't included as the SF6 representative.

[@hikaritx]

Marvel Vs. Capcom & SNK

[@moopersworthninjason42nd81]

That wouldve been an amazing loophole

[@cmurphy0707]

You can throw Terry Bogard in any fighting game in the world and nobody would complain.

[@SorceressHeart]

​@@cmurphy0707He's not even invited, he just shows up with beer and everyone's cool with him 😂

[@ectofriend]

The absolute DISRESPECT to my boy Frank West is unacceptable!

[@Dracobyte]

He has covered wars, you know!

[@sonarchy5158]

What if they don't put Frank West, or Chuck Greene or even Nick Ramos, but like Adam the Clown or Slappy?

[@chewie6535]

Nah deserved for taking Leon's spot

[@Godzillabrawler]

@@sonarchy5158 Adam the Clown? That "wouldn't be ANY FUN at ALLLLLL!"

[@ectofriend]

@@chewie6535 you should be saying that to Chris

[@jaealxndr]

I think moon knight would be a cool addition

[@BROXBasher]

Heck yeah, man!

[@bkaneshiro14]

Cant wait to see his level 3 hyper, "Random Bullshit, Go!" clinch Evo 2028

[@rodrigopalmerin]

Its a mcu char. Easy layup

[@rodrigopalmerin]

Its a mcu char. Easy layup

[@DIOBrando-ij2bp]

Moon Knight seems like the kind of character that gets added in like the fourth or fifth update.

[@zack01598]

Just goes to show how incredibly expansive both sides are, when an 80 character roster looks... small.

[@Onako-yf5pm]

60

[@AwesomeMooseSmile]

​@@Onako-yf5pmthe DLC too

[@GrandpaMunster86]

"I don't have a single deep cut weirdo on the Marvel side" Has Blackheart on the roster. Dude really doesn't know lol

[@mimszanadunstedt441]

And Dormammu already has pillar moves so Black Heart's novelty is kinda taken up gameplay wise.

[@captainstrangiato961]

I think the point is that they aren’t deep cuts as in…we know those characters because of previous MvC games at the very least. In terms of fringe Marvel, I think things like Squirrel Girl, Elsa Bloodstone, and Mephisto.

[@megamandrn001]

It's bananas he has Miles as a seperate slot

[@EdgeLord_101]

@@GrandpaMunster86 he also said that the Silver Surfer is more popular than the F4. Maybe it was in the 90’s but not in modern day

[@comicking428]

@@megamandrn001 Not really. Miles has been a breakout hit for Marvel in recent years with Spider-Verse and the Insomniac games, and he's got powers that Capcom could use to make him feel different from Peter. Also, Max has 4 Street Fighter shotos on Capcom's side. Dude's not gonna let similar movesets hold him back.

[@redfox4220]

“Arthur has had enough representation as is” *puts half the cast of X-men and street fighter in the roster*

[@dnmstarsi]

"Just as it should be." - Several people in this comment section.

[@Potidaon]

Max proving he isn't as much of a Capcom fan as he claims.

[@megamandrn001]

It's really funny that Max is such a huge fan of this franchise and clearly hasn't cracked a comic since 1995.

[@mikejonesnoreally]

@@megamandrn001 *Bold* of you to find him *that* current! xD

[@_JKings_]

yes

[@dannyrvt6924]

Judging from this list, makes me think Max doesn’t want Marvel vs Capcom 4 but rather X-men vs Street Fighter 2 🤣

[@fapuloes]

But X-Men always has been a very important part of MvC's identity. Infinite being too focused on MCU characters is one of the reasons why people didn't like it as much.

[@dnmstarsi]

@@fapuloes Except that MvC evolved past X-Men and Street Fighters with MvC3 plus X-Men ruled the 90s with SF so it makes sense to push those two more at the time but we're not in the 90s anymore and both Marvel and Capcom gave us several cool characters that were neither an mutant or a street fighter. Even with the latest success, let's not get crazy and that's saying something given MvC1.

[@CapcomSwagg]

​@@fapuloesthat's cus infinite was based on the movies. X-Men are cool, but we gotta be more unique with the marvel AND Capcom characters, i fucking LOVED iron fist on umvc3 and so did Justin Wong.

[@SeelkadoomandJokic00]

@fapuloes X-Men have only been MOST of the Marvel roster in X-Men vs Street Fighter (hence the name) & MvC2. MSH vs SF & MvC1 had 2-3 playable X-Men reps in the games & MvC 3 had the perfect balance. Infinite was poorly liked because it was heavy MCU influenced which effected the music (which the MCU wasn't known for) & was at a time people were getting exhausted of the MCU putting synergy into everything Marvel made beyond the movies.

[@bihansiceclone]

MvC2 is mostly x-men on the marvel side lol

[@ASentientToaster]

Man, Gene from Godhand would be amazing. It's a shame how poorly that game got treated.

[@reaflor91]

MvC's roster is a very delicate balance for me. Unlike something like Street Fighter or Guilty Gear where literally ANYONE can be included, I personally believe MvC needs a certain balance achieved, at least in terms of flavor. You can add as many Chris Redfields or Haggars as you want, but you also need to even it out with characters like Amaterasu, Jedah, or even ones like Sigma or Nemesis. The reason why is simply, we need characters that provide that air where both sides feel equal in terms of power. Marvel's side will always have the heavy hitters like Magneto, Hulk, or even literal gods like Dormammu and Shuma Gorath. What we also need is characters that can match their power, or can still make sense flavor wise, alongside the ones everyone likes. THAT'S why people want characters like Gill and Asura. Sigma and Jedah felt PERFECT for MvCI because they were characters that felt like they could stand amongst the giants of Marvel. I don't even play a lot of those characters but I do feel like those types of characters are important for such a colorful series as this.

[@philagbisit6485]

Dormammu and Shuma Gorath are not to be excluded or underestimated when MVC4 comes.

[@keyblader2k6]

i agree and i think its because its 2 very different companies and they have to have "somewhat" equal representation to each other.

[@superbro6413]

If anything, seeing Max's list (and Thorgi's list from his Make a Roster video, which Max looked at in the stream VOD) really makes me want to see a MvC4 roster from the perspective of a Marvel Comics-head. I believe that the classic verus games where developed by Capcom people who knew some deep pulls which we never even heard about back in the day (we weren't reading the comics 😅), and I wonder if the Capcom of today, who could be making a MvC4, would be able to recreate that magic Can't wait to be there to see though

[@Lady_Luxury]

I can contribute! I'm a big comics fan, and while I do better at Capcom character recognizability than most normies would, I still struggled putting my Capcom side together (it also unfortunately has a ton of SF characters) My picks for Marvel started out the same; about half? three quarters? of mine matches Max's. The differences are that I put in Invisible Woman, Rocket/Groot, Spiral, X-23 (main roster), Angela, Moon Knight, Ghost Rider, Emma Frost, and Ms Marvel.

[@michaelriverside1139]

That's easy, since just like Max did, half of the roster are X-Men characters, the real question lies in how many will the Disney executives allow since there is no way the game is shipping without Rocket Raccoon, Avengers like Scarlet Witch, Black Panther or Captain Marvel...

[@OrgXIII4U]

I really think Lady Dimitrescu would be an interesting addition, especially if she has her three daughters as attacks. Even if she not a full character, I think she would be a great Mid-boss encounter

[@larsonabilla5066]

@@OrgXIII4U yes!

[@chronoplex89]

I can't wait to see her and Blade trash talk each other

[@brentonchong6694]

im here for this comment

[@spoonimefan]

@@chronoplex89 : You KNOW Deadpool would have MANY things to say to and about her! "Oh look! Another mommy with a 'D' that's obsessed with me! *turns to camera and whispers* And I saw your Rule 34 stuff at the announcement, you pervs."

[@chronoplex89]

@@spoonimefan also she will probably say something irritable to Magneto since Heisenberg favor him in abilities. Of course Magneto will likely silence her by wrapping a metal strip around her mouth. Referencing X-Men 97

[@marche800]

Ripley likes Phoenix Wright??? That kid has potential. I totally agree by the way, him being there just makes the game more fun.

[@myriadmediamusings]

Would be pretty funny if she ends up becoming a fan of Phoenix Wright’s games themselves, considering how so little Max cares about them.

[@parry3439]

@@myriadmediamusings Ripley becoming a VN fan and be ass at fighting games would be sweet sweet irony

[@paperluigi6132]

@@parry3439nah, go all the way. She loves all the stuff that Max doesn’t and hates most of the stuff he likes.

[@myriadmediamusings]

@@paperluigi6132Hmm well I do remember one stream moment where Funcle Kenny got Ripley one of those tiny Pac-Man Arcade 1Ups. Ripley looked like she was really into it. Max sounded disappointed and didnt want her to become a Pac-Man main.

[@darthcerebus]

He's a meme character but seeing how people make him top tier just on how they know what he can do and how to work with it is just amazing.

[@Bingo_the_Pug]

Apparently people have been asking for Asura from Asura’s Wrath for YEARS

[@babagaming7867]

Yeah, he would've been absolutely perfect for the game.

[@BROXBasher]

From what I heard, he was planned before support for Infinite stopped.

[@emperormegaman3856]

I kinda wanna see Asura crossing over with Hulk.

[@dee_dee4640]

I don't think we can trust Marvel and Disney for Asura to be in MVC after the Star Wars sequels, She-Hulk, the Marvels, and every recent failures they produce nowadays.

[@winloc_5681]

How do those failures relate specifically to Asura?​@dee_dee4640

[@SeanLifeFlame]

This makes me wonder what would happen if two people worked on one of these "build the roster" sheets -- one Capcom nerd, one Marvel geek -- and see what would happen when you meshed their ideas together in this format.

[@dnmstarsi]

@@SeanLifeFlame If they implemented rival battles and/or partnerships, it would be interesting to see who'd be paired with who.

[@pinguijose]

A rule of thumb for making a MVC roster should be that the maximum amount of representatives one franchise can have is 5, if both players can choose all their character from the same franchise and non is the same I think you did something wrong.

[@myriadmediamusings]

Huh with that roster with being so predominantly X-Men, if I didn’t know any better, I would think what Max wants is not Marvel VS Capcom, but X-Men VS Capcom.

[@glacierwolf2155]

He's an old-school fighting game player, so I understand why it's filled with a lot of X-Men characters.

[@Ability-King-KK]

I mean, X-Men are part of the reason why this series exists in the first place and their omission from Infinite was a slap in the face.

[@jaealxndr]

Lmao + blade

[@ttt9830]

I mean X-Men are fucking iconic. I don’t know why they’re isn’t a Marvel Fighting Game (Injustice Style)

[@gamemax1049]

I prefer that than MCU vs Capcom infinite

[@CoffeePotGames]

Daredevil needs to be in a Marvel vs Capcom game. How hasn't it happened yet

[@Ronin-kk4bt]

Hell yes!

[@NhBleker]

To be fair, he had an entire stage dedicated to him in MVC3 so he isn’t at least forgotten completely like some such as Leon S. Kennedy or The Sentry.

[@JuneAssassin21]

Nightcrawler too

[@mward5962]

The weird thing is, he IS in the background in MvC3 in the Shadowlands NY stage. Capcom literally wanted him in but Marvel insisted on MODOK. Because there is one guy in Marvel's lincensing who really likes that dumb little thing. It happened in MCP as well. AMG wanted their first wave to have Hulk vs Abomination, but they said "nope. MODOK." It's weird that he hasn't been modded in yet to the best of my knowledge. His model is RIGHT THERE.

[@charleslee8313]

The same goes for Kingpin

[@katsasgeorge]

Whoof. Whoever had the Doctor Octopus idea is a genius.

[@InfiniteGamesDenderotto]

Doc Ock is a character Capcom developed for MVC3, but was cut at the last minute (along with Frank West, but at least Frank was able to get into Ultimate MVC3 later). People even found on the game's data the doc ock char icon from the character select screen

[@untrustworthyshelfing9953]

I always thought this franchise could be a really great space to reimagine Street Fighter characters. Blanka with projectile electricity. Juggernaut-size Zangief. Super armor Balrog. Stuff that would be impossible in the mainline games.

[@austinreed7343]

Imagine a Sentinel-sized Hugo…

[@brandonwilliams6119]

I always wished Blanka was in MVC2 over someone like Guile since Charlie already exists, Hulk even has an ending in MSHvsSF with him interacting with Blanka and its wholesome, check it when you can. We should also get Max to “rate the endings” from every game.

[@EternumTagerMain]

Don't think we wanna get another Abigail on our hands.

[@daymonharris8696]

Let's be honest with ourselves. I don't think that a casual audience would want a "retooled" version of Ryu. That's a very bad idea I'm not going to hold you. I think we should just leave all the characters alone and leave the retooling for their main series

[@untrustworthyshelfing9953]

@@daymonharris8696 You write like a malfunctioning AI and what you're saying makes no sense. They already retooled Ryu, you dunce. Geez! I sure do love Ryu's air fireball in the main series games.

[@asrieldreemurr1918]

He said he wanted a monster character and nemesis was standing right there and he wasn’t picked

[@Dabajaws]

my boy....my poor sweet boy

[@XeroSigmaPrime]

He did Nemesis so dirty cutting him, especially with how cool he is in Infinite. Why would you give us Ada but remove Nemmy?! Makes me think they havent even tackled Nemmy in the Beyond Mod LOL

[@NiiRubra]

It wasn't on the list, but it honestly should have been Mr X. Or Lady D. Probably Lady D.

[@jexusdomel5194]

The answer is Max loves Wesker too much, and he's the resi villain spot for him, tho as much as I love him too, I would pick nemesis, he's kinda too big to ignore (literally lol)

[@XeroSigmaPrime]

@@jexusdomel5194 How do you cut the character who's block animation is just STANDING THERE MENACINGLY

[@Xynbra]

"Vergil will always be DLC" he says as he makes Vergil base roster

[@novanebula8004]

I love the X Men too but he went way overboard with them especially if he's going for the health of the game LOL

[@pop000690]

I probably would've capped the X characters with Wolverine, Deadpool, Cyclops, Gambit and maybe Magneto at a stretch. Others can be DLC characters

[@michaelriverside1139]

@@pop000690 I don't think X-Men will go beyond Wolverine, Magneto, Storm, either Cyclops or Gambit and Scarlet Witch due to legal issues involving Insomniac, where the last one counts as a mutant, while Deadpool doesn't... And that's without considering Disney's priorities at the time, maybe they'll want more Fantastic 4 chars this time around, like The Thing and there's no way Rocket, Captain Marvel, Black Panther and Shang-Chi will be passed-off!

[@1stCallipostle]

​@@michaelriverside1139Ain't nobody in the mainstream know Shang-Chi from anything other than bargain stores being flooded with figures from the flop movie.

[@Nicholas86753]

Look, idc if Megaman X is being overrepresented or not. Give me Vile.

[@ElementShoota]

that would be sick

[@SonicSanctuary]

You my man have excellent taste

[@thorinhannahs4614]

I would take Vile. I'd also take Megaman Zero.

[@Slayerofall21]

@@Nicholas86753 Get Classic MM and Tron out and put X, Zero, Vile and Bass.EXE (with Dr. Weil or one the 4 Guardians as DLC) Perfection

[@jaydeeg3240]

Yessssssssss

[@raidennc]

I want Magik in a MvC so bad. Her anime sword, portals, demon summons, and demon transformations would be perfect for this game

[@tokyotourist]

Magik is PERFECT for MvC. I’d honestly get rid of Dr. Strange and have her replace him

[@raidennc]

​​@@tokyotourist I like Strange too, but if I have to pick, Magik all day

[@jake22ca]

yeah it suprised me when he ranted about inhumans, it makes sense to me, magik works perfect as the only inhuman rep

[@raidennc]

@@jake22ca pretty sure she's a mutant (like her brothers). But with how comics go, who knows... Lol

[@tokyotourist]

@@jake22ca Magik isn’t an Inhuman. She’s a mutant who also happens to be a demon sorceress. Inhumans is a dead Marvel property

[@DarthEnderX]

12:11 I feel like if MvC3 had come out 2 years later, we'd have got Juri instead of Viper.

[@eaglesman19]

No doubt

[@tinytrtle5681]

I really am a fuckin' tourist, it felt like half of the time I was just thinking "who tf is that?" Or "really? That guy?"

[@bulb9970]

Tbf if it wasn’t for MvC we also wouldn’t know half of these guys

[@erichickman691]

Whoa Three Robert Downey Jr's in one list your crazy max. Ironman, Doctor Doom, and Black Panther, this is too much RDJ rep my guy.

[@000mjd]

Max hate for Frank West never Ends still salty he took Leon spot 😅

[@gamemax1049]

@@000mjd His childish tantrum it's getting old Better not tell him that if we get a new MVC, Frank has his guaranteed roster slot, thanks to the Deluxe Remaster 🤭

[@livebyfaith4647]

he’s not wrong per se. Leon did get robbed, arguably one of Capcom’s most iconic characters of all time, def deserves a spot imo

[@dnmstarsi]

Yeah though I will say we should add a Dead Rising rep regardless like say Chuck Greene.

[@thefvguy5648]

@@000mjd Which is weird since Frank is way cooler than Leon.

[@professorwizard8916]

@@thefvguy5648 DAAAAMN those are some FIGHTIN WORDS!

[@FluffyGomez]

My guy made the roster into X-Men and friends vs Street Fighter and friends 💀

[@weeping_me362]

It's simply the MvC2 way

[@mikaelamonsterland]

there is still a shit ton of avengers in there tbh, more than mvc2 had

[@AKAProm]

I mean, that is how this all started.

[@flashtheshapeshafter]

The way the Lord intended, it's easy to forget people were actually pretty upset with the mvc3 roster back in the day because of the lack of X-Men compared to previous titles in a lot of the cast were very new plus no Venom or Mega Man

[@norock_]

xmen are less than half the base roster and sf are just 7 chill out

[@brucenatelee]

30:51 Capcom abandoned a LOT of IPs over the years, so most people wouldn't know shit about them. Some haven't been around for 20 years as far as having their own games. Darkstalkers is forever stuck in the 90s.

[@DoublemanFM]

Jon Talbain feels like an "always a bridesmaid, never a bride" type character. He's gotta be in. I'd also like Gill for the sole reason that he was cut from MvCI.

[@andrewmartinez4224]

I cannot argue with your logic dude. Its perfectly said

[@MacUser2-il2cx]

We also need Edward Falcon in the game for some Power Stone rep. Power Stone has been shafted by Capcom for too dang long.

[@fordesponja]

I would put Demitri over Ken for a shoto character, in fact. The problem is Vampire characters have very little representation apart of Morrigan and the occasional Anakaris, people is not very used to see spooky anime characters but they are so cool. Also I feel Jedah should be in, he is a very striking figure.

[@brandonwilliams6119]

Gill is an interesting choice, we’ve never had a SF3 character in a MVC unless you count Alex in TVC.

[@Mariobro4]

Agreed. I would chop Bison for Gill. His cheap boss level moveset from Sf3 and illuminati god style swagger is story and voice call is all in.

[@CJKenjii]

Bass.EXE would be perfect, one of the best villans from the Mega Man series period.

[@Exlayer-pk8hy]

And any sort of Battle network representation would be an amazing inclusion in the VS series. It's absence is noticeable

[@picawood]

TRUE, just image hellz roll everything and summon gospel and falzar to do crazy attacks

[@comicking428]

Max siding with more X-Men and Street Fighter characters isn't surprising given his history with the franchise and how the earlier entries were more focused on those two franchises. My guess is MVC4's roster would likely be shaped like UMVC3, a balance between X-Men, Avengers, and villains on the Marvel side and a wide mix of franchises for Capcom. As much as people like the X-Men, it's not the 90s anymore where the Avengers and other Marvel properties didn't have any popular media adaptations like the X-Men did and where we could just recycle Street Fighter Alpha sprites 20 times.

[@danielcraig9666]

Outside of Spider-Man, the X-Men are still the most popular Marvel Franchise even today despite the MCU.

[@brycebitetti1402]

@danielcraig9666 Are they? I mean, they're still big, but they're hardly on top of the world. The Avengers may not rule pop culture anymore, but their reign was far more recent, and there are more people around today who see them as the faces of Marvel over the mutants.

[@danielcraig9666]

@@brycebitetti1402 Deadpool and Wolverine...

[@djbubblegum9975]

​@@danielcraig9666That's different, though. Deadpool and Wolverine are popular on a level that far exceeds X-Men as a whole.

[@danielcraig9666]

@@djbubblegum9975 No, they're X-Men properties.

[@MarkLoweCEO]

MAJOR RESPECT for adding Jubilee. Makes no sense why a character with the power to charge and detonate atoms like Gambit can but with the force of nukes, and can do it even from a distance hasn't been playable. And that's just in her regular form. If they went with her depowered Wondra form, now she has a power suit that gives super strength, flight, temp invulnerability. And if we go with her Vampire form, super strength, speed, turning into mist, etc. If we go with her more matured regular form that we have currently in the comics, you can add a oversized full grown adopted Dragon to the lineup. A character with all that and one seriously amazing backstory including saving Wolverine from dying, should definitely be playable.

[@Mister_Prime]

Make Ryu like he was in MVC1, where he transforms into Ken and Akuma. That way you have space for someone else.

[@mikaelamonsterland]

exactly, idk why nobody thinks about this, it was the perfect way to have all those characters movesets represented without taking up all the work of having to model each of them out completely and they are all similar enough that it doesn't feel weird

[@mamba7160]

if it has a Smash Bros budget we could have both

[@JaemeelRobinson]

Hell no. Get rid of Akuma and put Ken.

[@Slayerofall21]

​@@JaemeelRobinson Better yet. Don't put Ken at all and get one of the new guys from 6

[@JaemeelRobinson]

@@Slayerofall21 better yet, put Ken, Terry and a new person from 6.

[@sebbbyyy.]

Max this has made me realize how much I want you to build a mugen. It would be awesome for you to build an entire crossover fighting game roster

[@SeelkadoomandJokic00]

Max, I love you. But that Marvel side is almost CvS levels of franchise bias. 3 had it best in the variety of at least spitting things up well.

[@fordesponja]

I like Miles and he can be very different from Peter, but Moon Knight is begging to do lvl 3 throw random shit.

[@comicking428]

@@fordesponja Keep Miles and have Moon Knight take up one of the 15 X-Men spots Max put in there.

[@SeelkadoomandJokic00]

@fordesponja I need Moon Knight to talk shit about Dracula oweing him money even though that panel isn't real. Or Luke Cage being pissed Doom never gave him the money he owes still.

[@NhBleker]

@@fordesponjaMiles could be an alternative skin for Parker’s Spider-Man.

[@fordesponja]

@@comicking428 The problem is those X-men are really core to the franchise and have different styles of combat. I don't have a problem with ditching Ken, Akuma and, to some extent, Sakura because they are all shotos, I'd rather have Demitri or Lilith over Ken any day of the week if we even have to put another shoto style character in his place. But who you take out of the X-men? They are a very varied bunch.

[@PaulGirdlestone]

Am I the only person in existence that has absolutely no interest in ever seeing Sentinel again? Can we not just maybe have the OG giant dumb one as a bonus stage boss or something? I would have taken Juggernaut, Collosus or almost any big Marvel character over him.

[@FLStyle]

If Marvel vs. Capcom 4 does become a thing, Lady D will be revealed as a main roster member in the original unveiling video. And Doctor Strange would be in it for his pre-match intro saying "Dormammu I've come to bargain" and Dormammu would just rage in reply.

[@H1_R3Z]

I know that the MvC original characters, like Ruby Heart and Amingo, are most definitely not coming back for base roster, but I would hope that at least one of them does make it in as dlc (probably Ruby, but my personal bias pick would be Sonson).

[@spoonimefan]

@@H1_R3Z : I sadly agree with you, though personally I'd pick Amingo to come back. A lot of things about him give off the kind of "light(er)-hearted fun" tone that a Phoenix Wright-type character can give, and I feel his moveset has enough variety to be interesting, but with the color pallets and style the VS games have taken lately I think it would be too much tonal dissonance.

[@Bubbabyte99]

SonSon is best girl

[@mikejonesnoreally]

o.o !! GIVE ME MAH MON-KEIGH!! >.< xD

[@1stCallipostle]

The last 5 SonSon enjoyers on earth seen gathering. Respect

[@xXSonTJXx]

Not having Ghost Rider is a crime

[@KirbyOnCronic]

Nobody cares about Nicholas Cage.

[@xXSonTJXx]

@@KirbyOnCronic man the hate lmao

[@maximumdeejay]

​@@KirbyOnCronic That shit is irrelevant

[@vaderoflocksley7238]

I want The Arisen. Give them the hybrid vocations and make them a summoner who commands the Pawns. Have the Pawns be the different basic vocations. Then you get this character who can set up and mix you with various combinations of weapon types and summons.

[@Dracobyte]

Or Tessa from Red Earth!

[@mikejonesnoreally]

@@Dracobyte Sure, that's BASICALLY the exact same thing but in an entirely similar universe! xD

[@PaleNightingale]

I feel like Max wants a roster that appeals to MVC fans rather than Marvel and Capcom fans

[@myriadmediamusings]

To be fair he is a fighting game savant first and foremost, so it is understandable even if it is also disappointing.

[@Potidaon]

Even as a "fighting game savant," his picks make for a boring game from a gameplay perspective. 9 shotos, lots of other overlaps (I love Gief and Haggar, but having both is redundant), very few creative picks that would have fun or unique fighting styles. The creative ones he did include are mainly from old games. And I say this as someone whose tastes and wishes are very well represented, at least on the Capcom side.

[@PaleNightingale]

​@myriadmediamusings im hyper into the FGC too but I also wouldnt make a list if I didn't know much about present Marvel iconography

[@Pendergast891]

Of those 2 which one will even know of, let alone buy and play the game?

[@DarkOverlord96]

Or, rather, a roster that appeals to people who only watched the 90s X-Men cartoon.

[@robertd4061]

Man, imagine a pre-match banter between Ed Falcon and Thanos where they’re both convinced one is after the other’s Power Stones. That kind of stuff is what makes these games for me.

[@mikejonesnoreally]

"I dunno it was some weird lookin' guy with a spandex red suit with a lightning bolt on it I swear, ask *him!"* xD

[@i8dacookies890]

Dude, they could do so many cool things with Loki's moveset!

[@nightwish1453]

They once thought of him for 3 but like mystique his powers aren’t really for combat heavy, morph is the closest functionally that works

[@WikiThis]

Closet thing we'd get to Shang Tsung in a Capcom fighter.

[@philypichu]

Personal pick of mine that should be in is Scarlet Witch. She’s incredibly popular right now. She’s an X-Men villain, Avengers hero, and a brand new female fighter, and probably has an install super 🌝

[@kalmakoffee]

If the next MVC doesn’t have Jack Baker summoning a car and doing donuts in his super then I don’t fucking want it

[@Bob_Chandler-1927]

He calls up Jack and the other Bakers

[@dee_dee4640]

Me who knows the recent failures that Disney and the MCU produce: Yeah no. I don't think it is a good idea for a new MVC game after how the Marvel and Disney movies fumbled.

[@satosabrino9209]

don't you mean Jack Baker? He is the one who drives Ethan's car. Joe Baker is Jack's brother, and he punches a lot

[@kalmakoffee]

@@satosabrino9209 dammit

[@gavo7911]

@@dee_dee4640Disney aren’t the ones who would actually make the game, dude. Disney has no hand in the video games besides giving permission to use the characters. And I’m not sure if you’ve noticed, but Marvel games are doing very well right now. Spider-Man 2, Guardians of the Galaxy, Midnight Suns, Marvel Rivals, etc.

[@brayenmorrison3199]

Ah heck yeah. Max's Build The Roster. Jeez that's a big ass roster. 10:22 So he does watch his videos cool.

[@Ronin-kk4bt]

Insane roster 🤣

[@dnmstarsi]

It definitely is. While it's definitely all about the faces, you can definitely argue that sometimes that's all you need especially when we would likely love these choices compared to an official one.

[@runningwithscissors8612]

No Scarlet Witch is kind of crazy

[@aryelrosa4829]

I hope she shows up in another Marvel vs Capcom game or even in a separate Marvel fighting game.

[@Beezurr]

DLC material

[@Dracobyte]

Or Ms. Marvel

[@Alexcobra861]

Scarlet witch VS Rose or menat or Tessa could be a good match up.

[@HOLLAifYouFEARme]

0:47 AGREED. i loved it and i released it after the thanos license snap. Its been so long Tony… dont go playing with time machines! 😂😂😂

[@Hoggogo]

Silly max, there’s already been an ultimate roster. It’s called *Ultimate* Marvel VS Capcom 3

[@myriadmediamusings]

The best VS series roster overall and I don’t care if the entire X-Men community is gonna throw food at me.

[@Paz-jv3rj]

Naaah there is no Venom, no Gambit, no Blade, no Cable, no Punisher, no Thanos for instance.

[@otsu3011]

love how his roster of marvel is 80% X-MEN

[@xerospades]

As much as i abuse Virgil and Wesker on my team. I wouldn't mind pairing them with Gambit or Ken :(

[@Slayerofall21]

@@xerospades Ken? Really? If you told me it was somebody like Gill, Urien or even Johan Petrovich, I'd understand, but Ken? Who is basically Blonde Ryu? We already have Akuma. The less shotos, the better

[@b1manley127]

I think Mr.Sinister for a big villain character would be interesting.

[@nightwish1453]

If they want to be obscure they could also use the sorceress Selene who is the oldest mutant to ever live

[@Protosilver97]

How about Knull (god of symbiotes) or Kang? These characters either have been team-up potential or have a relationship with multiversal/time travel. From the Capcom side, how about demon god Mundus?

[@1meen1]

I was thinking the same, him and Bastion(Nimrod) to promote XMen 97

[@Godzillabrawler]

"Frank West, WHO?" Max you're lucky I like you because that was uncalled for

[@lil_ursa]

He’s covered wars yknow!

[@Godzillabrawler]

​@@lil_ursaHonestly I very much remember some of the stuff in Tatsunoko vs Capcom more fondly, such as: "Deaaaad Rising! TO THE MOON!"

[@Slayerofall21]

I concur. Frank was a waste of space I don't give two fucks about yet another zombie survivor protagonist. You have the RE characters for that

[@redfox4220]

I had to legit take a deep breath of anger and cringe a bit, as a dead rising fan that hurt lol

[@redfox4220]

@@Slayerofall21dead rising deserves its spot with the other capcom characters.

[@SuperLegendOf364]

Pretty good list, but you can tell Max doesn't know much about Marvel outside of adaptations like the movies and previous MVC games. Also, there's no way the Marvel side won't have Rocket Racoon, Captian, and Ms. Marvel. As for the Capcom side? Max, they are literally remaking Dead Rising 1as we speak; people love Frank West.

[@Falcovsleon21]

No offense Max but that roster is kind of mediocre. Replace Sentinel with Apocalypse and cut down some of the X-Men reps for some new blood like say Ms. Marvel and Viv Vision for starters. Same deal with Capcom, too much Street Fighter. I'm gonna say the same thing I said during MvC3's hype: People who make rosters like this don't seem to really want more Marvel vs Capcom as much they just want more X-Men vs Street Fighter.

[@myriadmediamusings]

Or X-Men Vs Capcom lmao

[@Ghostface833]

Nobody wants Viv.

[@Gustavozxd13]

Yeah and too many characters from one single franchise. Like if we're gonna put MegaMan characters either go for tronn bonne and zero or something more interesting, like Volnutt and gba zero or exe MegaMan. But more than two or 3 characters per series is too much even for street fighter.

[@MistromLuthane]

Sentinel is too important. Hes made a name for himself massively throughout MVC's life. I agree with the rest

[@myriadmediamusings]

Eh I like Viv but I don’t think she has that level of fame yet to be part of the roster. Ms Marvel though even before her McU debut now that’s a different story.

[@Cyberlink420]

You know, Max says “no Inhumans“, but I’d personally swap out one of the X-Men vets for Crystal. Not just because it means getting one more Marvel team some representation, but because it fulfills the weirdo quotient he was talking about, plus I just like the idea of mixing people up using my giant teleporting dog striker.

[@garrettcarter5622]

Would rather have Medusa, personally.

[@YabukiShingo4]

20:29 - No, you need Phoenix Wright so that somebody can send me to jail for what I'm about to do to the person that said "Remove Phoenix Wright"

[@0li-0li28]

I’d want Invisible Woman and Reed there tbh they have potential for some rlly wacky and unique kits/fighting styles, plus more fantastic four rep for those two could be rlly great since most of the time Ben and Johnny get the spotlight

[@aarontaylor2072]

You made X-Men vs street fighter 2 and everyone else is dlc

[@thefvguy5648]

“Deep cuts are for Capcom” Yes Max, cause everyone knew who Taskmaster was when first playing Marvel 3.

[@myriadmediamusings]

So much to the point that when we got MCU Taskmaster, many were disappointed it wasn’t the one from MVC3. It’s Shuma-Gorath all over again.

[@thefvguy5648]

@@myriadmediamusings It goes to show that Max is really trying to making excuses on why Marvel’s should be mainstream. I think a majority of Marvel fans want their deep cut character in, it shouldn’t be regulated to only Capcom. A weird ass take from Max honestly.

[@myriadmediamusings]

@@thefvguy5648And this is why Max is good and fun to watch for fighting games and not as an online critic that understands the intricacies and importance of these characters outside the fighting game sphere.

[@AKAProm]

iirc Guardians and Doctor Strange weren't mainstream yet when Marvel 3 came out. I don't doubt they were already planned but, at least to me, I didn't know who these characters were lmao

[@Potidaon]

There were so many deep cuts in MvC3. Dormammu, S-Skrull, Modok, Taskmaster, Sentinel, Shuma, Iron Fist, Nova, Rocket. You could make a case for She-Hulk, Hawkeye, Strange and GR too. MvC:I was almost the near opposite of that.

[@hayseshouhda5730]

seeing this makes me so grateful Max doesn't decide the rosters in fighting games haha!

[@Jayden-zq6fj]

got to admit its better than mvci

[@bulb9970]

@@Jayden-zq6fj That's an extremely low bar tbh. MvC3 roster was way better than Max's and it had half the amount of characters.

[@anispidey]

​@bulb9970 kinda true but then again MvC3 didn't have Mega Man, so it wasn't perfect imo.

[@CapcomSwagg]

Fuck yeah, this roster is so nostalgia based and uninspired.

[@iraford5788]

Trust me, absolutely nobody's roster will ever be 100% perfect when it comes to Marvel vs Capcom, as there is just simply way too many characters from both sides to choose from.

[@fourstrings4164]

The Marvel vs Capcom 4 name bothers me. Like I know people want to forget Infinite, but it's still an entry in the series and using the 4 number seems almost spiteful against Infinite. I can also bet most people use 4 because Thorgi's Arcade did it first

[@imawesome2120]

TKO podcast brings back in Thorgi and you guys guys just conceptualize a mega MVC roster.

[@thefvguy5648]

No hate on Max AT ALL. But IDK if I can agree with a roster coming from someone who doesn’t read any Marvel comics.

[@yurifairy2969]

99% of the human race doesnt read comics, Marvel isnt just comics

[@landanross2966]

I’m pretty sure max’ only exposure to marvel is from the 90s cartoon and then previous mvc games. Goddamn the number of random X-men from the 90s cartoon that max thinks are essential, like half of them absolutely aren’t getting in lol

[@thefvguy5648]

@@landanross2966 I was so confused seeing Omega Red in there. Who the hell wants Omega Red??

[@myriadmediamusings]

@@landanross2966If nothing else he at least admits it, so there is something to be kinda respected for sticking with his opinions…even if it clashes horribly with this view he has of being a “Marvel VS Capcom expert”.

[@darknightspider7495]

​@@myriadmediamusings Expert on the MvC games, but definitely not Marvel itself

[@nintendude7913]

I hope in the next game (crazy to believe that it could happen) they do something similar to Smash Ultimate’s echo fighters. Then, Spider-Man could be either Peter or Miles, and some more characters can make the cut.

[@blingticocroes]

Shoutouts to Thorgi’s arcade build a roster, his editing style is elite

[@Zansatsu-0379]

Green Goblin, please...how have we not gotten more proper Spidey villains in this series except Venom? Doctor Octopus, Mysterio, Electro, the list goes on.

[@dropout818]

I'd prefer Hobgoblin honestly 🎃

[@Zansatsu-0379]

@dropout818 That's why alternate costumes are a good thing.

[@theotherjared9824]

I think a good idea is that every marvel character should have a capcom equivalent. Not necessarily clones, but thematic similarities. Trailers revealing both of them at once could be fun.

[@myriadmediamusings]

The new MVC collection art did it right what with the two Caps, Iron Man and Mega Man, and of course Ryu and Cyclops.

[@burningsexuality1540]

Blade trailer where he’s hunting down Dimitri

[@christianvazquez1835]

Daredevil - Phoenix Wright Shuma - Ingrid Storm - Rashid Black Widow - Jill/Regina/Ada Elsa - BB hood Werewolf by night - Jon Talbain Yeah

[@Alexcobra861]

​​​​​@@christianvazquez1835 Doctor strange - Tessa Donovan - Blade Hayato (star gladiator) - Star Lord Thor - Asura Ryu - Iron Fist Captain America - Guile Captain Commando - Iron man Silver Surfer - Michelle Heart Felicia - Black Cat Rose or menat - Scarlett witch Kraven - monster Hunter Katt (breath of fire 2) - Tygra Valkyrie - Nina Doctor Doom - m. bison thanos - Bilnstein (star gladiator) Vision - Zero Ultron - Sigma Elektra - Ibuki Hulk - Haggar Winter Soldier - Spencer Bionic Commando Galactus - Pyron Rolento - Batroc

[@myriadmediamusings]

​@@Alexcobra861Doctor Strange-Tessa would be so freaking dope.

[@Streek471]

Man, Max will not give Arthur anything if he can help it.

[@cowboydandank]

I wonder what Max thinks of MAXIMO.

[@Hiccuple]

Yeah, I don't get the Arthur hate. I love Arthur and would love a maximo rep.

[@bulb9970]

Max just really hates Arthur and Frank West for really dumb reasons

[@Potidaon]

Max not caring about some of Capcom's most important franchises is hilarious as a self-described "Capcom fan".

[@myriadmediamusings]

@@PotidaonThese contradictory statements and behavior from him is why it’s damn difficult to take him seriously as anything but a fighting game fan.

[@cristianpissai7563]

30:00 "For the normies" Saying that with OMEGA RED as DLC is crazy.

[@Trixster77]

What if they pull off a super smash bros ultimate everyone is here

[@marcoegrazy]

Nightcrawler and Magik better be in here... (love yer videos, Max!)

[@Bingo_the_Pug]

Lore-wise Nightcrawler isn’t really good at hand-to-hand combat. He just wouldn’t fit in MvC

[@sprucemoose13]

​@@Bingo_the_Pughe has those runs where he gets heavy into duel wilding swords

[@purplepurple9324]

@@Bingo_the_Pug sword

[@samb3514]

Magik/Silver Samurai are the must have sword characters for Marvel side. That being said, god I'd kill for Magik. Using her teleportation - Darkchilde form - Sorcery. She has so much potential.

[@gghappy5006]

@@Bingo_the_Pughe definitely is lol otherwise he wouldnt be an x men id argue colossus is less of a fighter then nightcrawler is

[@FrawgfithAmblose]

I want them to bring Charlie Nash back in his proper MvC2/ X-M Vs Sf / Alpha series form (not the weird zombie form state of the 3d sf games). Charlie was prominent as a character in Mvc2 and also he was in the first one in Shadow form so he absolutely is a legacy character .

[@Zauberdead]

You should have a betting roster with other youtubers and see who would get the most right when MvC 4 comes out.

[@jamesmurray4062]

I think X Men vs Street Fighter 2 should be the first game of the revival. Between X Men 97 and SF6's popularity it would be all killer no filler. Use assets from SF6. Make Spider Man DLC to get a taste of the expanded Marvel Universe and get everyone hyped for Marvel 4 in the future.

[@Tek195]

💯 agree I’d actually prefer that game tbh. X-men is by far my favorite way ahead of any other marvel property & I only care about SF & nothing else capcom related. Even though there’s a few on here complaining I think many think like me those two franchises started the crossovers!!

[@myriadmediamusings]

Im definitely all for this. Less roster controversies, less restrictions, and more opportunities for both to be represented with all their eras.

[@Neoxon619]

@@myriadmediamusings There's one restriction: Nobody but Sony can make X-Men-specific games until 2035. Likewise, while you *CAN* include X-Men characters in Marvel-wide games, they can't make up the majority of said roster.

[@anthonyj9226]

​@Neoxon619 Unfortunately sony isn't making an x-men game until 2030 so I don't see why they even have the rights now if they wanted to wait that long. Just frustrating for players.

[@YouCalledForTheDoc]

@@anthonyj9226Wolverine

[@DarkOverlord96]

I'm gonna guess that the Marvel side is gonna be 85% X-Men and almost next-to-no Avengers.

[@myriadmediamusings]

Yep it most definitely is. Look I know people adore their 90s nostalgia and the mutants are on an upswing thanks to X-Men 97 and Deadpool & Wolverine. I love the X-Men as much as the next person with X-Men VS Street Fighter as the one I’m most excited for in the collection, but gosh darn it they do not take up all of Marvel. And yes MVCI massively screwed up with the X-Men exclusion because of copyright nonsense but that does not mean the next MvC has to be the inverse of it as some divine retribution.

[@dnmstarsi]

​@@myriadmediamusings I agree. Marvel vs Capcom should be that and IMHO, we shouldn't have a good chunk of the roster be dedicated to the 90s crowd who were too into mutants and SF. It's probably why I favor MvC3's roster over MvC2's and Infinite's.

[@myriadmediamusings]

@@dnmstarsiUMVC3 I agree is the best overall roster that gives a pretty good encapsulation of Marvel’s and Capcom’s respective histories. The rosters of the 90s games were good for their time but now in the 2020s with both companies having so much under them now, it’s gonna be so damn difficult making a roster that’s gonna try to balance things.

[@omegazer0800]

​​@@myriadmediamusings Exactly this, the Marvel side of the roster has to be balanced and include some underrated characters too, that's what makes the UMVC3 roster so great, you get the popular characters from the most important sides of Marvel (Avengers, X-Men, Fantastic Four, Spider-Man related characters) and then you also get Nova, Taskmaster, Iron Fist, Shuma Gorath, She-Hulk, Rocket Raccoon, etc

[@olikuma3567]

​@@omegazer0800I think Marvel Rivals does a pretty good job at balancing representations with popular and odball characters. Something like that would be great in a new MVC

[@chwenhoou]

For the Marvel vs Capcom 4 roster, I would take a page from Professor Thorgi. Split the 60 characters down the middle, 30 for Marvel and 30 for Capcom. Then split those in half for 15 returning characters and 15 new characters. It would not be easy to decide who stays and who goes. But the challenge would make some fascinating rosters.

[@IXHebiXl]

I actually think this would have been a great way to tackle making the roster

[@vinizio6396]

There's too much Street Fighter... I mean, Street Fighter is already a Fighting Game

[@DarkAura19]

I think Harp Note from Mega Man Starforce would honestly be a solid pick for a Mega Man rep. Japan had a surprisingly big push for her during MvC3, and even without Starforce getting a game in so long, she still got into the top 10 of the most popular Capcom Females for Japan in the recent poll. Of all the Roll-adjacent characters the series has had, she's definitely the most standout. Starforce is also in that ripe era of the perfect time people start getting nostalgic for it, which even Capcom seems to be leaning into a bit with merch lately. She'd also iust have really fun moveset potential. It's hard to justify her over a large chunk of the overall Mega Man series, but I still think she'd just make a solid "fan" pick. Why no, my avatar does NOT show an innate bias, whatever do you mean, you're craaaazy.

[@emperormegaman3856]

I'd love to get Harp Note in a game, but even if I have to be objective and pick someone else, I still think it's time for the RPG side of Megaman to get a representative in a crossover. MegaMan.EXE would work, or if we assume that we're getting classic Mega Man and don't want two blue buster guys, Bass.EXE to represent the edgy rival side. (with Zero being the representative for the red "Protoman" type).

[@DarkAura19]

​@@emperormegaman3856 EXE 100% has every right to get in and SHOULD be in, but if it's a case of "too many Mega men" so that they need to pick a side character, I just feel Harp Note is the pick.

[@s.p.d.magentaranger1822]

(Reads the comment) (Looks up at PFP) (Raises eyebrow)

[@mimszanadunstedt441]

Since they made Phoenix Wright (and should still include them) with a novel strategy to gameplan, it'd be cool if they added a rhythm element to her.

[@LordlyWeeb]

Based Starforce enjoyer

[@danielbarnes1241]

Desperately need Jon Talbain in new content. The fact that he's consistently been top 3 or 4 Darkstalkers and never gets into anything is insane. No fighting games, no collabs, bro wasn't even in Project XZone but fuckin Pyron was??? Who looks at karate werewolf man who shoots fire dragons and goes "no thank you"

[@princejax2748]

I need Demitri personally.

[@brandonwilliams6119]

I hate how Jedah, X and Sigma were wasted on MVCI I hope they get another shot in a better game.

[@princejax2748]

@@brandonwilliams6119 Agreed!

[@tailsBOOM1992]

@@princejax2748 Demitri would require them to model an extra model for every character thanks to Midnight Bliss

[@X2011racer]

​​@@tailsBOOM1992 Or do what Capcom Fighting Evolution did and make the transformations generic instead of character specific.

[@pokeman5699]

I made this observation when I was younger and it still holds up: Fanmade MvC rosters NEVER have an objectively good balance of character picks. (mind-blowing, i know) While it's all very subjective in the end, it's blatant when the fanmade roster was put together by either a Capcom/Fighting game fan or a genuine comic book fan.

[@pokeman5699]

A Capcom side either has beloved classic characters from throughout Capcom's history; or has picks exclusively limited to modern mainstream titles that are only popular today. A Marvel side either has timeless iconic heroes and quintessential villains with unique powers each; or it has Miles on it.

[@landanross2966]

@@pokeman5699cmon don’t hate on miles, miles has unique spiderman powers they could do stuff with

[@nightwish1453]

@@landanross2966while that’s true the physicality being so dang similar is what hurts the most

[@yrh002b8]

​@@nightwish1453agreed. It's not that miles is not unique but he is in the same category as a shoto, like Ryu and Ken. Both have similar backbone but with some differences. To me you either pick the 3 Spidey, Miles and Venom and leave out Carnage or swap him with Venom or Miles.

[@darknightspider7495]

True, Max even acknowledges that after he finished it, you can tell that it's a roster made by a Capcom fan with only surface level knowledge of Marvel. The actual devs would probably be able to make a rather balanced list. Fun to see what people come up with, though.

[@UltraKenstinct]

Would love to see Jedah back he was fun as hell to play as.

[@GamerChris64]

I know you don't like Frank but Dead Rising deserves to be in here

[@Saint.Cosmos]

Chuck Greene plz.

[@myriadmediamusings]

@@Saint.CosmosDo what Injustice does with the alt costumes being unique with voices, animation and dialogue, that way we can get Chuck in here.

[@crashbandigames96]

@@myriadmediamusings no chuck is his own character hes nothing at all like frank.

[@thedarkderp2520]

@@crashbandigames96 in terms of moveset they're too similar which is why i agree woth that other guy make him a palette swap with different voice lines and ta da you satisfy everyone

[@crashbandigames96]

@@thedarkderp2520 no they arent in terms of moveset chuck has a completely different set of skills than frank has.

[@dakotaward8792]

I'd add Maximo to get back that ghost and goblins rep.

[@StripesWaterkat]

Thank you so much for putting Nightcrawler and Jon Talbain in the roster. Its been absolutely criminal that they have not been in any of the fighting games.

[@shamirroque9262]

Max I want to personally thank you for adding daredevil to this list which boosts his chances of actually being in by some type of margin. He's been my favorite hero since I was a kid

[@sadsausage7808]

I will not buy an MVC game without ghost rider

[@FluffyGomez]

The only reason why I'd take classic Mega Man over X is to see the interactions Zero would have with Classic Mega Man

[@GenerallDRK]

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[@cordellriemer5177]

The lack of Tron Bonne is disgusting

[@mimszanadunstedt441]

Hayato is a good one ig.

[@GoodWitchKirby]

YES! Someone else who wants Moon Girl and DD! Also, Bass.EXE is a based pick.

[@nongtles]

Fuck no lol you dont even put Morrigan in capcom side dude

[@giloguy101]

Noticing a distinct lack of Asura here.

[@sterlingdragon123]

"how many new characters" is funny to count up that way, I get you're looking at it in terms of resource management, asset reuse, etc, but the actual answer across the whole series is like 7 Marvel 8 Capcom in base game...