Marvel Transformers Retrospective (ALL IN ONE) - Atop the Fourth Wall

[@galaxycamerata]

When I was too young to read full sentences properly I used to think that the cover to #5 said "ALL ARE DEAD" and didn't get that Shockwave was amending the title. Like he was just leaving a message to make it perfectly clear he left no survivors.

[@PrincessAmi9756]

My favorite Furmanism: "Let's give him the worst case of indigestion... that he's ever had!"

[@pauldecker4630]

It has only now occurred to me that these all in one videos are basically syndication packages for Atop the Fourth Wall.

[@AT4W]

Or trade paperback collections!

[@jeremytung1632]

In this instance we can argue it’s a combiner.

[@lostmediadetective6603]

@@AT4W 😆😆

[@daelen.cclark]

@@AT4W Still more collected and affordable in Canada.

[@plantainsame2049]

@@jeremytung1632 if a combiner attempting to transform what would it turn into like if Minisaur Championship transform what would he become a semi truck with a bunch of other cars attached to it

[@Sitharos]

Lewis is the kind of guy I would love to hang out with after getting my weekly comics and talk about comics late into the night. 🙂

[@Cdr2002]

One thing that I think should not be understated is that as sparsely as certain characters in these books were focused on, they were ALL characters. Budiansky and others wrote profiles for each character, every toy that came out. Every last one has a personality, feelings, motives, etc. We just didn’t get to see them all

[@chrisschurke4151]

The irony of the Decepticons building a car wash, a facility that washes things, and sending it to Earth only for it get infected by a disease that can be cured by water, and having them not know what water is.

[@jetseekers]

Might be because cybertronian as a whole can't grasp the concept that our organic cleaning solvent and internal catalyst is the same thing and not a hydrocarbon. They probably treat water the same way we treat sulfuric or hydrochloric acid

[@KGKSkull]

It’s called a kink! Think about it. To a transforming robot, a car going through a tunnel, soaking every inch of the surface in water and soap, that is kind of kinky to a robot, like the robot equivalent of a wet T shirt. And no I’m not sorry for this

[@kungfanning6913]

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[@ragingyuzu1891]

49:33 Well you have to acknowledge the floppy disk's accomplishment of being able to store a Transformer's Spark within such low capacity.

[@lexofexcel886]

Isn't computer science the technique of fitting as much data as possible into as small a space as possible? Not sure if it makes the plot point any less silly, but it's an impressive piece of technobabble if you need it.

[@legofanguyvid]

I was gonna I can buy Optimus fitting on a floppy disk, more in the sense of cybertronians Minds being like hyper optimized so they don't have to have him in like what, 64 floppies, 512?

[@Rabbitlord108]

It's funnier knowing Transformers: Battle To Save The Earth (The 2nd of two Transformers games made for the Commodore 64) was in fact released on a five and a quarter inch floppy disk.

[@the4thwallkid132]

"I'm the ninja consultant of the decepticons!" - Sixshot 1987

[@Mobysimo]

Truly he must be in high demand

[@carsonsmith7314]

“Now that you know who I am, look out!”

[@chaoticjusticezero]

I've never been clear on something: Does he consult the Decepticons on ninjas *specifically* or is he a ninja who serves as a general consultant for the Decepticons?

[@Mobysimo]

@@chaoticjusticezero Yes

[@carsonsmith7314]

@@chaoticjusticezero Yes

[@theultimatememelord5494]

I guess the Avengers used Superman's philosophy when it came to the Deceptions: That problem is over there, and over there has to take care of it's own problems.

[@jaredohlstein7355]

I hope that Lewis sees your comment

[@johnnygyro2295]

If that's the case, then the Avengers and SHIELD dropped the ball hard considering Megatron nuked Earth in Regeneration One. Then again, apparently, Masetro/Evil Hulk's future started from a nuclear war as well...

[@theultimatememelord5494]

@@johnnygyro2295 My god, MAESTRO IS CANON TO REGENRATION ONE!!!

[@johnnygyro2295]

@@theultimatememelord5494 What has science done?!

[@genesismultiverse4896]

Actually because they already have enough tie ins to deal with

[@TheTurnipKing]

3:16 Rodimus was post-movie: Coming into the movie (circa 1985), Galvatron and Magnus were pushed as "the new leaders" and got a fair amount of pre-movie animosity going.

[@genesismultiverse4896]

Megascream: GALVATRON HAS FALLEN I *MEGASCREAM* IS YOUR NEW LEADER

[@indianastones6032]

7:49 love the gamera reference!! Bravo lad bravo!!!

[@genesismultiverse4896]

Especially since gammera is a cyborg or a robot

[@drockman92]

“YOU SHOT ME IN THE FACE!!” Always my favorite part. 😂

[@decepticonleaderstarscream6551]

This was a hell of a ride but I enjoyed every minute of it. Thanks Lewis, Till All Are One.

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

3:22:11 Ah, the Hub Network. That gives me good memories. Oh how much I loved watching Transformers Prime Alf & MLP all at once.

[@mattwo7]

9:50 Well to his credit, he didn't know Megatron's legacy still lived on with Beast Megatron. He had every intention of backstabbing the Maximals from the start too, it's just his original plan involved killing the Predacons first.

[@genesismultiverse4896]

Tho og Megatron wanted it to be a crocodile

[@Cdr2002]

How I would modify the Pretenders is that the Autobots implant their shells with size changing devices and use them to better interact with humanity while the Decepticons choose monsters for intimidation and only have one or two (say, Stranglehold and Starscream) equipped to hide among humans Also, I’ve always interpreted Pretender tech as the precursor to the ability to mimic organic life that the Beast Wars characters have

[@johnnygyro2295]

Funny, you should mention that. Apparently, in the Japanese continuity, pretenders could change their size to fit disguises.

[@Cdr2002]

@@johnnygyro2295 yeah, that’s what I was basing it on, the way they work in Masterforce, which allowed Metalhawk and co to blend in with humans far better than the endearingly goofy execution of the concept in the marvel comics (and which version the toy range itself was going for is anyone’s guess)

[@lordzeppelin3824]

You mentioned that Devastator is essentially a Megazord, which I find funny since, whenever I read fanfiction of Transformers crossing over with Power Rangers in some capacity, the first thing people think of is the Megazord (or Thunderzord in one case) fighting Devastator. Heck, Renegade Game Studios, the makers of the Power Rangers and Transformers Tabletop RPGs are releasing a supplement book later this year that has the Megazord fighting Devastator on the cover!

[@LordQuadros]

"Wait, Earth is a Transformer?!" "...Has that ever happened in this franchise?" In the Transformers Prime continuity, the Earth is literally Unicron

[@ssj4jason737]

Not only that, Beast Wars II had an Earth Transformer called Gaia

[@TheArkman360]

@@ssj4jason737 Earth was called Gaia but wasn't a Transformer, it was in the Shattered Glass continuity though.

[@DreamD0g]

Theres also at least 1 comic series (forget the name) that had the earth revealed as primus’ sister gia.

[@TAURON85]

aLL of this BS you kids just listed above, I have absolutely no respect for whatsoever. Lol You can shovel it up to your stinky end, very, very deep! 😂

[@TheArkman360]

@@TAURON85 what the fuck are you talking about?

[@CaptainAvenger1993]

The Rachetron jokes will never cease to amuse me.

[@benreilly9513]

After watching this series for the umpteenth time, it only now truly hits me that seeing the multiversal Rodimus teamup at 3:27:15 is the closest we'll ever likely get to seeing More Than Meets the Eye on AT4W.

[@ill_hex8103]

Fun Fact: Takara (pronounced "Ta-ka-ra") would later go on to create Beyblades and fuse with their rival company Tomy to create Takara Tomy.

[@matthewevans107]

In the UK run there were a lot of secondary/back-up stories that cover since of the plot holes Linkara picks up on such as where Megatron gets Starscream’s body for the pretender storyline. You also get Time Wars which is Transformers’ first dabble with a multiverse.

[@linksocarina1982]

I actually started reading this series because of this retrospective

[@daelen.cclark]

Nice. I hope you enjoy it.

[@GuardianKyle]

"I am Optimus Prime, and I send this message to Linkara and Atop the Fourth Wall. We are here. We are watching."

[@Vesperitis]

Holy crap I only now realize how great Linkara's Megatron voice is. He is _really_ good at voice work.

[@AT4W]

You say that, but I actually find my Megatron fairly weak. It's hard to maintain that level of raspiness while still being clear.

[@AT4W]

Thank you for the compliment, though! =)

[@Pikachu2Ash]

@@AT4W Everyone is their own worse critic. But I always do love your voices. Whether it's great acting or not is a whole different story. 😆

[@gracekim1998]

@@Pikachu2Ash agreed😊

[@Hawkatana]

@@AT4W Honestly, I liked your Starscream voice more.

[@WolfJarl]

56:18 "Where does that thing go when he transforms?" "It's a suppository."

[@IzzuZiq]

It was only a few days ago I was like "when will the compiled version of the Transformers retrospective be a thing?" and my wishes were answered. I do love how this retrospective really put me on a path to go deep into Transformers beyond G1 and the Bayverse. The rabbit hole down the convoluted Japanese G1 Transformers continuity was certainly something because of how much Takara got screwed over for wanting to do their own thing... or having an oddly horny phase every now and then.

[@Kane429]

Really enjoyed this retrospective. Thanks for all the work on it. The Marvel Comics continuity remains my favorite of all in the Transformers saga.

[@bluedotdinosaur]

With the benefit of hindsight and an overview, it's actually really interesting and WEIRD how so much of the Marvel series kept various characters out of their own bodies. Headless, disassembled, brains in toy cars, on floppy discs, etc etc. Some of the characters may have arguably spent more time in the comic not being themselves than being them!

[@alexcurrie4514]

I did not expect to leave this retrospect shipping Regeneration One Starscream and Shockwave.

[@tsukiyami7101]

You are perfect as you are linkara. Your comic reviews are hilarious but informative ☺️

[@mikegates8993]

I wonder if the scene from All Hail Megatron where he allows the humans to shoot at the Decepticons to as a terror tactic was inspired by the scene from the Marvel comics.

[@cactus_judy3929]

Almost definitely. There's a lot of intertextuality with this in idw stuff.

[@nonspiderweb]

HEY I was literally JUST doing a rewatch of this series! I hadn't finished Generation 2 yet, so this is great timing!

[@jakobthedragonboy]

Hell yeah another compilation! I see these as a kind of "special edition" of the original run as it features the same OLD goodness and new hotness in the form of the new end credit text that, instead of just being the original, is new and has new jokes or insights.

[@chocolattemocha8512]

Had the original retrospective on standby, perfect timing!

[@chocolattemocha8512]

Also adding that Generation Two is so weird artwise. Like, Transformers drawn with pouches, belts, big, goofy guns, and GIANT FREAKING NECK MUSCLES. (Or at least, something resembling that) That’s a thing that exists. Someone thought that was a good idea. Transformers is bonkers sometimes.

[@legomaniac213]

@@chocolattemocha8512 The 90s were a frightening time. The ravenous mass that was Liefled's style had its tendrils everywhere.

[@sideways992]

As a massive transformers fan and collector this is one of the best things that you’ve done as someone who grew up with beast wars and Armada but have parents who watch the G1 cartoon and read the Marvel comic book that always made me interested in intrigued on how it all began Which had me look for episodes of the original cartoon and read my dad’s old comic books

[@NeonIcyWings]

My favorite retrospective? All in one? Hell yeah!

[@jeremytung1632]

One could say it’s a combiner retrospective.

[@Mael_Str0M]

Till all are one.

[@KamenriderCrusher]

I think unicron being frighteningly large, even for Shockwave is fascinating

[@johnnygyro2295]

Shockwave also freaked out over Unicron in Transformers Prime, though that time it was due to Unicron raising an army of the undead.

[@barachiel212]

The first issue said Cybertron was roughly the size of Saturn. That means Unicron's planet mode is of comparable size, if not slightly larger. to be able to eat it. Now have Saturn transform itself into an anthropomorphic shape. It could hold Earth, quite literally, in the palm of its hand.

[@Shadethewolfy]

Given that Unicron is the manifestation and harbinger of death and destruction, war and strife, hunger, the darkest parts of the psyche... It makes sense that he would be so imposing and terrifyingly massive. Unicron is basically robot Satan, the reverse of Primus's robot God.

[@Milly67369]

⁠,,☹️😛🥲🥲🥲😚❤️@@Shadethewolfy. . .

[@l_rob420]

@@barachiel212Depending on the continuity, Unicron is either a little bigger or smaller than Cybertron, the size of Earth, or bigger than Jupiter

[@RaphBlade7]

The Dear TSF Frieza bit now just makes me wanna see a Transformers crossover with Dragon Ball!

[@Rabbitlord108]

Hilariously enough. My thoughts on making it so Buster and his girlfriend perished in the car wash of doom can be summed up with this TFS Frieza line "That's stupid. You're stupid. Stop being stupid"

[@Bwillis2099]

I’ve been watching atop the fourth wall for a good while now…it’s actually what got me into comics and what ultimately set me down on the path to becoming an inspiring writer/author…especially the feature length skits and full length retrospectives, so thanks Linkara 👍😊👍

[@michaellombardi1620]

I'd love to hear about the UK comics someday. Quite a few classic comics there

[@artemusprine]

The UK two-parter that appeared late in the US series isn't really typical of the UK issues. They came out monthly also, in between the US comics which also ran there. This meant they were continuing the same ongoing story as the US comics, but in the form of "B" plots and "meanwhiles". They couldn't upend what was happening in the US comics but they could flesh it out and show it from other points of view. If the US comic that month took place on Cybertron the UK comic would likely take place on earth and vice versa.

[@thomasloney612]

"The Carwash of Doom" was actually not the worst issue. I reserve that for issue 55, where one of the micromasters has to wrestle a human in a "duel to the DEATH".

[@jeremytung1632]

Nah I’d argue it’s 33-34 since it brought the ongoing story to a screeching halt.

[@kinglord7707]

These Transformers comics are hilarious especially the Starscream power trip during the Power masters storyline

[@outlier9099]

I wake up and suddenly I'm listening to Linkara talk about transformers. I'd say that's a neat thing to wake up to

[@trevorghalt1881]

Great to see a long video talking about Marvel Transformers and to end this with some wise words from Optimus: Amazing. A booby trap that actually catches boobies

[@laurenceodell930]

And also... Bud Light is awesome!

[@TevyaSmolka]

I love marvel's transformers comics they are tons of fun and also I never knew transformers did there own version of the multiverse because that sounds really awesome and tons of fun, also I still wished that beast wars characters crossed over with the g1 characters interacted with them in there prime because that could've been really awesome and tons of fun at least in my opinion.

[@grkpektis]

I've already seen all these episodes so I am not going to watch this, I just came here to give you a like and view for support

[@cabbitkisser2620]

back in the 80's i used to watch & play with the transformers as a kid. i even bought the comic's back when they were 65 cent's. i still have all of my transformers comic's still to this day.

[@mrjuderaw87]

2:25:00 seeing you fly that toy plane made me smile hard enough i felt like commenting about it

[@ShanaReviews]

Loved watching these during their premiere and here as a compilation. I never read much of the comics as a kid, only watching beast wars on tv and G1 on VHS, but when i did get to the comics, it was something seeing how different it was in its story.

[@mattwo7]

38:51 The "Literally a bridge" idea would be reused a few times, most notably in RID2001 which had a global spacebridge network on Earth (which technically be earthbridges, not spacebridges), maintained by the -Constructibots- Build Team who can combine into -Renovator- Landfill..

[@ShinGallon]

Aah, Marvel, the superior Transformers G1 experience. Nice to have these all packaged together in one video!

[@kray97]

I noticed they said Cybertron was "Saturn sized" - do they understand how friggin huge that is?

[@Savagewolver]

You understand how big the transformers are?

[@TevyaSmolka]

Great job on transformers retrospective and honestly I thought this retrospective was freaking fantastic.

[@WheeledHamster]

Damn i have 3-4 of these comics and I thought it was the end, didn't know there we like 80 of them. I would've never finished the series

[@lbwlawyer]

The guy who drew issue 7, William Johnson (I cheated and looked it up) had this fluid Neil Adams kind of vibe but had this style of drawing the Transformers that was just MILES better than most of the Marvel journeymen of the day who drew most of the issues. Thanks for reminding me of this treasured memory.

[@RobotGerbil]

Ravage actually talks in either Episode 1 or 2 of the G1 cartoon I can't remember. But he also talks a lot in Beast Wars.

[@jaredohlstein7355]

What you were saying about rights issues, in regard to the character Circuit Breaker, just reminded me, now that Image and Robert Kirkman have the rights to The Transformers comics and are hoping to reprint the older comics including these ones from Marvel. I pray that Image doesn't face those copyright issues and are allowed to fully reprint them. Though that'll likely be an extremely complicated process.

[@SkunkWerks7]

This was actually the only comic series I ever collected as a kid- which I was a kid perfectly in time for.

[@bigslim7777]

Amazingly, since these aired, i have issues 2-47 of marvelformers all from flea markets. Can't wait to complete the entire 4 issue limited series.

[@zephyrstrife4668]

Ngl, Soundwave is probably the best cybertronian because of his voice. He's the only one that sounds like that, and he sounds like he knows what he's doing.

[@KamenRiderSeiryuXV0]

Transformers was originated by Takara of Diaclone and Microman toys at that time. Optimus Prime was from Battle Convoy Diaclone and Megatron was Gun Robo from Microman, but i had those toys long time ago.

[@DalekTheSupreme]

I know you've been praised for your Megatron voice, and your Optimus Prime, Grimlock, and Starscream voices are excellent too, but you're pretty spot-on for Dan Gilvezan's Bumblebee as well!

[@DrakeyC]

A note on the Primordial Cybertronians eventually giving "birth" to Botancia - I think that's an in-joke to what the cartoons did for Cybertron, though it is very confusing and convoluted. The concept of Cybertron being the body of Primus was not in the cartoons, in the 80s cartoon the core of Cybertron was dirt and rock like a normal planet, and the Transformers were created by the Quintessons. Beast Machines revealed that Cybertron was once an organic world, and the Oracle aka Vector Sigma aka the supercomputer that may or may not be an aspect or alter-ego of Primus, wanted Optimus Primal to transform Cybertron into a technorganic world, which is a distinct thing from cyborgs and intended as the next evolution of the Transformer race. So the "primordial" Cybertronians are likely an allusion to that concept of Cybertron originating as an organic world and eventually that gave rise to technorganic Transformers. Of course we'll ignore that the comics totally did establish Primus as the heart of Cybertron and the Transformers were not created by the Quintessons, although in Beast Machines Vector Sigma claimed it predated Cybertron, and also it lets Transformers commune with the Allspark which is not the same as the Matrix, and let's not even get into how the Thirteen Primes factor into this... The Transformers rival Donna Troy for confusing origin stories

[@RaiJolt2]

Dang, as someone born in 2004, the old web stuff is crazy to me

[@banobobot]

3:14:48 Ngl I kinda hate that Linkara just casually mentions the fact that Hot Rod came across different versions of himself from other Transformers continuities.

[@gamergabe18]

I loved these videos when they came out. Glad to see them in collected format! Hope you can cover Death’s Head some day. (I always imagined him with something similar to David Kaye’s Megatron voice.)

[@foroneanotherwinningtogeth1142]

Oh, my word. The details you are finding, and the wit you are sharing. Thank you for this excellent material! Oh, and you NEED to be cast as Starscream!

[@PosthumanHeresy]

1:32:28 Always took it as that being the idea, but it's Megatron holding him back that honed him.

[@Kaizer617]

To answer your question of whether or not the Earth itself was a Transformer at any point in the franchise.... 3 times, to my knowledge. In Transformers: Prime, where it was formed around the slumbering form of Unicron and basically became his body. This was recreated (horribly) in the Bay films, specifically The Last Knight, and the less said about that the better. And in the comics made for the old Transformers Collectors Club/Subscription Service, it's revealed in the Shattered Glass universe (basically a Transformers spin on the Star Trek Mirror Universe concept), the Earth turns out to be another slumbering God-Planet Transformer named Gaia, who awakens to batter an evil version of Primus (yes, in this universe, Primus is bad, Unicron is good), beats his ass, and becomes a new Cybertron for the Transformers to call home after the war ends.

[@mjrj1388]

As THEE Geewun fan, you have performed a satisfactory review of the Marvel series, with extra kudos for calling out that IDW/Furman '84 homicidaltron, Optimus. That was total rubbish! Great work!

[@RB-xl1nd]

KUDOS for the wrestling challenge around 1 hr 40 mins. Made me laugh. Also your Starscream voice great.

[@genesismultiverse4896]

*2:02:23* well in prime and bayverse unicron is the core of the earth

[@cottoncandysamurai2791]

So I literally didn't know anything about transformer lore until this video. And I love the fact that you did voices and the wrestling bit was awesome 😅😂😂

[@oliverasensio9429]

I consider the original 80 issues (along with all of the miniseries like the headmasters etc)MY transformers. I’ve been collecting the transformers classics reprints by idw,and it’s some of the best transformers content I’ve experienced in years. My favourite continuity by far. As far as continuations go… g2 is terrible, but I don’t like the direction regeneration 1 took with things either. So just the original 80 for me told an absolutely amazing story, and impact how I see most of the characters in general. I’ve got volumes 1-5 and volume 7 of transformers classics and I’m looking to get vol.6 and 8 soon. I’m also considering starting to collect the uk issues.

[@Negi2468]

Gotta do some of the UK storylines like Target 2006 which were amazing, which explains your question about Galvatron's ruined future. It's because Simon wrote those storylines and brought them into US continuity.

[@jamesadamsfl]

I mean, Ravage didn’t switch loyalties in Beast Wars; he was a Decepticon through and through even when they tried to make him a Predacon. So, Megatron’s ego is why we can’t have Optimus Prime and Captain America hanging out together? If he hadn’t broke cover in Issue 3 to show off how puny human weapons were against him . . . Actually, I kind of blame the decision to make this an ongoing series for why Transformers can’t be in the main Marvel universe. I mean, if it were me writing it, I would end the mini-series with Megatron being either destroyed or captured (possibly given over to SHIELD for containment) with the Decepticons disbanding and scattering to the winds, continuing to hide in their vehicle forms. The Autobots do similar and secretly integrate into human society, and the two sides pop up now and again in future comics. Nice and simple. But yeah, as soon as they decide to make it an ongoing series and Megatron decides to publicly announce himself to the world, having this story happen in the same continuity as a world of superheroes becomes impossible.

[@shadowlinkbds]

This video is definitely more than meets the eye.

[@skyslasher2297]

50:48 Ha look I guess Darkseid isn't the only guy that enjoys good furniture look at Megatrons recliner made of smashed up cars

[@mattwo7]

1:45:19 And now in Earthspark, we have the first _properly_ non-binary transformer. Weird it took this long and an earth-born transformer for that to happen frankly. Also their name is Nightshade. Which funnily enough, is also the name of an unreleased member of the Botbots, Hasbro's belated answer to Shopkins and the second most recent cartoon.

[@jackdubz4247]

Without the TFUK material this is only one small portion of the story.

[@marcherwitch9811]

yay! thank you once again, sir! you are very kind! perfect for trying to make my next cosplay gauntlets!

[@danthemediocreman]

Was actually about to go to the playlist then you uploaded this

[@jakeproven256]

"You lack imagination decepticon" As a transformers fan, I can say the people who think reflector should be three characters instead of one mind controlling three bodies lack imagination as well.

[@kaseysimpson2915]

Hey linkara your a extremely top tier review to me keep up with the good work.

[@rockstickcomics]

“The HUB Network” funny

[@Zenn_Chan]

once again a reminder: YES, in one of the cartoons, earth is indeed, a transformer. I won't spoil which for either, cause that reveal is amazing, and I'd love more people to go in blind

[@Maswartz226]

I feel like the "optimus kills himself because NPCs got hurt" would have had more weight if it wasn't a game, if Optimus made a choice that allowed innocent people to be harmed.

[@rodemus18]

2:02:22 yes! Earth was unicron in transformers prime!!!

[@mattwo7]

3:14:48 Also Hot Shot from Armada and an unused Battlestars Rodimus Convoy (which Ask Vector Prime called Duke Fire (after the Brave Police J-Decker character with a similar transformation scheme) but the concept called New Rodimus) for some reason as well as toy-exclusives like Micromaster Hot Rod (bottom left, you can tell because he's the smallest).

[@Dinoman-ff1wc]

Linkara is one of my favorite internet reviewers of all time.

[@shoresean1237]

As to Ravage and other animation-silent characters talking in comics, there is precedent for it: Road Runner/Coyote, Tom and Jerry (and Itchy/Scratchy in Bongo Simpsons books) and many others who live by gesture and facial movement in the cartoons were made chatty by their comics' counterparts, in Coyote's case far exceeding his brief turns in the old shorts. Similarly, given the difficulty of conveying 'Duck Talk', Donald, and in the old days his nephews, were made utterly comprehensible when in books or strips. Grimlock here was an oddity, as noted, shifting from coherence to 'Me, Grimlock' AFTER being made leader, something I don't think the animated team would have even contemplated.

[@sirhenrymorgan1187]

9/11 first responder THE Goddamn Batman Survived by his husband, Vaughn C. Williams RIP Kevin Conroy Condolences to his family, friends, and fans. Curse cancer, to Hell with it.

[@mattwo7]

2:04:16 Seems like Prime forgot that there's two different factions of Decepticons that they know of. There's a third they don't know of that would further complicate matters but just the fact there's already two makes this an even stupider plan.

[@TechnicalJimActual]

That was _Octopunch_ (His inner robot separated from his Pretender shell, which looks a little like Bludgeon tbf) who shot Grimlock in the back & accidentally awakened Primus.

[@RaphBlade7]

The Ark probably took advantage of the fact the Creation Matrix was in Optimus' body to construct & give life to the dinobots though doing so may have used up most of its resources, with the damage to its sensors being possibly due to a combination of age & damage from the crash! Still at least comic Shockwave wasn't wasting his time waiting on a call from Megatron like his animated counterpart!

[@luiscarrillo6039]

1:51:24 okay i feel i need to address this. When Simon furman got to write for the Us comic of transformers he attempted to connect the Us comics with the UK ones. Whoever with sales of the cómics of transformers in decline and that the UK portion was changed both format with now being short strips in black and white and with a miniseries named earthforce that incredibly damaged the continuity these plans fell off. This issue in particular has remains of that idea of fussing both us and uk continuities the biggest example is that in previous issues of the UK portion two decepticons (darkwing and dreadwing) were dispatched to recover the remains of starscream that survive the explosion of the underbase but they were re animated like if it was some sort of zombie but they managed to recover the remains, on a side note the reason of why Megatron wants revenge is because of a UK original plot of straxus making a clone of Megatron (basically they were clone shenanigans just like spiderman) with some complementary stories in the annuals and a final epilouge to the marvel continuity after issue 80 of the US comics. hope i was able to clarify this. I really enjoy your retrospectives of comics and when you talk about good comics.

[@ztyran]

We've had better than a Transformers/Godzilla crossover. We've had a Power Rangers/Godzilla crossover.

[@SnakeRoadComicsOfficial3677]

IDW was originally going to make a crossover featuring many Transformers series including the marvel comics. But sadly Hasbro scrapped the idea. The only big transformer crossover we got was The Universe War made years before this scrapped idea. Also this is for the Math wizards: How Many Optimus Prime's Brains can you store in a one Terrabyte flash drive?

[@jacoblim3804]

Really, that was was going to happen?

[@SnakeRoadComicsOfficial3677]

Apparently. Still don't know why Hasbro scrapped it since that's a potential money maker given toys.

[@Rabbitlord108]

I see Marvel Shockwave knows the art of breaking the forth wall. Also find it HILARIOUS that his message was referenced in Heroes in Crisis (Update. And now I can imagine older readers who saw the movie comparing the demises and finding it bad because in the movie Optimus at least went down fighting)