MBPP EP. 616 - The Most Talked About Man In Fitness, Knees Over Toes Guy Ben Patrick

[@cactivation07]

Rounding my back cured 14 years of back pain. From being bed ridden at one stage for 20 hours a day for months on end to thriving. Thank you Ben and the ATG group for what you do.

[@wellnesspathforme6236]

Look into the Root Cause Protocol and the Zone Diet. Both are anti-inflammatory diets. The former focuses on minerals, enzymes, and efficient cellular energy production, the latter focuses on hormonal and correct fat balance.

[@JohnSmith-zs1bf]

Do they talk about back rounding in here? What specifically are you doing/ where can I learn more? Thanks

[@xxFR12]

@@JohnSmith-zs1bf (slant board) jefferson curls

[@FieldBoy111]

Thats crazy

[@jarettmeyer4929]

The backward walking completely saved my knees. After working as a fedex delivery driver for almost 2 years I would run from the truck to each house/apartment, sometimes totaling 9 miles a day. By 8 months into the job my knees hurt so much I would just fall into chairs cause as soon as I started the bend I couldn’t take the pain. I was able to do box squats the same way but no oly lifting or deep free squats due to the pain. Started dragging a tire with a 25lb plate in it walking backward and 2 weeks later I had zero pain and was back to snatching, cleaning and full squatting completely pain free. Thank you for your help!!! I was getting nervous the pain might never go away before I found you.

[@JesusChrist2000BC]

Did you do it uphill or on grass? Also how long did you do it what was your protocol like?

[@jarettmeyer4929]

@@JesusChrist2000BC I’ve got a long driveway I did it on. 100ft long about 4-6 trips a day depending on soreness I adjusted the weight. The end of the driveway is a little downhill and very old so it adds a lot of friction.

[@LeWy0105]

How many times a week do you practice walking backward?

[@noanaandkoko8037]

"There's just no advantage to being weak in an area." -Ben Patrick

[@jakobalgeblad6732]

Strength is always strength + you are only as strong as your weakest link

[@DerekMcMahon_]

Ben is on another level. You have changed the way I train and the way I train all of my clients. The body moves as a unit and we NEED to think about this stuff. Thank you so much for this podcast

[@TheSchyllerwade]

I've been watching this podcast a lot more in recent months. glad I came across it. Conversations like these are the reason I enjoyed podcasts like JRE, good to find others like it

[@nickc3365]

Rehabbing a full rupture of my Achilles in July and knee pain on the injured side started almost immediately upon starting weights with anything near 90degrees with or without weight. Been working with physio and all the info I can find for a couple months with zero success. Started walking backwards on my treadmill, doing the tibialis exercise and the squat lunge (at my level) and I can move again pain free in 2 days. I'm a 37yr old, 300lbs powerlifter and I've never done any mobility anything as I never struggled with depth/ mobility on squats or deads but always stiff in life with constant pulls. Future is looking promising. Thanks for the content.

[@michaelhutchinson1789]

I could listen to you all talk about this stuff for 8 hours a day. Ben radiates passion and at the same time has an unquenchable thirst for new information. Even if I didn't use his paid services anymore I would continue to send the money simply to support him, his family and his amazing work.

[@darthtesla301]

I'm here everyday learning how to be a better person by watching Nsima

[@prestonshirley9864]

When Mark and Ben said that about 100 reps on a band I went and did it. Crazy pump with a band that I didn't even feel on the first 20 reps. Loved it!

[@evasku79]

I think one of bens biggest breakthroughs is connecting the feet all the way up to the glutes via fascia, and it starts in his first program ‘Zero’ with the soleus raises, when you squeeze the glutes while stretching that soleus and do the raises, you can literally feel your whole leg on fire. Backwards sled walking too. Ben is a genius of athleticism

[@hvaranhvaran]

This Pod had skyrocketed in quality this year. Thank you!

[@Azwrestler106]

Pretty cool to have Don Frye hosting today's podcast

[@Alvaro_Athletics]

Ben's passion is contagious

[@jfitness432]

Great stuff as usual but one area he touched on briefly was shoulder pain. I think a ton of people have super tight lats, get a butchers block or use a bench. Kneel down on the ground and you’ll be bent over with your elbows on the bench holding a dowel rod as if you were going to curl except you need to keep your HANDS OUTSIDE YOUR ELBOWS. Make sure you’re drawing your ribs down from a hunched over position and do curls with the rod, you won’t be able to get too much ROM but your getting the best lat stretch in the world

[@luc_dogg]

Seminar was dope! Thanks for opening your gym to all of us and shoutout to Ben and the atg coaches🙏

[@malachitisch7494]

Oh boy! Excited to see what you’re gonna talk about, considering you covered a TON in the 3 HOUR podcast you had last time.

[@SerratusAnterior]

"Relax your eyes" is probably the most romantic que I've ever heard. And helpful too. I was suffering from a tight neck

[@Mark-mu2or]

This KZbin channel is criminally underated.

[@METAL__MECHANIC]

Agree. Been watching since episode 1, and was following Mark before that. Definitely deserves more views, but I'm also not sure how many people listen on other platforms.

[@zachh127zh]

So excited! Please ask him if these protocols work on people with arthritis or cartilage damage. And specific examples of them working. I'm 24 and have these issue. God Bless!

[@6pac.]

It's not live you know that?

[@zachh127zh]

@@6pac. Not yet! I'm hoping they see my comment before hand.

[@MarkBellsPowerProject]

It’s not live, a Premiere is pre recorded. We filmed this Sunday night.

[@zachh127zh]

@@MarkBellsPowerProject Dang! Thank you for the heads up!

[@saichisugimoto1660]

To answer that, yes you can, but NEVER work through pain. Little by little you'll see results but don't work through pain.

[@METAL__MECHANIC]

I need to check his program out. My body has been jacked for a while. I hurt my back deadlifting about 4 years ago and it hasn't been right since. Not in chronic pain, but I've tweaked it numerous times since the original injury. Turned 40 this year, time to focus on better movement instead of just strength.

[@BodybuildingJourneys]

I’ll do a proper write up and DM Ben soon but after a severe meniscus tear in January I am finally back to full range of motion without pain or tightness and it’s 100% down to KOT zero programme.

[@Blindstoic]

Reminder set.

[@MarkBellsPowerProject]

This man get it. Thanks dude.

[@jamberkel]

@@MarkBellsPowerProject same. I want to hear Mark's opinion himself of the 90 degree stuff that Joel Seedman advocates. It seemed like Mark might have actually related to Joel's opinion that working on ROM often leads to joint issues...? It also seems like Mark might be more into Ben's short ROM stuff like walking backwards, less into the ATG split squat? Can't wait to hear it.. I tried six weeks of ATG Zero paid subscription, some things improved but I actually developed knee pain which I did NOT have before starting the program (progressed split squat too quickly I would assume)

[@markcampbell8158]

@@jamberkel I would say you went to fast good man. Why not just start out walking backwards for the next 30 days ? 5 to 10 minutes. Then go to the second step. Try smaller parts and the build up. If that doesn’t work, stop. It’s always trail and error. Good luck 👍

[@derekstento6172]

The knees over toes guy is on the verge of something amazing.

[@jeremypritchett6630]

Thanks Ben, had knee surgery for a bad munucis tear and thank to you I have hope for a great and full recovery!!!

[@Whatsth3ruckus]

Brilliant. I just thought, you don't even need to buy a sled, just put your car in neutral and push it back and forth in the driveway or somewhere else safely if you don't have a driveway, that is if you have a car. And a car tire with heavy plates inside of it or a heavy truck tire with a strap and rope could be used for sled pulls if you don't want to buy a sled.

[@coach_aziz_saighi]

im 40 minutes into rewatching the first podcast with ben and i you just post this!! great day today

[@BakiWho]

much love man! spread the word on how going down to a full range squat, atg dip, tri band push down and sled push is some of the most important things you will do in life!!!

[@paradopower4853]

Nice Tommy Kono shout out! Had the pleasure of talking story with him and watch him coach weightlifters here in Hawaii!

[@jasonlane74]

Many more of these weekends to come. The energy of this event will build! The momentum is unstoppable!!

[@kbflorida888]

17:15 this man is a saint. The facts of life - calmly stated - and yet providing the hope to change.

[@domingosilva3159]

Great conversation that always leads to more to research and deep dive

[@wojakwoes3970]

Epic, thanks fellas!

[@Iranatg]

Great episode thank you all 💪😎

[@Noneedw]

i got hurt, i was training for strength and progressing fast and didnt pay too much attention to the slight imflamation/pain i just kept going and my ac joint area gave when i misangled on incline bench rep i been out for 10months. im gonna make a comeback this year. i was on track for 405 bench at 150lb my last pr was 330lb 10months ago

[@LRkun]

In college i ran for hours, you get the runners high too where the more you run, the more you don't want to stop. Form helps and recovery is very important. Ice on the knees was what we used to put and alternate cycling/swimming to running.

[@ahrengroesch8774]

I want that dedicated podcast to the low back so badly.

[@JoelP1961]

I really enjoyed this, Ben is a genius. Love all of you though! 💪💪💪

[@MusicIsLife112990]

Amazing video . These are definitely the facts for elite athletic performance..Definitely “Knees over Toes”❗️

[@luisfernandoenrique]

Amazing. Thank you guys

[@marekkucak6581]

I'm a simple guy. I see Ben Patrick and I click.

[@michaelwellner8151]

Always forward thinking you guys are great 👍

[@GabrielMartinsFitness]

He seemed to be nervous on the podcast but the dude rocked, some solid knowledge here

[@user-ee1fn4vt8b]

I think the volume gating on his mic was weird in the beginning, makes it seems like he’s speaking with weird pauses

[@owenmilberry682]

31:54 I relate so much to this. When I do tibialis raises I feel almost a punp in like the sides of my lower back and it feels so good.

[@jp2135744]

please do more training videos with ben for the back plzzzzz

[@hectorviesca3459]

If Derek rose connected with you after his first injury, I truly believe he would be top 10 if not 5 point guards ever.

[@craigcrawford6749]

Been in Asia 21 years. Taiwan, Japan. I have watched people exercising in parks and elsewhere for two decades. Never saw any Asian walk backwards, or even talk about it. I've coached here for almost all that time. Pretty sure it would've come up. Having said that, I agree with almost all of what he says and a lot of it even ties into Smashworx knee rehab thinking. I have totally revamped my knees with backwards pulling and deep sissy squats.

[@HairyFlowers]

In Korea I see it routinely, mostly hiking backwards up hills

[@liquidbrainstorm]

I've seen it in japan and China a lot. Almost every day down the local parks.

[@MissBardoJeep]

I lived in China and saw it all the time.

[@luthersullivan5141]

I sprint foreward and backward at the gym about 25 yards at a time. I also walk backward om the treadmill and stairmill. Most people look at me like i am crazy. I also( imaginary) tight rope walk backwards Much less knee pain. But like Ben says these tendons need more time to heal irs true. I have over done it.

[@ZachCastro10]

Ben didn’t find that seated good morning joke funny LMFAO

[@Bling92]

10/10 for timestamps

[@guilhermesampaio5318]

I wish you guys have talked about the atlas stones rounding back when talking about lower back. It is such an interesting exercise.

[@SoyElta]

Tommy Kono was the world's most successful body builder and weight lifter in the same year. A feat that has not been recreated since, and likely never will.

[@misterbulger]

Try telemark skiing for the ultimate knees over toes challenge! It's a ton of fun. Probably the most difficult thing you could try too lol. I never had knee pain.

[@MindfulAttraction]

Where can I find the 1880 Nordic photo

[@NoRoidsStrongJoints]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/bH-mf2mhhMaanLs

[@datosekhniashvili8716]

I learn something Everytime i watch this show. This is the greatest fitness podcast ever

[@ricknydam4705]

I would love to get clarence kennedy and Ben in the same room. If anyone has seen Clarence Kennedy's full squat his ankle flexabilty is just nuts. His knees are way over the toes and he does it with like 3x his body weight.

[@shift_work]

So good fellas

[@hibberish7498]

I’m doing the knees over toes exercises

[@dianabailey9757]

At one point in time PT counseled adamantly against any form of spinal hyper extension. Yet what was a common source of back injury? Moving from flexion to extension. PT industry literally tried ti eliminate 50% of ROM thinking that would cure it. Entirely opposite situation occurred!

[@AvalancheBT]

Gotta watch this later

[@arnar9478]

Ben interrupts himself with "you know what I mean"

[@CutiePie696]

Good shit Miroke

[@Kickitwithquan]

I dare someone to count how many times Ben says “You KNoW WhAt I MeAn” ahahah

[@Ricky-Noll]

These are my favorite ones

[@alz.7716]

Joel Seedman is a genius, because he discovered that people are stronger when doing partial reps as opposed to full range of motion. From now on, I will only do board presses, rack presses, rack DL lockouts, etc., because that's where I'm strongest.

[@chris51ification]

I can’t tell if your trolling or not

[@alz.7716]

@@chris51ification I am.

[@nondrowzee]

Mark out here lookin like Omni-man with the mustache lol

[@adorabletaco9736]

i think were probably a bit beyond saying knees over toes is good because some ppl can do it and have x result. i think we should look at anatomy and form and thats about it.

[@ZachCastro10]

I’m not sure if it’s just me but I feel like Ben interrupted Mark a few times and Mark made a funny face. Haha

[@kingkirisuto7225]

Dang ben, "people thinking about why their in pain so much but they got a bunch of weak links and they are not putting the work in to fix them." OMG thats me

[@drewlussier6203]

Fantastic episode. Really enjoyed both the information and the levity in the conversation

[@timothygrant2831]

Whats good for Meniscus regeneration?

[@itsmecory]

“And my favorite part of it is, it doesn’t break the bank“ : 100 dollars for a long sleeve and 60 for a short. I workout 7 days a week I ain’t got 2500 dollars to spend on workout apparel. We don’t all got that KZbin money and sponsorship swag.

[@hyperborea7202]

This is brilliant

[@heidikeller50]

What are tibs? Tibialis anterior?

[@DrBerns]

you guys need to get Naudi Aguilar from Functional Patterns on this podcast

[@foleskinfoley8617]

Paul chek for the power project 🙌🏻

[@manuelchamorropaladino5894]

the lower back part hase totally forgot about louie simmons reverse back extension, you even named him with bands, love everything you are talking about, im not hating, just saying louie lived the pain i found that movment, it can be done with bands and with just a table meaning no equipement virtualy, thank you for sharing you kwouledge

[@rossv3436]

Gotta keep the stache Mark!

[@serban2139]

It's funny not many elite powerlifters think about their weakest link and getting those stronger because the body work as a whole like the knees overtoes guy is saying.. Get some tibialis work in, QL, maybe core maybe hams bit stronger then go back to squat and deadlifts and boom PR...

[@ericc.3464]

Mark Bell Staff, please get Christopher Sommer from Gymnastic bodies on your show 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@vincentsolis5149]

I find it hilarious when people who are as active as Mark talk about counting their steps. No effort is too small I suppose.

[@gabrielestrada4803]

Have the super old and out of shape start with a shopping cart and keep filling it up

[@MathiasonBoxing]

Wenning warmups - listened to the first podcast and straight onto this - great motivation to strive to being pain free 👊🏻

[@Ryan-jc2lj]

I’m curious if these guys have ever actually even visited the website they sponsor.

[@6pac.]

There's something weird going on with Patrick's audio.

[@badboy95ca]

Ben " you know what i mean" Patrick 😆

[@WhiteChode101]

Great content

[@BakedRussianSpud]

Let's go marksmellybell

[@Ryan415]

Seems like the audio isn't synced up with the video quite right

[@kchuen]

Do 10 tib raises every time Ben says ‘you know what I mean?’ and we will all have the strongest tibs.

[@Brahvooo]

Idk if a $48 tee shirt is really “not breaking the bank” status

[@prins424]

My €5 gym shorts look better than those found following that link.

[@Gundisalvus_97]

“You know what I mean?” -Ben Patrick

[@mikea327]

68 bucks for shorts I thought it was affordable lol.

[@kslater203]

"you know what I mean," Ben Patrick

[@incorectulpolitic]

please link to these infinity bands

[@boxingformma4543]

Excellent talk! Less "You know / You know what I mean" and it would have been perfect.

[@JesusChrist2000BC]

He's saying a lot of the same things Joel Seedman got crucified for. Partial reps, stronger in the middle range, do what you can do and don't go beyond that range of motion etc etc. People can hate on Seedman all they want but his approach is similar to this guy but KoT guy seems to get away with saying it and nobody criticizes him.

[@jamberkel]

I completely agree.

[@saichisugimoto1660]

Simply because people don't go deep enough into what Seedman has to say. Me, firstly wasn't aware of this. And it is mainly because Seedman lost his audience with too complicated explanations. Never getting to the point and using vocabulary far too complex for most people. In order to make us think, that he knows what he's talking about and we don't. The exercices he shows with a lot a complexifications in it. Even if he said that what he shows is the smallest part of what he really sells in his programs and coaching. This guy, depicted this way, seems unreliable, and none of us wants to know more about his techniques, sadly.

[@mrgrumpycat9049]

agreed, and not many people know this but whoever followed Dr.Stuart McGill works for the past years must know that Ben has "potentially" spreading poison with his ATG Split Squat (it does wonder for the knees and it is scientifically proven but it also may caused serious SI Joint Issues because how the hip extended to the extreme) and Weighted Jefferson Curl (weighted lumbar extension is a spine killer, literally. i got Disc Bulge doing this shit, with only 10kg on hand, with perfect form) im grateful for Ben for bringing the awareness on how to directly strengthen the knee, but im also aware that not everything he said and teach are credible

[@saichisugimoto1660]

@@mrgrumpycat9049 I'm currently following Ben's program (for about 6 months now) and the program is built in order to reduce the risk of injuries. I did not know about Dr Stuart McGil, thank you I'm going to check on this. However, I have done the Jefferson Curl with 5kg per hands and this exercise made me feel good, may be you weren't relax enough, may be the exercise is bad, I honestly don't know. This exercise is performed also by strong powerlifters who want to improve their Deadlift, so it is not strictly Ben's fault.

[@mrgrumpycat9049]

@@saichisugimoto1660 yep and here more things for reference if Ben known as the Knee Guy, Dr.McGill is known as the Low Back Guy but the difference is that Dr.McGill is actually a clinician and researcher who studies mainly the spine and also was a professor at Waterloo University. he has helped many athletes including the legendary powerlifter Brian Carroll back to top form after his lumbar injury. one thing that Dr.McGill stated that unlike muscle, there is no pain sensor (or something like that, sorry i forgot the term) on the spine so we can't really feel any pain until the very second that injury happens. i also feel pretty good doing Jefferson honestly but turns out that was my poison. im not saying Ben at fault, but he took a big part to popularize the Jefferson Curl so im just trying to bring the awareness for people to educate themselves first before accepting anything. to be a student not a follower.

[@stephenkoawl3453]

IS THAT MARK IN THE MIDDLE?!? Always look like this please

[@ramonlgarcia9036]

44 dollar t shirts is pretty dann expensive bro. I'll stick with next level shirts

[@sonich1814]

Great podcast, you know what i mean?

[@danielndibongo5048]

Let's gooooooooo!!!!