Marvel's Avengers (Zero Punctuation)

[@theescapist]

This week on Zero Punctuation, Yahtzee reviewed BPM: Bullets Per Minute. www.escapistmagazine.com/v2/bpm-bullets-per-minute-zero-punctuation/ You can watch it early here on KZbin via KZbin Memberships!

[@Alfred_Leonhart]

What does captain America represent?

[@kamaleyonvt]

@@Alfred_Leonhart idiocy?

[@markpula91]

I was having a bad Yahtzee but thanks to you I’m haveing a good one

[@LightStrikerQc]

Still hoping he plays Hellpoint...

[@shaesullivan]

Any chance Yahtzee will play Epic 7?

[@harrygoad329]

Anyone remember that Lego Avengers game that came out around 2013? That despite being a Lego game, had an interesting and original storyline, an interesting variety of playable characters and boss fights, had no insipid loot elements, and a Tony Stark that didn't make you want to fill in your ears with a glue gun? I miss those days.

[@stanley1698]

those were good games, even if the formula got a bit stale after a while

[@vapid6311]

no, the lego marvel superheroes is the one your thinking of, lego avengers was just a movie cash in with the occasional good gag.

[@clochard4074]

Couch coop, destructible vehicles and wacky characters! It was some sort of tiny GTA for kids.

[@Midnight-Starfish]

Heck, they even made the Star Wars prequels enjoyable and that was their first Lego game.

[@bugjams]

What do you mean, "despite being a lego game"? Almost all the lego games are amazing and have more thought, love, and effort put into them than any of the games about the characters they're actually trying to spin off.

[@captain_hat6247]

*MARVEL'S AVENGERS (2020) WILL RETURN IN...THE BLAND 5*

[@ssvineman]

Captain_Hat placin' my money on “THE MEDIOCRE 5”.

[@genericprotaganist5042]

$15 on mediocre

[@demonking-zm3rs]

Nah this review(I don't really consider these actually reviews because yahtzee can make even steak sound terrible) its less dislike and more just meh for him

[@amilyester]

🏌️‍♂️👏🏻

[@vinnythewebsurfer]

Feels more suitable for the bland 5. Top 3 for sure.

[@iamthepkmmaster]

Remember, this is the game that caused Deus Ex: Mankind Divided to be cut short.

[@marcosfidelis4171]

you're kidding right?

[@sachin72767]

no deus ex died because people didnt buy it

[@Mightyzep]

sachin72767 he didn’t say it’s why deus ex died, just why mankind divided was significantly shorter than human revolution.

[@DarkHarpuia]

I didn't know that and now my day is immeasurably worse. Thanks!

[@lyravain6304]

@@Mightyzep Umm, didn't Mankind Divided come out a LONG time before this... thing? I fail to see the connection, but I've not delved too much into things.

[@Doctor_Nu]

I wish these big companies would stop making gambling machines, and actually use their huge amount of wealth and talent to create a genuine piece of art

[@shirshanyaroy287]

lol

[@CoffeeMaus]

Bah, unenlightened plebian don't you see? Video games need to have shitty loot boxes, how else are they supposed to turn a profit? By making a fun and interesting game? No no no, what you need is a horse poo physics engine and realistic balls that shrink in the cold!

[@asddsa8203]

But that doesn't print infinite money. Effort does not print money.

[@bugjams]

Welcome to unchecked Capitalism! Oh sorry, was that too red-pilled for you? Well get ready to take your meds, cuz there's no positive spin on this one.

[@gurpyaresingh6189]

We cannot expect art from people who are only concerned with filling their pockets.

[@zwergz1122]

I couldn't stop hearing Deadpool whenever Tony Stark made quips, and I wanna know how Banner had a magical jacket whenever he transformed back

[@ACBongo]

Same way he always has magical trousers that fit him as Bruce Banner and the Hulk!

[@lennywayes4245]

He keeps it in the back pocket of his super expanding hulk boxer briefs

[@hoodedman6579]

@@V4Now Plot hole if anything, but I wouldn't really call it either, it's not really related to the plot.

[@reno_2200]

It's hinted that he 'finds' them and picks them off the floor. So when you're in an ex-SHIELD base, he finds an old SHIELD coat conveniently lying around.

[@giloguy101]

I love Nolan North he's done great work, but why they went with him and not Eric Loomis, who's been voicing Iron Man in Marvel media for nearly a decade is baffling to me

[@gurpyaresingh6189]

Honestly, I'd just settle for someone with a big budget doing what Hulk: Ultimate Destruction did, but with current gen graphics and quality of life improvements.

[@burn1none]

Dude that game was so good

[@Brickman274]

Hulk ultimate destruction with the frost engine would be beautiful!

[@zwergz1122]

I bought that game again a month back and it's still good as I remember

[@adamthompson4072]

Open world hero game, or open world monster game? Because either way I'd be down

[@imoddwhocares]

Played the PS2 version a year or two ago, boy it didn't age as well as I remembered. Still enjoy an updated remake tho.

[@EllieBerryPie]

Can we...just stop making games into Destiny?

[@jordanj809]

They’ll stop when we stop buying it

[@mohammadwaled409]

@@jordanj809 sooooo... never?

[@MrAndrewaziz]

There is only one Destiny. These others are just bad attempts to replicate their success. Warframe is the closest that has come to it. No other loot based game as a service with MMORPG elements can compete.

[@vapid6311]

We've already got a destiny, it's called destiny, it's the whole mmorpg bullshit again

[@quaza2001]

No

[@coolcat001100]

Funny how last year we already got Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3, which was already an Avengers beat-em-up game but with all of its content unlocked by progressing through the game, interesting team-based mechanics, way more characters, and no stupid grinding.

[@jor4114]

Plus, all the DLC for that game not only introduced even more characters in bulk, but also entire new chapters for the story mode. With this it looks like it's gonna be one or two characters each month and maybe some new missions for the multiplayer so you can grind levels and cosmetics for said new characters.

[@WizardWheezy]

That game had shit loads of grind and basically no post-game to do it in. Still kinda trying to unlock Thanos...

[@RanwulfMaxwell]

The problem is that the game is for Switch only. If that wasnt the case most folks wouldn't even pay attention to this game.

[@hoodedman6579]

There was an Ultimate Alliance 3? I looked it up; it was Switch-exclusive for some reason, which to some degree explains why I had never heard of it. It received middling reviews, with IGN giving it the same score they gave ORAS in that one review no one will ever stop referencing.

[@naiverphilosophy]

Cool cat! I watched your SpongeBob stuff a long time ago. glad to see you're still around.

[@robynr3dhood]

This game looked terrible at reveal and I'm glad to hear that it lived up to that

[@electric_boogaloo2114]

HOW THE F*** DID YOU POST THIS 6 DAYS AGO?! THE VIDEO CAME OUT TODAY!!!

[@pygmalion0451]

You guys remember his cynicism Punnett square? Low expectations, high results: I'm pleasantly surprised Low expectations, low results: *Smug self-satisfaction* High expectations, high results: All is well High expectations, low results: *SUICIDE*

[@Aliens1337]

This game’s campaign is actual decent, and it has a good combat system. The multiplayer live service on the other hand is the blandest and most boring shit I have seen.

[@Fernando-ek8jp]

Why are you glad?

[@awesomebacon1075]

You know, sometimes the trailers are right.

[@srbrant5391]

“What happened to you?! What happened to _us?!_ To the people we were supposed to become?!”

[@vladimirlestrad3120]

SR Brant I don’t know, but it’s probably safe to blame John Romero.

[@owen-tj3yl]

Fuck, that line was great. It was in one of the E3 Videos right?

[@amannamedsquid313]

@@owen-tj3yl It was his "Hunt down the freeman" video if I'm remembering correctly.

[@srbrant5391]

owen Hunt Down the Freeman.

[@srbrant5391]

Vladimir Lestrad “Where my bitches at?”

[@Glettification]

So much of this game's design can be explained by, "because Destiny gets away with it."

[@aleckbo]

Yeah but this game isn't Destiny, in a bad way. That is something I never thought I would say.

[@Ace-il8sf]

Failing to realise that Destiny gets away with it because theres also a damn good game there, albeit flawed. And playing Destiny is just fun, the basic act of shooting aliens in the face is fun, in a way that pretty much no other live service looter shooter has managed to properly replicate.

[@chukyuniqul]

@@Ace-il8sf okay real talk-I hate destiny. Mostly because of what it created. And calling it a damn good game is, in my opinion, a stretch. I gave it a go as a F2P and it was little more than a sci-fi coating over a spunkgargleweewee. But it's free, it bored me but didn't annoy me even when losing and it's sci-fi (not to mentionnan original, if bland one). So that with some solid level up mechanics makes it a game. But it had a fucking loooong way to comr to get where it's now. It's still a waste of time, don't get me wrong (i mean more than video games usually are) but for what it's worth it wouldn't be the last game I think of playing to listen to a podcast.

[@Ace-il8sf]

@@chukyuniqul Oh, disliking Destiny is your right, play whatever you find fun. And yeah, the New Light experience is kinda shit because of how little context you get for well, everything. Problem is, bungie fucks something up, then it doesn't get fixed properly till a year later.

[@mityakiselev]

"I guess Black Widow represents National Geographic or something" ah yes, contributing with endless content of two volumptious hemispheres

[@kidkangaroo5213]

...nice

[@7974Falcon]

Does that make hawkeye hulu or espn?

[@kemojoaquin]

We got a live one.

[@FamousWolfe]

voluptuous* the word you're trying to use is *VOLUPTUOUS* lol

[@doubledamn2599]

Of course Black Widow represents National Geographic, she's got them huge....tracts of land.

[@Mishomish0]

I've been reading comics for a while now, and after Iron Man on 2008 every series, comicbook or adaptation has tried to replicate Robert Downey Jr excellent portrayal of the character to no avail. Same with the reboot of Peter Quill, nobody can replicate Chris Pratt lovable idiocy.

[@draketheduelist]

The Earth's Mightiest Heroes animated series did alright blatantly copypasting RDJ's portrayal. Wonder what happened to them... Oh yeah, cancelled by Disney. That checks out.

[@Mishomish0]

@@draketheduelist I found him more Abrasive and less Witty than RDJ. And its one of my all time favorites series with the Avengers. That voice cast is super iconic

[@maul42]

Nor should they have tried, with Quill. I miss original comics Star Lord, MIA since 2014.

[@MrStealYoBeef]

@AlreadyWon That's because the majority of the characters weren't given much screen time in IW or Endgame. The movies were already ridiculously long, if they were to expand on the "side characters" more (major characters that AREN'T Thor/Tony/Cap) then we'd have a 7 DVD set for each movie. Guardians of the Galaxy, however, was fantastic and Quill was given some great character development in those movies. He just wasn't a focus of the two "climax" movies that you wished he was. Which is understandable because the vast majority of people wanted to see Thor/Tony/Cap the most, those are the three most major characters that even the people who aren't really fans of the MCU absolutely love. And those movies were made to sell to as many people as humanly possible, Disney wanted to shit on Avatar's long held record.

[@kingsleycy3450]

Much as I like Guardians of Galaxy, it definitely changes the tone for all nerd properties in this decade. Now everything is infected with this smug, self-aware, irrelevant attitude- almost as if they are too cool to be seen with nerds.

[@makotoplush9776]

I hear a lot of people say it'll get updates soon but looking at the forgotten corps that is Anthem, I highly doubt that.

[@ramiel7666]

Supposedly there was an update that fixed a 1000 bugs......really makes me concerned, as to, what state it was in, at release.......

[@armaggedon390]

Am I old for wanting games to be finished when they're released.

[@Eon2641]

It's hilarious how many people have been trained to excuse the triple A industry handing us half a game and an I.O.U

[@hoodedman6579]

Anthem was a failure to an almost absurd degree; I seriously doubt that this game is anywhere close to as bad.

[@axios4702]

@@armaggedon390 no, you are a sane person

[@JustinY.]

Disney: "Don't care, we made our millions anyway"

[@lcs-1]

haven't seen u in a while omg

[@jakerockznoodles]

@@UnChannelDuVulpineX Billions of debt don't mean much when the fat cats at the top still hand out tidy sums to themselves.

[@juras99z]

Hey justin

[@RemiScutlet]

fish

[@mrman6035]

Hey Justin

[@explodingtomahawks7589]

So where does Hawkeye fit in? Is he like Touchstone Pictures? ...wait.

[@mrmonkeyman79]

Hawkeye is definitely Mirimax.

[@Avagantamos1]

@Esben M He'll apparently be free DLC but it makes you wonder why they would make it DLC at all rather than just adding him in an update

[@seatspud]

Who would represent The Muppets?

[@explodingtomahawks7589]

@@seatspud Maybe Spider-Man?

[@deanospimoniful]

No one cares about Hawkeye.

[@Drimphed]

Yahtzee was actually kinder on this game than several other reviews I read, that's new.

[@jeremyross9698]

Kinder? Or did he just find the game so bland, he couldn't even work up sufficient vitriol for it?

[@SpideySensei72]

I tried watching him do a play through with Kamala and the Hulk and this game seems more like a punishment than anything even remotely close to fun.

[@MBOmnis]

The critique about the current state of the industry is on point, as always.

[@pasta8tp727]

I got to “agreeable grunt” and that’s when I pissed myself laughing and deleted the game.

[@sl_50]

matt ??? what is that supposed to mean. The game’s super bugged and hasn’t been play tested properly

[@ichbinein123]

Why did you even buy it in the first place? That's $60 out of your pocket to Disney, for a product you knew were shit.

[@pasta8tp727]

Think I don’t know that? I went full marveltard instead of doing what I usually do and wait a day or two for reviews/let’s plays.

[@pasta8tp727]

Im furious I burnt money, but I have no one to blame but myself.

[@ichbinein123]

@@pasta8tp727 sorry, didn't mean to sound like a condescending prick... Well only slightly, but at least we can all learn something from this.. That I'm infallible, and have an IQ of 2000.

[@Cruzer91]

"Marvel's Avengers" really is the "Anthem" of 2020.

[@Zayl1016]

Which in turn was the Dark Souls of disappointing failures.

[@jedigovna4058]

It's worse. Anthem doesn't fucking crash every 1-2 hours. Never mind the progression/save corruption issues.

[@Zayl1016]

@@fabricatorzayac Borderlands isn't impressive.

[@scatterbrainart]

It's the Fallout 76 of the No Man's Sky of the Division of the Anthem of 2020.

[@hoodedman6579]

@@jedigovna4058 Dude, Anthem was infamous for bricking PS4s; it didn't actually quite do that but it did require you to reboot the thing in safe mode which is still worse than any other game I've ever heard of for that console and it's not surprising people confused it for bricking. Combined with the horrible staff abuse, I would say that Anthem is definitely worse.

[@vinnythewebsurfer]

I find it both hilarious and sad that Marvel vs Capcom Infinite, another baldly made game that spits in the face of its series legacy actually kinda nails down Iron man’s character and voice actor copycat as one of the other redeeming aspects of that game. Meanwhile a game 100% to fit into the Marvel marketing brand without needed to run by capcom has worse everything.

[@ryanlee2935]

When you get the guy who voiced the character on Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes for two seasons (it's underappreciated! it's great!), instead of whoever Adrian Pasdar is or Nolan "Nathan Drake" North...hey, I never played MvC:I, but I'm not surprised.

[@Aliens1337]

The dialogues in MVC:I are atrocious. Like fanfic level of bad. Dante high fives Iron Man while saying “Yeah, we are cool guys.” gives me the cringe every time.

[@Falcovsleon21]

Which is hypocritical to say considering everyone jumped to FighterZ when it was announced and it’s the more broken mess of the two.

[@alex_-yz9to]

@@Aliens1337 are you DARING to lump in the Cringe pile the absolute gem that is Tony stark and Frank west's Dialogue before they take on Thanos?

[@AceRevero]

@@alex_-yz9to "Go get him Frank!" "Woah, Woah, Woah, -- you want me to go up against HIM? He's gonna KILL me!"

[@PrinsaVossum]

I wonder how Yahtzee feels about Microsoft buying Bethesda.

[@brandonwiley5372]

@AlreadyWon we can only hope

[@GBDupree]

From what I understand, they bought Bethesda by buying its parent company, Zenimax. And since Zenimax has been the source of a lot of problems with Bethesda, and Microsoft's willingness to allow their newly bought IP to be on other systems. Then this means that this could very well be a good thing. We probably won't need to bother with Bethesda net anymore, and the studios might get a bit more leeway with creating the games. But it could also mean that Microsoft might leave them to die or straight up cancel games like they've been doing all this gen. So who knows, but I'm optimistic (though Doom is like the only series of theirs that I care about).

[@jackthompson7125]

I consider both to be cancer at this point, and the thing that might change is the nature of the cancer.

[@xelldincht8149]

After the whole Fallout 76 saga (not sure if it is over yet or not) the only way is up

[@Evasius]

‘Level 2 underpants I found in a bin’ sums it up perfectly.

[@dovakiin296]

Disney: "Wait. Are we the bad guys?"

[@FORTEtheSECOND]

Disney : Please be honest. Which bad guy are we? Everyone : Y E S

[@dastvan8002]

At this point they’re one moon base away from being discount Hyperion

[@MrSafior]

Always has been.

[@pheunithpsychic-watertype9881]

Disney"No its the children who are wrong"

[@dubstepbee6892]

Disney: Am I really becoming the bad guy?...... Disney: No, it's the audience, there wrong

[@asuna411]

"I guess he makes more money then a glazier in the Gaza strip" aged like fine wine

[@oscara8454]

I think someone described this game as a generic brawler with a Marvel skin stapled on. I have to agree with this description. It just seems so... uninspired.

[@caseyhall2320]

Which is heresy when they have the FRIGGIN Marvel IP to work with!

[@MJfp6lx]

Crystal dynamics: "i used the Avengers to destroy the Avengers"

[@Questioneir]

Perfectly balanced, as all things should be...

[@Mernom]

3:24 "oh, those business tactics don't work on me" If you bought this game of your own will, rather than to review it or some other work related reason, they clearly do.

[@vapid6311]

the real sad thing is kamala khan is actually quite the decent character in the comic books, so to see her boiled down to an archetype and become an insipid version of miles morales is super disheartening

[@MrMetalforever5]

I thought I was crazy when I saw this character and cutscenes and wondered what the hell everyone trumpeting her awesome character were talking about.

[@Rebellions]

I'm one of the people that hates her comic book counterpart too so to hear they did her even worse is beyond hilarious to me.

[@Falcovsleon21]

Rebellions How can you hate her.....you’re one of those people that think she’s a forced diversity push, aren’t you?

[@hongu1634]

Falcovsleon21 AKA majority of comics fans these days

[@Rebellions]

@@Falcovsleon21 Yes and No. Yes, because Marvel straight up lies about what is and is not acceptable in the Muslim faith and her comics early on could not go more than a few pages without really hammering "hey shes of this faith" home for... no particular reason near as I can tell. No. Because some of her issues are not unique to her, comics have had a problem for a few years with an utter lack of tension or struggle for their MCs where the fights are concerned particularly, but also with moral quandaries being resolved in a really stupid way. She is not unique in this area once again, but it's still a bad habit writers need to kick because its fucking boring. the majority of my problem is not Kamala herself, it's that I dont like G. Willow. Hand her off to someone that doesnt vomit on a keyboard when drafting characterization and I could see her working.

[@ObsidianHunter99]

The fact that most gaming channels I watch preferred to play Among Us really says it all tbh

[@brandonwiley5372]

and among us is a mobile game! a very well made, fun, mobile game! (that i have been playing since 2018, i'm hip)

[@jackthompson7125]

Heavily watered down Space Station 13. More of a party game really.

[@MyScorpion42]

@@jackthompson7125 Party games can be good, not every game session needs to be deep or complicated

[@trustypatches669]

@@MyScorpion42 True. If I've learned one thing from the world of gaming in the past few years is that complex =/= good But companies and consumers don't seem to get that given the popularity of Jimminy Cockthroat games.

[@taxevasion4870]

Amogus

[@papayafish8519]

I wonder if this live service apocalypse Will ever end

[@MTdaBlacking]

It will. The MMO craze crapped out, the FPS craze kicked the bucket, etc. There are too many of these and not enough people to keep each alive. Plus the price of games is going up so I doubt people will buy as many...

[@tom.447]

it always does when consumer fatigue sets in

[@thetruestar6348]

Im fine with sticking with MHW as my "live service" game, at least they make a good game first and just add onto it.

[@Jesse__H]

I expect it will, eventually. Or it will morph into something else. The thing I'm afraid of what exactly that Something Else will be.

[@xyzmangaka19]

@@Jesse__H Am interested in what you think it might become?

[@Wolfs0n]

So glad I decided to wait and see how this would turn out when they announced it. Saved me some cash.

[@CoffeeMaus]

Buying games day one has been a scam for suckers since the Halo days. Got a new expensive console? Now it's blinking red and making daemonic noises so loud the Inquisition busts your door down. Better buy a new one before you're burned at the pyre.

[@FluffyBull]

How is this comment 1 week old?

[@mrcheesemunch]

This is easily the most "AAA" video game I've seen in a while. Until Jim Sterling tweeted about it earlier I genuinely forgot about it and it's only been out 19 days. Despite being modelled after the most popular movie series of all time it's even more forgettable than fucking ANTHEM. Good God I have no idea why so many people still gloat about how good AAA games are, corporate puppets. Literally the only good ones these days are story focused ones like God of War but even then most of them still take so many elements from other games. Like how Horizon: Zero Dawn is a mishmash of a ton of games. Still great don't get me wrong but AAA games on the whole rarely feel all that original. What's even worse is when people bash indie games for being indie, sure many of them aren't all that but some of them are incredible, made with both vision and passion, I'll take that over soulless corporate trash any day. I've only had Risk of Rain 2 a couple of weeks and I've probably already put like 200 hours in to it because indie games can't be fun right.

[@Athados1]

That's why I don't understand why everyone is so upset with Nintendo for having a bunch of partner showcase directs. I've put about as many hours into indie games on Switch as I have 1st party, but everyone keeps acting like the Switch is dead because they're not getting a 1st party game every month.

[@arthurdurham]

I knew this would be terrible from the reveal trailer, but honestly I don't even know what the appeal of a online looter shooter is so I'm not sure why this is worse than say Warframe. So this may have looked terrible to me even if it was "good". Personal preference, but where's the appeal in an endless grind with no story or definitive cap? I get competitive multi-player even if it isn't for me but I can have some fun with it, it's like a sport, but PVE online endless loop doesn't even interest me in the slightest

[@CollinandBri]

Sad thing is that warframe actually has a really entertaining story when you actually find it. It just takes either 100 or 1000 hours to reach that point. Besides warframe has fun gameplay and traversal while this is bugged to fuck and back

[@SatsumaDev]

Warframe has a story. In fact, it has a very engaging story. I'd say that the main story quests in Warframe are the personal highlights of the game for me. Beyond that though, it's the idea of unique and meaningful progression. In something like the Avengers, the Iron Man you start with is the Iron Man you finish with, and is the exact same as everyone else's Iron Man that they both started and finished with. Maybe it'll have slightly better X or Y stat, but there is nothing meaningful or unique that differentiates them. In Warframe, the customization possibilities are so in depth and extreme that it is honestly overwhelming. EVERYTHING can be customized. You can build entirely unique weapons with entirely unique stats and entirely unique looks. Your Warframe's colours, animations, Appearance, Abilities, Ability Appearances, Strengths, Weaknesses, Pets, Ship, etc can all be extensively tweaked to your liking. You can customize almost every aspect of everything to such a degree that by the time you get towards the end of the game, no two players look or even really play alike (at least in theory, in practice a lot of people just look up the most mathematically sound builds, load-outs and play styles from well known community members and copy them). It's hardly a perfect game, with severe balancing issues, and a huge bloat of mid-game content that doesn't go anywhere, with a very distinct lack of interesting late game content. Which is why I've barely played it the past two years, but when it sinks it's hooks into you, it is very compelling to try and build your own personal space ninja to be as stylish, deadly, and fun as possible entirely to your own tastes. There is a very good reason there are multiple sub-communities within the overall Warframe community solely dedicated to the Fashion of the game and making their Warframes as visually appealing as possible.

[@Spiderbloke]

They're power fantasies, albeit fairly directionless ones. I've played Warframe on and off over the years. It used to be fairly straightforward with none of the usual loot BS you get in MMOs and a vague enough story to maintain an air of mystery. Now there's numerous currencies and factions to grind affinity with, abandoned game mechanics and dead end modes that don't synergise with the core game, piles of dull & fairly useless weapons that exist almost soley as fodder for experience, and this increasingly disjointed nonsense animé-inspired story. It's succumbed to the perils of live service games, although a point in its favour is that it isn't as predatory as most of the others.

[@arthurdurham]

@@CollinandBri I didn't know it had a story, but if it takes all that time it seems like it isn't a focus. And yah I guess Warframe must have more inherintly fun game play than this

[@arthurdurham]

@@awkwardcultism People don't want to screw Black Widow or Hulk?

[@TheSnikers111]

What I saw the game my first though was "oh, cash grab" I wasn't wrong in any shape.

[@Zenn_Chan]

by the logic of comparing the avengers to Disney companies, are Black Widow and Hawkeye National Geographic? you forget they're there 90% of the time

[@Force2reckonVods]

"Does it really not bother you that this reeks of algorithms?" No, they don't really think about it, I imagine many of the Marvel fans (myself a fan) just bought into it as one of their first few forays into that. It's easy to forget that while gaming is much more mainstream still like 70% of people's experience with games and in the gaming industry are "I played a few games once with a friend" or "I just play occasionally after work to relax", very casual like.

[@jiado6893]

A lot of microtransactions-based profit comes from 'Whales' with large amounts of money and/or poor impulse control. So I think there really is a bunch of people that can ignore it, not realizing how awful it is for these things to be present.

[@linkisntpink5897]

consume

[@paulman34340]

I mean as much as a die-hard Marvel fan I am! I looked at this game with Extreme Caution and there's a reason I own Marvel Spider-Man for the PS4 but this game I stop paying attention to when I started to see the writing on the wall during its development! To be fair when they reveal my most hated diversity character well second most hated as the be fair Riri is far far more heated then Kamala will ever be! The very moment they revealed her in the game My boner for it being good went soft for real fast because I knew she was going to be something probably similar to Ava from Borderlands 3! And the best thing I can say about that game's DLC is the writers were smart enough not to have her involved in any of their DLC stories which is why those are far superior than the f****** main game! And then I saw all the promises and start the wonder if they were going to break them! So I gave nothing to this game and I said that and I watched and I saw that yes everything I suspected what's going to happen and some of the s*** I did not expect them to f****** new the microtransactions I will very much admit I didn't expect them to be that f****** filthy about adding in, but those Maniacs f****** did it they blew it up damn you damn you to hell! I tend to second-guess AAA games the most before purchasing especially when they do their best to try to insist that no no no they're not going to do that very unpopular thing... Because they're going to do that very unpopular thing because money b**** that will always be the major priority even if it's going to end up being on popular gamers are freaking idiots as far as the greedy higher-ups in the AAA Market are concerned! And they're not completely wrong the only thing that wrong is the number of them isn't the adequate amount for them to sustain this poor Behavior towards them! They should be more concerned about repeat customers coming back for future content rather than trying to trick and milk as much as they can in a one-time thing and then during the be surprised no one came back after the poor treatment the first time! Amazing really that people would not like being visibly look add as walking ATM machines to be exploited! This is why you keep that s*** in your head when looking at people to exploit instead of projecting that s*** and being give me your money b****! Entitled idiots always wondering why no one likes that behavior

[@beamishbull4683]

“Varvels Amengers” is what I focused on till the end of the vid wth XD

[@GT-tj1qg]

"My frothier correspondents" My first thought: Critical Drinker

[@TheRedneckRoman16]

God the 2020 top and bottom 5 is gonna be hard to fill.

[@skprog]

cyberpunk 2077 number 1 - 4 at least

[@invisibleink1145]

Here's how I judge whether or not a company cares about a game: If they hire different actors to do the voices, they don't.

[@Santoryu90]

They basically made Kamala Khan a Mary Sue in this? What the hell? She’s actually a good character in the comics

[@seanromine3932]

And to think, Tony Stark is now Dr Doom.

[@TetaroSeth]

How the quality of these videos have endured for so long is nothing short of incredible.

[@nis5e]

04:57 *"Corporatocracy"* genuinely sounds like a work of dystopian sci-fi.

[@BugsyFoga]

Avengers: The Destiny of Marvel games.

[@lukecarroll4080]

Destiny is really good, they're very different

[@Nightflyermike]

@@lukecarroll4080 destiny is objectively not well designed

[@lukecarroll4080]

@@Nightflyermike i feel it is avery good game just with a bad rep. Not objectively bad

[@baconsir1159]

Painful, but not totally untrue

[@sydious_s_snake]

@@Nightflyermike destiny 2 yes, destiny 1 not really

[@paladinboyd1228]

That starting Joke aged well.

[@01oo011]

0:29 probably the most accurate summary of the game

[@XShrike0]

I have a group of friends that seem to be forcing themselves to enjoy this game out of spite because "gamers are dog piling it." They did the same with with Anthem. They have massive hate boners for "gamers". They are currently putting the game on hold because a bug is stopping them and many others from progressing...

[@hoodedman6579]

Why are you friends with people who are clearly insane?

[@giloguy101]

don't wanna judge but...you need better friends mate

[@MegaZeta]

"Gamers" = your friends. "Gamers" = the people your friends are angry about. "Gamers" = everyone who thinks they're part of some cultural or social battle, or part of some "gaming community", because of the products they consume.

[@uberd3323]

Mega Zeta Gamers rise up

[@Largentina.]

They must believe time isn't worth anything.

[@ravenousbasilisk5120]

"The amazing human diversity quota" That's superh... name alright

[@PintOfJinnes]

"It's like being trapped in an IKEA showroom when all you want is a fucking eggwhisk." God I'm stealing that line so hard.

[@isaackane4931]

This game just makes me appreciate Insomniac all the more for their Spider-Man game. Fucking high quality stuff all around while adequately building up their eventual "diversity quota" into an actual character before he takes the reins. Can't wait for Miles Morales and see them blow more of their AAA peers out of the water. Naughty Dog also made me appreciate Insomniac, but that was for other reasons.

[@Falcovsleon21]

Except Miles wasn’t an actual character when he was first created. Have you even read Bendis’ debut comics for him? They’re dogshit. It was only after other writers and a damn fine movie that he improved. Maybe if impatient non comic reading people like you should take that into play.

[@CarolinaM1305]

Kamala Khan is literally the best character anyone at marvel has thought up in years, and her first couple volumes are some of the best recent comics from any publisher

[@franklinturtleton6525]

One thing I wish they did with Spider-Man was make the side-missions more interesting rather than "do a small objective x number of times" I want like, actual content in the side-missions. Something that I would have missed if I didn't do them. That's one thing I hate about sidequests in general these days. I think the reason why Skyrim is so well received, aside form the mods, is that it has interesting side stories. Almost every single sidequest is an adventure where you encounter new things and find out more about the world. The only thing it has that's mildly annoying is the "find x ingredients" and "get to the end of this dungeon" missions (which i feel have more to do with helping players discover words of power more than maliciously lazy), and those are just a fraction of the content. Same with all the elder scrolls, really. Like, im all for obstacle course missions, that shit was my jam in Ultimate Spider-Man, but the fly through brown clouds or find all the backpacks was just dumb and lazy. Rest of the game was gorgeous tho.

[@hoodedman6579]

This just reminded me of the awful cover of the next Spiderman game; the PS4 one already looked bad, how did they make it look worse? Possibly by just being the same cover again, doing a bad thing twice makes it seem even worse the second time.

[@PhantomShadow224]

How are there custom emotes? When did KZbin become Twitch? Or has Twitch become KZbin?

[@Alfred_Leonhart]

I don’t know it’s better if stop asking questions though... they’re watching.

[@acoin1116]

"Oh God! Everything's spiraling in on itself! What are these things in front of me? Jesus Christ, they're my own buttocks!" - _Dying Light_ Zp, 2011

[@deanofcool]

What. You mean KZbin the advertising platform? The one that plays 2 adverts before every video I watch, 2 adverts half way through every video I watch and 2 adverts at the end of every video I watch? It’s like you can’t tell they’re pushing their premium propaganda on me at all. It soon going to be like that radio station in demolition man that only plays advert jingles. What’s funny is that they will just lose viewers as I can’t imagine anyone stupid enough to actually pay for it. Every one will migrate to twitch, if they haven’t done so already. KZbin slogan should be pushing people to other platforms.

[@PhantomShadow224]

@@deanofcool I’ve been so tempted to get premium because the amount of ads is getting obnoxious. Yes, I know that all part of youtube’s trap

[@scottmacgregor3444]

@@PhantomShadow224 Yep. Pay them to stop poking you and making annoying noises. On the other hand with adds it's a free service, unlike say cable or Netflix.

[@statelyelms]

"but then not everyone's a pro challenge runner like mEuEee"

[@mityakiselev]

I also hate that basically all the plot is some teenage girl's fanfiction

[@knightmare39]

I mean, that's just Kamala Khan in general. She's shown in the comics universe as a giant superhero fangirl even before she got her powers.

[@mityakiselev]

@@knightmare39 Yeah, but I mean, the writing is so lazy... it's a one thing to have a fangirl character, and a whole other level of silly to have everyone remember her due to her fanfiction writing abilities and make her the hero that saves the day just via more and more excuses _ex machina_

[@demonking-zm3rs]

@@mityakiselev Welcome to Comics where Controversies and Ex Machina are just the norm remember the movie that hinges itself on time travel nonsense or how Tony , Quinn and Doctor Strange basically all have the same personality The story was fine not great but look at most marvel movies in isolation a lot of them are pretty bad

[@thomasraines1396]

@@demonking-zm3rs Strange at least becomes more reserved, Quill and Stark are basically the same quippy, smug douchebag.

[@Athanatov]

Seeing some of this game's gameplay, it reminds me of the old times when every action movie under the sun would receive a rushed, generic, linear and somehow successful game.

[@skaterdude7277]

This game plays like sonic boom and i can't believe nobody noticed. Also reminds me of the GOW Norse God I dont understand how developers are forgetting how to make combat satisfying. Any enemy hits you, combo interrupted. You hit enemy, minimal damage and it doesnt even stagger them.

[@brennanwn]

This is a why I love Yahthee. Marvel's Avengers is a distater

[@Dorumin]

Distatrous indeed

[@Blackjack_MD]

I think he was rather nice about it. A little too nice.

[@quaza2001]

It isnt bad just incredibly mediocre

[@FamousWolfe]

I'm having distater for dinner...get it, dis tater? ....I'll leave now xD

[@brennanwn]

@@Blackjack_MD True 🤔

[@buddybleeyes]

Man, the closing lines are the best thing about these reviews yahtzee 😂😂 Keep up the great work, everyone at the escapist :)

[@anangryninja2824]

As soon as Kamala is put into the MCU that Avenger = Disney analogy is the first thing that will spring to mind

[@Avagantamos1]

to be fair, she's been in the comics for a few years and in some of the cartoon shows and movies. Kind of only a matter of time before she shows up in the MCU

[@dirkwolf9463]

Well there's still the first two Ultimate Alliances, which I will happily replay till I'm dead.

[@RemiScutlet]

Yats please talk more about Tony Stark and why shouled he drowned on his own discharge.

[@Rendo86]

ever heard of a comic event called civil war, no not the movie, the books

[@Foreststrike]

"... Black Widow would be National Geographic or something." Damn, Nature, you scary.

[@annadidathingy2832]

It warms my dead heart that every video about this game I saw has at least one comment under it from someone saying they'd rather play another deus ex than this grindotron 3000. Maybe there is still hope for us, single player sods.

[@Mr_T_Badger]

Fighting enemies like we’re trying to kill them using weak flashlights? So Iron Man’s play style is essentially you are a single W40K Imperial Guardsman without 50 of your mates to back you up?

[@pedroivocarvalhofreire97]

The fox and hulk analogy was esquisitely good

[@Fluffyudders]

"Kamala Khan, the amazing human diversity quota" GOTTEM

[@85Zeroangel]

Awesome line

[@LordAstyanax]

3:54 this is honestly quite relatable also I like the reference to the mortal shell episode

[@duckboiii4441]

I love how Yahtzee is always obsessed with Jenny Agutter

[@newsystembad]

I know these comments don't influence the review schedule in the slightest, but I really hope you review Hades soon. It's probably the best-written game that's come out this year. The bosses _notice_ when you don't have certain upgrades, it's incredible!

[@Wowguy233]

Notice how all the articles and reviewers LOVE it like it's amazing and only slightly glaze over the boring elements of the game? I can guarantee a lot of them were bribed. Meanwhile reviewers and articles for legitimately good games give bad reviews. This is why I don't trust game "journalism".

[@jakerockznoodles]

Another thing with the digital age is that they can give reviewers a less grindy and more rewarding version of the same game. Its similar to how Activision on release will withhold a lot of the most shitty MTs and other monetary tactics only to slide them in after all the review scores are already out. This is the danger of this age of gaming, companies are free to alter their games to weedle money out of them after the customer is already sold on it, even if they've already bought it.

[@MrSHURIKENCHO]

3:03 i had to pause the video to laugh my ass off! The picture of the drawn-on smiley combined with the funny voice he made was just fucking golden!

[@popegoodvibes6360]

Very rarely does Yahtzee seem like actually angry at the game hes reviewing and i really cant fault him for hating this one

[@williamgreci8219]

Speaking as someone who played the game with varying degrees of frequency after receiving it in late 2020, I can safely confirm that multiple updates were made since then. Yes, more missions, mission locations, and characters to play the missions as were added. But that wasn't the end of it. The user interface experienced a change designed to make it more accessible. Some of the multiple currencies in the game at the start were removed and replaced with increased output of the currencies they did leave in the game. The first few characters added to the game brought with them additional story stages. One even added an extra hub area for in-between missions.

[@andreasottohansen7338]

"The amazing human diversity qouta" Alright, you got me, take my liked that was freaking funny.

[@MegaZeta]

Too bad you had nothing original or interesting to say in response to it.

[@andreasottohansen7338]

@@MegaZeta If I was clever and original, i would have a KZbin show. Shame neither of us don't actually have any talent, aint it?

[@Hero1922]

the metaphor at the end, that's kind of chilling honestly how right that feels respect

[@lemonlordminecraft]

Was expecting this to be an average of 5 minutes and 39 seconds of Yahtzee dry heaving.

[@angeldeb82]

The running gag of Tony getting sprayed in jizz! Also, LOLed at the imps getting KOed or chopped by the Avengers. Also: 97 pennies, 409 dimes, 1,700,812 Cadbury Creme Eggs, 2 dogs, and 1 Bunch of bananas, as currency! :D

[@TeryJones]

5:31 - No it was just a random "cool name" that Janet Van Dyne (the Wasp) spouted as a possible team name and everyone liked it.......this is actual Marvel Comics canon......yep......

[@NN010]

Meanwhile in the MCU the origin of the name ”Avengers” came from Captain Marvel’s callsign from when she was a test pilot. Which is more interesting than the comics and I guess makes sense given the Captain Marvel film heavily implies that the idea for the Avengers was inspired by her. But still... Yep.

[@jackthompson7125]

Except the Marvel/DC comics industry keeps rebooting the same two universes over and over again, so when people say "it was like this in the comics" I always wonder "which ones?". I'd bet in the first avengers comics maybe they were actually avenging something.

[@TeryJones]

@@jackthompson7125 Yeah with how often the industry just pulls the "Made In Heaven" trick the original context often gets lost....or in Batman's case, covered up.

[@apexnext]

Watching all the ZP i missed when my life was shit. This is one of the best episodes ever. And its more true _now_ (summer 2023) than ever.

[@jeremyrotenberg8426]

You know, I think the ever increasing pile of “like destiny but worse” games has convinced me more of how fun destiny is than destiny itself has.

[@BroughtToBear]

Through the wonders of the KZbin algorithm, I have once more found my feet upon the hallowed shores of Zero punctuation and find myself wondering why I had ever left =].

[@barrygeistwhite3474]

I think you're being a little unfair here, Yahtzee. New Star Wars (mostly) doesn't suck because of the actors. Writers and directors, absolutely, but I think the actors did what they could with what they had. Or maybe I'm just saying that because I have a thing for Daisy Ridley.

[@markbaker4425]

@@jackdaone6469 shes no worse than luke

[@Ungeboren1988]

@@markbaker4425 by that measurement Stalin was not much worse then Ghandi

[@kamikazelemming1552]

I'd argue that every Star Wars trilogy has its good points and its bad points. The Prequels have bad acting, but the story is still interesting, the lore it created led to one of the most amazing animated series to ever exist, and the characters are some of the best in the series. The Originals are the starting point for everything, so its obvious that most of their problems would be glossed over, but Luke and Leia kissing, and the choice to have the Empire bested by ewoks shows that sometimes the best decisions weren't being made in regards to how the story played out. And as for the Sequels, they have the best acting, the best effects and cinematography, and easily the best ending out of the three trilogies, but the story feels all over the place and its clear both studio interference and fan backlash played a huge part in this.

[@satansgayniece6246]

@@kamikazelemming1552 I agree 100%, I think the sequels would have been a lot better if they stuck to what they wanted to make originally.

[@soapbiter36577]

@@kamikazelemming1552 The characters in the prequels aren't good until outside media made them good

[@trevorstone9060]

This has been my favorite review to this day after three years of watching them.

[@tonytins]

I watched a streamer who regularly grinds through this game and I'm, like, "is that really it!?" ... Apparently so.

[@vinceb.8363]

You know it's bad when there is 0 gameplay in the trailers like "Fuckit you'll buy it"

[@velvetsparrow]

“Kamala Khan, the amazing human diversity quota” That’s it, that’s her character in a nutshell, nobody’s topping that

[@Santoryu90]

Naransolongo Boldbayer Yeah it’s sad to see a character messed up in something when they’re actually a decent character in other media

[@sierra3052]

Thanks. I was considering wasting time on this video, but if they say then its not worth it

[@manavsridharan3811]

I can't stop laughing at "I guess Black Widow is Nat Geo or something" XD

[@iaMk69]

Yea, I feel like Gotham Knights is going to get a similar review.....

[@CNWhatImSaiyan]

At least it looks pretty

[@KiTheMC]

Captain America looks like some random dude off the street in a Captain America suit.

[@djrobotnik299]

"The Amazing Human Diversity Quota". Probably the best description of Kamala.

[@pheunithpsychic-watertype9881]

Sad part is even if that was their intention initially, she did start off on a good foot

[@djrobotnik299]

@@pheunithpsychic-watertype9881 Mmmhhh, no. Not for me at least.

[@doctorbees7638]

That was much more mild than I expected

[@ReubMann]

lol I love Kamala in her comic book series. Though I have no interest in this game.

[@velvetsparrow]

I see no difference, she just IS a diversity quota

[@LucasDeziderio]

I also love her! Square Enix did my best girl dirty!

[@odinkiller727]

Velvet Sparrow No she’s an actual character that became popular when first introduced due to her well written solo series.

[@ReubMann]

@@velvetsparrow Might wanna get your brain checked out then and maybe go educate yourself.

[@velvetsparrow]

odinkiller727 Then list one interesting thing about her character that doesn’t revolve around her being a Muslim

[@edwardsimongray4877]

I love how at one point in this video you can just hear Daniel Hendersons voice

[@hecatoncheiresphilosophisi7809]

Yatzhee, you've been doing this for years. I've been watching you for years. Is this it? Is this where I start breaking down and realize just how long time has gone by, the legacies we leave behind seemingly more daunting than the dreams we left behind or the work that needs to be done. Is this it? Are you content, Yatzhee? Because I'm starting to wonder if I am or ever will be. Will you still be here, years down the line, when the world begins completely breaking down due to the climate crisis and we all have to fend for ourselves because the governments we rely on abandoned us?

[@wordenit9351]

Dude what?

[@virtualcynical8515]

I can't agree more. Everything you just said strikes so true

[@astillia6073]

1:26 Thank you for acknowledging us Yahtzee

[@crustyMilk]

Yahtzee, can you do wastelands 3 soon ?? Ive been lovin the game on pc, you might at least find some things to enjoy in it.

[@vincevileborne]

Ha! “SAWDUST 🥣 PORRIDGE”. Brilliant 😂😅🤣