Marvel's What If? - Review

[@tatoh596]

The fact that the writers only introduce Tony in the episodes just to brutally kill him off is so hysterically funny to me and idk why

[@ohnobro1424]

Same idk why

[@zamiaramirez1390]

I think it was definitely a f u to the actor cause he didn’t want to come back and voice for stark

[@alexsiemers7898]

@@zamiaramirez1390 or to the fans who kept asking for him to come back even though he was already one of the big stars of the MCU for a decade. And in that case, I don’t blame Marvel for doing it

[@juliaboskamp9666]

@@zamiaramirez1390 RDJ is already closer to 60 than 45 I don't blame him that he is done playing superhero

[@eztheressence]

Apparently they actually really hated Tony's character throughout MCU, it was kinda sad to learn that but what can you expect from MCU tbh

[@dash648]

Christine’s death is a fixed point for THAT timeline, not for all timelines in the multiverse. That’s why it didn’t happen in the main MCU timeline

[@Hilinx]

Yeah, that is what I assumed as well. I'm pretty sure if main MCU Strange went back to not get his hands fucked the same thing would happen to him.

[@Heoltor]

The fixed point in whatever timeline is whatever makes him become the sorcerer supreme. Because in this timeline, if Christine doesn't die then why did he gained the power to alter time in the first place. Schaffillas got too distracted with the time travel rules of the MCU when the only thing that matters is the universal concept of the Time Travel Paradox.

[@donnamitsuki281]

So if our MCU main timeline Strange had decided to go back so his hands don't get fucked (which was his original intent at some point,fixing his hands) he would fail and get them fucked up over and over no matter what. It's an absolute point because he NEEDS a reason to study magic in the first place.

[@atleastdecent3810]

you are correct in that universe Christine's death is the reason for the universe to exist, the reason the universe was made, is because a story boarder decided that an episode could be made in that premise. By trying to save Christine Doctor Strange would eliminate the purpose of the episode to exist, thus making the episode obsolete, thus destroying the universe. The writers know that doctor strange character would try to save her, but the writers still need to make the universe in which Christine dies.

[@kalashboi]

@@atleastdecent3810 in universe, it’s more like that if strange prevents her death, then he can never prevent it. which creates a paradox

[@rexcelsior5415]

I think Christines death being an “absolute point” is meant to be one for that universe, where if she doesn’t die then Doctor Strange can’t become who he truly is, and not one for every universe.

[@Joe-Shorts]

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[@leothebackgroundsheep3010]

More likely the main Universe simply hasn’t reached to this point yet. It may even be that this is the inciting incident in Multiverse of Madness.

[@thelastmlg2699]

@@leothebackgroundsheep3010 wdym? Main strange became a sorcerer because of his hands being destroyed

[@hansolo3154]

@@leothebackgroundsheep3010 Unlikely since Ancient One said its what drove him to become a sorcerer in that altered universe. Stranges drive in the MCU is his loss of hands+career

[@Slender_Man_186]

I think the point is that Strange looses what’s most important to him. In the main timeline it was his ability as a doctor, his precision with his hands. In this timeline it’s Christine.

[@DoctorHippo]

Strange Supreme was really the goat of the season

[@angrymandanthecommenter]

I think the best one was the loki one, And then strange supreme

[@Joker-f7e5k]

Strange supreme was top tier

[@willwh9228]

And hank pym was the least valued player this season

[@joaotd49]

I also liked episode 3 It’s all that I wanted from the black widow movie

[@samhart51]

What do you mean “the goat of the season”?

[@ryanvaughn5959]

I thought that when Dr. Strange absorbed himself he got his conscience back.

[@acat6145]

Yeah that does make sense being spilt and then made whole

[@AxxLAfriku]

I am thinking about dropping out of school to focus on my career as a star on KZbin. I already make a lot of money on KZbin. School bores me so much. I need more opinions and since I don't have any friends, I gotta ask you, ry

[@matt98785]

Pretty sure he did

[@biglion3179]

@@AxxLAfriku don't do it lmao

[@gustavopereira4924]

@@AxxLAfriku dont

[@nightlypiano41]

It’s so refreshing for Strange Supreme to be chill about his imprisonment. Despite everything, he learned his lesson.

[@unfavred4205]

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[@mediakira6621]

Agreed. They could have easily have made him some generic bitter cold asshole but I love that they made him legit remorseful.

[@theparadoxzone87]

Oooh you haven't seen season two.....

[@QyfieK]

The reason for the weird pacing issues was the pandemic. The original plan was to have 40-45 minutes long episodes but they had to cut them down. That’s also the reason we missed out on the Gamora and Stark episode.

[@MrInvaderOhYeah]

Yeah

[@xanderhug]

And then Disney rushed them out instead of waiting

[@miketrapper0464]

That’s more obvious in the shit filled series that is falcon and winter soldier

[@winifredeghrudje9427]

@@xanderhug Disney is always getting on my nerves

[@IcyDiamond]

@@xanderhug Yeah I would’ve rather them waited imo

[@silliercrayon9588]

Christine's death isn't a contradiction. In whatever timeline, Strange loses whatever is most important to him to study magic. In the mainline, thats his perfect hands, but in this one it's his fiance. If he went back in time to stop his hands from being messed up, that would also cause a collapse for the same reason, Paradox. Wakanda is where the Avengers first battle Thanos, no?

[@plaguedoctor5639]

Yeah but why would he be there? The mind stone isn’t there.

[@silliercrayon9588]

@@plaguedoctor5639 I'll be honest I haven't seen most of the MCU movies.

[@solgerWhyIsThereAnAtItLooksBad]

Since the mind stone was there...

[@deepEleven]

The question is, will Christine be saved if he just go back in time and destroy his hands.

[@mahisinghvi08]

@@deepEleven no because his hands are not the most important thing to him in this universe

[@branflakescereal4174]

The absolute point for Christine’s death was talking about that specific timeline, so it doesn’t contradict itself there

[@alextaylor3670]

Universe, not timeline. Absolute points are solid throughout each timeline within its own universe. What If isnt about timelines, its about universes

[@branflakescereal4174]

@@alextaylor3670 just because What If in general is about universes doesn’t mean everything is about universes. The ancient one literally says word for word, “Christine’s death is an absolute point in time.” Time, so timelines. She never said it’s an absolute point of the universe

[@rickydinto]

Kang had been died already, who did determined what's "absolute point"? meanwhile seems *new Kang* are fine with chaos/crash of timelines.

[@branflakescereal4174]

@@rickydinto no one decides it. I think absolute points are made by reality and time itself to prevent paradoxes.

[@rickydinto]

@@branflakescereal4174 There's branches of timelines for a reason, MCU's concept of timeline is flexible but Kang thought it was too chaotic for a universe to became multiverse, so Kang established "a sacred timeline" [closest thing to "absolute point"] to prevent multiversal wars or any multiversal chaotic events which "What If...?" is come to exist due to Kang's death. Note: "maybe I missed something, don't hesitate to correct me if I'm wrong, please be polite"

[@anamelessyoutuber1462]

The Black Panther/Star Lord episode reminded me of that episode of The Fairly OddParents where Timmy wishes he was never born, and everyone's lives are better without him.

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

"It's A Wishful Life" is such a sad episode when you clearly understand what the message had meant. No wonder why it's considered to be one of the worst episodes in cartoons next to _One Coarse Meal_ from Spongebob.

[@a.f9234]

@@poweroffriendship2.0 I hadn't seen the show. What was the message.

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

@@a.f9234 The message: _It's better for everyone to live a better life if you don't exist._

[@solidhutyr1815]

@@poweroffriendship2.0 thats Rough Buddy

[@a.f9234]

@@poweroffriendship2.0 Reminds of that Johnny Bravo episode which an angel shows the life of his friends if he was never borned. His mom becomes an international spy lol.

[@sombramemer1230]

4:00 Its not a plot hole actually. He cared more about his career than Christine in the main timeline so lossing her would not matter. Here he cares far more for Christine than his career.

[@kingkong9892]

It's just that he seems perfectly fine without her in every other time we see him and she has under 5 minutes of screen time in the MCU

[@gauthierlagrange490]

@@kingkong9892 that’s the point of « what if », we are not in the same timeline, and the change here is clear. In our universe, the fixed point in time is strange losing his hand/career which he cared the most about, motivating him to to learn magic, he didn’t really care for Christine in comparison. THE change this episode makes is having strange care less about his career and way more about Christine, making the fixed point in time the death of Christine to make him learn magic. Saying « in our universe he doesn’t care about her so it doesn’t make sense » is completely missing the point of the show. We can point out some inconsistencies, not everything can be justified because it’s other universes, but the point is that a simple change can drastically alter the universe.

[@kingkong9892]

@@gauthierlagrange490 by that logic the Thanos change in the tchalla star lord episode is 100% ok

[@bruced09]

@@kingkong9892 … yes

[@erob9446]

I guess you are right, we never heard or even see a glimpse of Christine anymore

[@TeenoGames]

"Split up? Don't you have horror movies in Wakanda?" "We don't need horror movies. We have American reality shows." [the team splits up and is subsequently killed off like in a horror movie] Okoye I hope you're fucking happy

[@GreaterGrievobeast55]

If she had watched more horror movies, she would’ve prepared some better last words than wakanda forever.

[@harrynoone7013]

Peter:Thanks okoye my only reminder of my past like is gone so that you could make a fucking joke

[@reneerodriguez7368]

@@GreaterGrievobeast55 I was so sad about that. They underutilized Okoye

[@darrengordon-hill]

Black women; am I right?

[@Fist_Of_Khonshu]

3:53 - The writers have clarified that "Absolute Points" are the same thing as Nexus Events from Loki and are therefore unique to their universe of origin.

[@sarafontanini7051]

they're essentially the terminoology used by peeps who don't know about the full scope of the multiverse

[@Joe-Shorts]

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[@Arthas30000]

The one thing everyone agrees on: Dr. Strange was THE best character

[@miltonova9512]

nah, hes amazing, but i think its Ultron

[@mcdondon2571]

@zacl nope

[@zai24]

I mean he did carry the team with his protection spells, even Ultron knows this.

[@gameridiotNOT]

I personally loved Twisted Dr. Strange. Even more so, I'm excited to see what I assume to be him in the new Dr. Strange trailer

[@Vladit0r]

Definitely amazing character from the series but I loved Ultron almost as much but captain Carter more because I love captain America and such as

[@charlieiguess7890]

I always thought that the reason Fury made the Avengers was so that he doesn’t have to call Captain Marvel every five minutes

[@amgoose3493]

This show convinced me that thanos really wasn't that hard to take out Guys please it's a joke

[@roboguy75]

@here we go again will you stop

[@kingcyclops4079]

Without the stones he's kinda just the hulk but kinda stronger.

[@angrymandanthecommenter]

I know it's like, yeah just get vision to slice him, problem solved

[@acemarvel1564]

@@kingcyclops4079 that fight was rigged

[@glendarjj3991]

He went for the head... so it makes sense

[@mysterynerd3591]

Personal headcannon, strange didn't look through every single universe where they could win, he searched through until he got to one where they did and chose that one

[@ginocantatore4494]

that's possible

[@joudkahwaji6369]

That's not a headcanon because it's true. He even said he looked through 14000000 universes

[@garchompinribs]

@@joudkahwaji6369 he just got unlucky a few times

[@somethingsomethingelse7706]

I thought he look at how they could win from that point onwards not just search every universe because alternat reality were captin marvel is on earth isn't useful for finding a solution because shes not on earth

[@vcamv2354]

@@somethingsomethingelse7706 Even at that point, he could've done other stuff, like, teleport Thor to the planet so he can bash Thanos I really don't believe there wasn't a Universe where Strange teleported or Thor byfrosted itself to that planet and help fighting Thanos

[@G.S.I_Labs]

Fun fact, these episodes were supposed to be 50-60 minutes but COVID ruined the time it took to animate them AND we lost an ENTIRE EPISODE to season 2

[@kierantheninja3008]

We lost another episode too. "What if Peter Parker became the sorcerer supreme?" got cancelled

[@AgustinGonzalez-rx7sz]

@@kierantheninja3008 Isn't the reason why Spiderman had Strange's cloak because he got it for some time in the Zombies episode?

[@aspectofthecat1337]

The doctor strange ep was the best, try to convince me otherwise.

[@pixeldot7171]

well its true so i cannot convince you

[@solidhutyr1815]

I believe In subjectivity in Everything i think That ep 4 is the most overrated but thats Just my opinion. and i Respect yours

[@aspectofthecat1337]

@@solidhutyr1815 yes, this is a very subjective thing, and i can see how ep 4 is very overrated. overrated doesn't always mean bad, though.

[@solidhutyr1815]

@@aspectofthecat1337 oh its definitely not bad

[@itzyaboi4297]

@@solidhutyr1815 I think people are giving it a little too much credit, but was definitely the least sucky and actually something I'd watch again.

[@kerahbundy5705]

"All it did was make Red Skull summon a tentacle monster for some reason." Does... Does he not know the Hydra logo is an octopus??

[@valbecerra9744]

also, agents of shield callback when they actually summoned a hydra from a different dimension

[@kerahbundy5705]

@@valbecerra9744 Exactly

[@vilkristproductions6772]

idk why the hydra logo isnt a.....hydra

[@MegaGoaty3895]

Shuma Gorath

[@poopooman-q7r]

@@MegaGoaty3895 gArGaNtOs

[@parodysam]

I think they could’ve talked thanos out of his plan. No one ever pointed out the giant holes in his plan. Maybe T’challa did.

[@danielwood6833]

I really doubt it. He isn’t just doing it for the sake of “saving” the universe, he enjoys challenge and killing. This is evident when Maw says “let him have his fun” when the Hulk fights Thanos, and when Thanos grins as he’s about to stab Thor. He even outright says he’s going to enjoy destroying Earth. He has an overall end goal that seems noble but he still takes pleasure in the horrific means he has chosen to take to get there. He is still the ‘Mad Titan’.

[@troodon1096]

He doesn't seem the kind of person that can just be talked out of it. If he ever could have been, he was long past that before any point any version of Starlord would have met him.

[@AmaraJordanMusic]

I feel like if he was talked out of it, he'd have gone the Ultron route. Killing half each world would only buy time, like, decades, not stop the base problem he said he was trying to solve. So if it's going to go bad regardless, yeah, might as well kill them all so we don't need resources to use. But I do like the idea of him seeing reason. 😅

[@anna-flora999]

@@troodon1096 that's the great thing with what if scenarios. Even if the specific scenario has a likelihood of billions to one, you can use it as a what if. It doesn't matter how unlikely it is

[@unfavred4205]

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[@poe_slaw]

My favorite part was that the serum made Peggy as jacked as Chris Evans. I appreciate this detail for its respect for continuity and absolutely no other reasons.

[@timexyemerald6290]

yes definitely. i hate it when everytime women gets buff. they wouldn't look like women bodybuilder instead looks like a CrossFit teacher. i also hate it when they draw genderbender art about other characters but they would draw them the wrong way for example. they would draw female Saitama with long hair( i mean WTF is this. the whole comedic and funny thing about him is that he became strongest being in the world at the cost of his hair. )

[@apenasmaisumdiogo.7115]

@@timexyemerald6290 I completely agree. I mean, I understand that the origins of the strenght of many super heroes is supernatural, so it wouldn't be unrealistic to draw characters like Wonder Woman - who makes part of a magical race - with less body mass than, let's say, Batman, who is just a human and needs to be muscular in order to keep up. But if it is that so, why is Superman naturally so jacked if his powers come from the Sun? Why is Flash drawn with proeminent muscles if his powers comes from the speedforce? It is clear that there has been a pattern for superheroes when it comes to male and female looks - men are fit, older and muscular, while women are also fit, but thinner, younger and look like supermodels instead of wrestling matchers like male superheroes were originally visually conceived as, even when they are warriors who had been training and practicing exercise for centuries like Wonder Woman. See the difference between Super-Man and Super-Girl for example. Despite both having the exact same power source, one has got much more muscle mass than the other.

[@PrettyPinkPeacock]

Is it for lesbian reasons? You can tell us it's a safe space here

[@jemvee3830]

I want to get my ribs cracked by buff Peggy Carter

[@basedbattledroid3507]

Mm-hm

[@oberbaugesellschaft6389]

The watcher after Strange Supreme destroys his universe: That was his mistake !

[@glendarjj3991]

The watcher in the finale: well I'm gonna bring back this character and this character and so on and so forth

[@TheParanormalist0601]

THAT WAS HIS STEAK!!!

[@sonoio869]

It really was if you think about it... he could have bring her back to life in the present, no time travel bullshit with no consequesnces

[@3bodYking99]

@@sonoio869 I am not sure they can bring people to life with magic

[@oberbaugesellschaft6389]

@@bandito6678 it’s an Community Insider .Watch the Twist Villain Video

[@gameridiotNOT]

I agree with the whole "Ultron killed Thanos too easily" thing. His whole shtick is that he is a nigh-unstoppable force, even without the infinity stones. While Ultron with just one stone being insanely powerful makes sense, but you'd think Thanos would have a better reaction time than he did in the show?

[@zzyxx2112]

It would have been a much better scene if thanos had no stones otherwise it makes no sense

[@HoradeFidges]

@@zzyxx2112 The only purpose of the scene is for Ultron to quickly gather the stones and go on woth the premise. Thanos going without them kinda defeats that purpose

[@jesseallen3910]

At least it's better than thanos being turned into a zombie I mean isn't his skin super tough, like enough to take blows from mjolnir tough

[@gameridiotNOT]

@@jesseallen3910 The zombie one isnt nearly as egregious. He was outnumbered by most of the human population as well as almost every superpowered individual with full use of their powers

[@thetempleton6622]

Honestly they could've just shown the end of the fight, like maybe have Ultron be a bit beat up while looking at Thanos's chopped off hand with the gauntlet Would've been enough for us to know what happened and it would have been so simple to animate

[@motomoto4361]

The way Killmonger says "Wakanda Forever" was the funniest shit to me

[@jjwang7597]

Wakanda, forever!

[@grayski3324]

I didn't care for that episode, we just skipped it.

[@HarryBoSweets]

You like them big and chunky

[@lucabalsasalsa]

wakanda….. for like 5 minutes

[@livispuzzled]

@@grayski3324 same lol

[@willh5901]

I think christines death was an absolute point in his universe, and not the other one, as its the reason why he became dr strange. The absolute point in the other universe would have most likely been the car accident. Whatever led him to nepal, was the absolute point

[@kingcyclops4079]

@here we go again dude no one cares about your weird cult stuff. Touch some grass, Jesus.

[@Ed-zo2gr]

That would be fine if the series wasn't considered canon which it is which is stupid. Timelines within timelines is just unnecessary and confusing.

[@spacejesus6581]

@@Ed-zo2gr interesting, seeing how the multiverse is a staple of Marvel and will direct the MCU (now the MCM) going onward Confusing or not you'll have to live with it, if you're scared of timelines watch Loki, it wraps everything into a neat little bow

[@Ed-zo2gr]

@@spacejesus6581 I dont mind the idea of multiverses but what if cares so little about following mcu rules that it doesn't need to be part of it. Haven't seen enough of Loki but I have an understanding of it's multiverse and I guess it makes sense

[@spacejesus6581]

@@Ed-zo2gr the whole point of the multiverse is to take everything you currently know about the MCU and throw it out the window, literally anything can happen For example the real life theory, what if you or someone you knew decided to sneeze while they were driving rather than hold it in, that instantly split into 2 universes and in one that person may have crashed, altering time significantly for that person Now take that person and imagine they have the power to turn into a giant green monster, or is a super genius, is super in some sort of way, or matters to a super person. It now has serious consequences for the entire universe You should watch The Butterfly Effect movie (2004) to see how one thing changes everything

[@ThomVercetti]

By "Christine's death is an absolute point", it essentially means whatever Strange loves most dying is an absolute point. The What If here, is, well, What if instead of being the jerk he was at the beginning of the movie, he actually cared more about other people than himself.

[@JohnnoNonno]

not exactly, it's an absolute point because it's the reason he becomes Sorcerer Supreme, and he can't really save Christine because otherwise he wouldn't have a reason to acquire the power to save her. It's a paradox.

[@Tenshikichi1]

Some disagreements: Ep 4: in that timeline Strange isn't as egocentric as the main timeline. So Palmer's death is the only reason Strange would learn mystic arts. And he wanted to change the timeline BY magic which he HAS to learn. Ep 5: they choose those characters so the more popular characters can be zombies.

[@apenasmaisumdiogo.7115]

I liked how random the collection of characters in ep five was, it is really fun to see interactions so crazy that we wouldn't see in the big screen, and it made sense.

[@AlexAndriy1995]

Why in ep 4 grown man would try to learn necromancy to resurrected his girlfriend? Strange never believed in magic in the first place. In this time line he would never become sorcerer

[@Tenshikichi1]

@@AlexAndriy1995 and why in main timeline a grown man would use magic to heal his hand? Nonsens

[@AlexAndriy1995]

@@Tenshikichi1 not really he even then didn't believed in magic. But he found a bunch of cases, where people miraculously were cured. It couldn't be done with our medicine. So he found where they got cured. He operated with facts. He assumed that they had some futuristic/ experimental medicine. In film it was pretty reasonably done

[@AlexAndriy1995]

@@Tenshikichi1 seriously rewatch film and compare it to this ep. Quality difference is really noticeable

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Unpopular Opinion: Hulk‘s Death was funny, I mean it looked like someone’s deviant art inflation art

[@glendarjj3991]

Just waiting for this to blow up

[@WaterMeLoan64]

@@glendarjj3991 You beat Mii too it.

[@ShibuNub3305]

That's an unpopular opinion?

[@kingcyclops4079]

Hulks death was horrifying until he exploded into a fart. That just keeply ruined all the tension in the best way possible, shit was hilarious.

[@Quackervoltz]

Wait I wanna see it now

[@Dnny_Phnt0m]

I liked the romance between Peggy and Steve more in her episode. It was so pure. She didn’t like him for being a hunk in the original movie, but it kinda felt like it to me (I could be wrong about the portrayal). So, watching her episode and seeing her and Steve’s cute romance made me so happy. Also the Collector is actually terrifying if you really think about it.

[@thatazazelfire]

They really made Hulk into a Fart Cloud. funniest shit i've ever seen.

[@nicholasdelucena1260]

I think it was a PG-13 nod to what happened to Bruce Banner in "Ruins"

[@firekirby123]

I actually found it hilarious myself, but more because it reminded me of the whole "antman growing in thanos" meme that was circulating between Infinity War and Endgame.

[@lardlover3730]

lol

[@Joe-Shorts]

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[@OddOneOut665]

They shoulda shown the aftermath though....

[@joebobjon1127]

Somehow every opinion I’ve heard about this show not only had a different favorite episode, but everyone else hates the other people’s favorite episodes.

[@a.f9234]

Idk whether that's a good thing but I guess it's normal for anthology series. I even saw someone hating evil Strange episode.

[@zeta2209]

Yea, I was shocked when people ranked Strange Supreme towards the bottom. Then again, I personally rank Party Thor towards the top. I suppose if the point of the series was to throw out random stuff and see what sticks, having differing opinions seems like it’s job well done?

[@giovanyzegarra1452]

This series it’s about what you like the most in stories and everyone is different so it’s ok that people like some episodes more than others

[@jamesthomasrosky6299]

I think episode 3 was one of the best ones, while shcha completely shat on my favorite episode. While his favorite episode is almost close to my least favorite. My god this show is actually really divisive.

[@joebobjon1127]

@@giovanyzegarra1452 I’m not saying people can’t have different opinions, nor am I condemning anyone for having a “bad” opinion. But for most works of fiction everyone has their favorite part of it. While not everyone thinks that that specific part of the story is their favorite too, it’s usually well regarded by a lot of people nonetheless. What If instead manages to create very different opinions from person to person, which I find interesting.

[@99toyotacorolla]

I'm honestly all for twists. I don't care if it's a twist I called or not. As long as it's well done I like it. Hank being the culprit in the 3rd episode is definitely something I would have missed, had I been a little bit more inattentive but the way they set it up and revealed is pretty neat. I dunno what it is with Schaff that makes him hate twists that he didn't call. Not all plot twists should be predicted to be good, nor should be unpredictable to be bad. It always depends on how you have done it.

[@mredbadger]

At this point he’s known as “the guy who hates twist villains” lmao. Anyone who knows anything about Hank Pym outside of the MCU could’ve guessed it

[@autobotkirby1up]

@@mredbadger if anything what they likely could’ve done is somewhat subtly hint at it being yellow jacket by either using very faint noises when hank does something or make sure to leave an ant/yellow jacket in blink and you’ll miss it areas before and after the kills are done

[@reneerodriguez7368]

The low camera angles and worm's eye view of the attack near the computer desk scene tipped me off to it being Hank Pym. I guessed his daughter's death would be his motive for revenge. I was surprised when it was revealed to be exactly that!! I was still able to enjoy that episode, even though I predicted it. That's one of my favorite episodes of What If, actually.

[@SuperDababy2]

@@reneerodriguez7368 funny part was I thought it was either Hank or Ghost (that lady from Antman and the Wasp that went invis)

[@Gxmwp]

The twist was even hinted at in your face when Natasha's pulling up files and then says "how did a dead woman access SHIELD archives" after one of the files shows a woman with deseased over her profile. I couldn't figure out who it was because I never bothered to memorize the names in Ant-Man, but that's my fault rather than the twist being out of nowhere.

[@alexanderbaldwin1298]

"He's normal Doctor Strange again" *picks scene Strange rambles in the possibly the most depressing monologue in the MCU, showing how the experience has scarred him for life* ...really, Schaff? You could've picked a scene that didn't directly oppose what you were saying, at least.

[@OhFicial67]

Honestly it’s almost like he didn’t listen to the episodes and that’s the reason why he doesn’t like it or understand it. “Why did Captain Marvel have to deal with Party Thor?” His partying was gonna destroy the planet. “Why isn’t the absolute point not the same for Dr Strange in the MCU?” Cause it’s from a different universe. Like bruh I hate it when he doesn’t listen to the story sometimes.

[@hierrikmedan6934]

I swear he watches these with his fucking brain turned off half the time just so he could say Schaff the all-knowing, couldnt understand it

[@galacticsector3195]

Think he needs to take a break from marvel related content for a bit

[@Joe-Shorts]

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[@CouchSpud91]

Yeah, many of his gripes with this series seems to be him not really paying attention, which is pretty absurd considering how in-depth he's willing to go to analyze other shows and movies.

[@Cdr2002]

Party Thor existed because they did three dark episodes in a row and wanted to calm the show down a bit before hurtling into Infinity Ultron, which is fair. It’s fun if not extremely interesting

[@troodon1096]

It's an OK comic relief episode.

[@serenarussell6031]

Personally I think the “absolute point” had to do with the true difference between that universe and the main one: in our universe, Strange loved his work more than Christine, and in the what if timeline, he loved Christine more than his work. He had to lose what he loved most, and ironically it’s loving Christine less the first time around that leads to the better outcome.

[@kingcavel281]

I'm starting to feel like Schaff just doesn't like twists when he doesn't predict them. I really loved the Hank Pym twist and I thought it was foreshadowed very well. In fact I even predicted it.

[@IcyDiamond]

I thought it was gonna be Loki, I’m glad they didn’t go with that, it would’ve been way to obvious

[@narufan987]

When Tony died I thought it was either Ghost or Ant-Man/Wasp (probably Hank since the rest wouldn't go that far), then it was super SUPER obvious when Black Widow died

[@auntienyannyan]

i didn’t prefer the twist because it wasn’t the most interesting route it could have taken or doesn’t do much more than “comedic relief turned evil”. ie it feels more like “let’s do a reverse moral alignment twist” and less “let’s manipulate alternative timelines in a fresh way” like in episode 4.

[@spaghettibolognese5838]

i predicted it as well, schaff just kind of likes to know what he's walking into, if not then "movie bad" just look at his other reviews lmfao

[@azurekidd3962]

@@spaghettibolognese5838 yeah I’ve noticed this with stuff that I’d say was pretty good like with his opinion about Darcy in WandaVision especially

[@yarro7428]

the reason Strange's love dying was an absolute point was because this was the world where that was a key difference

[@xero4526]

I haven’t seen anyone else comment this, but I’m just going to for anyone who doesn’t know. The “squid monster” who appears in episodes 1, 4, and 8, is presumably a character from the comics named Shuma-Gorath, a god who is a reoccurring antagonist for Dr. Strange and who is most likely going to be the main antagonist in Doctor Strange 2.

[@firekirby123]

That name being so close to Shub-Niggurath can NOT be a coincidence, and now I'm picturing other Lovecraftian horrors in the MCU. Didn't know this was something I needed, but now it definitely is~

[@megablueflash1816]

@@firekirby123 Oh don't worry. Pretty sure Shuma being compared to a Lovecraftian horror is entirely intentional.

[@reneerodriguez7368]

I thought it was evil Dr. Strange's tentacles at first. Perhaps it was implied that he absorbed Shuma-Gorath, and that's why he has those tentacles in the first place (sorry if this is obvious; it's been a while since I seen it.) Captain Carter also shoots Dr. Strange a weird look when they all unite together to stop Ultron. Maybe she was fighting him and not Shuma-Gorath in the first episode?

[@troodon1096]

Spoilers: no it wasn't.

[@panduino2156]

Yeah uh, no

[@tyrannapusandfriends6254]

The Christine death wasn’t a contradiction, that being the absolute point is just one of the differences of that world

[@shaggythesilent3726]

More or less this. The way I understand it, he was actually hopping between universes that separated at that exact moment. So he could only visit the universes where she died because he wouldn’t have gone back in that universe. So he never saw the prime timeline.

[@kcr2002]

It's an absolute point in that timeline because it's what caused Strange to go and learn magic. If Strange went back and fixed it, he wouldn't have had the magic to do so, making a paradox. In the main MCU, it's his hands, so if he tried to do that in the main MCU the ancient one would say his hands are the fixed point.

[@radstaz2029]

It’s in that title: what if doctor strange lost his heart instead of his hand? Stephen has to lose something to become doctor strange, in the mainline mcu this is his hands, in what if’s timeline it’s Christine

[@Raphael_27]

That universe*

[@seriousnesstv7902]

But if he could go back in time, why can’t he go back in time and teach himself the mystic arts so things work

[@mollyjoy2277]

i felt oddly confused throughout the zombie episode, i just kept wondering "am i supposed to think this is funny or not?" the characters were making light of the situation a ton, like they didn't seem all that bothered seeing their closest friends as gruesome monsters. i loved peter and hope's dynamic in it a lot though

[@alpacawithouthat987]

I mean that’s a pretty common thing in Marvel. They make too many jokes when it doesn’t fit with the tone of the scene

[@mollyjoy2277]

@@alpacawithouthat987 yeah I guess so, in my opinion marvel’s always been good with knowing when to be serious when it’s appropriate, so it felt a bit messy in the zombie episode

[@papetogaming]

@@mollyjoy2277 they ruined marvel zombies. They made the zombies dumb and uninteresting and way too comedic. Idk why they cant just adapt the original marvel zombies, seeing Hank Pym chewing and spitting Janet's head off and eating black panther's leg by drugging him on a table or when zombie tony suggested that he should create a breeding program for humans so they can eat them

[@Joe-Shorts]

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[@JustSomeMexicanwithaMustache]

After reading an interview about the Zombie episode, they were going for a dark comedy when writing for the episode. They orignaly wanted to make it serious with more gruesome deaths, but thought it was too dark for the show. I think they should of gone full horror for the episode, because it felt very out of character for them to be making jokes about killing their friends in a Zombie Apocalypse.

[@valordelink]

It's weird, lately I've benn feeling that Schaff is more negative suddenly, if I feel that he is more mean than Marcus (cosmonaut variaty hour), then it's kinda weird

[@JohnnoNonno]

a couple comments above yours a guy prefectly summed it up, he is still good at saying why something works, but when he doesn't like something sometimes he lazily says "it doesnt work i win you lose bye bye"

[@cloudshines812]

@@JohnnoNonno *Whispers* See you later

[@koda4675]

@@cloudshines812 I’m pretty sure somebody once told me that

[@someone0]

​@@koda4675 "The world was gonna roll me"

[@henriquebastosbernardoni3630]

All episodes* could really have benefitted from having a longer runtime. I felt like I was watching some of these in fast-forward mode for how ridiculously fast-paced they were, and a tad bit more of setup wouldn't hurt anybody. *Episode 4 actually does very well use of its runtime, and I don't think it should've been longer. A longer episode 1 probably would make it even more like the Captain America movie, and make the episode worse. Episode 8 could be longer, but I'm fine as well the way it already is.

[@dippy_1999]

@Henrique Bastos Bernardoni I didn’t know it was possible for Episode 1 to be worse than it already is.

[@henriquebastosbernardoni3630]

@@dippy_1999 I'm on the train that episode 1 was borderline fine, but only because I like Peggy, and there can't be too much of her. Only that there can be too much, if they end up doing the Captain America movie all over again.

[@samkathryn4825]

See, I actually think that episode 1 could have been longer IF it was extended AFTER she goes through the portal. Then they would’ve been more free to (if they wanted to, and I hope they would have) switch things up and show how Peggy being there contradicts with Steve. Maybe she gets along with Tony better (because she was closer to Howard and not as goody-goody as Steve).

[@reneerodriguez7368]

@@henriquebastosbernardoni3630 why can't there be too much of Peggy though? What is it about Peggy that makes her so problematic for alot of people? I just want to genuinely understand. Episode 1 was great. Brad Bird-esque character models, fun action, Steve as Iron Man was cool, super jacked Captain Carter. I don't get what the issues are.

[@thiagoteixeira6537]

Thor's party was actually destroying properties and landmarks all over the Earth, remember? So it kinda was an avengers level threat with how reckless Thor was in this episode lol!

[@drnanard9605]

Also, she was deliberately called by Hill. Before Infinity War, she was never called.

[@thiagoteixeira6537]

@@drnanard9605 True! I had forgotten about that!

[@acat6145]

Yeah they literally destroyed another planet with their antics

[@thiagoteixeira6537]

@@acat6145 Good point! That just further proves my point!

[@HumanB312]

@@acat6145 No one died though

[@dragonicdoom3772]

Best episodes for me were Dr Strange's and Ultron Part 1. Seeing Dr Strange go all out and use his magic without any kind of restraint while seeing him falling deeper and deeper into his despair was so interesting. Ultron's was like watching a Dragon Ball fight but with MCU characters, seeing him eat galaxies, break through the barrier of his universe and pound the Watcher into the ground while reality shatters with every punch was incredible to see. It also has the glorious shot of Clint sacrificing himself and taking on the horde of Ultron drones head on. Also while I totally get why you don't like it, Scott Lang as a disembodied head with Dr Strange's cape cracking dad jokes was hilarious to me.

[@InfernoYeet]

Finally, a review where I don't know straight away that James is gonna be pissed!

[@glendarjj3991]

He still is... kinda. He's mixed on it

[@stephenkrahling1634]

@@glendarjj3991 yeah this whole review was kinda predictable... he should just stop watching marvel at this point because he gets more and more negative with every review

[@glendarjj3991]

@@stephenkrahling1634 yeah if you rewatch his "we take marvel for granted" video it's sad how much his opinion has changed

[@a.f9234]

@@glendarjj3991 I mean he got defensive at that time but some people felt the same way he is feeling right now. At least maybe he can understand those better. Some people gave up on MCU when phase 2 arrived and moved on.

[@RJ-mi3ck]

@@stephenkrahling1634 I love Schaff, but man, his recent MCU reviews have just been so obnoxiously negative. I mean, it’s perfectly fine if he’s just not enjoying the MCU as much as he used to, but the way he’s been reviewing these shows recently have been surface-level and predictable, pretty much every MCU review he’s made over the past few months has felt almost exactly the same. IMO he should honestly just take a break from watching the MCU for a while because at this point his reviews are becoming just as stale as the MCU products that he’s been criticizing.

[@kingcyclops4079]

"You know how many times Tony stark has died?" That was both depressing and hilarious

[@grantchandler13]

"I call it Deprarious" ~Mr. Popo

[@samuelrosenberg5088]

One thing to keep in mind is that these episodes technically take place in different universes, so their logic/lore might differ greatly from the main MCU, allowing for plot lines that might not make sense otherwise. Just my two cents.

[@ginocantatore4494]

It's still the timeline multiverse not the other one.

[@samuelrosenberg5088]

@@ginocantatore4494 I know it's still in the MCU, I mean it's not part of the same dimension/universe as the main universe in the MCU.

[@nicholashurrell3257]

The difference is that Hill was far more willing to bring in the nuke, whereas it’s been made pretty clear that Fury is for coercion and stealth, only using the bomb when absolutely necessary

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

I don't care what everyone said but Good Guy Thanos is the closest he ever get to join the Avengers team.

[@MrWhatdafuBOOM]

The closest *he ever gets to joining the Avengers.

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

@@MrWhatdafuBOOM Thanks for correcting me with that one.

[@proctifer9833]

Yeah... No. There are way better ways to have him join the Avengers: "What If Scarlet Witch Turned Evil?" After Infinity War, Wanda goes mad with grief and begins killing people in anger. Thanos, along with the Avengers, must team up to defeat the Scarlet Witch. I'd say that Wanda is strong enough to defeat them all, so I can see an unhappy ending to this episode.

[@GasolineLicker]

3:58 Let me explain. Alright, Stephen is required to lose the thing he loves most to become Doctor Strange. In this universe, it’s Christine. In the MCU, it’s his hands.

[@grandadmiralthrawn8116]

The difference between our dr strange and evil dr stranges universe was his relationship with Christine. In the mainline mcu strange put his work before his girlfriend? Wife? And strained their relationship but in evil strange's universe he clearly cared much more for the girl. Long story short the reason why the absolute point in time is different for each universe is because they had completely different reasons for becoming dr strange. Our strange could eventually fix his hands through magical means but evil strange never could get Christine back without time manipulation

[@GrandMasterBruh]

Could he, his hands still shakes in endgame?

[@acat6145]

I don’t think Strange could ever get back what he lost because those were the first steps in his journey to becoming Sorcerer Supreme such as his Christine or his hands now I don’t know why he can’t currently fix his hands or he did ( I did not watch the movie) but I think it is meant to be more symbolic

[@milkmonstrosity]

Is it just me, or would anyone else have been perfectly fine if they didn't have overarching stories and did just handle it as an anthology series? I actually didn't hate the episode about Thor being an only child personally. I was with my friend watching the whole series in one go, and I liked that it didn't have the same major consequences and character deaths of the other ones, it was a change of pace. I will agree that Ultron did feel too weak in the final episode, although suggesting he would lose to an ancient Soviet AI already made him seem a bit too vulnerable. Personally I would say my least favorite episode was the one where bumblefuck manages to assassinate literally every Avenger except for Cpt. America. The mystery was solved in the most sudden way possible, and I don't even have to say what you all think about that one scene. At least the series wasn't entirely just grimdark AU like that Injustice shit and had some really fun moments.

[@tanner201x8]

What’s wrong with gridmark AU

[@milkmonstrosity]

@@tanner201x8 The fact that it's so overdone and typically lacks any actual depth. Character interactions and worldbuilding are usually thrown out the window for the sole purpose of creating shocking scenes of violence and betrayal.

[@justyouraveragecorgi]

I actually really liked episode 9, but if they do it again I'm gonna be annoyed. Keep it anthology after this, please.

[@AlsoKnownAsTheOracle]

I just liked that Loki finally got to be happy and healthy

[@thatonetomatoguy4210]

Ok but I'm just really glad we got the Hank Pym yellow jacket in the style of the MCU.

[@elk1827]

6:41 Hearing that he likes anime is like hearing that Ferris Bueller’s Day Off is Peter Parker’s favorite movie. Like yeah, there were never any hints that it was this way, but like, it also makes 100% perfect sense

[@bansigogineni794]

I think the absolute point in the doctor strange episode wasn’t losing his gf, but losing the thing he loved the most. In the main timeline the thing strange loved the most was his hands, but in the what if….? timeline it was his gf.

[@evanlight2550]

And the episode is titled “What if he lost his heart?” His hands was a physical loss he could get back (with magic) but with Christine it was both a physical loss and an emotional loss that he couldn’t just reverse with magic or even with time, so when he tried his whole universe payed the price along with Christine. Even Watcher even said at the beginning, not all choices are good ones

[@wait....whatsmynameagain1099]

Absolute points differ from universe to universe.

[@AxioChrono]

So if main MCU timeline Strange tried to reverse losing his hands, that'd be an Absolute Point?

[@wait....whatsmynameagain1099]

@@AxioChrono yea. It is an absolute point in time. Otherwise Strange wouldn't go to Kamrataj and become the sorcerer supreme

[@Joe-Shorts]

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[@rhumrunners7]

Episode four is honestly a 10/10 for me. That episode is the best marvel content in over a year.

[@Antwannnn]

I like how everyone has a different opinion on the best and worst episodes

[@superawesome5780]

Not exactly. Most people agree that the Ultron and Dr Strange episodes were the best ones. But when it comes to the worst then yeah it is heavily debatable.

[@vulcanhumor]

For real. I actually loved the Captain Carter and zombie episodes. The Thor one sucked.

[@MayorDoWell]

@@vulcanhumor I hate zombie and Thor part

[@RudoMike21]

I liked the Zombies episode...........and then I read the comics and the show's zombies and comic zombies are two separate things that just so happen to have the same name and not a "What if?" concept.

[@john98765333]

I liked party Thor. It was basically how Thor won the universe by partying.

[@rubub8455]

its honestly my second-favorite episode

[@mrnobody6058]

@@rubub8455 Same mine was “what if Ultron won” and then the Thor one

[@Lucky_14j2ku6]

@@rubub8455 same

[@traffy1874]

imo funniest episode

[@theintrovertedarcanist984]

“What if Thor” “I’m listening” “Was a bard”

[@probablyseth3565]

The absolute point in time is only an absolute point in time for that timeline, the main timeline would have a different one. Not a contradiction. Otherwise I agree with it all.

[@silverag5761]

Yeah I realised this AFTER episode 9. I thought Tony's death was another absolute point, until now we know he survives in the sakkar timeline. But absolute points explain why Strange can't reverse it in endgame.

[@alessio5364]

I don't really agree with this whole review. I feel like the reasons he gave to not like it aren't really that strong and he has a few points where his arguments aren't really right like the absolute point one that people have brought up. In the end, reviews and film are always subjective but I think he was a bit too harsh on this one and wanted to pick at things that he thought didn't make sense, but in reality did make sense which I guess messed with his enjoyment

[@cristhianmlr]

Fun fact: there are no "chef's kiss". That gesture represents the chef sucking her/his fingers, so it would be "chef's suck".

[@letwat8377]

Kinky

[@lividlife213]

Sucking for more because there ain't anything else there!

[@thehalfnegativeoptimist4578]

I did actually like a lot more in episode three then was mentioned, seeing Nick fury have to struggle with his plan for the ventures initiative falling apart was really interesting, seeing his interactions with Natasha and Hawkeye as they were framed for murder were great, and by far my FAVORITE part of the episode was Yellowjacket. It was so nice seeing Hank Pym take up the mantle of Yellowjacket like he did in the comics and seeing his interactions with “Nick Fury” was great. Though it does kinda suck that we couldn’t see his decent into madness and serial murder like we did with Dr. Strange’s decent into madness. I think there’s I want to potential for an interesting story with Pym-jacket and I hope they expand on it in the next season.

[@apenasmaisumdiogo.7115]

Yes, Yellowjacket Hank Pym was one of my favorite "original" characters of the series

[@aarondavidson907]

4:00 It was explained that Christine’s death is only an absolute point in THIS universe specifically. In the main universe we know, her death wasn’t an absolute point.

[@garchompinribs]

The absolute point is him losing what he likes most to become the sorcerer supreme. (Whether it’s his hands/job or Christine)

[@madladdie7069]

I've basically headcanoned that Absolute Point are just points that if changed, would not lead to you going back in time.

[@ansiedadeterna]

As for Thanos being in Wakanda at the end of episode 5, it makes sense if you take the hunger virus into account and the fact that Okoye (I believe it was Okoye, but it could've been T'challa) mentions that Wakanda is the only safe place on Earth. The zombies go to great lengths to feed from people, and zombie Thanos with five infinity stones would most likely feast on the still-human population of Wakanda. Thank you for coming to my TEDtalk.

[@beccag2758]

I overall really enjoyed the series, it had its highs and lows, but the highs were amazing (like all of Strange’s episode l) and the lows still had enjoyable parts (like Frost Giant Loki in Thor’s episode). Also, almost all the fight scenes were just amazing Best voice actors in my opinion were Michael B Jordan, Chadwick Boseman, and Benadryl Cabbagepatch

[@besthokage7822]

Crazy that What If season 1 was the only watchable season

[@WaterMeLoan64]

Unpopular Opinion: Episode 6 was the Weakest Episode. Not necessarily a Bad Story, it just got predictable about halfway through. Schaffrilas makes a lot a good points that I agree with.

[@brianoliveira42]

I felt like there wasn’t really tension because we knew Killmongor was manipulating everyone and it was just kind of watching him do it

[@WaterMeLoan64]

@@brianoliveira42 I wish Tony Stark was the Villain. If he never became Iron Man, he’d make a good Villain.

[@jesusangulo2119]

I think that it has one giagantic flaw, like James said, that it doesnt have a resolution. I was really loving that episode until it ends with pretty much no ending to that story.

[@Pokemonleafmon]

Predictable doesn't mean bad. There's a reason people talk about the journey being more important than the destination

[@pizza-time71]

This 100% this

[@Hamantha]

I think the reason why Thanos changed quickly is that T’chala talked to him very early in his conquest

[@An_Entire_Lime]

I think the reason why Thanos changed so quickly is because it would be absolutely hilarious to see him change so quickly, so the writers did that

[@robonator2945]

I don't really think its meant to make sense, T''chala is literally just supposed to be perfect and have done everything perfectly even if it makes no sense; thats the point of the story, I mean I guess it could make some semblance of sense if you looked into it enough, but its kind of by its very nature not supposed to.

[@zeeb2190]

@@An_Entire_Lime agreed

[@amarikristopher8409]

Killmonger liking anime makes more sense considering Michael B Jordan loves the anime Dragonball Z and his outfit is 100% inspired by Vegeta.

[@shotpack8374]

That was probably his request

[@mattmanxd4190]

I just feel like they should have either made the episodes longer, or given the episodes second parts. So many of them were just plagued by abruptly ending. Multiple times I was going “wha! What, did that just end? How? The episode wasn’t even finished”. The zombies story they literally decided to not finish, the killmonger story they cut short. The What If concept is so strong, yet the writing was all over the place. The Doctor Strange episode and the Captain Carter episode feel like two completely different shows.

[@IcyDiamond]

Yeah I felt the same way, every episode left me wanting more

[@apenasmaisumdiogo.7115]

Yes, I think the only episodes to really have a conclusion were the Doctor Strange and Party Thor ones (and captain carter in a way), as they were completely original stories. Even if we received some resolution at the finale (Ego is defeated, at least temporarily, Loki is defeated, Killmonger disappears), the zombies timeline still just got a cameo.

[@parklez3250]

Covid

[@justyouraveragecorgi]

I think that's this thing about this show - it gives them the opportunity to throw shit at a wall and see what sticks. So the episodes are all extremely different from each other.

[@shinysilverstardust]

I IMMENSELY hope that Hawkeye is going to be good. also because of his show airing next, I hope to see the scenario of :"what if Haweye died on Vormir" play out in season 2.

[@Savataric]

it looks like just a fun show to watch

[@mettxl6608]

I’m really loving the marvel shows tbh, I rllly loved wandavision, and Loki, tfatws was ok imo, and before anyone attacks me and calls me racist, It isn’t that at all. I was kinda upset that they changed sam’s superhero persona to an already used persona like cap. I wish that they could’ve just kept him as the falcon and fill his own shoes, not step into another, I understand thsi happens in the comics, I just wish they couldve changed it a bit. o well

[@Savataric]

@@mettxl6608 Sam stepping up to the cap mantle was great and shows why cap chose him

[@last-genrichtofen9360]

@@Savataric Bucky was a much better choice.

[@Savataric]

@@last-genrichtofen9360 no

[@atticusbulan3508]

Even though some characters have different characterizations (like Thanos being talked out of genocide, or being lazered in two) and there are some plot holes (when looking at events in the movies), I believe it’s kinda excused because of the fact that it’s a multiverse. Not completely, but kinda. It’s hard to explain, but I’ll use the Ultron one as an example. In order for Ultron to take over the Universe, there needs to be more than one difference; First, the avengers have to fail to stop Ultron from getting his new body and wiping out the world; Then Thanos has to do things differently AND be overly-confident. If (vision)Ultron went up against Infinity War Thanos, Thanos would win. But that wasn’t Infinity War Thanos. That was a Thanos who did things differently and was overly confident. From what I remember, it was only in Captain Carter that Watcher said that one difference created the story we saw. In order for Ultron to take over the universe, Thanos NEEDS to be in at least a different state of mind in order for Ultron to stand a chance. So, they writers took the fastest (and in my opinion, the funniest) option and made his so confident that he wasn’t at all prepared

[@vortechx7176]

also the infinity stones don't work outside of their own universe as shown in the comics and as shown in loki. therefore ultron shouldn't have been able to leave his universe

[@atticusbulan3508]

@@vortechx7176 I think a writer explained it as him using the infinity stones more like a battery which I think make’s it a little bit less BS, but I still agree with you

[@vortechx7176]

@@atticusbulan3508 thank ya

[@gasparperalta3725]

I really liked the Watcher's characterization. I feel like he is a great power and despite his near omnipotence he is a very relatable character, I also really like how he progressively showed up more often in each episode and in more tangible ways and how he genuinely loves and adores all these stories, all these world how they mean everything to him. Also side note: I really loved metroid's dread story hope youa re doing too as well

[@firekirby123]

The part in episode 8 where Hawkeye is looking through the files and The Watcher basically turns into someone yelling at their favorite character in a show had me in stiches. The amount of dramatic irony The Watcher must have to endure due to his omnipotence is absolutely hysterical to think about, especially if he really does get _that_ invested in all the other universes as well.

[@reneerodriguez7368]

@@firekirby123 i loved that too, hehe

[@RealPantsMan]

T’Challa really said to Thanos “Lol just don’t be evil” and Thanos said “ok”

[@motomoto4361]

I hate that Cha cha episode

[@kingkong9892]

Actually it was several talks. They never say that's how the conversations went.

[@RealPantsMan]

@@kingkong9892 I know but just knowing that is how he stopped is the funny part

[@kingkong9892]

@@RealPantsMan yeah well I mean I think thats what the MCU is doing. Even loki made fun of the infinity stones. They're trying to show Thanos wasn't that big of a threat.

[@flippy3930]

@@kingkong9892 No they aren't, would everyone stop saying that PLEASE!

[@lordrex2522]

God this guy is just like Cinemasins. When I started watching him he was just fun to watch and just relax even if he shit on stuff that I liked, he had valid criticisms and it wasn’t just about “oh it’s good so it’s bad or it’s bad so it’s good because I am going against what everybody else thinks” it was just fun to watch him but his more recent stuff is really off, it’s either a decent review or every single thing if he can’t predict it or if it’s slightly against his opinion it’s just horrible and I get it he has opinions but sometimes he just clocks it up too much and it’s just not fun to watch him anymore.

[@galadrielpokracki8153]

I've been noticing that too, it's kind of bumming me out :(

[@traffy1874]

i have to agree on this one. we might be called some MCU fangirls/boys for saying this, but i noticed this in previous vids too. shame, tho for now he is still my top 5 youtubers

[@99toyotacorolla]

This dude goated with his Shrek 4, Shrek 2 and Megamind reviews. Now he's being a little eh

[@akorn9943]

Honestly I’ve kind of always felt like he’s always been really good at describing why a movie works, but whenever he’s critiquing a movie instead he really just gets way too pissed off at the movie to really rationalize anything he says. I don’t think anything illustrates this further than his early Last Jedi reviews just being 5 minute spurts sprinkled throughout his videos about how much he hated it, then a year later, a 45 minute in depth review on why it was actually okay, and then when the rise of skywalker came out it was just >”This movie just felt like a bunch of toys smashing together” >Lists random things that happened in the movie >Refuses to elaborate further >leaves Sigma grindset. Still appreciate his content tho and it’s his channel not ours, but could be better, that’s all

[@screm1471]

@@KingArthur39 what if was kinda just dumb fun to me, it had really good episodes (the dr strange one) and aggressively average episodes (most others). it wasn’t horrendous, but it’s not gonna be put up on a pedestal anytime soon. shame, it’s an incredible concept but disney neutered it.

[@RagnarTheGrey]

A shame about the Zombies episode. The zombies spinoff comics were excellent, especially because Ash Williams has a crossover run.

[@seancriswell4505]

Mark Millar said that Marvel was considering a live action Marvel Zombies series. Hopefully that would be more faithful to the comics (though I'm not holding my breath on it).

[@seancriswell4505]

As an addendum, I can only guess that *maybe* they're waiting to officially introduce MCU Fantastic Four to start a more accurate Marvel Zombies series. Either way, the What If... version was really underwhelming, and Paul Rudd's Scott Lang head is no Headpool.

[@14mespider9]

The zombies episode is one of my favorites. Hopefully they'll bring it back in season 2.

[@diamond_dude1063]

only the 1st two mini series tho.

[@hybridhd7436]

Once the Fantastic Four arrive to the MCU, What If? can truly hit its stride imo.

[@TheKersey475]

8:50 The showrunner said that particular Thanos was much more full of himself than the main timeline one, thus Ultron-Vision basically managed to get a lucky critical hit in while Thanos had his guard down (remember, this is a multiverse where anything is possible).

[@madladdie7069]

Kind of defeats the whole purpose of What If series only introducing one change.

[@kaleb749]

The Dr Strange short is one of the best stories I’ve seen. It’s genuinely really good, and perfect for a short medium

[@CreatureCal]

Doctor Strange: (destroys the universe trying to save his girlfriend) Watcher: *“That was his mistake!”*

[@IcyDiamond]

You know they can technically do a Big Hero 6 What If? episode because it is Marvel

[@zeeb2190]

*Steak

[@run4508]

Marvel writers do such a fantastic job world building when given the time , they really struggle with stand alones and time constraints

[@Inactive18302]

This show literally only exists just so Captain Britain can have a cameo in Multiverse of Madness and get chopped in half like it was nothing.

[@beanman3113]

One slight correction: Christine's death being an absolute point only applies to the timeline in the episode, not the main MCU one. Other than that, great review!

[@ArtTheGaleWind]

Correction on the absolute point in time: the main MCU and this universe are different, in this universe, the absolute point in time is strange losing the love of his life, these are different universe with different absolute points in time

[@exactlybasically8603]

The thing with Vision kidnapping T’Chala to feed scarlet witch is a nice nod to the original Zombies comic, in that story Giant Man does the same thing for himself as the zombies are basically the same people they were when they were alive other than when they’re hungry. At one point after killing and eating Magneto Bruce remarks that he’s not even digesting the stuff they’re eating, and that eventually he’s going to explode when turning back into bruce from the Hulk. Peter bounces back and forth from tearing flesh off of people to curling up and sobbing about how he killed and ate Aunt May and Mary Jane. Very gory, interesting stuff.

[@zombied3stroy3r9gaming4]

Right? Like, it was an interesting reference to the original stuff from Kirkman's work. And the opening is also a reference to Zombieland, I believe. For the voice actor for Peter, it's the same guy from the PS4 games, if I remember correctly. Not to mention, the first time Uncle Ben is directly referenced in recent Marvel shows/movies

[@juanpablorodriguezjuarez8144]

I don’t think episode 5’s cliffhanger will remain unresolved like you assumed, it was already confirmed that Captain Carter would make a comeback in season 2, so the zombie universe might be explored again too Also, I think episode 7’s plot being full of tropes was the joke and the whole point, but I agree in that they could have still made more of it

[@Fi_Sci_]

The episode focused on alternate universe Strange trying to save his loved one that was destined to die was an incredible episode. Best one of the series in my opinion. Weakest episode for me has to be captain Carter, it is essentially just The First avenger all over again, but instead of Steve it’s Peggy. Not that it was terrible mind you, just didn’t have the strongest writing.

[@nikotsapaliaris4919]

My thoughts exactly, especially since they had to summarise a two hour movie into thirty minutes, which lead to some really poor pacing

[@DzakyAmany]

I partly agree here, it might be boring but if anything i guess it served as a mild introduction to the series overall; not changing anything too dramatically and basically just warming us up, but yeah that's it lol

[@alexsiemers7898]

@@DzakyAmany took the words right out of my mouth. Especially since T’challa star lord and Dr Strange’s episodes saw much more dramatic changes to the timeline, it was a good warm-up

[@enderlord6329]

I think it was kinda cool. Like, every episode seems to be a different thing, to have a different objective, you know? I think it's cool to have one episode which is just the same story with one or two things tweaked, it seems like it fits this formula, if it's not overdone, of course

[@theimperviousfirecracker7934]

I feel like they could still continue the story for Killmonger in Season 2. Think about it, the multiverse is a menagerie of literally infinite universes, each one just a tiny bit different from the rest. Which means there are hundreds, if not an infinity more universes where the events of that episode still took place. They could just say the watcher is looking at the events from a version of that universe, where he didn't pick up Killmonger for his little superhero team.

[@archoolio76]

My top 3 where “Fury’s week, Ultron won, and the Killmonger” episode.

[@GeekZone210]

My fav ones (That I would love to as canon alternatives) are the Thor one, T'Challa/Starlord one, and the Peggy one

[@agent_w.]

“I used to love the MCU wholeheartedly and now I feel nothing for it” That pretty much describes how I feel as well. I ended skipping this series.

[@madamemystica]

same... didnt really watched the other films after endgame since it wasn't as interesting as the others

[@kingcyclops4079]

@fax Stop spamming your fucking link bro no one's gonna watch it.

[@RealityCipher]

@@madamemystica ok BUT go watch Shang-Chi its such a great Mcu movie

[@boydixonentertainment]

I myself ended up really loving this show. But What If could just be completely separate from the MCU with it’s own unique stories. There are a couple Disney+ shows that had me engaged. And a number of upcoming projects I am thinking of seeing. But I never even bothered keeping up with the MCU before Endgame and I’m probably gonna distance myself from it more and more as it goes on.

[@kingcyclops4079]

At this point it's getting stale they need to try something new. As much as I enjoy some of the recent stuff I think the MCU needs something deeper instead of "fun action movies" when Scorsese said "marvel movies aren't cinema" I agree, but they are still fun. But at this point I think they really need to get innovative.

[@sniclops15]

Christine's death was an absolute point in that specific timeline, hence the name of the episode: What if Dr. Strange lost his heart (AKA his love) INSTEAD of his hands? Dr. Strange in our timeline heavily damaging his hands is an absolute point in OUR timeline, just like how Supreme Strange losing Christine is an absolute point in HIS timeline. Hope that clears things up

[@GalaxyGod332]

My favorite moment in What If…Zombies was the mention of Uncle Ben as well as the interaction with Wasp and Spider-Man we’re pretty good too. What Aunt May told Peter was just, wow.

[@OllieSMH]

Schaffrillas just so you know Shang Chi was actually really fun and the music SLAPS it does get a little “marvel Ouu big CGI fight scene” at the end but the first 2/3rds is the most fun I’ve had watching a marvel movie in a long time. Definitely worth watching I think you’ll be very pleasantly surprised :)

[@Savataric]

tbh i enjoyed the 3rd act it had great moments and the final fight between shang-chi and wenwu is amazing

[@OllieSMH]

@@Savataric agreed, I just feel like compared to the rest of the movie it’s pretty different. I really liked it but my brothers had problems with the end

[@Savataric]

@@OllieSMH I can see some problems people have but they always say it’s a cgi mess at the end when most of it is with Shang chi and wenwu against each other with emotional moments and imo wenwu death was great and gave Shang chi the boost to defeat the monster

[@dippy_1999]

@OllieSMH I couldn’t disagree with your claim more. There’s much better things for people to be spending their money on (Venom 2, Ghostbusters: Afterlife, No Way Home).

[@Savataric]

@@dippy_1999 have u even seen it bro

[@milan_gielis]

13:51 "what if... Tamatoa got a hold of the time stone?"

[@pizzahutkidman8806]

I feel like you're being a little harsh about the Murder Mystery one. While the clues aren't the most logical to spot, there are ways to tell that something to do with size manipulation is at play and Black Widow saying "It's all about HOPE!" Kind of sealed the deal? IDK, unless you considered that the point it was revealed, but eh. Plus the hulk forcibly growing and overflowing is something that can only really happen thanks to having something be turned bigger inside him.

[@IcyDiamond]

I first thought Black Widow said “It’s all about Hulk” the first time lol

[@pizzahutkidman8806]

@@IcyDiamond I mean, she did hang out with Hulk before he died so it do make some sort of sense haha!

[@IcyDiamond]

@@pizzahutkidman8806 Yep lol

[@tallietorchersproductions2740]

Yeah, I did like that one.

[@reneerodriguez7368]

And the first person perspective shots of the mystery killer jumping up from that worm's eye view really gave it away for me in my opinion. I was able to figure out it was Hank Pym from those shots alone. Figured it was because his daughter died that he became evil (not many heroes have kids in their movies as their turning point/motivation, so it made sense.)

[@mynameisharry8739]

I loved the overarching plot of the Watcher slowly considering to interfere and then finally interfering in the last episode. It was a really smart way of connecting all of these episodes

[@kingcyclops4079]

Would've been better if they instead just did separate stories. Each season we'd get a part 2 of a story and see where it goes while also getting new stories. That's just my opinion but would've been interesting.

[@mynameisharry8739]

@@kingcyclops4079 i have a feeling season 2 will focus on the consequences of the Watcher interfering

[@disneyvillainsfan1666]

@@kingcyclops4079 Yeah, I'm getting a little bored or these Superhero stories coming together, weather they're movies or TV shows. It's becoming a cliche.

[@akinschalkwyk8998]

@@disneyvillainsfan1666 That's how connected universes work, no?

[@soulstealer5625]

I’m just happy Nat got do a fair bit of stuff here, kinda funny how they gave her more credit here than main series though.

[@frescopino7866]

Seriously tho: Shang-chi is good enough to justify a trip to the movies. In my opinion, it's the best thing Marvel did since Infinity War.

[@dippy_1999]

@Frescopino Shang-Chi honestly felt like a waste, similar to everything else in Phase 4. My main problem lies with the characters. Shang-Chi feels like an afterthought in his own movie, and I wanted to shoot myself every time Katy was on-screen. There are MUCH, and I mean much, better movies to be spending your money on. Wether it be Venom 2, or Ghostbusters 3, coming out this November.

[@inkgeneral124]

Agree with u frescopino every one is shittin on u for something they probably havent seen

[@joeyjerry1586]

@@dippy_1999, venom 2? All venom 2 is a dumb fun superhero movie that would’ve benefitted from an r rating. It’s really not something to get crazy about.

[@Hecatom]

Lol, sure

[@psychonaut1502]

One of my problems with Marvel movies and shows is that every character is trying to be Peter Parker. Peter does the serious superhero thing but makes jokes and snarky comments. It's fine because that's his character. The problem is that now every Marvel hero needs to do the same to be funny and relatable. Every Marvel hero is Peter Parker with different powers.

[@persan2357]

It's a weird comparison, but I find myself agreeing. Marvel has this problem where it wants to make every single character and movie 'quirky' enough, to the point where they ruin potential good premises with their friendly banter and cringe humor. Why can't they make more characters like Wolverine? Or Deadpool? Or any other sufficiently dark character that doesn´t partake in that kind of childish humor and it´s actually good? I want to see some serious MCU projects, because some characters like Gamora, Shang-Chi, Black Widow or Loki are actually not that goofy-like and they're actually quite dark characters. I feel because of things like that the MCU kills what makes them compelling...

[@marcusgo1160]

@@persan2357 Calling deadpool as serious is a joke.

[@persan2357]

@@marcusgo1160 I don’t mean to call him a serious character. What I mean is that Marvel is not afraid to make his backstory as dark as it is (being tortured in horrible ways), and the humor is not cheesy like, it’s proper dark/satirical humor that is not toned down at all.

[@robonator2945]

definitely, I mean even Cap had back and fourths with tony in the original avengers, but I can't see captain carter disliking anyone or even having a single negative character trait. I think this is why most of the comments on this video, are defending either party thor or strange supreme, those are the only two which were allowed to be characters and not props to push a message.

[@cmd0113]

I'm guessing it's because of the business side interfering with the writers. They see that most audiences like the comedy so they lean to that aspect more, which is why their more serious films like winter soldier, civil war & infinity war are more enjoyable for me personally. Same thing with DC, I feel like all their heroes have become dark and brooding like Batman which is Why Suicide Squad 2 felt fresh and was a pleasant surprise.

[@nashor7161]

9:16 i think the fact that Strange only saw one way to win out of the literal infinite possibilities is because kang dictated evereything that was going to happen. Probably because Tony had to die like that specifically for Kang's timeline to exist.

[@YourHomieFrog]

I really want to see a Shang chi episode next season, that would be great

[@samkathryn4825]

So many possibilities!! What if Wenwu trained Xialing instead of Shang? What if Shang never left his father? What if Shang’s mother was snapped away instead of murdered?