Bigger motor for my homemade jointer

[@danheinze4177]

You, sir, are a joy to watch. I learn several things in each video. I appreciate your frugality and ingenuity.

[@jimsjacob]

That’s so cool. Big shout out to the guy who bought you that conical cutter head!!

[@MadHatter764]

You should hook up a Kill a Watt power meter and measure the two motors, especially when jointing a wide piece of hard maple or oak. The induction motor might be capable of pulling a lot more than 1 HP when the slip angle is high.

[@mlindholm]

Kill a Watt?!? Apparently you haven't been watching his videos on Raspberry Pi based current monitoring! Much better data from those.

[@marco23p]

Many continuous-duty motors have no problem to deliver ~3 times the nominal power for short amounts of time, although this might be less for a single-phase motor then for a three-phase motor. And of course, this is not the case for motors that already have a dubious horsepower figure. There's a large difference between a motor that lists a continuous duty output shaft horsepower, and a motor that lists a short time peak electrical input power.

[@Koushakur]

@@mlindholm Wouldn't that be overkill for just making a quick test? He's used pi's for years but it's not like he threw the kill-a-watt into the garbage bin once he started using it

[@jeffreythompson9549]

@@Koushakur Same same only different - multiply by the voltage and it gives you all the dead Watts you need.

[@nh18343]

@@marco23p Yes. The motor Service Factor is how much you can go over the rated continuous HP.

[@aserta]

Oh wow, that's a huge difference. I mean, you said ( i think the last time you talked about this jointer) that the motor was loud, but i had no clue it was THAT loud. :))

[@rogerdudra178]

As a citizen of the BIG SKY I consistently applaud ALL citizens of CANADA. You rock. I have a RIGID planer jointer that I am very proud to own, but yours sure looks like it can go the distance.

[@SuperDeinVadda]

Another improvement would be a noise optimized opening. On professional planers, the opening between the tables where the cutter head comes through is more of a comb than a continuous mouth. That way less air gets trapped between the cutter head and the table edge thus generating less noise.

[@Iamthatmike]

Watching you lay out the belt gaurd was very satisfying. Thanks for the content.

[@rr974]

The noise of the cutter head is generated when the straight knife passes the infeed table. One way would be to make a bigger gap at the table. But this would bring other issues. That's why a lot of planers have a toothed edge on the infeed table. That decreases the noise since the knife of the cutter is no longer passing by a straight edge.

[@nitroboom1282]

Yeh I was thinking that, the cutter head is like an impeller stirring the air up and creating pulses of air that are just god awful

[@spencerbass7142]

Great video. I love that you work in your slippers and your problem solving abilities are excellent.

[@thedeloachsdoyoutube8377]

Beautiful job sir. It’s nice to see all the other tools working together to fix the other tools. One big happy shop. Make On Brother

[@dandavis5832]

You are a genius. I've never considered a wood pulley, and truing the pulley right on the motor. Neat!

[@onjofilms]

I like that table saw maneuver. It's either mad table saw skills, or just mad. Not sure which.

[@AWoodworkersLife]

Cutting freehand on a table saw like that will catch up to you, I simply don’t care who the operator is. I’m a professional woodworker who used to do that on occasion until one day using that technique hurt me bad. It happened so fast I didn’t know what happened for the first few seconds after it happened. Impossible to see it coming and prevent it, even if you think you have reflexes like a cat.

[@johngascon8881]

I love watching your content .I Have been watching for years now and learned a lot from you thank you.

[@briswolf]

You are such a pragmatic and practical man, it’s just a pleasure to watch you tackle a problem

[@instantmuffin5]

I remember you found teething the table to be unneccessary with the old design. It might be time to reconsider this now. That said I am surprised 1hp is enough power for this. I would have guessed one would need at least 2 hp to keep it going nicely, especially with broader and harder workpieces. My 10 inch jointer has a 2,5hp three phase motor and that is plenty enough, although I haven't dared to take off more than 1,5mm at once with anything wider than 5 inches. Thank you for sharing and nice work as always. Greetings Also Matthias

[@kenc2257]

Pretty ingenious. Going with a wooden pulley for the new motor was brilliant. Much quieter. Very interesting video.

[@alasdairmackenzie515]

All your videos just make me smile. Thanks for them all.

[@jameslatimer3600]

Good seeing you at work again Matthias.

[@jimgraham4673]

Time for me to get busy. Thanks for your inspiration. "want" a bandsaw and jointer. Pretty ambitious for a 70 something.

[@Odi00001]

Finally, great upgrade! Building of this jointer was the first thing I saw on this channel, and fell in love with it. I thought how great it would be to build one, just with induction motor and maybe even with helical head :)

[@ronthacker211]

Best of Woodworking AND Engineering. Right up my alley. Love it.

[@EvoGeo]

I love your machines. Excellent result on this one! You'll have the best home built jointer in the world when that head gets in.

[@NuffMan_]

Washing machines also use belt and pulleys around those sizes, could be a good place to source parts

[@mechanoid5739]

Exactly what I thought!

[@PabloEdvardo]

these are my absolute favorite videos of yours (where you're doing some kind of woodworking engineering on your tools), a return to form :D

[@Ififitzisitz]

I just love the sound of big induction motors. Thanks for posting!

[@mikeallan9574]

Hey Matthias, McMaster-Carr does sell to us north-of-the-border sweaty masses. Their shipping is super fast too. Not free, but sometimes it’s nice to tap into that massive catalogue.

[@scpaircraft]

Been thinking of this for my jointer since the first startup.

[@LarsSveen]

Brilliant work as usual. I need to buy some plans and make one of those.

[@AbdicateDotNet]

Massive difference!! Great job! Isn't it great to have such nice helpful folks!? 👏👏👏👏

[@DeutzFahrD7807C]

I'm excited for the swap out of the cutter head 😊

[@edmcgugan2079]

Homemade pulley, with a rigged up lathe with a piece of firewood for a tool rest. All the while wearing fuzzy slippers. Another excellent video! Thank you!

[@MCsCreations]

Fantastic work, Matthias! Nicely done! 😃 Your ears are going to thank you! Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@TigerCarpenter]

that wooden pulley matches your woodgear brand perfectly nice job!

[@meetv7700]

Next items in his bucket list are : Induction motor made from plywood cutoffs V belts made from scrap pallet wood Amazing work btw, I am a big fan of his work.

[@tollertollertoller]

Nicely done. Love your execution of projects.

[@andrew5792]

A good source of ribbed pulley's and belts is the automotive industry. A quick trip to the local wreckers (junk yard) will provide an amazing range of pulleys. Also, very interesting that the sound of the cutter head is amplified with the dust collection on. I am guessing it has something to do with airflow over the spinning head.

[@matthiaswandel]

Those tend to be the next size up in terms of rib sizes. Also, none as big as I needed.

[@jefflormans5441]

Yes, might be an interesting video in itself on silencing machinery. I hate those bloody universal motors, I don't know how Matthias has tolerated that one for so long especially inside a house. I wonder how difficult it would be to sound insulate that universal motor.

[@1pcfred]

@@jefflormans5441 universal motors are small and bloody fast. Once those cutters are hitting the work the noise difference is a wash. Most universal motor noise is the brushes on the commutator. Planers are one tool I use ear protection operating.

[@Bob_Adkins]

It's like the spinning impeller blades rapidly block and unblock a sound chamber making it effectively change size. Think acoustic guitar. Maybe some strategically placed sound-deadening mat such as Dynamat would quiet it a lot more.

[@ryandury]

@@jefflormans5441 Worst thing about the Dewalt planer is how loud it is. Ugh!

[@JohnMGibby]

Amazing difference. Always love your shop project videos.

[@Asterix9469]

I've seen adjustable V belts at stores that are adjustable but not sure how effective those would be for you. That motor looks about the same size as my 1hp Delta Unisaw bullet motor from 1944 and oh boy do those things have a lot of weight behind that 1hp!

[@amdomag]

You're an inspiration, Matthias.

[@egj1975]

I know engineers that could learn alot of you. Keep it simple and dont overthink everything.

[@bradley3549]

That wedge lock system looks like something that would be very reasonable to make completely out of wood for anybody with a lathe. Specifically the ones that don't mind using it. Would probably beat any of the other wood pulley fastening methods out there as well.

[@franzsadler1429]

Like the idea! Although two things concern me: 1. the strength of the wood will probably not suffice to endure the high pressures at the key 2. Using hardwood (which seems the most logical thing for me to endure the stress) for the cone part on the motorshaft may result in rather large movements of the pulley due to shrinking and expanding. Do you have any idea how to work around that? Otherwise I might actually try it one day, even with the little grooves for the v-belt in the pulley.

[@Scotthorn06]

@@franzsadler1429 something like Baltic birch plywood could give reasonable hardness while a theoretically being more stable with regards to movement.

[@danharold3087]

Excellent. Sounds like a real jointer. I would have been tempted to make the bottom pulley convex so its self centering. Not sure if that would have worked. Looking forwards to seeing it with the new cutterhead.

[@peladinho769]

Awesome show today Matthias..

[@ProDMiner]

Matthias, I ordered your box joint jig plans. but to make that had some other stuff to finish. Finished a wood extension to my table saw, make a new box / stand for the table saw, now thats built my out feed table is not the way or size. So ill build that table out of solid hardwood, then im gonna start working on the box joint jig. My next thing I want is to either make a 12" planer or 15" have not decided yet. Ty for showing this stuff its amazing!! :)

[@matthiaswandel]

12" is plenty. It gets difficult keeping really wide tables flat.

[@ProDMiner]

@@matthiaswandel ya I honestly thought that to. My father , and I just sat here , and re watched this video he was in awe you made it. I said dad this is the dude I learn all my stuff from haha.

[@luigikoopa8771]

the reason that the jointer is louder with the dust collector on is because the knives force air pulses through the gap and turning the dust collector on amplifies the amount of air in those pulses. very similar to why blowers are sometimes added to sirens to make them louder.

[@jdraney]

Awesome video. Can’t wait to see the new cutter head when it arrives.

[@pjmakovinyi]

It's always pleasure and inspiration to see how you are able to overcome obstacles in your projects :)

[@mohamad_z_DIY]

when you use that kind of belt (serpentine belt),you have to put a rogue pulley in the way.best place to install that,is the middle of two pulley,a bit to left or write,just make sure its on the circuit.(go to the near car repairing shop,you will find all this tools in perfect condition). i love your works.

[@franzsadler1429]

Hey Matthias, really nice video! I have been waiting for this one, and I really like the result. Looking forward to see the next video about the upgraded cutterhead. Greetings from south Germany

[@thebigswede1736]

I just replaced head on my Ridgid planer and my oh my does it cut nice. Just be prepared for a very slight "scalloping" due to the individual carbide cutters.

[@jays3350]

It’s always satisfying when a gear puller works perfectly after fighting for hours with a hammer

[@eventosdeanimacionhenrydia8809]

Exelente, más potencia le hacía falta para un mejor Desempeño.. saludos cordiales de Cancún Quintana Roo México 🇲🇽 bendiciones..

[@brucebonkowski7253]

I watched your shop filter I use the thin furnace filters and a old sheet as a pre filter

[@ekoene6162]

your videos & content is always interesting to watch + you learn quite a lot from it 😀 keep up the amazing work Matthias 👏

[@chucksmith9633]

Thanks for another great video! I still want to make one of these. A helical head ($$$) would run quieter and give a longer lasting smooth cut. Most of the noise now is from the three flat blades slapping the air so when you turn on the dust collector, you are now slapping turbulent air making even more noise. My couch potato quarterback opinion 🤣

[@SeanHodgins]

-MarkupCenter- , I mean McMasterCarr, does ship to residential as long as you're a registered business/sole proprietor.

[@matthiaswandel]

yes, but you can't register new accounts

[@chuckyfiche]

@@matthiaswandel I think you can - you should double-check, I just placed an order a few months ago and had no issues. They can be expensive and shipping is always a surprise cost - but it's never outrageous. They often are the only place to get some things. And I like their CAD models which can be imported (and 3D printed) for prototypes! Of course, the wooden pulley is more fun!

[@atomicsmith]

@@matthiaswandel Surely a US viewer would be willing to receive and then ship it to you? I'll volunteer if no one else will, but I'm in Texas. Someone closer to a primary border crossing probably makes sense, like Michigan.

[@GregCormier]

@@matthiaswandel I'm in Ottawa and have an account. Happy to help out if you ever need.

[@aalove2010]

These MMC comments miss the point: if MW just bought what he needed, he wouldn't be MW, that's just not his style. The whole reason we're here--1.7M and counting--is that he doesn't just buy stuff like the rest of us schlubs.

[@Acid13a]

I have been watching you for years and didn't know you are in Canada

[@TheMrWoodsman]

What a difference that made!

[@2009kevo]

It’s amazing how much quieter that is now. Also interesting that it makes more noise when the dust collector is turned on To me it sounds as though the cutter head makes more noise. I guess that’s the air flow passing over the cutter May also be that the air flow is being pulled different directions over the cutter head as apposed to just the cutter head pushing the air ?? Lol

[@muchmuchmore]

😢 Ouch. McMaster is so convenient for projects like this. Their online catalog interface is the best I've ever seen. Sorry to hear they don't ship to you in Canada.

[@GraemePayne1967Marine]

McMaster-Carr - - - Maybe its time for you to rent a post office box (or one in a place like a UPS Store) in the nearest US border town. :

[@andrewwatts1997]

What an improvement!!

[@goodfella33on]

Nice upgrade! It might also be possible to reduce noise from the cutterhead by modifying the table. Some jointer tables have a row of small gaps instead of a straight line at the edges facing towards the cutterhead. As far as i know this is also meant to reduce sound from the cutterhead by giving the air more room to escape when the cutterknifes pass the edges of the table. Concerning your motor: why is that motor so big having only 1hp? When you presented your fathers selfmade tablesaw, it also had a motor that seemed to be really beefy for the 3 hp it has. You made a series of really interesting videos about induction motors. If your into it, I'd like to see you adressing this topic of motor-build-size in connection with hp in another video eventually!

[@greentjmtl]

HP is a measurement of torque and speed, this is a low speed motor so it has crapton of torque instead.

[@ddanielmiester]

Older technology. Thicker wires and thicker insulation, lower temperature ratings, stator/rotor made out of materials that saturate at lower field strengths, older understanding of how magnetic fields should be shaped in a motor. all of this combine to require a larger frame for a given power rating. Also, larger overengineering factors too. That motor could probably run at 150% indefinitely. My grandfather had an _ancient_ 5 HP motor running his air compressor. It was about the size of a wine cask, and 3 times heavier. But, it was still happily running a century after its birth. Let's see how many modern 5HP motors are still running 100 years later.

[@euti]

After "With the cutterhead now making most of the noise, the logical thing would be to switch to a carbide helical cutterhead, but those are quite expensive." I kind of expected you to say "So I try to make something out of wood to go on there." Looking forward to see the upcoming video.

[@hobbified]

I hear Maple Carbide grows good in Canada.

[@claeswikberg8958]

Thats gooing to be one heck of a jointer in the end

[@bobweiram6321]

This Old Tony is going to have a lot of fun with this video. LOL!

[@albertosanvito]

Super motore a induzione 👍

[@AdamEarl2]

McMaster-Carr in Canada: go into any fastenal and they will cross reference any MC part number. About 90% of the time they have an equivalent, and its usually a fraction of the price.

[@MrTooTechnical]

You will love the Sheelix cutter head. They rock.

[@larrymazzuca1313]

I am always amazed by your ability to asses and correct problems ! One more informative and entertaining video !

[@christianscustoms6429]

Been thinking this video was coming for quite some time. Really good upgrade!

[@hmspain52]

I was expecting an idler pully, but your solution was elegant!

[@mjslug]

With a belt that long would you not think of adding an offset tensioning third wheel? With it being so susceptible to small amounts of movement even a slight stretch over time could generate enough slack to cause issues.

[@matthiaswandel]

the old one hasn't stretched. If it stretches, I'll move the motor. I put spacers under the motor mounts exactly for that reason.

[@rpavlik1]

I wonder if a tensioner or idler pulley would make the whole system more robust and less sensitive to alignment. Sounds like your cutter guard is resonating too

[@matthiaswandel]

an idler makes the alignment issues worse

[@beralius8584]

My one thought on the new setup, is whether a link belt might be better, assuming you can source a cheap pulley for the cutter head. With the length of that belt, might see stretching issues. Great video, as always.

[@Ferruccio001]

Impressive and inspiring as always!

[@edbrassington310]

Very clever and ingenious

[@MattOnYoutube_1]

Curious to hear more about motor power “inflation”. Are you just suggesting induction motor power is grossly exaggerated like shop vac motors? Love your stuff!

[@Prophes0r]

basically, in "the old days" stuff was rated more loosely. And it was also rated so that it didn't fall below the rating during the use period, and under most conditions. They were designed to be rebuilt, so you didn't want them to start failing because the coils were failing. But now? They get rated for the minimum duty cycle and MTBF that they can get away with without getting hit for fraud. It's kind of like comparing a tractor trailer engine to a Honda Civic engine with a GIANT turbo. Both will do ~600-650hp, but the Civic engine is literally on borrowed time. It's not an "if" but a "when" it's going to blow up.

[@MrJVH88]

With how long you've been at it and all the workshops you've had through the years I'm surprised you've never gotten into any metalworking.

[@BDYT1422]

The old motor does sound cool

[@keitho77]

What a solution!! Excellent stuff

[@Rpaezt]

A tuned resonator (tube + bottle) near the sound source may reduce the noise level

[@josesanhueza4017]

amazing, you are a teacher, greetings from Chile

[@BigBrotherIsTooBig]

You should consider putting a tensioner pulley on your belt, it'll help with the belt flopping around.

[@hansh5140]

you could always drill two apposing holes and tap them, then you'll be able to use two long bolts to "press the pulley off"

[@AllenBrosowsky]

I guessed you would make wooden pulley as soon as you mentioned putting a bigger pulley on. Believe me, it wasn't a stretch of the imagination.

[@asc]

Would you test the power used with the current knives, and compare to the power used with the carbide helical cutters? I thought that since there is less contact with the wood at any point in time compared to a straight knife, the carbide helical cutter head would need less power.

[@matthiaswandel]

Good idea. I will have to make sure to make some reference cuts before I swap the head

[@GraemePayne1967Marine]

Ahhh. Now it sounds like the jointers I used 50+ years ago, in high school shop classes.

[@Brettly01]

do you have a video on building your own drum sander.?

[@JohnnyCashavetes]

One of the great mysteries of the universe: Why is Matthias saying, "Ah shit," one of the funniest things ever

[@lwoodt1]

You could add an idler pulley to the belt also.

[@mpetersen6]

As noted a good source for mult igroove pulleys is the bone yard. And yes there is the size problem. Install a jack shaft if needed. For belts an auto parts store. Multi groove belts run quieter than regular vee belts. As to turning the OD of the pulley to the proper profile the grooves are a 40 degree included angle. Surely you know somebody with a real lathe.

[@IstasPumaNevada]

It's interesting how much louder the spinning blade gets with the dust collector pulling more air past it.

[@Loekamber]

Clean job as always! Have you ever considered hearing protection though?

[@A_Stereotypical_Heretic]

I'm sure a LOT of people around you wear it...

[@isakwatz11]

Even with hearing protection, the noise from the old motor is painful!

[@oldskooljules]

WHAT?

[@jBurn_]

@@isakwatz11 I don't thinnk thats what Simonator meant to say. Regardless of the engine, hearing protection should be worn to protect his ears.

[@baconcatbug]

Do you not see him wear hearing protection?

[@Unistarguy]

These are such good videos

[@DeweyKentM]

If you didn’t have a new motor, are there things you could do to the old one to reduce sound? I have no idea what I’m talking about, so I’m just guessing, but would foam around the inside of the motor enclosure, and on the opposite side of the piece of wood to which it’s mounted, help? What about swapping out the bearings? Maybe running it at a lower speed? Again, no idea what I’m talking about. Both of those things are probably labor intensive and expensive.

[@matthiaswandel]

I tried plugging the openings for cooling air, didn't help. A lot of noise is transmitted to the frame mechanically. Just not worth the trouble.

[@powerpop23]

2:30 I am going to make something out of wood. Liked! Great as allways! Thanks for all the nice videos! Greats from Germany

[@kanedNunable]

looks like if you moved the motor down 10mm it would tighten up the belt more?

[@joethompson11]

I didn't realise how used to that sound I was after all these years, great improvement. Looking forward to the next upgrade!

[@What_Other_Hobbies]

You should be able to order a 13” shelix cutter head from Byrd. The one on my ridgid was a little over 300USD from 2020.

[@matthiaswandel]

it has to be one that's the right size, that's what makes it take so long.

[@farmerfrance4397]

I would suggest a 5hp induction motor at 3400rpm with a custom pulley. You need a machinist friend to make you a good pulley. At that rpm, you should be able to get by with +/- 6" bottom pulley and you can find a smaller pulley for the top.