Marshall Shootout - Studio Classic SC20H VS DSL20H

[@juanfichtl2011]

The cleans on the 800 sound weak in comparison with the DSL but when it comes to crunch I think the 800 really nails that hairy 80s rock tone! The DSL has more of that modern soldano saturated sound.

[@blinedriver]

Testing the DSL w/ tone shift on vs 800 at 13:35 and continues throughout. But... why oh why would you do that?

[@mikemackenzie3305]

Great review guys, I really appreciate it. Marshall has really got it right with these 20w series.

[@TSFAHTPS]

Thanks Mike

[@ATK10155]

Thank you for showing me how overpriced the 800 is. My money is going with DSL

[@TSFAHTPS]

It's a very underrated amp in my opinion...

[@chadhagene7665]

Made in England vs Vietnam.

[@Yohahn]

One is made in Vietnam and the other in the UK. Rather pay for a UK one then a vietnam one.

[@xthexadvantagex]

I feel exactly the opposite

[@runnningonempty]

@@xthexadvantagex fuck how you feel

[@gkuzmanov]

Congrats gents, you made these both 2 amps sound like crap

[@KahnuevsKrake]

The DSL20 is great, I still stand by that. But I treated myself to an SC20 and sold the former onto a new owner. The SC20 is an AMAZING amp. It's not what you call "high gain" when you compare it to a Mesa Boogie for example, but it's that ballsy, classic, 80's hard rock sound. Nothing wrong with the DSL20, but my PRS MT15 is my favourite high gain amp which already filled those shoes for me, and I wanted a more "classic rock" kind of amp to compliment it.

[@devlinavocado6274]

Get both and take the DSL20 on rough bar gigs. It's a great burner amp.

[@sanjay1701]

Definitely the JCM 800 SC... It's a matter of tone stack circuitry and transformer specs, not whether it was made in Vietnam or the UK

[@therealandrecorbin4050]

I was a JMP guy for years, sold them when I left music for 25 years. Bought a dsl20 and have been very happy with it. I can honestly recommend these 20w Marshall heads with the El34s. Mine really sounds great.

[@JosephCee]

The JCM sounded just as brutal as the DSL only a little better, but idk if that justifies it being more than twice the price.

[@edwardprete]

I’ve tried an 800 it was great, then I found a DSL20 for a steal. Once dialed in it’s actually way better than its $300 price even at low volumes. I tried an SV20H that was brutally loud. All of these you need to fine tune with each guitar.

[@KahnuevsKrake]

I love my DSL20, I was pretty impressed with how it sounded. And I got it on Reverb for a quarter of the price of the SC20, which I was considering getting, but that deal swung it for me. It's a great compliment to my PRS MT15.

[@73prd]

Is the dsl loud through a 412 cab like will it be fine for an unmiced 3 piece punk band

[@KahnuevsKrake]

@@73prd I don't know from experience I'm afraid.

[@markmarshall7939]

The DSL20HR kicks ass all over the Studio Classic. Period.

[@randysutton2120]

It's difficult to choose between them, because they each do different things well. Great sounds from both.

[@TSFAHTPS]

Absolutely Randy...very different and great in their own way...there are a bunch more shootouts coming

[@gsandwalker]

Love the idea of a JCM800 but for a fraction of the price. And I don't have a problem with Vietnamese people building my stuff. Im gonna try DSL40 with my Gibson Les Paul.

[@1thess523]

I had a JCM 2000 TSL 60w and it had a really nice full clean channel, my son ran his pedals through it and was really impressed.

[@TSFAHTPS]

The TSLs had something...I used to work in a music shop in the early 2000s and I never really liked the JCM2000DLS but the one TSL we had sounded great...would be interesting to try them out again

[@BrianMorris-zc4md]

Thanks guys!

[@TSFAHTPS]

Thank you for watching!!

[@BrianMorris-zc4md]

You're welcome. I've had my SC20H for one week (my first Marshall) and am loving it! Keep up the good work!

[@mikejames9642]

Thanks for the review!! Much appreciated!! Were you running these in 20W mode?? For my taste its jcm800 all the way... but my question is... can you get a screaming sound out of the basic amp without blowing the windows out of the house??? Is this strictly a gigging amp or can it be used in a 15’x15’ room without attenuating or sounding weak? Thanks again?

[@TSFAHTPS]

I'm pretty sure we had both amps on full power for the cleans and both on the lower power for the drives...its a pretty loud amp...you can get some usable volumes out of it in the low power settings but all up its pretty loud for 20w. I think the low power mode sounds just as good as the full power mode...we really didn't notice any difference in the tone...as in it never sounded thin or weak...we might just do a video on how loud these amps are in the room

[@willieduwe1]

I think it suits home and rehearsal use definitely get some good tones at lower volume

[@infidel66687]

I use my DSL at bedroom volume everyday and it screams while at a volume you can talk over. Just turn up the gain and use the volume at almost nothing. Then I tap my tube screamer and get guitar here feedback at conversation level volume. That DSL rocks and I'm running it with a 2x12 cabinet

[@oldguyjammin9732]

Wow, for almost half the $$ the DSL seems the way to go unless you’re after something really specific.

[@torahwarrior2442]

Definition of rock and roll....a les paul into a jcm800...add a couple pedals if you like...I have a les paul and just bought the studio classic...my first good amp...it sounds killer...

[@TSFAHTPS]

I was really tempted to borrow a Les Paul for the videos...it's a KILLER amp!!

[@aliengrey6052]

The Marshall dsl 20 cr was remarkably good and I couldn’t tell much of a difference between the two. The dsl wins hands down due to the sc being brutally loud and three times the price. No contest. The dsl is in fact a true Marshall.

[@KM-302]

I had the dsl20 head for a while recently and gigged a 2204 for years previous to that. The dsl was harsh at low volume and was harsh but louder at gig level. The 2204 was harsh at low volume and absolutely glorious when turned up. The little transformers are the difference and the problem. I hear that same unpleasant tone in the studio classic. I've just bought another 2204!

[@EM-km8em]

So the studio jcm800 has the same problem? Might just get a 2204

[@Ramiiam]

The sound seemed muffled overall.

[@cliffgold3840]

I thought the same. Dont know if it was speaker flab, or the power stage sag but both sounded muddy...like a blanket over the cab

[@alexandert696]

Yeah , its muffled ..

[@wvw03431]

They are probably clipping

[@TSFAHTPS]

Yeah...

[@TheStereoField]

No you’re right. I bought a DSL20H and played with it for a couple weeks and it really does sound muffled / compressed....the gain channel has this really distant, fizzy effect. Ended up returning it.

[@Dsauce128]

it comes down to how much money you have to spend. Trust me the DSL literally sounds just as good as the expensive ones. Ive played them all and that $1000 difference is not really worth it playabilty wise unless you have the money then go for it because they are cool vintage style amps but the DSL will do just as good of a job.

[@kirkwilson8738]

Had them both.. The DSL can do any Tone that the 800 can do plus way more.. The 800 is an overpriced one trick pony.. The DSL is a way better Amp.. Construction on both are exactly the same quality.. Niether are handwired and are made on cheap green board so don't waste your money on the overpriced 800.. It simply is not worth it at all

[@chickenboyyyy7860]

Thanks dude🦄 Was having a hard time to decide wich one to Get but this comment made is eeasy

[@infidel66687]

I agree 100%. DSL can make any tone the 800 can make. I don't know how they had the DSL setup but I the hi gain channel I turn my gain to about 6 and then use low volume and it is spectacular. I freaking love my DSL and when I heard this video I was almost cringing trying to figure out how they got the hi gain to sound so bad.

[@randysutton2120]

I would definitely play some metal on that beautiful powder-blue guitar. :-)

[@TSFAHTPS]

Hehe...Alex is about as un-metal as they come...it is a great sounding guitar

[@Trackformers]

00:39 Got it spot on!! Thru my phone into my Marshall Major III headphones... and im sitting having a nice long nr.2 as we speak! Right on Lol

[@TSFAHTPS]

Haha...wow...thanks

[@Trackformers]

@@TSFAHTPS No, thank you.. For the company 😁

[@TSFAHTPS]

Pleasure

[@danc3746]

I picked up a used DSL 20w for 350 bucks in mint condition. I honestly didnt expect to like it that much, I was wrong...it is a KILLER amp.

[@SlickCat]

You could never tell the difference except in a side by side comparison. An audience wouldnt know at all.The DSL 20 is a great buy.

[@danc3746]

@@SlickCat Very true.

[@vladimirerfan7721]

@@SlickCat Exactly! Not only that - sometimes they wouldn’t even notice if you play half step out of key. We played a gig once stupid drunk and before one song the bass player accidentally hit the headstock and one of the tuning pegs went off half a key and he way to wasted to care and we played the with the bass horribly out of key and the audience cheered up, only guitarists friends noticed something was a “bit” off 😂Good times, ;)

[@SlickCat]

@@vladimirerfan7721 People in Clubs and Bars are out for a good time they care less about is the "tone" good or did he just miss a note...lol Just give them the best show you can and engage them in the fun.

[@infidel66687]

I love my DSL 20. It sounds so good it actually made playing fun again. My practice time went from 2 hours a week to 2 hours a day after I got it and I've been playing over 30 years.

[@hayabusa1300100]

Lol just buy a Jet City Custom 22 hand wired and it’s 2 channel JCM 800 and DSL in one amp and did i mention it’s hand wired $700 kicks ass don’t get me wrong I like the 800 and dsl 20’s but hand wired doesn’t get any better both amps sound good to my ears all of what your taste our pickups , speakers , and the type of music you play I want a amp that’s versatile on every aspect not just one peace 🤘keep on jamming my friends

[@12breacher82]

Both need a boost or OD bad. I was not impressed playing in person. Beyond loose and flubby no matter how I dialed it. With a strong OD the SC was descent. It really sounded awesome with a distortion pedal.

[@Chrosa]

Did you get the 20 watt plexi model too? I'd like to see it compared to an origin 20.

[@TSFAHTPS]

Not yet, they are high demand so that one has been postponed

[@KM-302]

There's no comparison in my opinion. The origin doesn't sound like a marshall. The studio vintage does and does it very well.

[@TheJasdavies]

The Origin 20 is a great amp when used with an overdrive. It definitely sounds as a Marshall.

[@damienrhodes1773]

Y'all somehow made both of these sound awful.

[@frankswildyear]

My thoughts exactly, lol

[@ClubXrock]

do they both use the same valves or valves from the same source?

[@TSFAHTPS]

Rob S they both have two EL34 & three ECC83 tubes in them from the same source...that source being Marshall...whatever tubes they ship with

[@ClubXrock]

@@TSFAHTPS thank you

[@hullan666]

My god... two brit-poppers with Fender Mustangs and Jazzmasters demoing Marshalls. How is it even possible ta make a DSL/JCM sound like this 14:55 ?

[@TSFAHTPS]

Brit-popper is new

[@joshmuz9018]

Tone shift was on

[@Juicexlx]

Yeah, the DSL sounds better and has a reverb, has 2 channels and is 1/2 the price of the SC20 but...The SC20H is made in UK...Pretty hard decision to take.

[@TSFAHTPS]

They are both great amps ...I’d get the SC20...for my personal taste...but the DSL is really good...especially for the price!! It is a tough decision

[@GuyHarrison-nm1xt]

The old jcm 800 lead Sirius had 2 volume and the master. They were killer amps. But I must say mashall has gone backwards

[@knowitall1694]

I sold my JCM800 in the 1980's. Now I remember why!

[@Lollerkid]

And why? :D

[@D1TemplarKnight]

@@Lollerkid he didn't know how to dial it in.

[@joshmuz9018]

Eh? One best Amps of all time

[@knowitall1694]

@@joshmuz9018 Edgy, too scratchy, way too much treble. To get a warm and smooth tone you'd have to drive it really hard.

[@goobiecaro8135]

Gentlemen, what cabinet and speaker did you utilize for this demo?

[@TSFAHTPS]

It's a 1x12 with a Celestion Greenback mic'ed with an SM57

[@masterofthetelecaster]

Using 20 watt speaker on20 watt amp is a bit extreme....

[@marinnext]

Marshall DSL 20 All the way ... i have a Marshall DSL 1 ........ its great

[@andyrock1207]

Hey guys, what head switcher did you use please?

[@TSFAHTPS]

Hi Andy, we used the Radial Headbone VT switcher...they make extremely good quality stuff!!

[@andyrock1207]

@@TSFAHTPS Thanks man. I am in the market for one soon.

[@marinnext]

they don't use the option of presence & resonance Of DSL 20 .... DSL 20 win

[@vintagetone22]

dsl fizzzzzzzzzyyyyyyy..jcm 800 thick rock damn hell fire god damn it good amp.period.

[@kralas111]

Why do you deliberately turn on tone shift? You are degrading the sound OMG 🙏🤦‍♂ 15:01 DSL has far better distortion!

[@matthewlewis281]

Why the neck pick up jeesh. Your making them sound like muddy crap

[@azguitar]

Two guys afraid to work the tone controls on the JCM800.

[@Mwhbmnabjms]

This review doesn’t do just, the jcm roar u cant get at any amp full stop. Even the silver jubilee.. the closest competition on jcm within Marshall is the 20w plexi

[@chanceterrill5346]

Dude on the left isn't aloud to eq amps anymore. Everyone knows u never push the tone shift in on a dsl treble n bass around noon. And goose the mids for jcm tones all day

[@TSFAHTPS]

I know...we should just put it on the same setting as everyone else...so it sounds the same as everyone else...I mean that's what these videos are all about...to make it sound the same as all the other videos about this amp...geez...these amateurs

[@sebaseba6701]

Very good demo

[@TSFAHTPS]

Thank you very much Seba Seba

[@willieduwe1]

This is a great review and i love your dog and i will buy the top one dsl based on this review so thank da boys mr marshall

[@TSFAHTPS]

Thanks Will

[@paulkielt9301]

To me both sound too fat without any overdrive!

[@bobbyb_90]

Those tones you guys dialed in are plain and simple bad. No cut, no definition. All I heard was clipping mud.

[@kakyo7244]

new product？

[@TSFAHTPS]

Not really...the Origin Series came out at the start of 2018...the DSL has been out for a while...just doing a comparison video because we had both amps in the studio

[@mattyounis5636]

Tried two dsl the hiss white noise is awful anyone else experience this

[@TSFAHTPS]

We didn't have that problem...not that I can remember anyways...and we had it up pretty loud

[@adamalexanderray]

Matt Younis my first DSL had noise issues and a faulty FX loop. Had to return it. Second one was fine.

[@mattyounis5636]

@@adamalexanderray ok I live 5 minutes from Sweetwater maybe I'll try another one it so hit and miss with this Asian stuff

[@adamalexanderray]

Matt Younis try another for sure. It’s the price point rather than the country of origin that’s the issue with the quality. My second one is fine.

[@joehahn8817]

When "Jerry's Kids" do a demo...

[@prisonmike4971]

SOMEONE PET THAT GOD DAMN DOG!

[@jamesmalamute7874]

These Guys are too much

[@Steven-zg5bq]

$1500 and ne reverb, shame shame!

[@aesric]

Mic your damn amps

[@TSFAHTPS]

We have…not sure what you are talking about

[@georgejohannfreeman7362]

The DSL is for those who wish to pretend they have the Marshall sound.

[@kirkwilson8738]

I have a JCM 800, a JCM 900 SLX and a JCM 2000 DSL.. The JCM 2000 DSL does everything the 800 or 900 can do but more and it does it better

[@rinucha]

that marshall brand?

[@vladimirerfan7721]

@@kirkwilson8738 did you try the Jvm?

[@kirkwilson8738]

@@vladimirerfan7721 , Yeah, I also had the JVM Combo.. Great Amp but way to much unwanted noise that i could not live with.. I've tried and owned pretty much every amp Marshall has ever made.. The DSL really is all that they say it is

[@seek4truth]

The worst demo of both amps

[@seanm4468]

SC is all the way. DSL sucks.