Terminator Genisys - From Failure to Farce

[@TheCriticalDrinker]

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[@natejennings5884]

If you have the DVDs of Terminator and T2 just keep those and leave it there.

[@tommythecat1135]

Jack Daniels, if you please.

[@bemotivated8443]

Watch primal, it’s a very good animated show

[@bemotivated8443]

Can you do a review of the good the bad and the ugly?

[@williamchico6553]

What about Terminator Dark Fate?

[@dronessential]

The producers of the terminator franchise can't be bargained with, can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear... And they absolutely will not stop - ever! ... Until the franchise is dead.

[@ViktorKralovic]

Let's hope it finally died with Dark Fate.

[@DiscoFinalBoss]

@@ViktorKralovic I always thought Dark Fate referred to the franchise. I’m convinced it is referring to the franchise.

[@Leadblast]

Not dead. Terminated.

[@kampfer3146]

@demonbre, 🤣🤣I get it 🤣🤣

[@LetsTalkAboutPrepping]

No dark fate but what we make - the producers, probably

[@carlrood4457]

One of the things the later sequels failed to capture was the extreme PTSD aspect. Reese was constantly jumpy. He's a guy who hadn't had a good night's sleep or decent meal his whole life and to whom the sound of a dog barking meant death was on the way. He was not a ripped, snarky Jai Courtney. In T2, Sarah Conner was seriously messed up. She knew the future was f'd and her only option was to push herself so she could protect and train her son. She berated her son for being brave, loyal, and loving by saving her. She was tough on the outside, but broken on the inside.

[@huwguyver4208]

Ikr makes me think of the scene in T2 where they are escaping in the car at night. John thinks his mum is giving him a hug, but she's actually checking him for injuries. Brilliant character moments like that are all the way through T1 and T2.

[@Archedgar]

That's true. When the characters take the story very seriously and show signs of accumulated stress, it tells us, the audience, that the situation is not safe and things may go bad. When the characters don't show signs of stress, it tells us that the story and the stakes are who gives a fuck.....

[@vilefly]

I agree. I was hoping for a terminator movie set in the future, battling machines with clever human strategy and tactics.....ending with the time displacement scene.....and stopping there. Hoped for a platoon of soldiers getting through more futuristic PTSD moments and helping each other overcome them to defeat mankind's arch-nemesis. No more time travel crap because the prototype was destroyed when Reese was sent in the first movie. Would have to fix a temporal problem created in the original storyline by saying something like, "The temporal field around the chamber insulated us from changes in the timeline, so we could send Reese in after the terminator and still exist to do so. Only then can we turn it off." I guess they are just too young to know what they are doing with something older than the screen writers are. FML.

[@zacharyfindlay-maddox171]

Agreed!

[@sarasunshinemt4444]

@@revolverswitch Anton Yelchin was an underrated actor. Damn sad what happened to him.

[@user-cb4vt3qm3j]

Robert Patrick wasn't too expensive and he was in fact offered the part of T-1000, but he refused so as not to tarnish his original performance. Which looks pretty wise to me, all things considered.

[@kirnpu]

Glad to hear he made that decision. His original role is stellar.

[@jackdonith]

Clever guy. The actor that replaced him isn't bad. But the movie is bad.

[@iduvanmendoza3480]

I thought he did it because he said im to old ohh well at least he dogged a bullet

[@AnakinandPadme1231]

@@jackdonith at least its better then dark fate

[@Zeddyboi86]

Good on him.

[@tavastian3288]

Why is this Kyle Reese so buff? Did he eat all the food, lift weights and inject steroids, while all the rest suffered and starved, wtf man

[@j.j.plagiarisms7149]

I know right, this guy’s far less likeable than the original one.

[@worsethanhitlerpt.2539]

Like the Walking Dead they were supposed to be starving but theyre all healthy and ripped instead of looking anorexic

[@andymk8951]

The original was a surviver. This one is a gymbro

[@Adi_Bossanac]

haha! thats great comment. these fake people are so stupid.

[@CerealExperimentsMizuki]

Ain't even that buff, he just looks normal. He isn't buff like young Arnold.

[@Axemantitan]

Michael Biehn's Kyle Reese was scrawny, disheveled, and clearly suffered from PTSD. Jai Courtney comes across as unshakably confident and looks like he's never missed a meal nor a day at the gym.

[@Shoxic666]

Exactly, Biehn's Reese was scruffy, beat up and half-feral but felt strong because of his iron will and ability to be vulnerable and honest but also hard and no-bullshit. The whole point was that he wasn't a superhuman like the Terminator was, but humanity had a different kind of strength.

[@JAW242]

Also looks dumb af

[@Deltaworks23]

I agree. Biehn's Reese looked like a guy who was just barely surviving, a hardened veteran whose entire life since birth was in the field. Courtney's Reese looked like a guy that spent all his time in the future war lifting, manscaping, and pounding protein shakes.

[@mveytia]

Biehn's Reese looked like he had been eating rats to survive for decades in a war torn apocalyptic future. Courtney's version is basically impossible, because all the other survivors would have killed him for eating all the protein they have so he could stay jacked.

[@mr.tomatohead3709]

Also, Biehns Kyle Reese looks sort of tough in the same way T1 John Connor did, making it more believable for them to be related

[@VRReviews11]

The next Terminator movie should involve Arnie going back to the past to prevent any further sequels being made after T2.

[@mysterion3182]

Try watching HISHE version of Dark Fate

[@MGForums]

You do see the paradox there, don’t you? 😂

[@petery6432]

@@MGForums They would making a sequel about not making sequels...

[@maximummatt73]

Dun dun dun, da-dun

[@Shullf2011]

As someone who enjoyed the Sarah Connor Chronicles, I hope Netflix or some other streaming service lets more creative people expand the worldbuilding and move on from recycling the same themes and characters. I feel like the first 30 minutes of Salvation and some worldbuilding like Horizon Zero Dawn would be a great jumping off point for post-Apocalyptic stories.

[@Sousabird]

I really love Terminator 2. *Too bad they never made any sequels*

[@nixuniverse5240]

Honestly, T3 really wasn't THAT bad. Edit : If you're into the horror aspect of Terminator movies then i can totally understand why you wouldn't like T3, especially since the movie seemed to kinda kid friendly the movie up a tiny bit. Still though, it wasn't nearly as bad at T:S or TDF.

[@HGAMES69]

Hot take: Terminator Salvation was the best movie after the first two movies.

[@johnc7385]

@@nixuniverse5240 Not that bad in comparison to what came after maybe, but at the time... I couldn't believe the shit I was seeing. Atrocious. Just terrible imitation re-shots of what had already been done.

[@Gabes_Game_Cave]

Smartest comment I've read this year.

[@Zathren]

@@HGAMES69 I wanted Salvation to get it's own trilogy personally. The idea of making a machine and then filling it with the memories of a dead human to make it the perfect spy. It really was brilliant.

[@GingerZombie29]

One of the points you raised, about Jai Courtney playing Kyle Reese, I agree. Michael Biehn in the original looked kinda slim and rugged, fidgety, constantly on edge. And it makes sense. I imagine food is not easy to come by and living your whole life in a warzone would make you a ball of nerves. This Reese looks like a model who's been living the most comfortable life.

[@OK-yy6qz]

It's a miracle how every Terminator Movie after T3 makes us go: "Maybe the last one wasn't so bad after All"

[@TheBarser]

Terminator 3 was also pretty bad imo

[@scottcantdance804]

@@TheBarser Yeah, it was clear the trajectory the franchise was going to take when they were like "what if T3 was sort of like a cross between the T800 and T1000 and what if it was, you know, female? We could call it a... Terminatrix."

[@faz6877]

I think it might seem like that but every post T2 sequel disrespects the franchise in its own way. It’s like debating which piece of shit smells worse

[@RegisTraiter]

It was the foreshadowing for Disney nuWars.

[@Undurkhaan]

Hahaha yeah

[@Matt-wf7ry]

The most bizarre thing about this movie is that they spoiled what was supposed to be a major plot twist in their own trailer, revealing that Conner was a Terminator.

[@Jogeta5]

That fucking ruined the whole movie for me. I thought there was some other big thing due to them showing it, but the further into the movie you go. the more you realise that they actually spoiled the major twist. So dumb...

[@RossTheNinja]

Did the same thing with Salvation. It's like they're not even trying

[@axelrad5624]

Bit like BvS. BvS trailer literally revealed that Wonder Woman would show up and Dommsday would show up as well

[@MrChickennugget360]

@@RossTheNinja its funny became of all the post T2 films Salvation had the most potential but they don't want to try to do THAT one right. Salvations problem was that it was not dark enough to feel like what the War of the Machines was like. the Future we were shown was extremely grim yet here it is with A-10s and special forces. in T1 the human rebels were like rats hiding in the ruins yet in the first scene of Salvation we see a SEAL Team like raid with A-10s and Helicopters. Does not seem very desperate to me.

[@SvendleBerries]

That seems to be a common theme with a lot of these newer, shit movies these days. They put all the "best" bits into the trailer...and thats it. If youve watched the trailer, youve seen the movie. What a waste of (insert the many hundreds of millions of dollars that went into making the trash heap of a movie). Theres starving children in Africa that could have eaten that money. And speaking of, "If youve watched the trailer, youve seen the movie.", maybe thats why studios were always copyright striking content creators for showing the trailers in their videos lol

[@chucksenhowzen9740]

As bad as seeing Daenerys Targaryen as Sara Conner, nothing was a bigger spit to the face than seeing John Connor get killed in Dark Fate...in the first 5 minutes

[@ohnosmoarlulcatz]

Considering they made him the previous villain in Genesys, I didn't think they could get any worse, but Dark Fate showed it could.

[@mala6238]

@@ohnosmoarlulcatz both equally bad.

[@skirk248]

I can only get so disappointed

[@yourstruly4817]

But but muh diversity!

[@cottonballs185]

@@ohnosmoarlulcatz They had the *decency* to reboot the timeline _before_ ruining John Connor

[@edersonnico]

"Making a bad movie wasn't enough, they have to go back in time and erase the movies you like". - Screen Junkies

[@Dowlphin]

That's THE AGENDA. Erase history, shit on anything good. It's kind of another expression of the US psychology of destroying any political system that doesn't please the empire. You could say, the chickens are coming home to roost.

[@XXthekingofyouXX]

Jai Courtney telling his childhood self to remember that date for the future is the equivalent of Bill and Ted reminding themselves to set those booby traps to help out their future selves. Except Bill and Ted were in a comedy.

[@zealot777]

Well said and spot on.

[@JessicaGarcia-xf9wr]

That was racist of you to say!

[@JessicaGarcia-xf9wr]

Shame on you

[@Cj-gd1db]

🤣🤣🤣

[@piotrd.4850]

Sometime, native speaker will have to explain to me etymological difference between booby trap and bra....

[@Eva01-jy2qu7pu9r]

Me after Genisys: Holy sh*t, it can’t get worse than that. Dark Fate: You are sorely mistaken

[@fattiger6957]

Next Terminator will be directed by Paul Fieg and stars that black lady from Ghostbusters 2016 as the new terminator. Of course, they will bring in Arnold to humiliate him once again.

[@mail123619]

At least dark fate did so poorly that Hollywood will probably not return to milk the franchise anymore hopefully

[@Eva01-jy2qu7pu9r]

@@fattiger6957 Hah, I wouldn’t be surprised if that happened.

[@chatteyj]

Is dark fate worse than genyshit? Genyshit is pretty bad. Its an interesting question.

[@rosiegratz8377]

@@fattiger6957 Fuck No please don’t say that out loud! It’s like Candyman that shit will show up .😜

[@supereldinho]

If you went back and looked at the original, you'd notice that Kyle Reese looks exactly like the kind of person that would come from a war-torn future: emaciated, scarred, beaten and tired. They really went through the effort of creating a sense of verisimilitude and selling the idea that Kyle's future really took its toll on him. And of course, despite spending his whole life fighting off deadly androids, he treated even a single T-800 with dead seriousness because he knew exactly what they were capable of. Meanwhile, Jai Courtney looks buff, hale and without even a scratch or bruise on him. There's no way in hell that guy could convince you he's a soldier from a ravaged world where he'd most likely live off of rations and fight dangerous androids on a daily basis. They couldn't even get such minor details as "looking like a battle-scarred soldier" right. Then again, they couldn't even get those 3 street punks to look right so why am I even surprised? And of course, the guy seems borderline nonplussed when confronted with not only a T-800 but even the more advanced T-1000, both of whom took an entire movie to put down respectively, whereas here they're dispatched with barely any effort at all. Hell, even Salvation handled it better, considering how hard it was to put that one T-800 down. This movie was just a complete mess.

[@MrbigballsMemes]

AGREED!

[@geeebuttersnap2433]

When it comes to terminator movies 1 &2 are the best. 3 just seems like there is something off about it, but actually seeing judgment day and the machines coming online was interesting. Terminator salvations has to be the 3rd best movie of that series. Having it be about the humans vs machines is really the only thing that they hadn’t covered in the franchise. It really shouldn’t have been a franchise, it should have ended at 2. Would have been perfect.

[@TheOmegaRing]

"This small child impersonating Sarah Connor" lol you got me there.

[@davidharrison7014]

She looks like she's barely 15 years old!

[@davidharrison7014]

Even Brie Larson would've been a better casting choice.

[@johntabler349]

Linda Hamilton is a tough act to follow for a woman, a child had no chance

[@ностромов]

Um, no. Brie Laughingather would not have been a better choice. She's idiotic, at best, which is a shame because she had a movie personality about her in the early years; while she were still pretending to have a different personality (than that of a female police officer, which you just want to drop kick without even engaging in conversation. ;))

[@DRGEngineer]

I read this comment as he was saying the line 😂 funny coincidence

[@culmo80]

In T2, Linda Hamilton handled weapons like she knew what she was doing. She was muscular and looked strong. She absolutely convinced audiences that she was ready for combat. Emilia Clark never did. As you said, she looks like someone's sister playing dress up for Halloween.

[@reikun86]

And what is do bad about getting actors dirty? Reese looked like he came off a photo shoot rather than the battle scarred and starved soldier like he did in T1.

[@rubix4195]

Also Linda Hamilton's twin was an awesome addition for the film - I don't think Emilia has a twin.

[@rubix4195]

@@reikun86 I know - in Genesys, the war sounded like it a walk in the park and the terminators were easy to fool and, with enough humans, they could win the day. In The Terminator, the war was horrible and everyday was going to be the day that a Terminator would in and butcher you whilst you, your mates and your guns, did jack s**t to them. Michael Biehn was socially cold and unforgiving (due to the war and the robots who hunted him) was made the portrayal of Reese being a badass and tragic when he rediscovered his humanity with Sarah.

[@MrbigballsMemes]

Agreed!! 🤜

[@cymond]

Linda Hamilton looked like a complete badass, to the point that she was actually scary. I could absolutely imagine her fighting in some small South American jungle war, just for the hell of it.

[@crispyandspicy6813]

plot twist: Skynet sent terminators back in time to ruin the franchise so that we wouldn't learn of Skynet's existence.

[@sagarkapasi099]

Underrated

[@galenmarek8287]

Or couldn’t they just have changed the name of the fuckin company?

[@shan4680]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skynet_(satellite)

[@lostcause78]

In Sophie Turner's defense, she is pretty shit in GoT as well. edit: Since a few kind folks have suggested I got the wrong actress, I am referencing Drinker's comment around 13:00 - 13:12

[@ADIDASects]

LOL. My man.

[@tastycookiechip]

She was great in the earlier seasons. She played the innocent naive noble girl really well. Once later seasons came and she became a "tough girl" it was just silly

[@kossettereaditte7552]

Mainly season 6 through 8. But pretty much everyone was

[@mercenaryknight5419]

Season 6 was the last good season for anyone.

[@beowulfsrevenge4369]

She a poor Jean Grey as well. I haven't been to impressed by much of her work besides the first couple of seasons of GOT.

[@owen1079]

T1 was genuinely tense and scary, with brilliant PTSD flashbacks to a post apocalyptic future war, a police station massacre that's still brutal AF, and a great love story by the end. ... Now we have this...

[@johnstrawb3521]

Not to mention the first was brilliant, and the second simply wasn't. That T2 is thought of as some kind of great film is just pitiful.

[@JohnGardnerAlhadis]

@@johnstrawb3521 Millions of people would say otherwise.

[@gideonmele1556]

@@johnstrawb3521 it was good as an action movie and ramped the stakes well. The slasher feel was gone but both are great with different angles

[@grandmasteryoda3594]

@@johnstrawb3521 they were different kinds of films. T1 was more focused on story and themes, with its main way of telling the story being action. T2 was more focused on action, with its main way of propelling the action being to make a story following t1. T2 is more entertaining, but i agree that t1 is more engaging with its story

[@sethraelthebard5459]

Exactly. It's kind of like comparing First Blood with Rambo Part II. The first film introduced a character/universe with a history. The second movie expanded on a single part of the original and amped up the excitement. Terminator 2 was and still is an amazing conclusion to the original story. Everything that came afterward is just fan fiction on the screen.@@grandmasteryoda3594

[@richarddoyle3420]

These new-ish Terminator movies are designed to: 1. Piss off the Drinker, and by association - us. 2. Hold the rights to make another Terminator movie. Return to 1.

[@fattiger6957]

Why do they even bother holding onto those rights? Terminator is worthless at this point. Dank Fart cost way more to make than it made.

[@Noperare]

@@fattiger6957 it is not about making money, it is about being sure other people aren't making money. Hollywood is so rich they transcended the need for money, they are just pety assholes now.

[@shorewall]

@@Noperare If the Earth dies in a nuclear holocaust, I will die happy knowing those Hollywood bastards die with me. Because no matter where I end up, I know they are going to hell. :D

[@markusfreund6961]

@@shorewall I'm right with you on the sentiment, but the Earth won't die in a nucelar holocaust. The Earth will die (more to the point, evaporate) when the sun expands beyond the orbit of Mars in about 4.5 billion years. A nucelar holocaust would, at best, temporarily sterilize and contaminate part of the Earth's surface.

[@shorewall]

@@markusfreund6961 Touche. I guess I meant if the inhabitants of the Earth die in a nuclear holocaust. :D

[@RogeriusRex]

Genisys is the worst kind of follow-up: the sequel, prequel, remake, demake.

[@mattc2306]

Or as I'd like to call it, a continuity clusterfuck.

[@commandercaptain4664]

It's the first quelquel ever made, so that didn't help.

[@redbearington3345]

And Square Enix did the same thing with the promised FF7 "remake" turned it into a sequel remake demake,

[@MrKodachii]

@@redbearington3345 so much awesome potential derailed for no reason

[@arrownoir]

Don't forget deboot.

[@doublep1980]

In Emilia Clarke's defense: she actually said in an interview that she truly regrets starring in this crapfest. Quote: ''Yeah, taking the role of Sarah Connor was a bad idea...''

[@davidtames6081]

Do you have a link to that as I can't find results for that quote in Google?

[@stevecheevers7337]

She's got some talent, but she's got to play to her strengths. She's basically the English Rose type, I think she's quickly coped on to it and it's proven successful for her. She seems like a cool person in real life, Stuff like Me before You and Last Christmas is where she shines, sappy or dramatic romantic films or comedies. English version of Meg Ryan basically. Take her out of that genre and she just feels out of place.

[@luismarioguerrerosanchez4747]

I think she went as far to admit that after GoT she only takes shitty films that don't require a lot effort in her acting

[@patrioticcat5768]

But that MERA role, that'll be different.

[@christopheranzovinio5893]

2-1 odds she wasn't half as blasted as she was for the GOT series finale gala, but I bet she was close.

[@davidharding1694]

To be fair to Emilia Clarke, she's given honest post-film interviews detailing some of the issues they encountered making this T: Genisys. Filming was described as chaotic and the director pretty much had one prolonged breakdown throughout. "News of the rocky production traveled, and Clarke says the crew on the famously disastrous Fantastic Four, which was filming nearby, even had jackets made that read, AT LEAST WE’RE NOT ON TERMINATOR. “Just to give you a summary,” she says, laughing." Jason Clarke has also commented on how poor the filming / production experience was, which seems to have stemmed from the producers (what a surprise!)

[@richyrich7260]

Emilia Clarke is a treasure and deserves better movies.

[@hagestad]

I don't blame those actors. The amount of special effects makes acting into pantomime. Almost nothing we can see in the move actually exists so they have to imagine it- and its not like they are creative to begin with.

[@Frosty_tha_Snowman]

I don't think she needs you to be her white knight 😂

[@Sanghelli]

The series cannot be revived. It's impossible at this point.

[@cleanerben9636]

I had an idea of a slow burner TV series about the post war but its never going to happen.

[@DzinkyDzink]

Post-Apoc story about a young Reese?

[@cleanerben9636]

@@DzinkyDzink yes, and others from the old world being lead astray by skynet, which wouldn't be a physical power for a few years and would absolutely need human 'allies' to establish its independence.

[@paulholmes8398]

Yep Im about as done with terminator as I am with Star Wars. I haven't watched the last installments of either. Not goi g to pay to be insulted.

[@yourfatboy5359]

@@paulholmes8398 how about robocop predator aliens or anything that was from the 70s/80s/90s that got a reboot I dunno about you but if a heard there is a reboot from a classic film i just know its bad

[@doomy_mcdoomerson]

I don’t get why Arnie is willing to return to the Terminator franchise, despite it multiple failures. Yet, he refuses to reprise his role as an older Dutch in the Predator movies.

[@trace6242]

Maybe because it was his breakout role after Conan?

[@TXP9]

Arnold is a great man, but he doesn’t understand the value of storytelling. The story was completed after T2, anything else to come after that was pretty much doomed to be gratuitous and stale. As Walter White said in BB, you want them to miss you when you’re gone.

[@fuferito]

My recurring pipe dream includes Arnold reprising his role in Conan as a disillusioned, jaded old king surrounded by backstabbing courtiers. With the right script, and his experience as Governor the man might play it real enough to win an Oscar.

[@mooseyman74]

Because Terminator has strong female characters but Predator was full of macho men

[@m_d1905]

@@fuferito That would be something to see, if done right.

[@dougsmith6262]

"Jai Courtney isn't going to be a thing. Quit trying to make it happen."-Honest Trailers

[@Penetat]

I am honestly shocked he became an actor

[@Ricardo-cl3vs]

@@Penetat Tbh Arnold is the worse actor of the two!

[@Penetat]

@@Ricardo-cl3vs eh

[@fabriziozagonel5720]

Well, he was great in Spartacus.

[@martinlopez2816]

@@Ricardo-cl3vs bullshit! He will still and always will be widely beloved and remembered and respected by billions of people and fans worldwide (right there with Robert Downey Jr, Al Pacino and Sylvester Stallone) more than any shitty big actor ever will be in the next 40 years right now, definitely. Arnie has a very mega huge fanbase, more than even your favorite actor, loser

[@Quick-Silver206]

I really like Salvation. It had the balls to not just rehash the same shit. Plus it finally showed how deadly the machines rule was, which pretty much everyone wanted to see.

[@mikeadams7904]

I like the set up idea, mcg didn't execute it well.

[@rogierb5945]

It had the dumbest story though. Create a human terminator and lure John to Skynet to......ambush him with 1 terminator. WHAT. DA. FUCK. Why not put a nuke inside the human terminator and once he makes contact with john detonate it? Why not lure John Connor to a Skynet facilite rigged with explosives and once he enters the building. Detonate it? Or at least ambush John with a 100 terminators instead of just one. Again, dumbest story ever.

[@worsethanhitlerpt.2539]

Genisys had the worst action scenes totally interchangeable and not relevant to the plot really. Salvation had the best action scenes except with tacky Transformer robots and the action only reminds you of how little you care about the characters or the outcome of the movie

[@bluedistortions]

I agree, Salvation wasn't a bad movie. If I had seen it in theatres with a few beers, I would have been happy. It's no masterpiece compared to the first two, but it's a decent film on its own right, which pretty much makes it a masterpiece in 2024 compared to the unrelenting weirdo DEI slop we're fed today.

[@silverscorpio24]

"I feel like I'm gonna throw up." And another Drinker meme is born

[@scottcantdance804]

Immediately followed by Tyrion drunkenly vomiting.

[@harbl99]

The Terminator series ended with T2. "There is no fate but what we make."

[@4203105]

The series ended with the end of the Sarah Connor chronicles. Which is technically referencing T3, but immediately retcons it with some time travel. So only T1 and T2 are canon for that show.

[@faz6877]

100%. series ended with T2

[@jakubrejak1114]

Second that

[@Pumpkinhead77]

That's boring. Skynet should exist. The war should happen.

[@Disp0sable_Hero]

LGBT - 800 "I need your Dress, Heels and your Menstrual Cycle"

[@Deridus]

Props department: You can have two. Choose wisely.

[@gobbleswells2883]

You guys...🤣🤣🤣

[@JohnGardnerAlhadis]

Pin-worthy comment.

[@cubertmiso]

Terminator Dark Fate in a nutshell.

[@redpillnibbler4423]

🤣🤣🤣

[@PG-zq3jg]

Dark Fate tried to erase the previous movies, Genisys tried to co-opt and reboot them for its own purposes. Picking which is worse is like trying to pick which sharp object you'd rather step on in your bare feet.

[@booberry6715]

"Amelia Clark looks like your little sister dressing up like a soldier for Halloween." I'm crying... 🤣😭

[@jeremywadkins5852]

Shes like.....grrr Im tough. 😄

[@stevenscott2136]

One of Hamilton's strong points for the role was that she was ordinary-looking, which added to the gritty realism element. Clarke is too cute for that. Then Hamilton took several levels in hardcore for T2, and it SHOWED. I doubt many female actors could do that, especially ones who can't risk spoiling their ability to play cheerleaders and such.

[@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370]

J.K. Simmons couldn't even save this movie. Think about that for a second.

[@ADIDASects]

Well he also couldn't save Jennifer’s Body. I bet everyone who just read that and saw the movie rolled their eyes. Guaranteed.

[@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370]

@@ADIDASects Jennifer's Body?

[@ADIDASects]

@@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370 Yes. Slow brain. Never grow old.

[@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370]

@@ADIDASects it was a good movie, to be fair. Entertaining when you are bored in a weekend.

[@TheMaineSurveyor]

The first two movies were enough. No more is necessary.

[@kforcer]

Yeap. Plus, if you want a different movie, their deleted scenes are awesome. And that goes for 1 and 2.

[@TFIGBassPlayer]

I agree, but most people enjoyed Sarah Connor Chronicles. They could've found a way to put both Sarah Connor's together in a time travel movie.

[@nekovanguard9553]

If any of you play games, Terminator Resistance is pretty decent too for what it is since the developer straight up ignore any Terminator movie other than 1 and 2 in terms of continuity (plus its a masterpiece compared to their last game which is Rambo The Vedio Game).

[@mateoreyes6921]

@@nekovanguard9553 I really like Resistence

[@normadgarmez7026]

With a better story, movie 3 and 4 should of been one movie with John Connor saving his future wife and human civilization from Skynet.

[@pi5549]

These franchise-fails really bring it home with a mallet what a beautiful work of art T2 was. The casting, screenplay, cinematography, pacing. Sublime.

[@fuferito]

The fact that almost 30 year-old special effects look _way_ better than the current effects is the truly shocking part.

[@chatteyj]

@Kryptoskillet the effects in genysis are shit

[@TheKing-qz9wd]

Practical effects are always a favorite of mine.

[@TheKing-qz9wd]

@Kryptoskillet Tell that to the studios who think CGI is the only way.

[@seanbrazell6147]

The special effects were fine. That was never the problem with any of the sequels at all.

[@olotocolo]

tell that to 80% of avengers movies. There is a LOT of cgi that you don't even know is cgi. T2 was crafted with attention and love, genisys was quick cashgrab. It's not effects that are wrong, but studios treatment of them, using them like autotune to just "fix everything in post"

[@commanderbastard1993]

Terminator 1: incredible cinema. Terminator 2: perfection. Terminator 3: why? Terminator Salvation: meh, an ok movie but if it was just strictly a prequel to Terminator 1 it would have been a ok addition to the franchise. Terminator Genisys: crap. Terminator Dark Fate: oh, fuck that with a soldering iron.

[@joeschmoe3665]

I really wanted the prequel film to work because it was the only one that wasn't doing the same tired time travel story and I think we all (me still) want to see the future war between mankind and the machines but I can't call salvation a good movie nothing really happens with the plot and John Connor isn't even in charge.

[@rubix4195]

Seriously what everyone actually wanted was something akin to Terminator: Future War (based on Kyle's visions) as a prequel: all the crapworld, grimdark, crawling on the ground with the rats with humanity getting it's ass kicked again and again before John Connor finally giving everyone the first ray of hope in showing Skynet could be defeated by rallying humanity. Every portrayal beyond T1 and T2 of the Future War period is too clean, full of CGI with humanity standing their ground to the vastly superior Skynet and less of a really horrific and brutal meat grinder with John Connor the only "glue" holding what is the last strands of humanity together. True it wouldn't be mass appeal but, for the dedicated fans, it would be gold.

[@harrymills2770]

Yeah. T2 should've been the end of it.

[@toumbryth7862]

@@harrymills2770 By all rights and common sence, it was. But this can be fixed rather easily, just by adding the original ending of T2. It's only a few minutes long, set 30 years after T2 with Sarah as an old lady and a grandmother, telling how judgment day didn't happen and John Connor was now in the senate.

[@ностромов]

@Joe Connor not being in charge makes sense, in a way, because -for example- the machines would keep sending cruise missiles to any potential location... This would also make the future war -somewhat- difficult to conceptualize, and film. For sure, humans would need a nuclear power plant as a power source for any laser, or -magnetic- rail-gun defenses - and that would, in turn, create clear targets... You know, or humans would need constant resources and means of production in order to be able to manufacture missile defenses; and, also, there wouldn't be much walking-around on the surface going on: if the machines can (self-replicate and) build Terminators, and other tech (such as weapons, and other), then they'd be able to -also- have a constant supply of nuclear weapons - which would be raining down all over the place, right?

[@footbroke]

I didn't like Genisys but after Dark Fate, I would have much rather got a sequel to Genisys.

[@freebee8221]

dark fate and rise of palpatine are the worst movies in the last 20 years.

[@tommythecat1135]

Genisys was bad, but Dark Fate was flat out hard to watch. It pained me to watch the damn movie.

[@serenitynow85]

"At least" Dark Fate will go down as the worst of the franchise. Genesys is just going to be forgotten

[@jeversole1979]

Genesis was shit. Genesis was a blockbuster compared to Dark Fap.

[@terryrocks2j]

Same here. I liked Genisys far more than DF.

[@PassanCat]

"But oh no, Doctor Who shows up and injects weird stuff in to John Connor." That sounds strangely canon.

[@MashZ]

They should've dumped the repetitive time travel formula after the second film and continued the story with new lores and characters to tell the story about Skynet waking up, human machine war etc.

[@channell11]

That could have been interesting. I think they got spooked when Salvation didn't do as well as they had hoped and so they went running back to popular characters for nostalgia value. Problem is their timeline had been effectively closed so it took a lot of nonsense and retconning to bring them back.

[@offspringfan1288]

James Cameron was originally set to direct a 3rd Terminator film in the 90s, but the studio went bankrupt and that was the downfall of the series. Cameron moved on to True Lies, Titanic and of course Avatar. I always wonder what a proper T3 would have looked like.

[@gideonmele1556]

The human element and survival aspect would have been immensely interesting even if just a short one season series. You can’t brute force the monsters, you have to use your wits and be scrappy about it and would allow the main story to go do its thing of being awesome. Shame they only made 2 movies…

[@redpillnibbler4423]

Critical Drinker appears from the future and finds Sara Connor - “Come with me if you want to drink”

[@mosesdouglas4325]

🍺

[@peterg76yt]

Sarah Connor replies, "Nah, it'll be fine."

[@aximusroh6453]

😅😂🤣👍

[@mincelamon1680]

More like "Drink with me if you want to live" (This became unintentionally villainous now)

[@redpillnibbler4423]

@@mincelamon1680 🤣 That’s good.

[@Stresslvls99]

Studios trying to make everything a franchise is one of the reasons why modern films suck.

[@faz6877]

100%. No more complete stories.

[@tyrellthiel2201]

I am really trying to understand how so many talentless hacks, bereft of imagination, worked their way into so many different decision making positions across all industries and institutions. Was it always this bad?

[@tyrellthiel2201]

@@pyerack I was afraid of that...

[@TVadicto100]

With respect to extending old franchises I place the blame in the audience. A lot of people pay money to see recycled versions of good movies from their youth, out of nostalgia or whatever. The minute it’s no longer profitable , studios will try something else.

[@ashtton_tapiwa]

As for Sophie Turner and Emilia Clarke, remember back when television actors stuck to television roles and only the exceptional made the big leap to the big screen? Now it's like if you're part of a remotely successful TV show you're automatically expect to land a big blockbuster role. I like Emilia and Sophie but they are not great actors. But if you see Peter Dinklage or Charles Dance on the big screen it's like they belong there.

[@rustyhowe3907]

Tbf though Dance was on the big screen for a long time before GOT ever came to be, and I think Dinklage was too at least holding his own if not more.

[@suganthram7767]

Emilia definitely has potential. It's just...she ends up in roles that aren't meant to be for her as far as hollywood.

[@TransKidRevolution]

Lol

[@jamesvapour9460]

In a post apocalyptic future where the world is gone, hunted like rats and is covered in radiation... all the soldiers are well feed, buff with abbs, protein powder and weights. Not ill, thin, hungry rebels who are psychologically damaged, but nah it will be fine

[@EvilDoresh]

The only food rations left were steroids.

[@whitworth5s248]

Terminator 1 John Connor looks like he's seen some messed up shit in his day. Genesys John Connor looks like he sits around watching TV all day.

[@Archedgar]

Aesthetics is the least of this , or I should say these film's problems.

[@legionxxiii3570]

Thank uuuuu!!!!

[@613harbinger316]

And consider Terminator was made in the 80s. The era of the buffed out, steroided, muscle-man hero archetype. Reese was not the typical hero of the time.

[@GHFrankie]

The brilliance of the first Terminator is seriously underrated, as much as I love T2, T1 works best on its own. It's really about Skynet, an AI trying to win a war against a mysterious human leader that came out of nowhere-he's unpredictable, and somehow knows how to hit Skynet exactly when and where. It decides the best way to eliminate him is to go back in time to root him out before he festers, but in doing so, it facilitates his birth and thus assuring its own demise. The time paradox is not a plot hole at all but a feature. The time loop closes perfectly at the end of T1 and makes it one of the best sci-fi movies ever made.

[@joejitsu034]

I agree 100% mate. T1 is a sci-fi horror masterpiece. T2 is different though. Still a masterpiece but more an action movie.

[@GHFrankie]

​@@joejitsu034 Absolutely agreed! T2 is a brilliant sequel but also an action adventure reimagining/remake of T1 that also works perfectly on its own, perhaps as a separate timeline or a parallel reality with a definitive happy outcome.

[@trevorfrenk4137]

@@joejitsu034 i’ve never understood the setup of T2 tho. why did skynet wait 10 yrs to kill john? kyle said that they needed to kill SARAH so they could totally erase john’s existence. why not send another one after pregnant sarah???

[@anthonyhiggins9799]

@@trevorfrenk4137 They lived off the grid for years after T1. It was only when they were caught by the authorities, with Sarah placed in an institution, and John in foster care, that they became trackable again.

[@rpcheesman]

"I've said it before that the Terminator really isn't a concept that can support a big ongoing franchises like this" - so true. And what's been forgotten is that T1 was a stalker movie with a twist, T2 was an action movie based on the premise of T1 without explaining too much backstory. Terminator in essence is a horror-style sci-fi 'franchise', not a bigger world that needed explanation. But hey, I liked Terminator Salvation so what do I know?

[@imanoldurango8213]

I too liked terminator salvation. I felt like that would’ve been a good story to follow and I liked Christian Bale as John Connor

[@dakkahead517]

Funnily enough, I could Insert "predator" for every time you said "terminator" and I feel as though it would still make sense(franchise wise anyway)

[@kalesmart1]

I agree, it's easy to suspend your disbelief when a movie is executed perfectly for its genre, stick to the strengths of the premise

[@SpruceCampbell]

I too liked Salvation at first. Bought the dvd upon release. Now it just fades into the pit of unappealing Sam Worthington movies we own but never watch again. The guy is an absolute block of wood. Bale didn't exactly carry the dead weight either. I've thought a lot about what I would do with Salvation if it were my own to make. I would have had it be the story of John Connor starting the resistance from the ground up. The flying carrier ship was super cool so I would keep that and all its robotic crew that break down to the motorcycle level. I would have the carrier ship be hunting down John Connor and he would come across pockets of survivors that either tell him to leave them alone or join up with him to help take down the carrier at the end. Would have had Anton Yelchin play the part of John Connor because he's actually watchable. RIP

[@347Jimmy]

Salvation tried to take the series into the future war I honestly think it's the only logical place to go after T2, and three other movies seem to confirm that Hell, when I heard T2 was happening, I assumed it would be set in the future war

[@omeg4Chad]

Man, I just realized that John must've instructed the t800 to say "come with me if you wanna live" because he knew Sarah would recognize it from Kyle saying that to her. I feel dumb for taking so long to catch this. I miss the time when movies were subtle and smart.

[@donrane]

Goosebumbs. You are right. At first it seems like lazy writing. Nice catch.

[@DRAGON_NUTZ]

I genuinely believe Terminator could have been saved if they stayed in the future after Salvation. I'd much rather see the war now instead of the past again and again.

[@613harbinger316]

I'd been wishing for it since I saw Terminator as a kid in the 80s. Got my hopes up when T3 just forced the issue by letting Judgment Day happen. Was drooling when Salvation came out (mostly anyway). Irritated when they leaped backward with Genisys. Didn't watch Dark Fate. I've seen too many of my favorite sci-fi franchises growing up turn to shit because no one can be bothered to be creative or respectful today. I get the feeling this middling ground of mediocre has always been the norm.

[@dirus3142]

Yes that could have owrked. Even if that movie had some really dumb moments. However I do like the idea of multiple events of time travel overlapping and changing things. Also the idea of an Arnold Terminator raising a little girl is funny to me.

[@valentinegonsalves7322]

Yep. And remember it is this sentiment that has led to Salvation being more forgivable now. Because at least they tried something. Unlike Genysis (my grandkids will help save the future) and Dark Fate (my grandma will save the future). The timeline and time travel in this movie is like trying to travel across the USA on foot while reading a Map of China instead.

[@SodapopKevin]

@@PolMer_90210 In the sarah connor chronicles tv show I think the final episode of the final season involved jumping to the future where I imagine at least some of the 4th season would have happened if it existed.

[@Powermad-bu4em]

@@SodapopKevin You are absolutely correct. I always thought that was a shit way to end the series.

[@0ne0fmany]

No one will ever look as threatening as Robert Patrick tho

[@markallen7215]

The perfect casting ever 👌👍

[@darkstar3195]

Watch T2 again. Robert Patrick trained himself to not blink for the film to make his terminator all the more convincing.

[@maelqueromain8010]

It's pretty funny seeing him as an indebted wimp in the sopranos

[@MaryBrownIsTheBlairWitch]

As good as Robert Patrick is in T2, I'll always wonder what Billy Idol's T-1000 would've been like...

[@masterofpuppets7295]

Arnold looked far more threatening in t1

[@WOLFSTER2011]

To be honest, I'm above 50 and started to watch your reviews 2 days ago and I have to say, that it changed my view of movies. Where I was sure to have a slightly or let's name it 60 to 70% reliable movie, you opened my eyes, what was missing and why I was not satisfied . You put it into words what is missing. I have to commit, that I'm collecting movies, which I like to review from time to time, but due to your created level of quality, which hits me like a hammer, I cleaned most of my harddrive. Too much garbage on it. Thank you for that.I already subscribed to this channel. Now I start to donate for the first time I'm on you tube. You are delivering a fantastic work which I remark as talented and intelligent. You derserve it. All the best and keep going (Drinking ;) ). (PS: I'm German, so please be generous by reading this.)

[@Kurtsg10]

Your English is impressive!

[@Chuck_vs._The_Comment_Section]

@@Kurtsg10 There are tools like deepl that let you translate texts into other languages very easily and precisely. Such as I translated this text with this tool.

[@SeanFication]

The scene where Sarah Connor and John appear naked in the middle of a highway was shamelessly cribbed from "The Sarah Connor Chronicles" TV show, which was actually an interesting and worthwhile development of the Terminator story line.

[@clintonmeyer8884]

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[@CaptainCastle]

The tv show is hardcore underrated imo

[@Rx37Legacy]

How about the glaring plothole that is: Sarah and Kyle never slept together in 1984 but jumped straight to 2017, thus John was never born -> Skynet wins by default? The Sarah Connor Chronicles is the only "thing" that managed to capture the oldschool Terminator. Shame it had to end so early.

[@johnnations5932]

Exactly. i LOVE that series and it is a crime they killed it early.

[@yadanie6194]

Turning John Connor from a Christ-like savior (same impossible conception, savior of humanity, etc.) to a villain was worse than killing him.

[@Burnape]

It still pisses me off

[@henriqueribeiro8167]

That was actually what killed him. And the movie for me.

[@Burnape]

@@Leadblast The John Connor Who Laughs

[@Leadblast]

Genisys is like... if there was a Batman movie where the Joker brainwashes Batman within the first 5 or 10 mins of the movie and then he goes off screen, while Batman becomes the main villain, running around Gotham robbing banks and killing people and doing all kinds of evil stuff until it's up to Robin to kill him in the last act and Robin barely kills Batman, and then the Joker is revealed to be still hiding somewhere at the epilogue. That's just how bad Genisys was.

[@MaryBrownIsTheBlairWitch]

Jesus Christ / John Connor. J C.

[@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns]

2:45 _The Terminator (1984)_ punks: The Dead Kennedys _Genesys (2015)_ punks: middle aged Green Day

[@trontosaurusrex9532]

That's the best description I've heard of those two scenes.

[@hankhill24]

I like how he refuses to call Kyle Reese "Kyle Reese." He just calls him Jai Courtney.

[@MesaOracle]

I was in one of the test screenings for the movie and EVERYONE there told the Paramount numbskulls not to put the John Conner reveal in the trailer. Man they just couldn't help themselves. Most everyone also hated how much Arnold smiled. They decided to highlight that. I think they were trying to kill the franchise to be honest.

[@rageagaintstheNWO]

Why do they even do test screenings if they don't give a flying rats ass about the opinions?

[@9292098]

Didn't T2 make the same mistake by revealing that the T-800 was the good guy in the trailer? History is truly doomed to repeat itself

[@shawklan27]

So funny

[@thaynealexander]

In the test screening. Did any of you like the movie at all?

[@alansilvero]

@Jerome Bout I mean they rely a lot on the brand recognition for the most part. Besides being a trainwreck it still made a lot of money.

[@sithalchemist]

I hate that Salvation didnt do well all I wanted from this franchise was the machine war and I actually liked Bale as a military Conner.

[@olotocolo]

"all I wanted from this franchise was the machine war" I really not often do that, and can't really say i can recommend it... but have you seen Termiantor:Resistance game?

[@sithalchemist]

@@olotocolo nope never played any of the games

[@maelqueromain8010]

@@sithalchemist I really recommend playing terminator resistance. Well done, respects the source material and only takes into account T1 and T2.

[@USSAnimeNCC-]

Afte t3 it should have taken in the future to bad they repeat a similar plot done 3 time already in past 3 movie

[@WhatPlantsCrave-ur1ht]

Same here! As bad as T3 was, the ending still promised that eventually we'd get to see a war movie taking place in 2029. Salvation was clearly taking the franchise in that direction, and didn't bother with time travel because the writers knew it was no longer necessary. Genysis was a sad, pathetic case of Hollywood making a safe movie that came across as a near-remake, all for more money. Sure, we still got that war in 2029... during the opening credits!

[@garcemac]

This is so sad :( I am 57 years old, and Hollywood is Hell-bent on making my last 20 years on this planet as miserable as possible.

[@burningheart2909]

I feel ya. It's not what it used to be 😕

[@rageagaintstheNWO]

Hollywood AND your gov.

[@Fridaey13txhOktober]

Solution: Nuke Hollywood from orbit!

[@connorgolden4]

Bro, how do you think I feel? You at least got to live through the best of cinema. I got to watch it decline and spend the next 50+ years watching them produce more shit.

[@sgt.thundercok4704]

That and the NWO, eh?

[@martinmirchev4948]

Just wanted to point out that the T1 Kyle Reese wasn't scrawny nor skinny. He was in peak form, lean AND strong, just like an efficient soldier would be. The modern hyper jacked look is just a temporary deformation of the understanding of human perfection, much like the baboonish lips many girls aspire to. I would much rather have an army of fit, fast and resilient soldiers than an army I must provide 10k calories a day for each soldier, two workouts plus the time required for recovery and plenty of mirrors so they can check on their progress.

[@gordondavis6168]

The whole point of the first Terminator film was that Skynet was doing a Hail Mary pass - sending one machine back in time to stop defeat, and Reese says that Skynet sent back one machine. Now, Terminator 2 was such a good film that I didn’t mind that Cameron went back to the well one more time. However, now it is ridiculous with multiple terminators coming back in time through multiple universes. What is the point if our heroes win in this movie, another terminator will come. It is as story-defeating as if the Empire had 600 Death Stars.

[@ericpode6095]

The Empire has 600 Death Stars? Don't give Di$ney writers ideas!

[@markcobuzzi826]

I think J.J. Abrams heard you, when he was writing the script for The Rise of Skywalker.

[@dezznutz3743]

Exactly. Its why ALL of these franchises need to end.

[@lordkhail]

T2 is an amazing film. That being said, the logic that the T1000 was not sent initially or even as a counterpart to the first Terminator doesn't make any logical sense for the insane A.I. that Skynet is. You can effectively rip apart the entire storyline if you really wanted to. Genysis is not amazing, I just really enjoy that they tried to tie it back to the original two.

[@jakubrejak1114]

@@lordkhail Given the efficiency of T-800 in the previous missions, Skynet thought it would be enough.

[@88Somi]

About Arnold, those heart's operations will not pay by himself.

[@ADIDASects]

Charlie Kelly?

[@cansee0]

Think you mean - won’t pay itself

[@worsel555]

I just find it funny that our action stars tend to be geriatrics. Arnold, Stallone, Chuck Norris to a certain memeish extent.

[@curtisnucmed]

“Come with me if you want to kind of forget about the Greyjoy fleet”.

[@thehoerscorral8565]

"Come with me if you want to just burn them all because your nephew doesn't wanna bang, and bells or something"

[@thekiller7994]

“Come with me if you want to be shanked by someone who now hates you. Alone, in a room without any guards or some kind of protection”

[@Andrew-wv7qp]

Terminator had a great way to shrug off how the time travel stuff worked. When Reese was being questioned by the police, they asked some technical questions about the time machine. His answer? "I didn't build the f*cking thing!"

[@jay_mw]

After watching Genisys I just wrote it off as non-canon. I didn't even bother with Dark Fate. T3 and Salvation weren't good, but they're mostly harmless to the franchise as a whole. Still, the series should've stopped after 2.

[@Woody-nc1ru]

Well said.

[@EliWintercross]

Salvation should have been more about John Conner leading the future war imo But it at least doesn't ruin the timeline like Genisys

[@denisl2760]

@@EliWintercross Salvation has a good concept. Finally ditching the time travel/chase concept from the first three movies, it was starting to get really stale by T3. Focusing on the war. The execution was pretty bad though.

[@KodeLiMe]

At least T3 followed T2 and didn't try to retcon the series. Also, you could tell they were really trying to make a good movie with it. There were some great ideas and moments, but it just couldn't live up to the first two movies. Everything after was just nothing more than cash grab.

[@Peachypeeps]

I enjoyed the Terminator movies all the way up to Salvation, and I agree; they were mostly harmless. Genisys was just an absolute train-wreck, employing a 'scorched earth policy' to the previous movies and just making everything way too confusing and trying to do too much. I would've loved to see this story from Skynet's side, and hear Skynet's thoughts; see the story from the Machine's side and erasing Humanity for their own good. That would have been evil and I would've enjoyed every second of it!

[@Barbaroossa]

"a small child impersonating Sarah Connor", fucking hell, I'm nursing a flu right now and nearly coughed out both my lungs (all three of them) laughing at this sentence

[@MinecraftJesusGaming]

3?

[@MinecraftJesusGaming]

Explain

[@spook6473]

@@MinecraftJesusGaming he's just built different bro

[@dustman96]

Are you sure it's the flu?

[@Barbaroossa]

@@dustman96 lol, yep, I even got tested to make sure it wasn't covid19. Trust me I was shitting myself in dread till I got the results.

[@AnglicanFish]

“But oh no doctor who shows up and injects some weird stuff into John Conner” That actually made me laugh so damn hard you have no idea

[@redpillnibbler4423]

Terminator 9 : Disguised as a violin player in the orchestra,a customised T.800 terminator goes back in time aboard the Titanic to save Sarah Connors great great great grandpapa by stopping the evil T.9000 liquid gas terminator from pushing an iceberg into the path of the ship using omni-directional concentrated gaseous exchanges. Just in time the T.800 ejects his customised circulatory fluid valve mechanism at the T.9000 - the explosion destroying it completely. Sarah Connors great great great grandpapa puts his hand on the shoulder of the dying T.800 thanking him for his sacrifice.The T.800 as last gesture opens his mouth in a wide grin and sings in a loud clear falsetto voice ‘My Heart Will Go On’

[@clintonmeyer8884]

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[@rogerfurlong1535]

Terminator has more idiotic sequels than A Nightmare on Elm Street at this point.

[@erikwilliams1562]

At least those made SOME kinda sense!

[@EivindFlores]

Yeah but I actually enjoy watching the Elm Street sequels. (Not the Michael Bay reboot though)

[@nemesys609]

If we gonna talk about shitty secuels of terror movies (Child's play, Friday 13th, Halloween, Alien, Wrog Turn and other ones), lemme bring here the tea and the vomit bucket.

[@LedosKell]

Compared to the Friday series, Elm Street's unnecessary sequels are masterpieces. There's Jason's mom, Jason without mask, Jason with mask, Jason dies, the stupid one with the dad pretending to be Jason, Jason's back, Jason vs psychic girl, Jason takes Vancouver and part of New York, Jason becomes a chestburster, Jason in space, Jason fights a pedophile burn victim, and then a reboot that compiled the first four movies into one. And they tried in three separate times to imply Tommy would become the next Jason but went nowhere with it. It's a mess and I don't know how they made money.

[@planetschlock]

@@LedosKell Part V was hilarious, how dare you.

[@timteller1400]

The kissing between the buff dude and the child is pretty "Hollywood", i guess.

[@straightjacket308]

😳 Oh shit!!!

[@freshpalm4473]

Damn, bro, now I can Unsee that

[@thatperformer3879]

Damn it you’re right, now looking at how jacked Jai Courtney is I can’t help but think about that picture of John Podesta “Skippy” in full body freak paint. Such a monster!

[@TheTrueChuckNorris]

I was thinking the exact same thing 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@shawklan27]

Yep

[@rhysoneill7399]

The only terminator movie I like after the first 2 is salvation It had interesting ideas Included the t-600 terminator Marcus was an interesting addition and character why we didn't get a salvation trilogy over 3 genesis and dark fate is beyond me .

[@PeakDennisReynolds]

Think your misremembering the release dates. T3 came out before Salvation did. It would of existed even if we got a Salvation trilogy.

[@JustSumGuy01]

The whole plot to take Sarah Connor to "present day" has already been done in the Sarah Connor Chronicles which weren't bad

[@tamarans.ns.ii.4968]

The first season of SCC was superb. Highly recommended. Too bad the second one was so shit.

[@jmal]

@@tamarans.ns.ii.4968 Worse, it ended on a cliffhanger.

[@SirDot]

"Present Day," a.k.a. 1999 or something

[@mqfii8992]

Remember MIB 3? When they bothered to cast someone that could pass up as a young Tommy Lee Jones?

[@MaryBrownIsTheBlairWitch]

Josh Brolin's great as the young K.

[@linkyboi5961]

@@MaryBrownIsTheBlairWitch Yea I don't think there was anyone better for the role. He was perfect for it

[@ABeardedDad]

Gensys: Hey were making a(nother) terminator movie, here's a coy of the script Robert Patrick: Go away now!

[@ashokwwf]

James Cameroon himself once said that the story ended with T2: Judgment Day. And I 100% agree with him. None of the other movies in the franchisee exist for me. I have unseen them and forgotten them.

[@PeakDennisReynolds]

Agreed. It's a two movie franchise. Just like the Alien and Predator franchises.

[@waxmandr]

Cameron also said he loved Dark Fate.

[@Snakedude4life]

It is worse in a completely different manner than dark fate. Not a lot of movies can reach both ends of the crap spectrum. 🎩 🐍 no step on SNEK! 🇺🇸🇭🇰

[@mikaelbiilmann6826]

Alien: Hold my beer.

[@heartysquid]

Sup man, glad to see you here.

[@Snakedude4life]

@@heartysquid 🐍👉👉

[@fattiger6957]

@@mikaelbiilmann6826 Alien and Terminator are the poster children for film franchises falling off a cliff.

[@yewtewbstew547]

​@@fattiger6957 Yeah definitely. imo the only Alien movie that's so bad it's unwatchable more than once is AvP2. I don't really plan on watching Resurrection, AvP1, Prometheus or Alien Covenant ever again, but they all at least have _some_ entertaining scenes to get you through. I've seen Genysis once and I know for a fact I'll never watch it again. I'm not even giving Dark Fate a single chance, that can get fucked lol.

[@shadowleon659]

The sad part is that the only post T2 sequel that actually did something new, different and original was Terminator Salvation. It is still the best post T2 sequel.

[@mercenaryknight5419]

@@MUSICLOVER23429 Well, it was meant to be the star of a TRILOGY, before the studios shitcanned the idea like fools. Also, it got an R-rated cut on Blu-Ray. Also, the film was set in the early days of the war, so of course no laser fire then.

[@Davidsworldtravels]

@@mercenaryknight5419 it's made up. They can have laser guns and dark sci fi anytime they feel like it. The pacing and overall story doomed it not the studio.

[@flioink]

John Connor lookin' Chandler from "Friends", very distracting and poor casting.

[@terrylandess6072]

As soon as Drinker brought up casting for Kyle Reese, I immediately though of another character actor whom lacks charisma, but looks closer - Garrett Hedlund.

[@grahamtaylor8912]

Yeah he was a terrible actor..

[@PsypherWolf]

"Could he BE any more miscast?"

[@huwguyver4208]

@@PsypherWolf lol see what u did there

[@mikeoxlong1395]

Looking more like Logan Paul to me... even worse.

[@GuitarLessonsBobbyCrispy]

They make an effort to make the Terminator look 100% like it did in Terminator 1, but made zero effort to make Sara and Kyle look like they did in the original movie. Strange, and confusing at first.

[@Axemantitan]

This script sounds like something that I would have thought up in middle school.

[@kforcer]

I don't even know you but I'm pretty sure it's more like the rough outline of a rough draft of something you thought up in middle school.

[@victorianojm24]

Dont sell yourself short bro, probably more like when you were in elementary school

[@Saintphish]

Even then I’ve seen better written stuff by middle schoolers

[@debonaire_nerd]

*Terminator:* "Hey, Scotsman - come with me if you want to live" *Drinker:* "BAH! I'm already dead, just look at all the empty bottles. Gooooo away noooww!"

[@blackkapmorris9404]

Man now that’s spooky

[@BELCAN57]

"Nah, it'll be fine...."

[@debonaire_nerd]

@@BELCAN57 "judgment day is inevitable." "Aaaargh, so is gangrene."

[@medexamtoolscom]

If you want him to get away and live, just give him some grease. There's nary an animal alive that can keep up with a greased scotsman.

[@Horrormaster13]

Terminator: Genisys KILLED the Terminator Franchise. Terminator: Dark Fate was the last nail in the coffin for the Franchise.

[@themysteriouscatperson9483]

I wouldn’t say genisys killed it, I’d say the franchise was on a one way trip off a cliff since terminator 3

[@arch1107]

@@themysteriouscatperson9483 genisys killed nothing, if it was done better would have revived the franchise, but didn't do well, too much humor, the problem was dark fate, it was, a dark fate for terminator

[@mopanov]

I don’t really agree with you about genesis, but I agree completely about DF and I’ll like your comment for that.

[@lazarushernandez5827]

@@arch1107 Genisys had potential, there were some ideas in the movie that made sense at the time; Skynet becoming an internet/cloud based entity was a cool idea given where we were technology wise at the time ( everything was/is online), and John Connor being compromised would have been an unexpected surprise. Except they released trailers that spoiled major plot points including giving away that John Connor is now a Terminator/hybrid.

[@arch1107]

@@lazarushernandez5827 yes, alot of good things going on there they handled arnold as a old person, what he is now, people hated that, but he is a old person, so see him as a grandpa was common sense, but didn't worked alot of good things, but the general style of the movie didn't helped, but tbh, i liked it alot, is not the best, but is very far from the worst

[@travist.7279]

As someone who has conceived of sci-fi scenarios, I think I see a way to finally give the Terminator franchise a decent burial. Consider this: "T1" had the machines going back in time, to stop the resistance from ever forming. "T2" had the humans of the present trying to stop the machines from ever being built. This resulted in an endless time loop. One person or company may be prevented from building the machine---only to find that someone else built it, under a different name ("Skynet", "Genisys", "Legion", etc). The technology is already out there, just waiting for someone to pick it up. How to solve this? Possibly, allow the machine to be built, but ensure that it's programming is different. Perhaps, instead of a prime directive of "Neutralize the Enemy", maybe, "Protect Humanity". Or, before allowing the machine to take control of anything, have it run through a series of simulations, so that it comes to a realization---similar to WOPR in "War Games". This would not be an action flick, but more of a psychological thriller with intrigue and deep philosophical questions. The franchise could then be put to bed, in perpetuity. ---Just a thought.

[@solarsailer4166]

Who honestly thought this was a good idea? I just cannot imagine how the pitch meeting for this script went. I can get how Dark Fate was made, given that it was created by people whose political ideology had obliterated all sense and reason. But this film, didn't anyone raise a hand ask "uh, is this something we should be doing??" The whole point of Beihn vs Schwartzenegger is that you have a wounded scarred, half/starved and battle hardened man doing his best against a massive poweful machine disguised as a body builder. Courtney is way too healthy-looking and muscled to communicate a hard and desperate future. This film cannot figure out its tone. Is it serious? Are we supposed to be on the edge of our seats or laughing at the 'Bad Boys" song? Who knows? The rating doesn't help at all. Why is there no nudity? Why is the violence watered down? I get that dropping the rating makes it easier for US teens to see it but it weakens the film. Why is there no romance between Sarah and Kyle? That was the very heart of Terminator. A man's love for a woman motivating him to everything he can to win a nearly impossible mission is just so classic and beautiful. Where's the Sam Neil scream, Drinker? But yes, I do fee like I wanna throw up!

[@fattiger6957]

Plus, Biehn's performance is friggen amazing. The guy plays Reese, not as some cool warrior guy, but as a deeply damaged man who has been completely traumatized by privation and war. The movie even implies he might be a virgin. Nowadays, every action hero needs to be some wisecracking cool guy based on the Marvel mold.

[@joelvannatta3266]

There was no romance because God forbid they show a woman having any sort of reliance on or attachment to a man, especially a white man. She must be a strong independent woman, after all.

[@solarsailer4166]

@Chidis Skaniukas No doubt, but I think they failed at that!

[@solarsailer4166]

@@joelvannatta3266 I get you. I know plenty of women who love the romance part of Terminator. I don't know who these Hollywood types think they're pandering to, but they're not the regular film watchers.

[@matane2465]

Pretty sure Clarke and the other GoT actors won't do nudity any more which is why there was less and less nudity as GoT went on.

[@orchid9]

Actually the more I think about the more it seems that Salvation wasn’t half bad as Terminator movie. It was bold, didn’t shit on franchise’s legacy, had philosophical undertones and wasn’t a soulless rehash for quick buck. Yeah, it wasn’t that good, but it was a rock solid spin-off movie.

[@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09]

Salvation is the only sequel that had some potential

[@stuartspencer2161]

At least Salvation tried to introduce new elements, rather than rehashing the same storyline again and again.

[@OgIKidd]

I wish that we could have gotten the original version of the script shot. The ending was going to highlight just how painfully bleak the future actually was by killing John Connor in the end, and having the human Terminator hybrid take his place posing as John in subsequently planned sequels. Saying that John both was and was never the true last hope for humanity. Adding an additional note of tragedy to the stories of his mother, father, and himself. Their struggles and experiences being the ultimate symbol of human sacrifice for the greater good of all mankind. The metaphorical and literal humanity that John gives to an ex-con murderer turned inorganic man hunter being what ultimately saves everyone....

[@medexamtoolscom]

Yeah T4 (Salvation) was certainly better than T3 or T5. That one was worthwhile. So you could watch T, T2 and T4 and that's it.

[@DrHyde-hj3ym]

@@OgIKidd To be honest, I would have loved that original idea they had for it. It could also be why the machines can't win because someone is always taking John's place in a sort of "I am Spartacus" kind of moment creating logic issues for them leading them to keep sending terminators back in time because they keep failing to kill what they thought was the "real John Connor".

[@Shoxic666]

T1: A classic 80s sci-fi action film. T2: One of the greatest films ever made, great action, decent comedy that's not overbearing and brilliant characters. T3: Mediocre, middling and overall watered down but still plays with some fun ideas and good action, like T2 but less good. TS: Bold and unique, tries to actually do something fresh with the franchise instead of relying on nostalgia, sadly forgettable. TG: Relies on nostalgia too much, cheesy as hell but at least the action is okay. TDF: No.

[@GeorgeMonet]

Bold and unique in a sequel three movies down translates to DOES NOT RESPECT THE SOURCE MATERIAL.

[@InfamoussDBZ]

The movie showed the Conner/Terminator hybrid shed a single tear so John's in there somewhere without free will. Probably just to torture him.

[@mgonzo3881]

The Predator series is another franchise that started strong, only to end up being a pile of shit.

[@Krisliet]

Yeah I actually quite enjoy Predator 2, despite all the shit it gets.

[@JoakimOtamaa]

@@Krisliet Danny Glover makes it work for me. He's really likable in the role. I also liked Predators, even though it's pretty much a remake of the original Predator but with Super Predators, wooooooo scaaawwy. The Predator was just plain shit.

[@metaldiscipline3955]

I thought that the first three movies were great! I never bothered to watch The Predator, and I detested the AVP movies.

[@JasonAdank]

Sadly, anytime anyone mentions Predator the first thing that pops into my head is ... Adrien Brody as a tough guy marine.. :/

[@Krisliet]

@@JasonAdank What, you don't think a guy that can play Chopin can also be a replacement to Arnold? Yeah me neither.

[@SquidGunman]

I think dark fate was worse than genesys.

[@mysterion3182]

100% agree with you there. I never even finished it.

[@2Drezik]

Yep

[@twatts45]

Much worse

[@mateoreyes6921]

A LOT worse

[@Pedritox0953]

I enjoyed Terminator genesis..... I think the hate is because the fans wanted the original actress of Sara O'Connor and they got Dark Fate

[@Zapp__Brannigan]

Continuity issue: In T1, Reese states that he was born _after_ the nuclear war. So...why the hell does the scenery look so distinctly not like a barren hellscape when Reese tells his younger self the secret that sets the whole thing in motion?

[@EvilDoresh]

Did the writer(s) not bother to rewatch the first movie? Or did they just think people would assume that the retcons caused this slight continuity error?

[@EvilDoresh]

Did the writer(s) not bother to rewatch the first movie? Or did they just think people would assume that the retcons caused this slight continuity error?

[@agb8764]

I believe that could have something to do with postponing judgment day. I don't know, I can't remember genesis and dark fate very well.

[@roak5456]

Well, the Kyle Reese from T1 comes from a timeline where Judgment Day happened in 1997. That might be why.

[@lepke1979]

Probably because they forgot. But mostly because Judgement Day kept getting postponed. That was the main takeaway from the third film at least. Which I guess that isn't part of the continuity anymore (don't know, never got around to seeing this one yet).

[@shanerawady8043]

Apart from your reviews on disney star wars, this has to be my favourite movie review!!!! love you're work!!

[@billrules8716]

I really like Emilia Clarke, since she's hot and British and seems nice with fans. Unfortunately, her small size makes her all kinds of not perfect for a role like this.

[@TheMasterGamer21]

Same. Its really hard to hate her, but I'm sure even she would admit that she didn't fit in this movie.

[@Ms_StoryDragon]

She said she wouldn’t be back if they did decide to make another one lol

[@pettifoggingpharisee]

Seriously, I almost thought that this was before GoT when I realized she was already Mother of Dragons four years before this flick.

[@chatteyj]

I even think she was miscast in GoT, she is just too damn nice , she kinda pulled it off in the end but I think others could have done it better and she is better off in more innocent roles.

[@dylanmahaffey8920]

I wish she could get cast in a good movie.

[@2Meals]

As one once said, terminator is like genders. There's only 2. LOL...

[@OrangeApocalypse]

🤣 I'm expecting your replies to fill up with Blend's and Swapsies comments soon enough, asking what you mean by only 2?? 🤣

[@harpritamdhaliwal1636]

Yes -Patrick Star

[@prime_optimus]

You mean besud s the other 4 keep vies? Edit: movies not keep vies. Fucking auto correct.

[@jetiscute1]

You and your caveman thinking is stuck in 2010 and it’s so cute

[@dr.juerdotitsgo5119]

Maybe, but only the the original is actually good.

[@jondavidtheauthor6318]

Genesys DOES kinda crap on the legacies of the characters of Sarah and Reese. BUT at least it's not as bad as to what Rian Johnson did to Luke Skywalker. There's also the fact that Genesys is rather forgettable. I actually needed to be reminded of it by your video here.

[@zenituragaming5043]

Unpopular opinion and I know it sucks but if you take it as so bad that it's good it's an awesome movie

[@Facade953]

The movie was pretty well received in Europe and other continents.

[@luchomscyfy]

I prefer forgetable, over "offensively bad" from Dark Fate. Besides the script being dumb as a brick, Terminator DF, have Arnold being a T 800 that regrets killing John Connor and becoming a family dad and.....selling wallpapers?.....interior design? I'm not kidding. It looks like a bad Robot Chicken skit.

[@hancocksthaiboys4161]

Same for me, Salvation included. I'd have to say a film so easily forgotten is worse than a film bad enough to be remembered..

[@piotrd.4850]

@@luchomscyfy Interior design is more of nod to arnold's biography. However, Terminator replacing abusive father was..........uhm...jjjjjjjjjj

[@swag304]

I’m not joking, throughout watching the movie I was thinking to myself “is that supposed to be 1984 Sarah Conor or like a younger version of her from the past?”

[@Tykktarmbetennelse]

Terminator: Resistance is a better continuation than any movie after T2.

[@tcchip]

Yeah, Resistance wasn't even that great a game, but it really captured the desperation of living in the post Judgment Day future, just trying to scrounge enough resources to survive. And it also shows you can do a good Terminator story without hinging it completely on John or Sarah Connor, Kyle Reese or the Arnold T-800.

[@BackFromSpace]

Because every single thing Resistance did was tailor-made to fit the two original movies, not the other way around. The fact that it introduces a compelling cast of new characters instead of beating a dead horse is a cherry on top. To be honest, holding the original so sacred can be seen as a negative in another context, but the sequel movies sure demonstrated that the alternative is worse, at least in this instance.

[@Ms_StoryDragon]

“This small child impersonating Sarah Connor” 🤣🤣🤣

[@THEBLACKBELT]

3:49 They actually offered Robert Patrick to reprise the role, but he turned it down.

[@jamie-aaronsladden_1330]

Smart decision honestly

[@TheEmperorHyperion]

He knew it sucked.

[@mala6238]

Good guy.

[@erikwilliams1562]

Good for him! He’s killin it on his new show anyway

[@sternencolonel7328]

I guess he read a snipped of the script and "fuck this"

[@ChronicKoff]

As always your right about everything here Drinker but I must point out at 7:50 J K Simmons made me laugh with his lines.