Marathon Will Cost $40 (My Thoughts)

Today, we're going through an article from The Game Post covering an announcement revealing that Marathon may cost $40. We went over everything and gave our thoughts on the matter.
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[@torvasdh]

$40 up front, $20 skins, $10 weapon skins, battle pass introduced 1-2 months after release. Im calling it.

[@neogauntlet1008]

good thing you never have to buy any of that shit. idk what peoples obsession with cosmetics is

[@torvasdh]

@@neogauntlet1008 Because it's player expression and a form of gameplay that has been slowly stripped away for profit. Customization is a big reason I even play games. It let's me insert myself into other worlds by expressing my own style. There's a reason Sims CC is so popular. People like creating. Now it's just $20 templates that have no individuality and force you to pay to look how you want.

[@cerebralassassin2185]

That's literally ever game ever now lol

[@SpottedHares]

I put my money on the season battle pass being at launch.

[@jakerodriquez4366]

"I'm calling it" - shaxx

[@JabbahDaHood]

Ok, imagine this: you are hunting for your stuff and all, and suddenly good old Drifter appears in the skybox and yells "cabal on the field" and drop pods start slamming to the ground

[@imSovi]

This doesn’t sound cool

[@moopersworthninjason42nd81]

Damn I just want the game to fail, you straight up wanna kill it by adding gambit lmao

[@mini_6-50]

Does the bungie twist mean that there is a 20% chance an employee gets layed off every time you boot up the game ?

[@TJM990]

I think they intend for it to be that "thing" they do that makes the game feel like drugs to play. Like how everyone hails Destiny's gunplay as some grace by God. (Which kinda makes it overrated) Or Halo's monumental impact on FPS as a whole.

[@kinggoku56]

I think thats what happens whenever you boot up something from Microsoft

[@johnny44937]

And for every employee u lay off pete gets a new car

[@InvokeZero]

BRUH

[@GainingDespair]

No probably self revives

[@KnightKoR]

4:50 Cross acting like he hasn't played it already 😅

[@Alexshik12]

He basically gave us his version of winky face. 😉😉

[@DanielRodriguez-jp8ul]

I knooooow, you can tell so easyly he has played already xD

[@ThomasTheTankEngine22]

Starts at $40. And then they'll make it F2P and start removing content. Then they'll put their effort into $20 skins instead of content

[@renegadejagd758]

surprised pikachu

[@hellkaiser1366]

The fact that Destiny players cant talk shit about other games just because of content vault is so funny,because there actual people defending it like bro 💀 I am stupid but I aint that stupid,you cant come and tell my the sky is red,I am looking at it its blue,so you cant tell my that eliminating content is good,I am looking at it,it aint good

[@YunaMay314]

First step is not buying marathon. Bungie has terrible history with D2. I expect it to be the same or worse due to drops in D2 player base

[@pooPbutwhole]

Then they take all that money to abandon marathon to work on a new game

[@Over_9000]

damn you beat me to it lol i was gonna same the same

[@LateNightHalo]

I cannot stress enough-40 dollars is fine if the game is worth the asking price and is a game players actually want ala Helldivers 2. Concord didn’t fail because it was 40 dollars. Even a F2P concord would have not done well. Nobody wanted concord.

[@Jet-ij9zc]

A f2p concord did fail. The f2p beta had less players than the paid beta

[@haydencantthink]

Concord failed for a variety of reasons. A $40 price tag was the biggest blow. I think the game could've survived if it were F2P. It wouldn't have done well, hell it still would've been considered a failure but at least it would've survived

[@jamezlatrax9713]

I have no idea why everyone is suddenly acting like Concord is the only $40 game ever to release

[@vruxdrossgaming]

$40, $20 for cosmetics, $10-$20 Battle Pass. That's why people are giving it backlash.

[@jamezlatrax9713]

@@vruxdrossgaming Helldivers 2 was $40 with battlepasses and a cosmetics store too

[@cameronq8343]

Oh, Bungie wont call them seasons. They will innovate by opening a thesaurus and choosing a different word.🤓

[@DiguisedDog]

episodes maybe? 🤓

[@stormtroop3016]

This time it’ll be chapters lol

[@LVEMRE]

😂😂😂 Bungie gonna be like (insert trailer to fade out) "Epoch 1" coming next fall $49.99. Pre-order $59.99 and get access to this weapon. (nerfed 1 week in)

[@henram36]

Chapters

[@TheManOfTheHourEveryHour]

They'll call them Contractor Cycles 😂😂😂😂

[@kmach1nex]

The $40 price tag doesn't matter if the game is really good and unique. Comparing it to Concord, it was neither of those but comparing it to Helldivers 2 (launch), it had both. Remember: Don't pre-order and wait for user reviews.

[@vruxdrossgaming]

$40, $20 for cosmetics, $10-$20 Battle Pass. If it had more monetization on top of it, it isn't worth buying.

[@TJW-YT]

The difference between a "class" and a "hero" is generally speaking a hero is a fixed set of abilities and a class allows for customisation.

[@egbert5871]

also Hero's are typical a set character, classes not so much and can be more its own

[@MikleKaneChannel]

Also much bigger cosmetics variety for classes rather than heroes

[@brianlucas3681]

A hero is also like a character. Warlock is a class. Ikora is a hero

[@jokerledger5400]

pfft, really? over time that distinction is null and void. Just look at Overwatch where you can slap on demon, anubis, one punch man, goku skin then we have paladins a hero shooter game with customizable abilities. They are simply trying to make a marketing ad by trying to make them sound different.

[@ItsInigma]

You’d think he get it seeing as he plays Destiny 2 trials a lot haha. Cross can be silly sometimes

[@Colifin]

You know why I started playing Destiny? Because when shadowkeep launched it went f2p. I'd heard friends talk about it over the years and thought I'd try it out, and the rest is history. Even ignoring Concord, with a price tag associated you're never going to get the drive-by, casual players who would have dipped their toe in and then get hooked. You're basically only targeting the existing extraction shooter playerbase - and if there are zero f2p alternatives, they're missing the opportunity to fill that hole in the market.

[@SnowTheKitsune]

The Cycle Frontiers was f2p extraction shooter but cheaters killed game. Same shit is happening with Tarkov too. Game full of cheaters.

[@Colifin]

@@SnowTheKitsune Yeah and you know what? I actually tried The Cycle Frontier. Their controller support was awful so I immediately dropped it, but there's no way I would've paid $40 just to test it out. Granted they went under, so possibly not the best example of why Marathon should go f2p lol.

[@KnightKoR]

There's also the option of time-limited free trials... opens the gate for more people to dip their toes in and see for themselves. However, it only works if the game is actually any good.

[@heatnup]

Destiny 2 became much worse when it went F2P you just have never played it before it went F2P so you have no perspective. Cheaters are everywhere now because if they get banned they can just make a new account with no money lost.

[@cynthiahembree3957]

@@SnowTheKitsuneThe issue with this is that a good anti cheat solves this problem. A box price really doesn’t it just stems the bleeding

[@buckeyefan1497]

100 dollars he mentions RuneScape

[@byranakiempitts7374]

I haven’t watched yet either. But I can believe it

[@ArinTv999]

Oh he definitely will mention runescape

[@mezkoo4259]

At 9:39 it was a close call. 😂

[@PetesCreativeRecycling]

You owe $100

[@LUCKY1i1K7NG]

he IS RuneScape.

[@t3chfx13]

In Concords case the competition was free in Marathons case the game they have to worry about starts at $50 and it's competition has treated it's players HORRIBLY the last couple years so if Bungie can make a good extraction shooter, not add P2W like its competition then that $40 price tag isn't gonna be a barrier for most who actually care about the genre.

[@spakentruth]

Yeah but considering bungies history with cheating they're either going to employ a super invasive AC or we'll have yet another extraction shooter ruined by cheaters running walls. Tarkov is almost unplayable because of how common it is

[@herbsworth]

As a D2 veteran - I'm not touching Marathon with a barge pole.

[@richardsewell8657]

Same. Less than zero interest.

[@leonidas1125]

Why would we? They already made it abundantly clear that they cant be trusted to maintain D2 even though it's quite litteraly there only money maker. But they wana hit us with the "trust me bro" now?

[@Mr_Ruhl]

100%. Bungie needs to and should have used the money they made from destiny FOR destiny. I don't plan on playing Marathon even if it is f2p.

[@manunited111able]

I'm the opposite. I think Destiny's ship has sailed, and i'm more interested what they do next and to see if they will learn from the failings of Destiny.

[@Augors]

Bro Thinks Marathon is targeting D2 players. 😂

[@WhatUpMutt]

For like 3 years after launch, Bungie'll spend the money Marathon makes reinvesting it into the game and then afterwards, when Marathon is making bank, they'll take that Marathon money and use it to spin up 12 incubation projects, only giving marathon minimal viable updates, and when they start burning more cash than they can make again, Pete Parsons will show the Marathon devs the new cars he bought two days before laying them off

[@Raio_arma]

Finally Concord killer

[@av7062]

Concord was the Concord killer...

[@lucasblanchard47]

@@av7062 DEI wokeness was the Concord killer.

[@av7062]

@@lucasblanchard47 Not really. It just sucked as a game. The DEI didn't help, but the fact that it was just bad was the main cause.

[@AntonioCruz-uq3wb]

That or it will be Concord's next door neighbor in some unmarked ladfill.

[@gavo7911]

@@lucasblanchard47 Baldur’s Gate 3 is the wokest game ever made, cope

[@KapalAsin]

I need the gameplay preview video before i can judge whether it's worth $40

[@theshellderinslowbrostail5422]

My issue is not that its F2P or $40, my issue is that i have no trust on Bungie keeping and not monetizing this game to hell. No matter what game they do, unless all Upper Management is fired it will be the same dance.

[@deadhelix]

I feel like they are examining hunt showdown very closely, 40 dollar game with 10 dollar dlc bundles that all have a few skins in them (so it’s like 3ish bucks a skin) And while some people in that community complain hunts monetization Is pretty fair (so far… the current director of the game being ex bungie and activsion is worrying me more and more with the recent ui change he pushed) and I think that route can work

[@LetsLiveinPeace-r3h]

💯%! Absolutly try, absolutly!

[@longloco1]

Remenber Activision was telling them to chill out back then, AXTIVISION

[@syedmuhammadibtehaj8794]

Tbh you right. The core problem with destiny remains that it’s somehow a very expensive game to make and we as players keep finding out that it’s now worth the price tag. Whether the monetization is to sustain the development or its straight up gouging money. We have no guarantees the game will not be the same. MXTs with a 100k average players per month werent enough money apparently idk how their economics gonna work with marathon either

[@Mr-R.R.]

What have you been taking that you genuinely think D2 is monetized to hell? Other than seasons and DLC (which is standard across every damn game), the micro transactions are not only purely cosmetic, but a significant portion of PAID cosmetics get put up for FREE for brightdust (and these are easier to earn now than ever before). Pretty much every gun or armor ornament I've bought with brightdust by simply being a bit patient. That's it. Non of these things impact your game experience in the slightest either.

[@Ilapalzzo]

The Bungie Twist.... you play against devs, when they lose Bungo lays off an other employee.

[@FlashesSoccer011]

Bungie could give me $40, and I still wouldn't touch this game.

[@ThaNarc]

Gamestop eventually throws out games they never sell in the trash.

[@JimmyPivin]

Lol same

[@leroyrodgers6089]

Bruh they probably owe us 40 bucks at this point.

[@KodexKat]

I’d use that $40 to buy everyone popcorn to watch this dumpster fire together

[@heatnup]

I'll enjoy it.

[@darkshadowstalker2074]

Ima be real the 40$ price tag is more than likely the least of its problems, if the game is good people would pay for it

[@heatnup]

Will*

[@Poptart21000]

I couldn’t care less for extraction shooters if I tried, and I know I’m not the only one.

[@chelsthegameruiner8669]

Unless it's Hunt Showdown, I won't touch it. Even then, the only reason why I love Hunt Showdown is because it's a Western-themed game

[@Poptart21000]

@@chelsthegameruiner8669 Nice.

[@charlescabbage2933]

im okay with extraction shooters if they offer an offline mode..

[@DenethorDurrandir]

Yeah, I really tried, multiple times, as true forged in cs 1.6 pvp shooter player, I still couldn't care less.

[@heatnup]

There are only like 5 or 6 extraction shooters on the market. None of which have been super high quality. Kinda hard to form an opinion on an entire genre when you have yet to see the best of it.

[@yikaiye9241]

Nobody cares about the price tag as long as the game is good.

[@raysolo137]

I wanna see the gameplay first, we'll talk money later

[@paradoxinraindrops141]

While I’m not an Extraction fan. I like class based games and Bungie always nails the gunplay, visuals and music. Also, the reveal trailer looked cool. So I’ll to keep an open mind.

[@Zio-e5t]

Don't even give it the time of day

[@charlescabbage2933]

all i remember they said that there is like a contest mode where players need to solve puzzles around the map in order to unlock another section of the map for all of the community or players to be able to access it and some rewards too

[@LetsLiveinPeace-r3h]

👍💯%!

[@LetsLiveinPeace-r3h]

@@paradoxinraindrops141 Alas, I cannot wish you good luck! Then everything that you said, alas, is no longer true for a long time!

[@StunningModelAaliyahAustin-l1d]

The people judging this game based on a price is nuts to me, literally not a snippet of gameplay yet like relax. people have been dropping 60 to 70 on Slop of Duty for how many years but a 40 dollar game is now an insane thing to think about? Brother I play indie games that are 30 dollars and they are worth that price. But no we want free games we will end up spending 200 bucks on because of some little shop

[@Mr-R.R.]

Thank you. Someone with an actual brain. It baffles me how sure everyone is when we literally don't even have a trailer showing any semblance of gameplay

[@SpottedHares]

They dropped $70 on the breath of the wild dlc pretending it was a new game.

[@cynthiahembree3957]

I mean I’ll look into it still. I’m just not sure I trust Bungie enough to pay $40

[@chillhour6155]

And yet you already preorder, hypocrisy goes both ways buddy

[@hal0justcal865]

Back in the golden days of gaming 40$ was a good price for a game

[@Lorentz_Driver]

Back when a game came out finished

[@justifano7046]

Just a reminder $40 was never a base price for video games unless you were playing on gameboy.

[@hal0justcal865]

@@justifano7046 was 39.99 here in UK.

[@heatnup]

P2P is better than F2P and always will be.

[@RemedieX]

@@heatnup I prefer P2P but your statement isn't always true. Provably false as a whole tbh.

[@SpottedHares]

The difference is”Class” gives RPG vibes while “ Hero” sets off Overwatch PTSD sending the player in an incoherent mess. But no one has yet to establish a definition that separates the two just a lot of very flaky opinion that reall segments that most gamers think “hero shooter” means it’s a 100% xerox of Overwatch. The $40 is a calculated risk in the pay to try is a calculated risk. Sure it worked for games like Helldivers, DRG, Siege, overwatch, CS:GO, COD, PD, Titanfall 2, four honor, and quite a few other games. The specifics of $40 sound more like that the Financial office is taking note that pvp multiplayer only games at full or over full price don’t really work any more. I think Siege was the last big game to actually succeed with this selling tactic. The mass dominance of PVP FTP means that unless you have other none PVP online only content your game is seen as a bad investment. Sure you have sucess like CS:GO and overwatch, but then you have Lawbreakers that just don’t and the people who did drop the $40 don’t really have anything to play when everyone is gone. With the exception of COD and FIFA there just isn’t any room in the market for this pricing. I do think it’s good they dropped it down to $40 when we live in a era where dlc get priced gouged as expansion or new games such as ALL of Destiny, shadow of the urdtree, and Tears of the kingdom. Would ftp be better? Yea, but at least it’s not the $70 bs the industry is desperate to make standard.

[@DarkPyroZero]

ARC Raiders is also ditching the F2P option for a paid entry, literally quoting that they are following the model Concord is doing, which we all saw what happened there

[@SnowTheKitsune]

And Concord going pay to play made taht game die in few weeks.

[@SpottedHares]

The same model as Overwatch and CS:GO…..

[@queuebe4068]

@@SnowTheKitsune It was always pay to play

[@cynthiahembree3957]

@@SpottedHaresyou could get away with it back in those days because there were no options. Notice how both of your examples are now F2P

[@welzzy5607]

I truly don’t understand why people want this game to fail, like yeah bungie is a greedy company, all companies are pretty much, idk why people like to think that these big companies are your friend, they aren’t. I hope this this game does well.

[@dshearwf]

It's gonna be f2p faster than you can say Concord.

[@Chablo91]

If they do a 40 quid price point its odd pricing. It indicates to me it's not triple A quality. 50 or 60 should be the price point if it's the next best shooter. If they have doubts then go F2p with a store.

[@deadhelix]

@@Chablo91hunt showdown is 30 dollars and has the best audio in any fps game to date so to say that lower price must mean it will have 0 quality is dumb

[@dshearwf]

@@Chablo91 You just need to know Bungie's scum pricing to know they originally probably aimed at 70-90 dollars for the game before the Concord disaster. They know Marathon is as trash as Concord and now they are trying to desperately soften the blow. And in my opinion, bare bones content pvp only teamshooters can only survive f2p with mtx, the only game that was b2p in that genre was Overwatch 1 and the ONLY reason that was able to sell is because Blizzard actually had a standing in the industry back then. As soon as Blizzard was finished (just like Bungie now) they knew they couldn't demand a single penny for the shshow that was OW "2"

[@Chablo91]

@@deadhelix im a fan of upping the price for a better game with more content. If they make it 40 quid i think you will pay for what you get or less, most likely less. A higher price tag would be better if it's the next best shooter ever. A true next gen shooter. Its psychology some ppl will buy medium priced items over cheaper items. Thats what i do like clothes food etc.

[@Chablo91]

@@dshearwf your right of courseeee. But its bungie mate there is always a spec of a chance of it being the next best thing. I think ppl will still keep their eyes peeled on this game when it launches. Just because they made destiny one of the most successful franchises of the last 10 years and halo redefining things in the past. Your obviously right bungie is not the same so it could just be a disaster.

[@AthenasWrath22]

The difference between a hero shooter and a class shooter: you can customize a class, you can’t customize a hero.

[@josephstalin7044]

Even if the game is good, it’s still going to be an extremely hard sell considering bungie’s horrible reputation that they brought on themselves. The internet knows this company is so greedy that activision of all companies had to tell them to calm down with monetization. Mainstream famous streamers like moist critical, some ordinary gamers, and Asmongold showed new potential players that bungie is a horrible company. Both Destiny’s had rough launches yet were charged full price, bungie forced players to buy dlcs for content that should’ve been there at launch, then they made destiny 2 free to play, then removed a bunch a content players paid for and made most guns useless, then sold back those guns in later season passes. Dlcs rose in price and shrunk in content and bungie started charging more money for stuff that came with the dlcs. Each season, they add overpriced armor sets the store while whining about having to create ONE free bland armor set per year. I think most people are just going to pass since they don’t want to deal with bungie’s bs.

[@SnowTheKitsune]

In 4 years i play Destiny 2 i havent spend a dime in cash shop. It only show how some people cant control their money and blames company.

[@ZionFlash]

@@SnowTheKitsune​​⁠not having the money to spend and having the money and choosing to spend are two different things. Most of us that left Destiny 2 started playing since launch, I actually started playing during the dark below expansion of D1, the point is that we had all these bs guns they keep bringing back, they took the guns from us saying they would make bigger and better weapons only to turn around and sell us the same guns we had as if they were this new hot thing, it’s bs and if you endorse this then you’re part of the problem and you deserve to go down with the sinking ship that is D2, enjoy it while it lasts.

[@SimonGraves-vb2dz]

I never spent in cash shop my problem was how shit the game is considering how much they charged ​@@SnowTheKitsune

[@rabidchicken11111]

The only thing my friends and coworkers know about Destiny is that they took away paid content via sunsetting. They all avoid Bungie at all cost now.

[@DownBadBear]

@@SnowTheKitsune I'm gonna be real with you. Don't mean jack shit. Frankly, if a platform utilizes FOMO on their MTX, then they are being predatory. end of story. it does not matter if it is legally sound to put armors and colors behind a paywall and a timer. It is objectively, morally reprehensible when not even a full 10 years ago i could've gotten all of that for free by completing challenges. Challenges that unlock shaders exist. While I agree that people should vote with their wallets, the fact of the matter is that just because the choice is %100 mine on whether i purchase it or not does not mean that Bungie or Sony or whoever is pushing the MTX isn't responsible for their own predatory actions. just because your trap is laid out in plain view doesnt mean its not your fault as well as theirs when it hurts someone. The market needs to shift because its very obvious they dont look at us as their community. We are their bottom line. Unfortunately that'll never change for more political reasons than are appropriate to start dumping in this comment section.

[@certifiedwack9042]

Marathon isn’t being made for the Destiny players. I’m sure Destiny players will still give it a try and probably play it, but why would Bungie make a game that would take away player count from their own game. Marathon is being made to break into new markets and draw new people into the Bungie games franchise. I have a feeling most PvE Destiny players are gonna hate it but at the end of the day this game isn’t for them. Im excited for Marathon because Bungie hasn’t released a new game in like 7 years, and you might be able to argue they haven’t released a new game in 10 years because Destiny 2 was a sequel.

[@OmarDoesGamingMCAt]

CONCORD DID NOT TEACH THEM A LESSON

[@SepticEmpire]

Or did marathon not teach concord a lesson? Either way there’s better games and I don’t care for what marathon has to potentially offer Just not my genre

[@albertga0810]

What lesson were they supposed to learn?

[@TheMax107]

The immediate thing I thought of when I saw this 😂😂

[@moonducks507]

Bungie did not develop Concord. What, besides "don't make HORRIBLE character designs for your shooter", do they need to learn?

[@leonardchurch814]

Concord didn’t fail just because it was $40, sure it was a part of the problem, but it was one failing point among many other issues. That said, Bungie/Sony should be looking at Concord for what NOT to do.

[@nappy6806]

This was 100% a controlled leak to see what player feed back would be

[@ljlysong001]

$40 price tag with lots of microtransactions -.-

[@Mr-R.R.]

If you and the entirety of the gaming community expects an infinite supply of content and live service, yes. Yes they're gonna charge micro transactions. That's literally the only way to get continued revenue as they spend more

[@jackraiden1781]

​@@Mr-R.R. Then make it f2p

[@Mr-R.R.]

@@jackraiden1781 you do know that games that are PURELY f2p are forced to charge for more things, right? Not if it's paid and then done things be micro transactions

[@jackraiden1781]

@@Mr-R.R. Destiny 2's monetisation is already that of a f2p game but you still have to buy the expansions and marathon will be the same if its a paid game. If it's f2p, people that are on the fence can try the game out and decide if they like it or not, if it's 40 bucks with d2's level of mtx, it will be a concord level disaster

[@Mr-R.R.]

@@jackraiden1781 because Destiny 2 is f2p?

[@leonalchamendris4036]

Class vs Hero To use Destiny 2. A Hero would be Ana Bray. Locked to Golden Gun, Combustion perk, Super Ability focused gameplay. A Hero would be Uldren, Nightstalker, invisibility, etc etc etc... A Class would be Hunter. With the variety of abilities that are Hunter locked but you can probably cycle them out and only have so many equipped at a time. Wukong in the Prologue vs Erlang is a Hero, Destined One is a class.

[@heroicxidiot]

hero based means that each character has defined traits and personality while a class based just means someone (you) filling a role and can customize and define that character how you want and is usually a self insert. For example: You know who Reaper is in Overwatch as a character and how he plays. Whereas in Destiny, you play a class (Titan, Hunter, Warlock) that you define and customize with weapons, appearance, and armor. That's the difference. For Marathon, since they're going by classes, there will be set roles that each will play with no defining character. So you can be a tanky class, a stealthy class, etc.

[@Micah-y3n]

I hope to Jod you're right, especially with the price tag. God, let's hope it doesn't get full of MTX

[@heroicxidiot]

@@Micah-y3n character customization for mtx is the most logical way. If they make mtx for power, then that's a huge problem

[@trendward]

The issue with the Hero Shooter thing is that it HAS become kind of ambiguous. At what point does a game switch from Class to Hero based? Apex Legends and Valorant count as hero shooters but every hero can freely use whatever weapon you equip. Does BF2042 count as a hero shooter because it has specialists? Their voicelines are pretty generic soldier speak. Delta force is described as a class based game and BF2042 got a ton of flack at launch because of specialits yet as far as I can tell both gamesshares many of the same aspects apart from being able to see the face of 2042s characters.

[@heroicxidiot]

@@trendward it's abilities if not characters

[@charlescabbage2933]

i mean look at Battlefield, they have different class with different gadgets , weapons and equipment locked to a particular class and you can modify their uniforms and thats about it

[@Copeharder00]

The Godfather of extraction shooters (The Division) was great because the dark zone was just part of the overall package, not just the package. Bungie should make the game a pve game with the extraction as an optional mode to get exclusive gear.

[@7218007]

Thats the thing dude pve games are more expensive to make. PvP content is players themselves, devs only need to bring maps/weapons. But PvE requires making AI enemies, their animations, sounds, behaviors, spawns.etc like in helldivers 2. Exactly why destiny 2 is expensive to make.(dialogues, voice actors, scripts..etc.) But youre right, division has such potential and ubislop has done nothing with it.

[@chillhour6155]

What a state we're living in where that falsely advertised half assed looter shooter is the standard of anything

[@chillhour6155]

​@@7218007games have existed for over half a century now, why use expensive as an excuse where software and hardware technology is better then it ever was, how is "it's too expensive" allowed as an excuse for regression ?

[@JeremiahHector]

Helldivers has set such a good example now for doing extended service content (not traditional dlc) for a $40 game. If they don't follow a similar method while keeping this an extraction only game, little faith will be had.

[@LVEMRE]

$40 price tag $120 expansion pass for the year and marathonverse store that hides cosmetics... Not falling for it this time Bungie.

[@heatnup]

See ya after the positive reviews. People like you try to kill games before they even launch lol. So pathetic.

[@gagewesterhouse9558]

And it will still lose them money. Seriously, apparently Marathon is based off a Bungie franchise that was FAR less successful than Halo, and was created before I was born. I don't see ANY hype for this game. I don't think anyone under the age of 40 has any interest, aside from content creators. Honestly, I won't even matter how good Marathon ends up being. Bungie's misguided pursuit of Marathon is a BIG part of why Bungie is in such dire financial straits and why Destiny 2 has been suffering so much over the past few years. No matter what, the prevailing sentiment will be "You guys destroyed Destiny for THIS?!?"

[@MrWiggz69]

What's worse is that Marathon was never an extraction shooter. It is nostalgia bait for a franchise that was never that popular to begin with. It's going to be a dumpster fire and I'll be there for it.

[@joshuafeldman3762]

i think theyre just using it because it has some exiting lore already and a unique art style thats easily adaptable. It was essentially a doom clone.

[@heatnup]

I'm excited. You fools are just killing the game yourselves by not giving it a chance. It is YOUR fault if the game fails.

[@heatnup]

@@MrWiggz69 It's going to be great

[@meloncholy428]

​@@heatnup You're right, they're not giving the game a chance but you're wrong in saying it'll be great. We haven't seen game footage yet, let's wait to judge until it's actually out.

[@darqshark3506]

This is honestly great. Free to play means endless hackers. And no, hero shooter means a literal character like Tracer or Genji. Class shooter just means specific abilities are cordoned off, and HOPEFULLY customization will be relatively open and not restricted by a hero's proportions.

[@zackphy]

Bungie REALLY needs to start showing this game off, especially gameplay, if they don't want this to end up like Concord. I mean, I don't have faith it won't fail either way, but keeping it so secret isn't helping them any or building any hype. Especially if this report is true and playtests are going well just show it off so people have time to start anticipating it.

[@alphashina]

We even don't know when it's on sale. I don't think this is something to worry about. The marketing machine will start when it is needed.

[@admiralfischi3110]

Sony increasing the price of their main games to 80$ just to increase the price of their free to play games to 40$.😂

[@Mr_Ruhl]

Lol, Bungie making another wise decision i see. Pete must need another car.

[@NikolaiMihailov1]

Live service game costing 40$,still doesn't have a solid identity so close to launch? Yeah,calling it now,DOA.

[@Yu7Zi]

I feel like the only Destiny veteran hyped for Marathon. I trust the Forsaken devs to cook something special and hope Bungie management don’t ruin it.

[@terryjackson-chubick2506]

I mentioned this on Facebook, but the community needs communication on these projects with what info Bungie can share. The speculating is only hurting sicne we see these projects as what caused the layoffs. The communication, if done right, could increase hype so that we WANT to go out and support these games.

[@RNG_Anarchist]

Article - "Bungees first, none destiny game" Halo - "do i mean nothing to you"

[@RNG_Anarchist]

Also, this isn't even the first marathon game bungie has developed

[@Soulverine]

My understanding of "hero" shooter is that you have the choice of a specific, set, character. It would be like choosing to play as Zavala (arc Titan), Ikora (void Warlock) or Cayde (solar Hunter) but those were the only 3 options. "Class" shooters are like what we do with our current guardians where we can mix and match but there's still boundaries to what we can do.

[@S3Cs4uN8]

Other examples of Class-based shooters would be the Battlefield/Battlefront games, Space Marine 2 and Deep Rock Galactic (I think, been a while since I last played that particular game.).

[@lumberfoot_jpg]

They need to add “monstrosities” to Marathon. But instead of like Hunt, they need to be roaming mini bosses that can instantly cripple your team. For anyone here that’s played Darktide you know what I’m talking about.

[@elegy8187]

You know they're gonna have so many microtransactions in this game too

[@MrCoffeeMrRadar]

You hit right on the mark, you can see its an extraction shooter & nothing like Destiny. But these executives behind this game don't really understand what the difference is.

[@BrazarB]

Wish people would reserve judgement for when we actually get *real* news for the game instead of basing their opinion on rumors from a source which is known to get things wrong & stir things on purpose

[@Commander_Pika]

Preach. This is just the Internet now....which is awful.

[@DeMo15]

This game is gonna need an honest to god beta. Put it in the hands of players, receive feedback, take notes, develop further, release. Information is invaluable and right now Marathon is a question mark.

[@Jacksonmontyart]

Really hoping this game is good. Love the art style, and I love hunt showdown. Could be the best of both worlds if they can pull it off.

[@Kanudee]

yea same dont know why so many people want the game to fail

[@heatnup]

@@Kanudee Weirdos. They hate to see a game succeed because they think that will ruin their current favorite game. That or they are just irrational babies.

[@dekublack4920]

Naw, they just don't want Pete to buy another vintage car 😂

[@chillhour6155]

What art style are you talking about ?

[@Jacksonmontyart]

@@chillhour6155 the marathon art style based on the trailer and concept art. Kindof like y2k, vector heart, and minimalism mixed together reminds me of wipeout and early 2000’s shape languages

[@yareyarebankai6841]

From what I’ve seen online a lot of people don’t mind Marathon at 40…with 0 gameplay shown at all 🤣🤣🤣 Bungie shills or had zero idea about the Concord situation…uh if you’re a gamer at all, you know what happened to that game. I think Marathon and Concord were both ideas in 2016 that are just now being finished. (both with former/ex Bungie devs on them see a pattern?) Who makes an idea of a game when trends were happening, only to release it when that trend died??? Again no one is playing extraction shooters, especially full priced ones…it’s a tone deaf concept. If Sony likes losing money so much, ain’t my money tho 🤭

[@kaleluk31]

With it being pvp, I won't even go near it

[@drunkmaster1111]

So ur a pve noob?

[@heatnup]

Weird. Grow a pair sonny.

[@ginxxyami]

Making marathon a f2p extraction shooter with actually decent mechanics is how they can prevent it from falling flat. If there IS a price tag the game is going to have to be absolutely stellar. EFT players already love their EFT. Who else are they going to market to? Literally no one. If it's f2p random players who aren't already caught up in the extraction genre will actually try it.

[@CrossfitWarrior]

I actually hope they succeed. I won't be playing it. I don't play PvP in Destiny 2 so I'm not the target audience. I don't think the $40 dollar price tag is a bad price given. Hell divers dropped at the same price tag. Concord failed because it doesn't look interesting. I don't think marathon will be hugely popular. It's going to be sitting in either two camps 1.struggling to stay afloat 2. failing within the first 30 days.

[@FloridaMann123]

$40 just gets you in the door. Then there's the inevitable battle pass, cosmetics, skins, premium currency, and I wouldn't be surprised to see premium consumables like XP boosts, extra inventory slot unlockables, etc...

[@epicgamerzfail4575]

I think the era of pvp games launching with a price tag is done. Concord was the nail in the coffin. Cod gets away with it because black magic, but no other pvp game in the last few years that hasn't flopped has launched with a price tag

[@ps5426]

$40 is not bad comparatively considering most games are $60+ these days just for standard versions

[@GrimSix]

I ain't betting 40Bucks for a game giving us the exact same experience than others games that proved themselves

[@heatnup]

It will be better than any other extraction shooter on the market hands down.

[@alphashina]

After all, it's BUNGIE. They never fail on gunplay and art

[@rico993]

Classes = You choose a certain playstyle and customize it to your liking Heroes = You can only choose from preset templates for abilities and character design It also informs how the game will be updated over time. Hero shooters always need to prioritize adding new heroes in order for players to stay interested. Whereas class-based games have more focus on expanding options for perks, weapons, maps, and game modes

[@logan_sunday]

Just remember everyone who's hoping it fails and that bungie fails, better keep your mouth shut when people get laid off.

[@chillhour6155]

Oh because it's our responsibility to support garbage ?

[@logan_sunday]

@@chillhour6155 Didn't say anything about supporting the game.

[@theshadowx]

Hero is a pre-made character with their own story, classes are playstyles for characters you make

[@kieronmckay4276]

0% chance I ever play this. The gameplay loops of extraction shooters sounds like literally the worst possible gameplay loop unless you're a complete masochist. Least of all that is monetized to hell and the "bungie twists" ...

[@heatnup]

So you are a coward? There is nothing that gets the heart racing like making a successful heist. You have a stash so you don't lose everything just because you go in.

[@kieronmckay4276]

@@heatnup No extraction shooters sound incredibly boring and frustrating, and I play games to have fun, not be bored and frustrated.

[@BryanlollyTV]

Makes sense having it not be F2P, cheating is a huge deal in competitive shooter/extraction games. This’ll make it tougher for cheaters to come back after they get banned

[@nicgara8781]

I love ppl just shit on games before they even seen gameplay. Hero shooters, 5v5 shooters, extraction shooters, let them cook then make judgement once you've seen at least the majority of the game.

[@chillhour6155]

There's no cooking show, so fk the cooking

[@freakinsweetdude]

Honestly, I prefer games that have a "barrier to entry" price and give some skin in the game to help keep some cheaters away.

[@miirico5398]

If this game came out as $40 and played similar either to Tarkov, Finals or any Hero Shooter this shit will sink faster than Concordia.

[@Mr-R.R.]

Are you braindead? The Finals plays extremely well. And I don't know what moronic universe you're from, but the finals having 15k concurrent players on steam alone, is absolutely not a dead game. Not everything needs to be apex

[@JJ-zd5hu]

Bro, HOW TF do you develop a simple game like this for over a year and have 2 maps? this game is gonna bomb

[@kkami6231]

i speak for all when i say “WE WILL NOT BE PLAYING AND THIS GAME WILL BE SHUT DOWN BY THE END OF RELEASE WEEK”

[@Magus_Union]

They couldn't even revive the Tribes IP with a $20 price tag. What makes them think they can rebrand Marathon at $40?!?!

[@Fawnyboi]

Not to be pessimistic, but the game is definitely going to flop. How do they expect success from a pvp game that costs $40. Bungie lost a large chunk of its pvp player base on destiny simply by adding mechanics like Airborne Effectiveness. I don't play destiny 2 pvp anymore that's FREE.

[@heatnup]

Destiny 2 is a PVE game with PVP added on. It was designed around PVE that's why their PVP sucks. Marathon will be different.

[@Fawnyboi]

@heatnup stfu pvp was good, they had it good, season 16 they had pvp done right. Only a few exotics needed some tuning. Every youtuber made several videos on how bad the changes were but bungie doubled down on them. They went as far as to say it's their game and worked hard on the mechanics and would never remove them. I don't trust a video game company who says and does shit like this. It's the players first.

[@heatnup]

@@Fawnyboi Destiny PVP was fun (for a time) it was not good. Bullet magnetism is stupid and Destiny 2 has it in spades. Worst of all cheaters are rampant in D2 and it has only gotten worse since Bungie decided to go F2P.

[@heatnup]

@@Fawnyboi On top of jank mechanics like bullet magnetism D2 PVP also ran on 10hz tick servers which are a terrible competitive experience. They may have upgraded the servers but even now they are still 30hz max and are not reliable for a PVP environment.

[@heatnup]

@@Fawnyboi All of those trades you have against people are solely because of the slow tick servers and lag compensation both things implemented by Bungie.

[@jqwright28]

They really need to preview and beta this game asap and let the community give them feedback, because these leaks will kill the public's perception of this game before any potential early access. Like if it can steal Tarkov players, it'll do fine but they have to make a good game and they can't wait until a month before release and do a beta like what happened with Concord. That's not enough time to fix anything people dislike.

[@MapleYum]

Marathon is DOA. There’s no way Sony or Bungie would entertain a $40 cost if they thought Marathon was going to be a hit.

[@speedysloth203]

All the current extraction shooters feel really really slow. I’m hoping that marathon feels faster paced, consequential but not GRUELING, and still fun with their game mechanics around healing, damage, bullets, and the weapons

[@Frosthowl93]

$40 dollars? Two maps? In this economy? With Bungie's rep? Instant death sentence.

[@ego1153]

there is a lingering community looking for a new home, their old home was Cycle frontier, a sci-fi extraction shooter. I loved that game, sadly its no more. I'm definetly going to try out marathon to see if its capable of enticing me and my friends.

[@bradfortner8921]

This may just be me, but when I hear “hero”, I equate that to unlockable (specifically paid, but possibly earnable). When I hear class, I feel like those are just chosen from a set number of existing options.

[@ps5_c0de]

For this genre, there's only two games that seem very similar that are "upcoming". Marathon and Arc Raiders

[@goldspartan6594]

A $40 price tag for a full Bungie release? I was FORCED to pay $90 for Witch Queen. No, ain’t no way Bungie ships a $40 new full release game without critical game components being held behind further paywalls.

[@stamx_]

As a tarkov and destiny player, i hope Marathon has the questline of Tarkov (aka a multi-month very difficult questline), and the gunplay of Destiny. And I hope they can nail the live player-driven events they were talking about. Really has the potential to be a really unique game.

[@Pizza_Guyy]

When talking about extraction shooters. The Division from Ubisoft having the Dark Zone as the PvPvE where you had the extraction and rouge aspects was some of the best times I have had.

[@amplifiedcreator0115]

The best thing about f2p is I can decide if I like it first then fork out money if I want to further my experience in any way

[@TheRico725]

Looter shooters will teach you how your grind means nothing. Doubt a Destiny player will like that.

[@Brikzilla]

I paid $100 for D2, then they made it free and took away the other content I paid for smh

[@rb2kTube]

Would have loved to see destinations in Destiny become extraction activities. Go in, get upgrade materials, cores, random weapon drops. Then get back to a landing node to extract. Probably can’t be PvP but the setup is all there.

[@Alizael]

I dont think there are words in any language on earth that can properly describe how little i care for this game

[@nebbie]

Sounds fun. But they need to have pve objectives with pve enemies during a match like bounties that reward loot. Eliminate elite, jumping puzzle, capture an area, etc. some of the combat bounties can even give you combat bonuses or allies to help when someone tries to third party your group. There should also be 2 modes - 1) where everyone starts fresh and 2) you can bring in a load out or handful of gear extracted from previous match.

[@wi1dcard]

“Eventually they’ll add more.” 😂😂😂😂 Historically, with Destiny anyway, eventually means 6 years later😂

[@thomashinckleyii4641]

No offense, but I'm exhausted from hearing about all the good people working on games. Good people can put out shit through no fault of their own, and I don't have to support that for their sake. Corporations only hear one thing, money. Please vote with your wallet, it's the only thing they pay attention to.

[@adamrees2319]

Only 2 maps is concerning as hell considering the time they’ve spent on developing this game. Even for a $40 price tag. That along with the fact that they’re concerned about new player development already before the game is out is WILD. Like Cross said, it’s a lottery shooter…what new player experience? New player experience is irrelevant.

[@trevoroliveira2588]

Making it $40 vs F2P makes it easier to police cheaters. I’m excited for this game, regardless of the attitude around it.

[@zulianeon]

3 points on the price tag. 1 - Money is not illimited, if i pay to play destiny maybe i'll not be paying to play marathon, i live in Brasil and the prices on destiny made a lot of friends just turn down destiny for life. 2- Making the game free would make the audience for a Bungie game more broad, witch could lead people to try destiny since its a bungie game as well thus increasing the number of players on destiny. 3- The majority of extractuon shooters on the market right now have price tags, making your game free could be something diferent on the market that could make people try and stay at your game. No matter how you see, Bungie needs new players and putting a price tag on the two games just dosen't make sense to me, if marathon comes out with a price tag i would drop it, unless its a great game.

[@Slazerith]

Hero vs Class shooter could mean either something like everyone has a roster of 7 shapes to pick from, which are fundamentally the same (a triangle is a triangle, but a triangle is not a circle) but with different skins. Or it could be like Apex/Overwatch, where every Hero is unique, but they're grouped up into supports, assaults ect. which would give say all tanks a minimum 50 shield or assaults only have the extra movement abilities or whatever. Also, (coming from someone who played The Division/DMZ and only watched Tarkov/Hunt:showdown), Extraction shooters could range from the simple kill everything, stay alive and bounce with loot, to the HC-esque of Tarkovs weapon building and body part healing nightmare.

[@EmeraldFatalis]

Marathon will cost $0 because Bungie has lost my faith and business. Edit: Last thing I want to do is help Bungie's CEOs get another car.

[@t.j.hunter1149]

Considering the cheater issues in Destiny, I really hope they have the 40$ price tag, F2P will be riddled with cheaters, considering the cheat makers already know how he engine works.