Mario + Luigi Brothership Has Big Technical Issues

[@nebby3]

Fun fact: I once scored on my own net in a high school basketball game. I had just subbed in after switching sides at halftime and got confused. It still haunts me to this day.

[@thelawyer95]

Lol

[@Dreadkingg]

how is nintendo just consitently bad at bringing out games that actually run fine? like its 2024 and 60FPS stable should be the norm yet they cant even hit stable 30?? just a sad state.

[@tiptup3895]

ta daronne

[@ShyGuyXXL]

Because the console is 7 years old. And even when it was new, the hardware was already underpowered. So the Devs have to work with what they can.

[@worthless_opinion]

Nintendo didn't develop this game.

[@Mario00064]

I despise Unreal Engine, especially on Switch. So few devs are capable of implementing proper frame pacing with UE.

[@distion]

Did Pikmin 4, which also runs on UE4, also have this problem?

[@BBWahoo]

​@distion Me, on my PC with B-die RAM: No.

[@jellyface401]

Prepare for UE5 sloppy ports for switch 2. I can already see it, frame generated blurry upscaled games to 1080 p running at unstable 45 fps

[@BBWahoo]

@@jellyface401 Hell yeah, I can't wait for Wii U-like performance!

[@Matthew93256]

​@@jellyface401We already have a UE5 game (that is not Fortnite) on the Switch 1, and somehow that runs decent lol. Game name is Gori BTW, and it has a demo on the eShop

[@Goat0423]

It’s gotta be an engine issue or a dev issue, Luigi’s Mansion 3 is like the gold standard, with how that game looks, there’s no excuse why this can’t work.

[@elimalinsky7069]

Yep. That's the difference between a proprietary engine and an engine that is designed to do everything on all platforms. So the choice is between a new engine built specifically for one game, which is potentially difficult to work with, and an all encompassing licensed engine that is easier to develop for.

[@Atlas_966]

@@elimalinsky7069not to mention the labor to create an engine like such

[@UberManlyPirate]

@@Goat0423 I just finished Luigis mansion 3 and it is such a beautiful piece of software man!

[@DreamerSouls]

Every fiber of my being wants to make Luigi jump over gaps with the B button after pressing the A button to make Mario jump. But they somehow didn't think to make the autonomous Luigi platforming optional And of all things to make Luigi select his battle options with "A"? Pressing "A" when it's Luigi's turn is supposed to make Mario jump.... This issue has cost me many turns were I failed the button timing because I pressed "A" instead of "B" when landing attack with Luigi.... If they can't get stuff like this right, I don't want them touching the concept of a Bowser's Inside Story Remake with a 10-foot pole.

[@poyrazunlu]

They didn't even add boosting up a stat when one of the bros level up

[@DreamerSouls]

@poyrazunlu they changed it now you can only select a boost whenever you rank up. I genuinely believe that the devs of this game did not play a lot of the original games, because if they did they would probably understand better the charm of the original games

[@brandonsclips7741]

​@DreamerSouls That's what the IGN review said and people got pissy lmaooo

[@jeremiahgreen5632]

ONG. That change is stupid, and only makes the game complicated.

[@DreamerSouls]

@@brandonsclips7741 Its also strange how just about every sound effect is reused from New Super Mario Bros, Mario and Luigi had unique sfx that mostly stayed the same through the years.

[@tolkki32]

Weird how Mario Odysseus runs 60 fps but not this one. Is Unreal Engine really that bad for Switch or what is going on?

[@DigitalStarry]

Probably Unreal. Iirc DQXIIS which is also unreal had the devs make their own specialized fork of unreal to make it run well on Switch

[@jsostick]

No, it's just a bug with uneven bad pacing

[@69metersbelow25]

Odyssey is at 900p also

[@matthewaddai5336]

Not weird at all. The majority of 1st party games not made solely or by Nintendo have had these issues. And this is a spin off series that hasn't been a priority for quite some time.

[@joesterling4299]

The difference is that Odyssey was developed internally by Nintendo using an engine made specifically for their hardware, by software engineers with the proper skills and experience. UE4 is a multi-platform engine, and insulates its users from the low-level details. Without getting to the bare metal in any way, performance such as Odyssey's can't be matched. Not even close.

[@蓮90]

The performance of these games is beyond tragic. I watched my wife play Rune Factory 5 at 15fps and felt bad for her since she loves those games. Once it came to Steam, I had no problem buying it a second time just for the performance uplift. The Switch was already outdated when it launched. Now it is 7 years-old. It needs to be buried and forgotten.

[@shinobi-zensei]

In American Football, the equivalent of an “own goal” would be a “safety”. But the other team get only 2 points for a safety instead of the 6 for a touchdown.

[@joesterling4299]

So, they developed this Switch-exclusive game as if it were a multi-plat release, using an engine (UE4) which barely scales down enough to grace the old hardware of the Switch. How pathetic is that? No proper tools for the job. No proper know-how. Nintendo should have know better than trust them with their valuable Mario and Luigi IP.

[@nickmcdaniel6071]

Its so weird because i played this on a modded switch and installed a mod to uncap the framerate + can overclock the switch. And yet still it struggled to reach even 50fps outside of combat

[@Creeper_ofDoom]

I expected this game to run at 60fps no problem on Switch. but it can hardly hit 30

[@majicweather4890]

First party Nintendo games have NEVER been always "bulletproof", from a performance stand point, if you are actually knowledgeable and honest about Nintendo first party game history. Baldy doesn't know what he's talking about.

[@AceofShadow]

Hope Switch 2 fixes it without needing a patch.

[@TurboPikachu]

I hope a patch happens anyway before Switch 2. The game was made for Switch 1, and Switch 2 isn't due out in the next 6 months at the very least

[@based980]

its made for the switch 1.

[@sanctanox]

How could a Switch 2 remove the FPS cap without a patch? That's just not possible. The game would have been prepared to remove the cap on a new console and I highly doubt that.

[@Mahboishk]

It's weird how people expect the switch 2 to automatically improve things. Nintendo has always downclocked their back compat modes. They go out of their way to do the OPPPOSITE of "game boost."

[@PlasticCogLiquid]

This game runs like trash, I'm surprised it's at 30FPS, it looks no better than Super Mario RPG remake.

[@bluesky5384]

I'm realizing this isn't the channel I wanted to watch because I don't have any technical issues and I'm liking the game. I think this channel has a more for people who like looking at specs and numbers and not taking a game for what it is.

[@BtolHiko]

Games should run well in 2024

[@VampireNoblesse]

the technical issues of Metaphor on consoles is waaay worse, but most sites didn't seem bothered, but some got very bothered of M&L minimal hickups.. (don't mean DF, the pointed out they Metaphor issues clearly)

[@lostsauce0]

I miss the gamecube and wii days when the fps was generally rock solid

[@yungsamus6662]

Not many people know that this game was completed in January 2024 and got released 10 months later. They had almost one Year to optimize it and there wasn't even a day one patch. Shows how they rushed this game to milk out the switch 1. The framerate and loading times and overall performance of this game is not acceptable That bro Dark1X nailed it with his impression of the game!

[@lostsauce0]

As usual emulation provides a better experience. 60fps 4k. Frame pacing still isnt great and there's stutters but it's way better than native.

[@johnnysheen9615]

I`m guessing that this is a Switch 2 game, that`s been cash cowed onto the normal Switch.

[@jordaniserte6992]

No, it was almost done one year before, just not well optimized. There's nothing inside that needs a Switch 2 for running well.

[@Rastrellin]

It is certainly true that one feels the need for a more powerful device, however, we tend to blame the N.Switch too much. The fault lies only with the teams that work on it. Grezzo does not seem to improve with time and Brothership is it was done by the experienced team behind the octopath traveler games, both with the support of an internal team. I think that the strategy is conceptually healthier than the wild buying and selling of competitors, but they cannot damage the final result because of their rush to accumulate stuff for the successor to N.Switch. They recycled (understandably) all the WiiU, and even older games, stuff that the most loyal old fans have already done and some even bought again, the new exclusives must be more than perfect. There are no mitigating factors, especially if you use the two most prestigious IPs as a lure.

[@spring71-b1b]

Honestly ive beaten the game and yeah this definitely needs to change for the future with better frames in their games. But brothership is still an amazing game.

[@TopHatLucario]

does it pick up later on cuz I'm 9 hours in and JUST unlocked the battle plugs. That's insanely slow

[@undersansvssans2381]

I cant buy de game on de switch idk what to do

[@jamesthomas89112]

Great hardware capable of better experiences than can be found on pc unless you steal them

[@MatthewMedina-b7l]

It’s called a safety. Thats the American version of “own goal”. 😂

[@KingSigy]

Load times are part of why I feel Lost Odyssey loses some of its quality. Getting into random fights would incur a 35-40 second load and then getting out of them was another 20. It dragged the pacing down by the end. Also, in American Football, an own goal is called a safety. It happens when after a first down, if the play starts close enough to the goal and the quarterback is tackled into it, the opposing team gets two points.

[@nicholaseales]

Railgrade is one of the very few ue 4 games on switch with good frame pacing and amazing input latency for 30 fps

[@JimvsBob]

The 30 fps cap on MGS2 on Switch still really irritates me. Especially when it sometimes bursts into 60

[@matthewaddai5336]

@@JimvsBob MGS2? What game is that?

[@youmeltube]

Metal Gear Solid 2​@@matthewaddai5336

[@IDK3679.]

@@matthewaddai5336 Metal gear solid 2: sons of liberty

[@2fernandoc1]

​@@matthewaddai5336 Metal Gear Solid 2 (which was 60fps on PS2)

[@ales141]

@@2fernandoc1 The 360 version was also 60fps in native 720p, and the switch is more powerful than the 360 and it's only in 30 so what the fuck

[@blakegroves6441]

Personally I think the game is drop dead gorgeous. And I might even be able to deal with more minor frame pacing issues (not constant like this). But the loading between battles is killer, its so long and absolutely takes you out of the experience. I'd gladly sacrifice some presentation to make a smoother experience.

[@distion]

It looks good but if Odyssey can run at 60 on the same hardware, so should this

[@distion]

I feel like it's no coincidence that a lot of recent 1st party switch titles run like this now that they confirmed backwards compatibility for the Switchs successor

[@wifi961]

​@@distionEither that or Nintendo's main teams are just that good.

[@yourself1210]

It funny how people in this comment section are talking about defensive Nintendo fans yet I have only seen like two guys defending Nintendo. I swear df fans let people live rent free in their heads because they don’t care about perfect performance

[@deku812]

pre-saltiness for Switch 2 reveal.

[@Quakecon-s9r]

You probably weren't around when the IGN review dropped. Ninten nerds were going full senile lmao

[@wyawardclown]

​@@Quakecon-s9r ... i'm sorry, "ninten-nerds"????? are you a bully character in an 80's sitcom?????????? also if you're going with that energy, "ninten-dorks" is so much better tbh.

[@Ribcut]

Repeating random instagram comment slang because you liked the way it sounds like "rent free" doesn't make your bad argument somehow good. Did you ever consider that maybe, just maybe, they're referring to their experience with Nintendo fans in general rather than the comment section of this specific video? Personally every conversation on Reddit or online has been met by staunch Nintendo fans dismissing any valid criticism ever while behaving like a religious cult. Noticing this and then commenting on it isn't them "living rent free" but rather just a basic common sense observation and reaction.

[@yourself1210]

@@Ribcut dude I’m not trying to act smart I’m just calling it like I see it. And antagonizing people who annoy you online before they show up isn’t really gonna make them go away if anything it’s probably gonna make them more annoying

[@xcrack6364]

Not really. I've seen all kinds of people talking about massive frame drops among other issues and from release, I have yet to experience any of those things. What it COULD do better, is mix up enemy variety on some islands and give players some agency in how they level up certain stats. As is, it's basically a predictable, hand holding kind of "RPG".

[@donw3429]

4:11 Like Chrono Trigger on the PS1?

[@highward5292]

i wierdly never payed attonetion to like framerate, it is for me as it is, i feel like it's just unreal engine being on such an underpowered console is a problem. every single Unreal Engine game i've played has wierd FPS drops for some reason even while playing on 3080TI, but still kudos for having it run fine on switch. Loading screens after the battle take like 3secs not 10? it never was a problem to me personally. the main problem for me is the buttons with battle. Mario is A with choosing the block option so why isn't luigi's option a B like how it was in the previous games, to like go back just use Y button? u use Y button when you wanna stop like flying with the UFO thingy ability. I have failed so many times when trying to do regular attack with luigi it's crazy that devs didn't give us a option to change it. In my opinion luigi jumping on his own after mario is i feel like better than how it was previously, i remember so many times in the previous games having a problem where Luigi wouldn't just make the jump and i would have to go to the start of the platform section after each fail which was annoying. I miss the fact that you cannot after every new level just choose and pick which ability to boost seperately with russian roulette/poker spin thingy.

[@Matthew93256]

I wonder if they used UE4 yet again for this one, or if they switched to UE5 just for this game.

[@lutherh6090]

Not sure if Switch can support Unreal 5

[@ultimat3lifeform]

@@lutherh6090Fortnite runs and that’s on ue5 they used the chaos emeralds on that one

[@X2011racer]

​@@ultimat3lifeform Fortnite is only using UE4. UE5 Fortnite was only shown to the public as a tech demo alongside the Matrix Tech Demo.

[@ultimat3lifeform]

@@X2011racer that’s plain false it has nanites and lumen exclusive feature to us5 and the switch version has all content and has cross play betweeen versions so it’s safe to say Fortnite is on. Ue5 on switch

[@Matthew93256]

​@@ultimat3lifeformSo does Gori, it used UE5 and got a Switch release. It surprisingly runs well there lol

[@BlulesBlue]

truly a 5/10 (pls nintendoids accept opinions)

[@commandertaco1762]

Ahhhh UE, the perfect engine to make games run like ass and look good. Case in point frostpunk 1 -> frostpunk 2

[@SmartZero-f8e]

GTA VI? 😂🤣

[@DK-210]

I was so disappointed when Link’s Awakening had frame rate issues and now I’m angry puts out garbage performance

[@joshuasanderson7359]

I didn't buy Link's Awakening or Echoes Of Wisdom because I refuse to support Nintendo putting out technically inferior products.

[@corgikun2579]

I played both and despite knowing the DF veredict I had a blast playing these games. I was so into the game and the story that I didn't even notice any issues. Great games, tons of fun

[@Stevenkadap98]

Graphic people be ruining the video game industry. With better graphics but lesser gameplay

[@Ribcut]

@@Stevenkadap98 They aren't mutually exclusive.

[@mavkajutsu]

@@corgikun2579 I feel exactly the same, I've watched the DF verdict for this game and I still had a blast! I think it helps when your already familiar of the previous Mario and Luigi games, the humor, and the exaggerated animation is fun to watch.

[@Beanzer80]

I notice frame drops but its not bad enough to bother me. Hopefully a patch can smooth things out.

[@69metersbelow25]

Probably won't as Nintendo doesn't patch frame rate for their first party games.They leave as is unless it's a big that stops the game from playing properly

[@Oceanandskylinevidss]

Its easily fixable, but Nintendo isnt know for fixing the game after release. If fans can do it with mods they for sure can.

[@Mahboishk]

It's already running at 60fps with a simple homebrew patch on modded consoles Overclocking is needed to maintain it in the overworld, but it feels much better to play that way

[@69metersbelow25]

@@Mahboishk my thoughts exactly.Devs are not patching frame rate in this game.Thats why I modded my system do what Ninten don't

[@Oceanandskylinevidss]

@@Mahboishk are you telling me its a 1080p60 game with mods?

[@terabitez3374]

I haven’t noticed any issues outside of the loading screens that bothered me the frame rate was fine and if anything I had less issues on my OLED when playing on my launch switch it sucks and for some reason it runs great on the lite 🤔

[@AntoniaStănescu-g2t]

Weird how Mario

[@DarkFusionPanda]

SAFETY 🏈

[@shachar5319]

why did they use ue4 the switch cant handle batman Arkham knight that ue3

[@guilhermejrmarin]

An UE game on switch with technical issues? Shocker

[@HighLogs_da_realist420]

To be fair though, at least this game is more consistent than most. The only time where a frame rate matters in this game is the battles, and it's pretty solid during those. To just base a game's quality off Frame pacing is aubsurd, but it does hinder the overall package a little bit. But to say "because it does drop a frame here and there ruins the entire experience" is just ignorant.

[@M3n2c3]

They didn't say that. John said the lengthy loading screens after every battle ruined the experience.

[@wifi961]

​@M3n2c3 That's the actual issue in my opinion but everyone is just complaining about the framerate as if it's scarlet and violet. They clearly want that switch 2.

[@HighLogs_da_realist420]

@M3n2c3 That is true, but that's more of a minor nit pick when a lot of other games do that, and shouldn't detract from the overall package.

[@Shyguymask]

@@HighLogs_da_realist420 Lengthy loading screens before every battle is a pretty big problem that adds up to a lot of wasted time, worsening the experience. It was a big problem in the Bowser's Inside Story remake (if not to a greater extent) which was one of the main things that made me dislike the remake, and it is a problem now. I don't want to play a game with bad framerate that somehow manages to also have bad loading times at the same time, at that point my time is better spent on smoother, more optimized games at that point.

[@Nicholas_Steel]

@HighLogs_da_realist420 You think it's okay to spend every second staring at uneven frame pacing? You don't think that constant exposure to a glaringly obvious, extremely noticeable issue isn't a big deal?

[@zachb4561]

I first played FFVI on the PSX, and the loading screens before and after battles did indeed almost ruin the game for me, so if this is anything like that... lol

[@Some-guy-on-the-internet]

Frame pacing was one of the first issues I noticed with the game. The minigame on Twistee Island where you have to knock a ball back and forth perfectly exemplifies this. The ball gradually gets faster the closer you get to 100 points and its movement eventually gets pretty difficult to track at 30fps. The real problem is the frequent stuttering that, at the speed you have to play at, can easily screw you over. It took me so many attempts to finally get to 100 cause there were moments where I was sure I had timed my inputs correctly but the game lagged for just a single frame and it completely messed up my timing.

[@swankyangelo]

That’s not new to Nintendo. I mean superstar saga is like that where it’s so janky it’s hard to do things with precision…the game was still fun though

[@DoctorTex]

I mean, as long as the game is functional and fun, which of the 6 or 7 hours ive played so far, it IS.

[@halkon4412]

Consoom mediocrity

[@DoctorTex]

@@halkon4412 Okay, got anything to actually add to the conversation?

[@kevinbuchanan67]

I was loving the game, then I got to a point to where the boss was introduced...his name is Patriarc....we're fighting the Patriarc....I hope this was an activist translaters doing and not the developers doing

[@SfinxVid]

Could be that the game is made with the new Nintendo hardware in mind but still wanted to release it on the Switch as well. If the new hardware really is as close as rumors suggest, I think this theory is quite likely to be the case here

[@pjy68]

I have it on switch and its a shame because this game runs awesome on emulator with mods. 60fps and these animations look incredible. Theyre seriously so fun to look at. Hoping the Switch 2 can do what we all want with these games

[@TheErlend87]

Shat emulator and mods are you using? Im having huge lagg problems on riujinx

[@Jirizo1]

​@@TheErlend87🤭

[@pjy68]

@@TheErlend87 yeah not that one. The other one crashes at moments but i got some hours in before i decided to start my switch playthrough. but i just wanted to see the future possibilities

[@mikedrzi5240]

Playing on emulator doesn't tell much. Because I doubt you are using 7year old PC that costed 300$.

[@ShanGamer1981]

good old outdated hardware

[@barebarekun161]

So that IGN review guy was right about the game's performance issues, but the crowd there engaged on mob rule so there's no use of being the one talking sense there in the comment section full of hate fueled trolls and folks that only commenting out their asses seeking likes and validation.

[@lucaboss4491]

The problem is that IGN is of the same ilk, when it omits the major problems present in certain SONY titles.

[@CAPCOM784]

You never depend on a woke company like IGN for gaming reviews.😂

[@barebarekun161]

@@CAPCOM784 I simply just agreed with reviewer's criticisms on the game. Doesn't mean I agree and relied on every review they made lol.

[@KarlTheExpert]

​@@barebarekun161Don't bother, those people aren't capable of parsing whole sentences and consider the context. They see a word and deliver a preconceived response, making any sense be damned.

[@takeshinakamura4543]

Makes me wish even more that the Switch 2 would have back-compat with cartridges AND a performance boost for these games. Only then will I tap into the Switch library. I'm not playing a beautiful Link's Awakening reboot bogged down by horrible frame rate. Its 60 FPS OR NOTHING BABY.

[@Mahboishk]

I wouldn't count on a performance boost. Literally every time Nintendo has done back compat, they go out of their way to do the opposite by downclocking the specs to match the original console. GB/GBC on GBA, GBA on DS, DS on 3DS, GCN on Wii, Wii on Wii U - every single one of them does this

[@Chamberz55]

1:59 yes new Tenchu please. Nice vid and im not even into rpgs.

[@superjumpbros64]

Fun game, but isnt like the previous games. Loving the world though and the characters. Just sad they removed a few details such as the hype music, the iconic giant shoe, hammer, etc when encountering other enemies, etc. Although, Im glad to see this back

[@nighttimestalker]

Music was a big let down to me compared to last games. Especially the final boss theme. Nothing about it even sounds like a final battle situation.

[@rudyelliott2134]

Especially with the graphics being so simplistic and stylized I don’t see how they let this slip through. I’m going to be honest I usually like cel shading/stylized graphics but I think this looks bland and ugly. Even comparing it to the art styles of older Mario and Luigi games.

[@ChaosAngelZero]

inb4 switch 2 re-release and forced double dipping

[@UberManlyPirate]

Ace Combat 7 on Switch uses UE4 and it's a buttery smooth 30 fps with frankly Impressive graphics and effects for the whole game. (I played 60 hours of it) Nintendo is just lazy with optimisation.

[@SmartZero-f8e]

This is not UE4 though!

[@UberManlyPirate]

@SmartZero-f8e They said it was Ue4 No?

[@SmartZero-f8e]

@@UberManlyPirate would be even more funny then!

[@nocturnalag7695]

Yep, AC7 is UE4 on switch.

[@TheSurfheart]

Unreal engine continues to be crap

[@wifi961]

It's annoying that people talk about frame drops and then they don't show them in the video.

[@OrenSaidAThing]

Well this is from the DF podcast so they wouldn't be showing any technical analysis

[@miltiadiskoutsokeras9189]

It was looking too good in early videos. Now we know I guess.

[@cluesagi]

Let's hope it gets a next-gen patch

[@jordicoma]

It's not that the switch is not powerful enough to run this game. It needs to be optimized. Also unreal is very resource heavy engine and slow.

[@Mahboishk]

I wouldn't count on it. Nintendo goes out of their way to clock DOWN their consoles during back compat. Sure it could change with the Switch 2, but they've literally never done differently before

[@Jyncks2]

I believe Chrono Trigger on PS3 had loading in and out of battle. Remember disliking that version despite the additional FMV's

[@King_Luigi]

I believe that's cause it was just a downloadable version of the PS1 port of the game. Taking something that was originally a cartridge based game and porting it to a CD back then was pretty rough.

[@bmac6502]

North American Hockey fans at least will understand the “own goal”.

[@AP90x]

Looks like that ign reviewer was right. Stop discrediting people because of who they work for.

[@MyNameDolan]

Definitely should've been a Switch 2 game.

[@flyingplantwhale545]

Or made by competent devs? This thing looks so much worse than Odyssey from 7 years ago. And also manages to run like sh*t.

[@ultimat3lifeform]

@@flyingplantwhale545acquire made it they made octopath traveler

[@gwimbly519]

Im not sure what im supposed to be seeing in the footage

[@ronthorn3]

A game that little kids will play…😂

[@mikeuk666]

​@ronthorn3 coming from someone who's comment history reads like a little kid 😂

[@mkjjoe]

@@ronthorn3 imagine an adult worried about that

[@jboogie915]

@@ronthorn3you’re a grown ass man why are you focused on what kids play?.. weird ass dude 😂😂😂

[@TheBrownLamb]

Nintendo pls stop using unreal engine

[@mavkajutsu]

Nintendo didn't make the game, Acquire did.

[@TheBrownLamb]

@@mavkajutsu I am well aware- it’s still a Nintendo game as in they published it. Nintendo themselves as a developer HAS used UE though..take a look at Pikmin 4 which also has some pretty bad image problems

[@creativecatproductions]

Do these guys even remember why people play games 😅

[@1000MEGASHOCK]

For smooth 60fps gameplay, like Super Mario Bros. in 1985?

[@creativecatproductions]

@ when I consider the best selling NES games…. like Ninja Gaiden or Ninja Turtles….im inclined to think no one actually cared. Slow down, flicker? These technical minutiae do matter, but not to the degree these contemporary retrogamers go. They get out their oscilloscopes and spend hours play testing for input latency that’s functionally imperceptible…. Meanwhile, they could just play the game? Or not? Its odd.

[@1000MEGASHOCK]

@@creativecatproductions My point on framerate is that 60fps as a standard goes back to the 1970s, so it's frustrating when developers treat 60fps as an unrealistic expectation, as if they're still stuck with Jaguar / 3DO level hardware that doesn't give them the choice to prioritize performance.

[@Crusty783]

The worst thing about this game for me is that it's just been astonishingly boring and kinda finnicky to play so far. Can't believe I'm saying this but I might even prefer Paper Jam to it.

[@SoujiaSoldierKitty]

How is it finicky when the gameplay is the exact same, just the timing behind different?

[@barebarekun161]

Same, the game's pace is also pretty slow and quite handholding compared to the likes of TTYD or Superstar Saga. Simplistic dialogue didn't help either, when they give you fast forward option right at the beginning of the game you know dialogue is forgettable most of the time. You can only run purely on nostalgia and child-like charm for so long until you feel sick to it and this game the prime example of that, their magic is wearing off.

[@Crusty783]

@@SoujiaSoldierKittythe gameplay isnt the exact same. luigi is now way more automated than he was in previous games, with the game actively punishing you for trying to manually time the bros jumps like in the original games. whats even worse is that Luigi's AI is dumb as bricks and will force Mario to jump off of a platforming segment and link back up with him if he falls.

[@SmartZero-f8e]

@@SoujiaSoldierKitty "when the gameplay is the exact same" 😂🤣

[@brandonsclips7741]

​@barebarekun161 The IGN guy is literally turning out to be the meme where the guys are yelling at Christ and the caption is just "They hated him because he spoke the truth"

[@NicolasSilvaVasault]

i miss tenchu

[@bubblebo94]

DF really prioritizing a Horizon remaster over a new Mario & Luigi game is wild

[@yavorchernaev39]

It should have been released on the switch 2!

[@WheeledHamster]

This cartoony looking crap? Giving this game too much credit.

[@MattWillPrior]

​@@WheeledHamsterYou deserve to be ratio'd with this comment

[@lpnp9477]

You mean PC

[@iStricer]

If only 🙏 At this point I’m hoping for the Switch2 to enhance original Switch games.

[@yavorchernaev39]

@@WheeledHamster I actually like the graphics style, but this game would have benefited greatly from the next gen hardware!

[@LuniMW]

You dump on the game because is not woke, while you praised barbage Dragon Age: Failguard

[@pencilcheck]

going to still play on switch and happy that they are on switch, pretty sure all of those games on switch will be on switch 2 anyway.

[@thebballguy233]

Can you still download yuzu and ryujinx?

[@ZBC2003]

Not from the official websites, but I'm pretty sure you can find archive downloads.

[@XZ-III]

I estimate switch devs do 30fps for batery reasons (when john is talking about the sonic generations part)

[@sd19delta16]

That would be understandable if the Switch didn't already have good battery life (~3Hrs on launch Switch and more on newer Switch models) running fully uncapped. I'm sure most people would be perfectly happy to sacrifice an hour of battery life to get 60fps in portable mode.

[@MrDjBoyLover]

​@@sd19delta16 or better : having the choice 30 or 60 😎

[@alrightylol]

Atleast for me Richards teeth catches the eye to much when he is shown to close 4.30-5m, not sure if thats ligjhting but its distracting.

[@DistinctionDino]

It’s the British way

[@BBWahoo]

Jon has Alpha Judean teeth, but Richard has sissy anglo teety

[@FoehnWinds]

For the devs reading this, NEVER USE UNREAL ENGINE

[@ultimat3lifeform]

Why if unity shot themselves in the foot and I shouldn’t use unreal engine do I only use godot and that’s it I should have freedom of choice and what if godot doesn’t support my dreams

[@DasAntiNaziBroetchen]

@@ultimat3lifeform Don't argue with gamers about game *development.*

[@justanorange2038]

Dude, what in the jesus christ has the engine ANYTHING TO DO with this?

[@pennywisethedancingclown7139]

Only Sony and Xbox can get flack for performance issues. Nintendo always gets a pass, because "the hardware"... Like it's not Nintendos fault lol

[@donkeypong1847]

Nintendo got flack here for performance issues so you should be happy

[@wrldonwill]

Shut up. 😂

[@deprofundis442]

​@@donkeypong1847Not without the Nintendo army stacking up on defense.

[@yarc9]

@@pennywisethedancingclown7139 you haters just want to be wrong all the time haters always spread the wrong information

[@John_Smith5]

I’m still very disappointed Nintendo decided to port Xenoblade Chronicles X to switch instead of the successor. They could have pushed that remaster SO much more with better hardware

[@jamesglover5149]

It’s only a remaster and they might give it a patch for switch 2.

[@legoman2313]

We’ll switch 2 is compatible so that might help it in the long run

[@anthonytitone]

It’ll likely be treated as close to a cross gen title, they get to hit on late switch sales when no new games r coming out & hit on new Switch 2 owners with next gen patches for all the Xenoblade games

[@nintendork07]

probably not likely, but they could always just drop a specialized patch for switch 2. it seems more like a remaster, than a remake. just a lot of texture enhancements

[@WhiteInk47]

How are you going to push a Wii U remaster that much hardware w/ newer hardware?

[@andreaskohn3107]

I thought Todd Howard is part of the DF Team for a sec

[@taijikimura247]

What’s with the guys face on the click?

[@XXtheJUMPoffXX]

He was so disappointed in the technical performance

[@Stevenkadap98]

Why is framerate so important. The game looks playable to me

[@ultimat3lifeform]

I agree looks amazing could’ve been better performance but from what I’ve played of the game it’s good

[@jsostick]

People blaming the switch for the uneven pacing when it has nothing to do with it, mlre powerful hardware wouldn't help

[@e.l.4409]

I'll be honest, I get the IGN 5/10 review.

[@diegozmeixplaylive90]

i'm sorry Mario + Luigi Brothership nintendo switch 30 fps unreal engine 4 wtf?🤷

[@Tomtycoon]

This game could look way nicer on switch 2. When you get a close ups of Mario and Luigi, (Luigi logic) they have way better looking models. Imagine those models all the time. It now kinda looks like a HD version of a 3DS game.

[@jsostick]

Thus game already looks awesome, you don't need a 1 million poligon model for a small size character far away from the camera

[@mikeuk666]

​@@jsostickonly issue is frame pacing

[@flyingplantwhale545]

This thing looks graphically FAR inferior to Mario Odyssey from 7 YEARS AGO, runs at half the frame rate.... AND has added performance issues? That's pretty impressive.

[@phant0m_633]

This is not from in-house mario team. It's from third party studio; "acquire" owned by Kodakawa. It's an important distinction.

[@flyingplantwhale545]

@@phant0m_633 Nintendo delegates who make their games and how. At the end of the day it's their IP and they have to ensure their products are of high quality. You can conjure whatever excuse you want, but at the very end of Switch's lifespan, this is a f*cking pitiful display of incompetence.

[@Blasarius0]

@@flyingplantwhale545 Damn right.

[@Ribcut]

@@phant0m_633 Then don't charge the same price. This was being sold as a $60 game, so I'm going to judge it as a $60 game. It's perfectly valid to compare it to Mario Odyssey. Personally I'm loving Mario & Luigi Brothership so far, but every point the OP made was completely valid. Your response however wasn't. Explaining why something is bad doesn't make it good.

[@benjaminmartin2922]

I was playing it 2 hours yesterday and seriously its not a switch game, its a 3ds game with a resolution boost. It looks a bit like Pokemon sword and shield, which had also the same assets as pokemon sun and moon on 3ds. This mario and luigi has probably been développed long long time ago.

[@Mahboishk]

The game's required firmware version is 15.0.0, which came out in 2021. This implies that the game has been finished and sitting around for 4 years!

[@benjaminmartin2922]

@Mahboishk Im really not surprised when I look at the graphics 😂

[@SmartZero-f8e]

@@Mahboishk Outch!

[@Bleedblue6487]

Ballsy making this video. Nintendo fans dont like any criticism what so ever.

[@yarc9]

@@Bleedblue6487 most of the criticism is stupid

[@Zinkolo]

Yeah reviewers generally don't understand Nintendo games versus the cinematic modern AAA garbage that comes out. Not that all of it is bad but games like dragon age and forespoken are what they appeal to more generally speaking. ​@@yarc9

[@kevinbuchanan67]

Boo hoo to you 😢

[@ronthorn3]

@@Zinkoloyeah Nintendo just makes the best little kiddie “games” on the planet. Press A to move forward basically, no skill required, just drool all over your self and you’ll get to the finish line pretty quickly.

[@yarc9]

@@ronthorn3 your dumb

[@Cae_the_Kitsune]

As interesting as DF's technical analysis is, the level of their standards is honestly a bit ridiculous at times. They say the incorrect frame pacing "sticks out like a sore thumb," yet I would genuinely have no idea it was even there if they hadn't pointed it out, and even then, I can't see when it happens unless I'm literally advancing the game footage one frame at a time. And then saying the loading "borderline ruins the game" feels like they've been spoiled by consoles with SSDs. Certain transitions do take a moment, and I won't deny how nice it would be if those were more immediate, but it's far, far from unacceptable.

[@ConcernedGD]

So many people are complaining about the fps, but I literally don’t even see it. I’ve played for 11 hours and I haven’t seen/minded the 30fps.

[@Zinkolo]

I'll just overclock my switch like I've been doing for years now then..

[@bradaloop]

This won't fix poor frame pacing

[@69metersbelow25]

​@@bradaloop a 60 fps mod will which is already out

[@jsostick]

@@bradaloop true it wouldn't but I'm sure there's a mod to fix it out there already

[@mikeuk666]

​@69metersbelow25 you need to understand what frame pacing is 🤦‍♂️

[@69metersbelow25]

@@mikeuk666 Don't care.60 fps mod makes it way smoother than without it.Most switch games suck because it's always the safe 30fps.

[@86RSJag]

Huge Nintendo fan here. Pushing 40. iPhone 7… was the best iPhone you could get when switch launched. The best graphics card available was the 1080ti. So whilst I am scratching my eyes out at some of these ugly and poorly running Nintendo games. I think we all have to remember how outdated the switch is at this point. I just hope that the new switch 2 has enough horsepower to run games at a decent level. TotK was so ugly on my 70in TV.

[@Mahboishk]

The Switch's actual tech is capable of quite a bit more, but Nintendo downclocked everything very aggressively in order to ensure hardware stability and battery life. Modded Switches can play TotK at 60fps, while consuming less power and heat than normal, if properly undervolted/overclocked. Of course this isn't official, but it shows just how much power was left on the table.

[@hibye4062]

@@Mahboishk They also did it for thermals. Also only newer switches are capable of being overclocked enough to play TotK at 60, and that's genuinely overclocking the SoC, not just removing the underclock.

[@Mahboishk]

@@hibye4062 I have TotK running at a rock solid 60fps on my day 1 Switch actually, but you're right, it requires a genuine overclock that includes undervolting in order to stay within power constraints. Erista has way less overclocking potential compared to Mariko, but it's still incredible just how much more performance you can squeeze out of the older chipset with enough tweaking.

[@jamjam445]

I cant play mintendo games anymore. Didnt even play the new Zelda, and that's shocking for me. I really hope they patch these games to run better on switch 2 now that it's confirmed backwards compatible

[@realptkyle]

Iwata rolling in his grave rn. Don’t whore yourself out Nintendo.

[@TatankaTaylor]

TRANSLATION OF THIS VIDEO: "Nintendo needs to release the Switch 2. We will criticize every game that comes out for OG Switch. Cuz we can't keep talking about the PS5 Pro!"

[@mikeuk666]

Translation: an issue with frame pacing that needs to be patched

[@mkjjoe]

Should they not mention the issue? Or maybe not review Switch games entirely?

[@thomasvlund]

Translation of this comment: “I can’t bear the thought of someone criticising my precious Nintendo and I will ignore every good point made by someone who criticises new game launches for it by deflecting and mentioning another console’s recent launch as the sole reason for this criticism towards my beloved, aging console”

[@penguinreloaded7756]

I mean... they needed to set boundaries so that the game would run at a consistent frame rate. This is pretty unacceptable. Obviously the Switch 2 is overdue... but they chose to release this is Switch. They should have made a game for the current hardware or simply waited for improved hardware.

[@TheSoxor123]

I'm sure when the PS5 Pro has performance issues, DF will make a video on it. This is about Nintendo. Are we not allowed to point out performance issues, or do you think ignoring them will solve the problem?

[@DoinThatRag]

What is with the color shading in this game? It looks terrible! The back of Mario's hat is purple, or his sleeves near his gloves. And Luigi shades to blue, like his pants? Lots of other things shaded really weirdly having to many colors. It just looks... not great. My eyes can't ignore it. And of course, it plays like crap. It also isn't much fun really. Admittedly I didn't play too long cause I felt like I was fighting with the game just to play so maybe it gets better later but it just wasn't fun.

[@barebarekun161]

Yeah, this game can look too colorful and oversaturated. Like they overdone with the shading as well, Mario and Luigi look as if they fell into a tank full of color dye.

[@idgaffub]

30fps on switch just sucks I'm not sure if I'd buy next gen console if they are also 30fps games

[@geminijinxies7258]

I'm sure with a more powerful console they'll just optimize the games less so we still end up with 30fps. But hopefully I'm wrong.

[@jsostick]

​@@geminijinxies7258people are still playing 30 fps on ps5

[@geminijinxies7258]

@@jsostick Yeah. That's insane! And it proves my point.

[@Oceanandskylinevidss]

​@@jsostick Yup I have been playing Dead space remake with 4k 30 mode. Its plays great, going to do a impossible difficultly on the 60 mode. Everyone on this channel are just entitled spoiled brats. End of the world if it drops 1 fps. You can't tell me to get a PC cuz I work at a gaming PC company.

[@DuelingPeaks]

@@idgaffub Every console has 30fps games.