Man Who Escaped Justice for 25 Years Writes Letter Explaining Motive | Lisa Ziegert Case Analysis

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[@exceptionaltalentspc4954]

I love that you articulate each word so clear and perfect that I'm able to understand everything you say. English is not my native language and I struggle even when watching movies. This is one of the many reasons why I appreciate you, Dr. Grande.

[@Linda98671]

I’m glad you say that, I am hard of hearing and I can hear every word clearly enunciated by Doctor Grande’ …

[@renee1961]

It's Terrifying that a guy can walk into a store, instantly become Obsessed with a Woman, then Commit these Horrible Crimes!! Poor Lisa!🥀🥀🥀🙏🙏🙏🕊️🕊️🕊️

[@dwaynemcallister7231]

So true...unfortunately this has happened too may times over the years...criminally defective humans I guess.

[@commonsense2680]

So many such monsters are never caught! So horrible for the families to have no closure. But I also always wonder what went through the hearts of minds of those poor victims in their last moments, so full of horror and dread, no one should die like that. Even when they execute people for crimes, they first put them to sleep before the final kill shot.

[@trippmoore]

Gary's ex told police that he just may be the lunatic you're looking for, but the cops ignored her and he remained free for the longest time.

[@dahliacook3983]

Yes bc if police investigated every single tip with unfounded evidence nothing would ever get done.

[@awi1316]

@@dahliacook3983They get nothing done anyway, might as well believe women

[@stephanieweinberg9633]

​@dahliacook3983 understandable, but she had a music box purchased from the store! They should have at least put surveillance on him for dna

[@quietstorm6553]

This is what happens when you call the police for ever little thing. It's impossible to take you seriously.

[@BennyTherat]

​​@@dahliacook3983you're a fool

[@dennisdesmarais7944]

I live in Agawam , MA on route 75 about a half mile from the retail/card shop. For years it was disturbing this case went unsolved and there was the possibility that a killer could still be in the community. It was also heartbreaking knowing her family had no closure or justice. Sad he did not get the help he needed before this heinous crime.

[@donnajohnson3155]

I’m from AGAWAM and recall the horrific murder of Lisa.

[@Alicia-yh6kc]

Also, from Agawam approximately one mile from where she was found. He vicously brutalized the poor girl. Thank God the police were meticulous in their investigation, especially in their evidence collection.

[@scottdavidson526]

I'm very familiar with Agawam. I've actually been through most of the state of Massachusetts. When this crime was committed, I was living in Brattleboro, VT. They talked about the news, and then Unsolved Mysteries televised this case. They finally caught this guy. It's good to see that Lisa's killer was finally brought to justice.

[@davidwartski7213]

He left the letters for his girlfriend because he wanted to tell her about it, and he was starting to feel the pressure. He might have considered movin' out of the area to be a big shot in Allentown, Vienna or even Zanzibar, but he knew he could never prove he was an innocent man. For 25 years, he managed to adhere to his own code of silence, but don't ask me why. Finally, honesty prevailed. And so it goes.

[@LaniLanilei]

He was a coward that's why.

[@kjean8605]

Lol as a life long Billy Joel fan, I loved how he slipped in so many songs that you might not have noticed if you aren’t a fan of Billy Joel. But I think you might have topped him here 😂. You have listed many of my favorites. 👏🏻

[@daveyoder9231]

Booo! Hiss!! Where are you from, man? Miami, 2017??? You have too many songs in your attic!

[@trippmoore]

His ex tried to warn the cops that he just may be the lunatic you’re looking for, but they ignored her and he remained free for the longest time.

[@davidwartski7213]

@@trippmoore You may be right.

[@1stcal11-b2]

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Plz be encouraged: if you are able to listen to this and have it help you hold conversations, you may be brighter than you think! It's possible that you have a learning challenge or processing challenge that has little to do with your intelligence. Unfortunately friends your age and above are known to have fallen through educational cracks and were often told they were "stupid" along the way. Unless you've had an intelligence test, there is no need to believe that. Knowing you learn better auditorally is a wonderful compensation for whatever is going on. Our brains are complex. Cheers!

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The way he formats his videos with the timelines and then goes into analyzing it, is definitely unique. You seem intelligent with the way you wrote your comment...do you know how many guys can't even spell easy words? My 42 year old brother asked me how to spell "begging" the other day 😂 by no means does that make him stupid...he is not. I'm just sayin..

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Don't worry, none of us are 100% anymore. Not me anyway :)

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Bless your dear humble heart! I suspect you may be a lot smarter than you seem to think.

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[@davidconnorsands]

That ending might have been my favorite yet Dr. Grande. Incredible Billy Joel allusions. Thanks for the insight as always.

[@dissidentfairy4264]

I can't even imagine what it would be like to be Noelle in a relationship with a man who was capable of such a heinous act. She must have felt shock, disillusionment, disgust, and immense regret for all of the years she had wasted on him. The fact that he didn't kill again and felt remorse doesn't exonerate him of this horrendous crime. I feel bad for Lisa and her family.

[@whittenaw]

Agreed. I do find it a bit strange that it was a one off though

[@DottieMinerva]

I was thinking that too. My skin would crawl at the thought.

[@johnhawthorn5393]

He wouldn't have s*x with her. He was prob more disgusted with her than vice versa. He just didn't wanna be alone.

[@SirenaSpades]

I think horror would be the word

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[@glendasully]

I've never heard of this case before. Thank you for covering it. I feel so sad for this sweet girl and her family

[@mrooz9065]

Great video as usual Dr. Grande. On a separate note would you please consider making video or short about how and why such diverse types of schizophrenia can be classified as one disease.

[@scottricci5063]

It's interesting how SA and homicidal fantasies can plague someone much to their torment and they are able to resist them until they meet a certain person by chance. No other woman was at risk, only that specific person. Something about this victim was enough to compel the assailant to surrender to his fantasies and act. Something specific. And then, no one after. Trippy.

[@darkwoods1954]

Hard to imagine he only committed the one crime like that then never again in the 25 years since.

[@TheBOG3]

They're referred to as "One and done killers." There's a show about it on the ID channel that's on Discovery+

[@JordanBarronWolfe]

It’s possible he committed other kidnappings or murderers, but only confessed to the one he knew there was evidence for.

[@carriefawcett9990]

1992 is 31 years

[@darkwoods1954]

@@carriefawcett9990 Was he free till the last few weeks?

[@theprotector1234567]

It must be strange to have an extremely life changing experience like murdering someone and not being able to talk about it

[@renee1961]

Prayers for Lisa, and her Family 🥀🥀🥀💔💔💔🙏🙏🙏🕊️🕊️🕊️

[@MJFish]

The Billy Joel references! I love it!

[@gailkelly4651]

Hello Dr Grande....nice to see you. I'm doing some catching up with you. I feel sad for the families of kidnapped/murdered love ones when the case goes cold and they pass never knowing what happened to their loved ones. Thank you for your analysis of this case. You always have such interesting views of these cases. Thank you ❤️

[@lemonstealinghorsdoeuvre]

Doc! You should do an episode on Don Limon, the recent remarks, the on air meltdowns, the resurfaced video, and maybe that pajama outfit or whatever outfit it was that sent people off the deep end. It seems like a target rich environment for puns about low hanging fruit and how lemons are sour and all that

[@jimc.goodfellas]

Haha yes

[@joseignaciorodriguez1207]

Lemon is very popular in my town in summer lemonade

[@Aaron-kj8dv]

Yeah he acts like a teenage girl, you ever see his response when Colbert made a joke about his suit or something? It was like "I have a great sense of humor" through the tears.

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Are you talking about the black CNN guy that gets offended by Everything?

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[@thelocalmaladroit8873]

In one moment Gary gave in to his impulse and in that moment Lisa lost her life. So senseless. (Every time I hear “A Matter of Trust “ I always think it’s about Christie Brinkley.) Thanks, Doc.

[@karenpearson6991]

There should never be only one person working in a shop.

[@Neilsowards]

In a small shop there is not enough profit to have two people always on duty.

[@karenpearson6991]

@@Neilsowards It's basic safety. I would not work in a shop on my own. When I worked in retail we were not even allowed to open up on our own. There had to be two people. Even tiny shops should have two people at all times.

[@Ezoangelofdeath]

LOL I thought on the Billy Joel reference you were about to go with Only The Good Die Young, so glad you went with I Go To Extremes.

[@jwise209]

Those Billy Joel refs at the end almost flew over my head and i'm not even a huge fan lmao well played

[@LavaLahaie]

He felt the need to tell her about it, with that brief moment of honesty. Perhaps brought on by all the pressure. Only the good die young, so let’s hope Gary spends the longest time possible behind bars. Shaboom 😎

[@LavaLahaie]

Great minds think a like. 😌

[@myzguidance369]

Your Billy Joel medley is superb!

[@brianb7869]

Batman t-shirts? more like 'Buttman' or Joey Buttafouco Buttafucco Joe eeee Buttafucco

[@mc26collum]

Appreciate your thoughful arrangement of Billy Joel hits. That's why you are my favorite channel.

[@VeeLondon1449]

Lisa’s life was cut short. Due to the intrusive thoughts of a sick man. I’m glad he was caught and that Lisa and her family received justice though late, was served.

[@andreasrau2161]

Good morning, Dr. Grande! It's odd that Gary would swallow ibuprofen in an attempt to commit suicide and then check into a hospital. It's unfortunate that a man, obviously damaged goods from an early age, who had no previous criminal history snapped and gave into his darkest dreams (only once). Once was enough, and he felt guilt for the rest of his life until the police finally were able to close in on him. He gave up and was willing to pay for his crime, but that wouldn't make everything all right. Lisa is dead. Thanks for sharing.

[@lostandfound5145]

He said outright that he was a coward. That is why he was so pathetic about his “suicide attempt”. It was just an act. He was trying to look remorseful, even though he really never was all that remorseful. He was ultimately selfish and cowardly. And while he knew it was wrong, he was weak and failed to improve himself. Pathetic excuse of a man. His foster parents failed pretty massively

[@tridoc99]

Your dead pan Billy Joel references are on point. Now if you could have worked in a reference to “Zanzibar,” that would have been extra impressive.

[@Cat-qo3ht]

I grew up in Agawam, MA. (short 'a' pronounced like "wag-uh-wahm") I already graduated High School by the time this happened. I always wondered why this case couldn't be solved for so long.

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Hello, Doctor Grande !!! --I'm here to watch this video --and it sounds fascinating even in the first 1 minute of the story!! Thank You !! ☺ 👍

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Happy Friday from 🇦🇺 Dr G ! Enjoy your weekend 🤩 thank you for another great video- we are so lucky !!

[@zenawarrior7442]

Like the matter of trust & river of dreams references🎼 Good analysis again with interesting details. Thanks Dr G😊💟💟

[@ShimmeringPilgrim]

Gary had to flee because he knew the police were Getting Closer. He told his girlfriend, im Movin' Out. FYI: these are also the names of Billy Joel songs.

[@nomeinthecottage4767]

Thank you for covering New England cases!

[@jimc.goodfellas]

What's great about his videos is you could watch them all the time and never catch the bit, and it would still be interesting and informative

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Thanks Dr. Grande! Another interesting case. I do appreciate your channel so much. All the best to you and your family. 🙂💕

[@helpyourcattodrive]

My mom worked in Agawam as her last job all through my teenage years … the ag in Agawam rhymes w nag, hag, rag. Agawam. At least that’s how everyone around there pronounces it. I grew up w it. We lived in west springfield, next door to Agawam. My brothers and other family still live in west springfield. I live in the Los Angeles area.

[@BellaLeoLicorice]

Anyone else can't stop singing "longest time"?

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Deep cuts, Dr. Grande! This needs to be a playlist. Masterfully weaving-in of all those song titles.

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Just in time for bed 🎉! Thank you Dr. Grande!

[@LaniLanilei]

Can't wait for the Lori Daybell trial and your analysis. Lori said she won't be convicted. Where did I hear that before. I know. Jody Arias.

[@LadyOfMaine]

I’m from Springfield. People blamed this crime on the son of Agawam’s police chief right up until the crime was solved. By the way, it’s Agawam, like agriculture. Some people refer to it as “Dragawam.” Not me, I’d never do that.😊

[@bedlambikes]

I'm local as well. The police chiefs family name and his son's character was dragged thru the mud for 2 decades and his was truly innocent all along. Crazy.

[@Alicia-yh6kc]

Early on, the police knew Ed was not responsible. They were roommates and great friends. Sadly the rumors persisted for a long time. It really took a toll on him. Of recent, he's looking better.

[@ya_boi3332]

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[@scarlettphoenix7024]

Love all the Billy Joel quotes -. So subtle and perfect.

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[@shadw4701]

It's kind of ironic that a guy named gary would have a fear of being cloned

[@Asthmaticape]

GARY!

[@Asthmaticape]

Gary?

[@jamesjacocks6221]

These rare cases where a murderer feels remorse and ultimately confesses are interesting. With many killers there is no regret or moral compunction but in a few cases it almost seems that the killing was an aberration, a deflection from a life pathway. In this case the grief and guilt seem to be a moral revulsion for the act. I wonder about people who can teeter on such a fine fulcrum. Most of us are rooted to morality more substantially. I feel that fantasy is a strong driver for these "accidental murderers." I feel that in rare cases fantasy can be a drug of choice, that it can transform a user into a monster, in a wink. It would be interesting if Dr. Grande would explore the signs of harmless fantasy and of unhealthy fantasy.

[@ember1794]

I thought he probably bought the music box to get closer to her, interact with her in an "innocent" fashion 🤢 and spy out the situation. These guys usually prowl around some to edge themselves closer and closer to the prey 🤢

[@phulanadethal]

*You may be right* Doctor Grande, *Honesty* is the best policy

[@malaika4960]

A lot of people were accusing their former lovers of kill*** her! What types of relationships are these? 💀💀💀🙆🏾‍♀️

[@daveyoder9231]

This video was at least as informative as a walk down 52nd Street. Loved all the Billy Joel references, but also found the story interesting.

[@jeffd9782]

Everybody's talkin bout the new sound funny but it's still rock and roll to me.

[@daveyoder9231]

@@jeffd9782 Amen, brother!

[@growing.grounds4054]

Dr grande you were special in this bud the way you articulated this story was magical.

[@lnc-to4ku]

Very disturbing, chilling yet fascinating case! You always provide information that educates me (us) on so many mind-bending human behaviors!

[@morganneher8643]

Thank you for not bringing, “Only The Good Die Young” Into this Dr. Grande 🙏🏻 🙏🏻 🙏🏻

[@catnewskawai9367]

This case was featured on the old Unsolved Mysteries show. Gary called a confession line and said he "struck up a friendship" with Lisa and that he killed her after an "argument" but didn't want to turn himself in because the state had the death penalty.

[@justjamie333]

@DrGrande Wish you’d use your orange light more often,it looks really nice with your skin tone. Always love your analysis 😊

[@manewland1]

Thanks, as always, Dr. Grande!

[@higgaroc]

the Billy Joel song titles in here are the best low-key dad jokes ever. Classic Dr. G!

[@robinmaynard1640]

I'm curious why a search warrant was granted just based on an accusation from a disgruntled ex. You indicated this was the case with several of the suspects. While this did allow the police to find Gary it does seem unfair that a search warrant was granted.

[@scottricci5063]

It is quite disconcerting though how unsolved murders of females generate alot of male suspects by vindictive women .

[@markspitzok3064]

Wow... A murderer with empathy for his actions... A rare bird Many people have kinky fantasy but do not act upon them... the fact that he did says something. I wonder what he was thinking when he committed this act... Was it like his fantasy, or was it the fact that it wasn't that caused him not to commit another such crime. I believe he was following the case so closely afterwards was only to see if they were on to him...he may have been feeling extremely guilty too. Just the fact he stabbed this child to death says something about him... something very dark deep within

[@trippmoore]

You can’t really have empathy for your actions. Even still, empathy is something you have for someone else, not yourself. I think remorse is the word you are looking for in that sentence. Also, just because someone murders another it doesn’t necessarily mean they lack empathy. That would be a characteristic of a psychopath, and while there is a higher percentage of psychopaths among people that have committed murder versus those that haven’t it’s not the case that all murderers are psychopaths. It Depends on how you analyze the data, but generally speaking a about 1% of the total population is a psychopath. Among those that have been convicted of murder the number is somewhere between. 27% and 34%. So up to 3/4ths of murderers in prison have the capacity to have empathy for others. I hope that clears it up.

[@btetschner]

Great Billy Joel references at the end, especially the last one (For The Longest Time)! Gary wasn't going to give up until he did not have any other reasonable choice, and I don't believe he had any intention of committing suicide. When a person doesn't seem to connect with other people, it would be easy to start to resent those around him/her.

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👋 Doc!! You're the best!! Are you close to Cleveland? I'm in great shape mentally (I mean I quite comfortable with my umm - idiosyncrasies!) - but heck I'd come get a few treatments! I think you'd be a fantastic therapist!!

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oof thirst! Hey, I'm single too, Dr. G

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[@laura121684]

All of the Billy Joel song title references have me cackling. Your sense of humor is top-notch Dr Grande!

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Love you Dr. Grande! Your videos are the best way to close out an stressful day!

[@arinerm1331]

Loved all the Billy Joel song titles, Dr. Grande! Now I'll go update my playlist.

[@scottdavidson526]

I remember when this happened. I was living in Brattleboro, VT, at the time. They ended up profiling this case on Unsolved Mysteries. I didn't think they'd ever solve this case, but they finally arrested and convicted the perp.

[@SeanFromTX]

I was in the California foster care system for several years in the early 70s and have never murdered anyone 😎👍

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And keep it that way!

[@anonymousstrangeness7348]

Well just for the record, I have never murdered anyone either.. ...Just sayin'...

[@Byzmax]

Great video as always. Your insight and expertise make for great videos but you went above and beyond with the Billy Joel references, Outstanding

[@sngray11]

I remember this case. I always learn something new from your insights and analysis of these cases, so thank you for educating all of us Dr. Grande.

[@Sunchild_26]

Can’t wait for your Alec murdaugh update analysis 🧐 wonder what you think about the murders now

[@suzimonkey345]

It would be fascinating to see what % of people refuse to give dna in different countries & cultures…

[@InceRumul]

Loved the rapid-fire Billy Joel references. Took me a moment to catch on.

[@loiskondo8349]

I like your lines from Billy Joel songs! Informative and entertaining!

[@mattpeters4700]

The bit in this one had me in stitches.

[@suzimonkey345]

Thank you!

[@jaychild78]

I remember this case on “Unsolved Mysteries” I was in middle school 🏫 and it terrified me.

[@christopherconwell7271]

Excellent Analysis Dr. Grande.

[@truckerprincess4383]

Love the Billy Joel references u r so funny . I sing go to extremes for karaoke 🎤

[@grantp4022]

Of all the subjects that were suspected of potentially being the killer, and who would "not" submit their DNA, they should have been put under surveillance and their garbage collected, (and pop cans etc) and had their DNA checked that way. This guy could have potentially got away, and it's not right. There was only 30 or so to follow up on.

[@soylainglesaloca5308]

I guess he had finally come to a point where he realised he could not control his dark thoughts anymore Have you ever read "without Concience" by Dr Hare?

[@venderstrat]

Billy Joel loves this.

[@tracyking5945]

Good Evening Dr. Grande. ❤️ I submit in every skit you fit the bit. You never quit! As you sit, we knit a moonlit outfit. You do it while we cool it. I must admit you befit your quick wit. You’re no counterfeit. 🕊️🤗👍

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Tracy stay off chat gtp lol...

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What is IT with you?

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I live in NJ and love Jazz

[@meredithszymanski4720]

I don’t know that age group of your audience, but just in case it got missed by the majority, that ended was phenomenal! 🎶 🤩

[@KristenRowenPliske]

At least he found some Honesty but (he) Did Start The Fire. I enjoyed those references.

[@helpyourcattodrive]

Maybe Massachusetts has something to do w it, the fact that he didn’t do it again, etc. I’m from there. Literally, right there in that area. It’s pretty mellow.

[@HerestheT]

Thanks Dr. Grande

[@nasrisaleh4162]

Great work Dr. Grande...by the way, I saw your cousin singing live concert

[@dila4834]

Who's his cousin? Ariana?

[@ND-or5so]

I was talking about "in the beginning, it was said "the murder" not, "the rape and murder." Since when did rape not be included in the beginning? If it was not talked about in detail, no one would know what really happened would they? Most ĺikely not.

[@brianb7869]

Bravolo again Doctor Grande!

[@Jamesssssssssssssss]

As a minority I always feel nervous when around the police. I think the fact that I was undocumented for a majority of my childhood, the left somewhat of a fear. So I would never think anything about someone trying to avoid the police. It's just trying to avoid trouble in my mind.

[@naturalwoman3552]

Strange that when we are kids, we think police are the coolest ppl on Earth next to Firefighters...cops used to come to my school and talk to us, I graduated from the D.A.R.E. program in 6th grade and still have my junior deputy certification, I felt safe knowing that the guys in blue were there to protect me, but now as an adult I look at them as if they are some kind of paranormal entity bc of the brutality that most of them afflict on ppl here in America...not all cops are bad, but it's hard trying to figure out which one is good nowadays.

[@wsidechris]

An Innocent Man by Billy Joel is one of my favorite songs of all time!

[@bak6194]

We've got to be around the same age in order for me to catch all of the Billy Joel songs you threw in there lol Well done

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Nice work with the Billy Joel songs Dr. Grande.

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I come for the thoughtful insights and I stay for the sick Billy Joel themed burnage 🔥🔥🔥

[@brendalee6983]

What about ocd with intrusive thoughts