DANGER! Beware of Tip-Over Hazard with 2018+ Honda Goldwing

[@Jamminn555]

Great tip Max. Really appreciate it. And really like all of your videos. Thanks for everything you do.

[@Traxxion]

Happy to help!

[@hippielewis4768]

Why tilt the mirrors in. The part below mirrors stick out more.

[@Traxxion]

The mirrors on a 2018+ Goldwing stick out 8 1/2" past the widest part of the fairing. X2 is 17", and for thousands of owners who have limited storage space, that's a huge amount of space.

[@tennyis28]

It's just the angle

[@charliejamz.]

This was an issue with the previous generation too. I found out the hard way lmao but I never fell though. The sudden stop got my attention😂.

[@stevedunn4490]

This is not a Goldwing problem. I have many bikes and this can happen with most. People need to be responsible for their actions. The headline makes it seem like a Honda safety problem and it isn’t.

[@terryschramm6582]

Steve you are right, Nobody wants to blame there self for there own ignorance.

[@stevedunn4490]

organthruster I have 15. I have hayabusa’s that can do the exact same thing, but that is not the issue. People need to pay attention to what they are doing. The first think I notice when I get on my 2018 Goldwing is the mirrors.

[@stevedunn4490]

organthruster oh lord I understand the issue and it is a person problem not a Honda problem.

[@splodge57]

My car jumps forward if I start it in gear. Some cars will not start in gear. But with my car the fix is to make sure it's not in gear before starting.

[@splodge57]

@Philip Wandnot all manual cars will start in gear my Renault didnt, it has nothing to do with use of the clutch. And the mirror only touches the front brake lever if the mirror is folded in. So something to remember. Just saying.

[@travelinben1966]

Thinking about purchasing an 18 Wing. Thank you for the heads up!

[@perrygordon123]

You Designed a dipstick extender how do I go about buying one of those for my 2019 Goldwing

[@Traxxion]

www.traxxion.com

[@timothyanderson3042]

You know I’m not a wing owner but did try the new wing fabulous phenomenal bike and that’s saying a lot from a 40 year harley rider I did end up purchasing a 19 Harley Road Glide Ultra but I’ve personally watched many of their videos and I’m quite impressed with his engineering skills and absolute authority and knowledge on the wings

[@Traxxion]

Traxxion Dynamics has incredible suspension upgrades for Harley's too!

[@frankward8003]

Thanks for the tip Max.

[@eugeniustheodidactus8890]

Max, how do you like the manual transmission ? So many people love the DCT, but I am trying to find a used manual wing.

[@Traxxion]

It's very nice and smooth. I bought a manual because I didn't need a DCT for people to experience our suspension, and it was $2000 more I didn't need to spend.

[@ThecrosseyedTexan]

The handlebars stick out further than the mirrors do so folding the bearings in seems a bit superfluous

[@Traxxion]

Not when you turn the handlebars and apply the steering lock, like any normal rider would do. Then the mirrors stick out much wider.

[@michaeljohnson-li5nn]

This happened to me when I was reversing my 2018 DCT back into my garage. I have a limited amount of room between my car and the garage wall. Decided that folding in both mirror housings was the best way to help manoeuvre the bike into the available space. I selected reverse mode and was backing the bike in to the garage nice and steady, suddenly the bike stopped dead! Luckily I had a good hold of the bars and stopped the bike from falling over. It took me a while to work out what had just happened but it suddenly became obvious that the front brake lever had contacted the mirror housing. I understand the Chris (Cruisemans Garage) knows of one rider who had this happen to, and ended up fracturing his ankle as the bike fell over onto him.

[@josmooth]

Oh wow that's so dangerous...

[@mml1224]

incredible detective work Max, on the right side mirror engaging the front brake lever or the other way around....is this with GW and f6bs, as well?

[@mml1224]

@UCemCdiazTUhygDeZhmoqNdg so i hear the, f6b 15/16 year, you cannot put a stock honda gw trunk on it? is that true, there fore i have2buy an aftermarket rear trunk that doesn't 'necessarily match?

[@alanaugust8853]

You know..., my 2008 GL1800 with the Traxxion “Full Monty” suspension system, along with Helibar Adjustable Bars and full leather Russell Day Long saddle feels just a little bit better each time I view videos like this. I can still ‘rip’ pretty good with my 950 lbs. ‘sport bike’ LOLOLOL, But, I must admit, that even at age 70, new bikes still get a juice or two of mine flowing :) Thanks, Max, for this vid.

[@dr.michaelbennett8597]

Alan August After a nine-year lay-off, I just bought a new 2018 Goldwing Tour. I was the first customer to get the FULL Full Monty from Traxxion Dynamics on my ‘07 Goldwing. Had a Corbin seat and few other little things. As I made the 90 mile ride home, I thought maybe I should have bought a used bike and dressed it up. I see no improvement and maybe a decline. 😩

[@alanaugust8853]

Dr. Michael Bennett - Perhaps things will improve for you as you ride your new bike, and as some ‘buyer’s remorse’ fades.

[@motodrang4287]

Agh! There’s a giant hand about to grab you!

[@RichDunn]

For the first part of the video I thought that the tip-over hazard was going to be the cameraman's finger :-D

[@QuadroNVS]

Most folks don’t put frame sliders or frame protection on such a bike so this cause cost someone thousands of dollars in damage.

[@Traxxion]

No doubt!

[@roberteaster4244]

I found that out in my garage myself last year, didn’t drop it cause i caught it, phew!!

[@Magicinstalls]

Hey Max thanks for that explanation. I’ve always heard that that can happen but it doesn’t happen with mine because I have the Heli bars I was confused but now I know...

[@a.d.c7941]

Reason 43 why I am going trike mine out.

[@MJT-DA]

Doesn't the goldwing have an assist walking feature? Why would this be an issue with the new goldwing DCT?

[@Traxxion]

It doesn't matter which model for this problem. All models since 2018 have this problem. If you turn the handlebars to the left with the mirror folded in, it will compress the front brake lever and lock the front wheel. Then you fall over.

[@MJT-DA]

@@Traxxion And the dct doesn't have a feature to prevent this? Like didn't honda think this could happen?

[@Traxxion]

@@MJT-DA you don't understand... It has nothing to do with DCT or 6 speed. ALL models 2018+ have this problem, including all bagger/standard models.

[@Traxxion]

@@MJT-DA I have an invention to prevent it, $14.99.

[@MJT-DA]

@@Traxxion what's it called?

[@jeffsebastian2236]

Thank you, makes sense.

[@Magicinstalls]

Not an issue with Heli bars…

[@sttraveler2593]

Is Honda coming out with a fix for this? Thanks for sharing this info.

[@bobcook599]

What would you like them to do...remove the mirrors?

[@sttraveler2593]

@@bobcook599 possibly limit handle bar turn so you don't dump your $30,000 motorcycle unexpectedly.

[@Traxxion]

Interesting to see if they attempt anything.

[@splodge57]

The fix is not to fold the mirror in and turn onto full left lock.

[@Traxxion]

@Philip Wand I agree!

[@davidlythgoe8478]

Useful to know - cheers !

[@kimhorton6109]

Good point. Thank you sir

[@aBluegrassPicker]

Great Tip!

[@Traxxion]

Glad it was helpful!

[@gunnyclark1344]

I had a early 80's Honda 650 Silverwing - V-Twin mounted sideways in the frame, if you hit those old round ceramic markers they used to use just right at 70 it would cause the bike the rock back and forth due to the engine (very top heavy) - it had other design flaws also, in my 45 yrs of riding, including weekend trips on a 71 Honda SL350 from Riverside Ca to Phoenix Az & my 1st cross country on a 84 Yamaha 550 Maxim from San Diego Ca to Bethpage Long Island in 6 days but that Silverwing was the only bike I've ever owned that scared me a little.

[@Traxxion]

Keep your eyes out... I have a new product coming to prevent this!

[@billycookson8804]

didn't see it hit?

[@Traxxion]

You won't know. Your bike will be on the ground and you'll just not know what happened it's so fast.

[@genequies8731]

Didn't know that, thanks.

[@maximuscomfort]

Such an expensive and heavy bike you would think the R&D team would figure out an auto wish bone shape drop down bracket to keep the bike from tipping over with out being a tricycle.

[@Traxxion]

They've been building Goldwings since 1975, and if they haven't tried that before now, I don't think they ever will.

[@BenjaminSteber]

Should have designed it to fold in and then up.

[@Traxxion]

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[@cdd7012]

like number 487..... Max you are a life saver

[@Traxxion]

Thanks!

[@yabd792]

I like that motorcycle, one day I will buy one automatic transmission.

[@geraldfrieberg7921]

It makes one wonder if the guys @ Honda have never actually spent time on the very bikes that they are designing (on computer) and manufacturing ( via robotics). It seems the new Wing has several design flaws that should have never have happened !

[@stephensmith1034]

Interesting. Thanks for the tip.

[@obetosunnyakhigbe2727]

Good tip

[@chapterk-2586]

good tip thanks for sharing

[@onfin3al6]

excellent advice .

[@aaronfelix1252]

Honda seems to fail in this department. My 84 was that way without folding anything in, if you turned your bars all the way to the left, the front brake would lock up. Kinda makes you wonder if the engineers ever sat on a goldwing.

[@yourcaseworker6916]

That's not unique to the Goldwing... That will happen on any bike with mirrors that fold in...The problem is GRAVITY!

[@MrBoogyman1988]

Actually the problem is people don't use common sense and unfold the mirrors

[@Joelontugs]

That finger tip hazard though lol

[@ghostpepperrides4805]

Operator error.

[@scottgorman7166]

Good advice

[@pirquo]

Thank you

[@KevinLopez-vf1wk]

Thanks.

[@Traxxion]

We have a little kit to prevent this, check out our Mirror Stop Kit.

[@yves3560]

Too late...

[@CraigSmith568]

Definitely an odd situation you wouldn't expect.

[@MrBoogyman1988]

Well one simple solution is to use common sense and unfold the mirrors

[@Traxxion]

Sounds easy. You could not wear a helmet and just use common sense and not crash as well. Just doesn't always work out the obvious way.

[@Petesmotoadventure]

It will also smash the mirror. It’s happened to another guy. Poor audio on this one.

[@Traxxion]

I have a new phone and I've discovered my mic isn't working on it.

[@justanoldman697]

So its only operator malfunction, not the bike's fault.........

[@Traxxion]

Technically, yes. Functionally, no. It's a reasonable situation that many owners have already found themselves in.

[@yepme6484]

Good to know

[@rn2cro03]

Nice finger

[@Traxxion]

Funny how some people noticed that, I had no idea!

[@billm3465]

Move your finger, cameraman?

[@Traxxion]

Sorry Bill, my cameraman is whoever walks by next! HAHA!

[@GunnyJeffers]

Wow! The biggest NON-ISSUE I've ever seen! Thanks for keeping it short!

[@Ducati_Dude]

How are you saving space by pulling the mirrors in??? The fairing under the mirrors stick out just as far... 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️ Those folding mirrors are just a gimick and are a Serious Safety Hazzard... ✔

[@Traxxion]

The mirrors on a 2018+ Goldwing stick out 8 1/2" past the widest part of the fairing. X2 is 17", and for thousands of owners who have limited storage space, that's a huge amount of space.

[@Ducati_Dude]

@@Traxxion I see that now @ 1:20 Side views make it look like the fairing sticks out as far as the deployed mirror.... Well after being dropped a few times they'll remember to deploy the mirrors before tring to move the bike... 👍

[@Traxxion]

@@Ducati_Dude Well, the internet is actually useful in situations like this to help spread info to prevent people from having this accident. I looked again, and the mirrors actually extend several inches past even the tips of the control levers. I am assuming this allows riders to see behind the side of their hands, and possibly makes a bit of a wind break on cold days.

[@craigbranscum4041]

Folding the mirrors in on that bulky thing is pointless lol.

[@Traxxion]

You should see some "Garages" in Europe. They can be very tiny. Every millimeter counts! Most Americans have their garages so full of shit they can't even put their own car in them, never mind a motorcycle!

[@Traxxion]

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[@lightnbreezy]

Speaking of tipping, my experience with my 2018 Honda700 CTX DCT was traumatic. I believe the kickstand is too verticle and leaves the MC in an almost straight up position when parked. I've had the bike since May 2019 and it fell over a few times, the last time to the right breaking my right hip while in VA touring from my home State of NY resulting in a hospital stay, etc.. The MC kickstand has a dangerous design flaw. I won't be riding again until the Spring of 2020 putting a serious damper on my plans to continue touring the US of A. I'm currently looking for an attorney willing to help me file suit against Honda. I also won't be riding my bike until the kickstand is resolved.

[@Traxxion]

Hate to hear that. You can fix a tall kickstand easily by heating the leg and bending it to an angle you feel puts the bike at a safe angle. It can be fixed in minutes. The other option is cutting the foot off, cutting a piece of the leg out, and welding the foot back on. More time consuming.

[@lightnbreezy]

@@Traxxion Thank you, Max, I like your idea, great suggestion.

[@Traxxion]

@@lightnbreezy Usually, the opposite is the problem.... they bent slowly over time, and then they lean too far to the left. This also happens from heavy riders sitting on heavily loaded bikes while on the side stand. I haven't come across the "too tall" situation, unless the owner has put lowering links on the bike or something stupid like a car tire.

[@tbonemc2118]

The real problem with this sort of bike is its massive weight. A rider moving the bike around by foot won't be using the foot brake because they'll be struggling with both legs to keep it upright. Anyone using the front brake with a heap of lock and only the tiniest bit of lean is just about guaranteed to drop it. There are two types of riders. Those who have dropped their bike in their driveway and those who haven't yet. Nothing to do with mirrors.

[@Traxxion]

The Wing is best suited for this as the engine and drivetrain weight is very low. Having said that, I don't even sit on a Wing to move it, I push it like any other motorcycle or bicycle. I've been pushing Honda Goldwings for decades, and I have never dropped one. If you can drop your Goldwing while sitting on it, then it's not safe for you to operate one.

[@tbonemc2118]

@@Traxxion Is that what I've been doing wrong all these years. Never dropped one on the road but I've done it twice on my driveway. My blackbird happened after I thought I put the side stand down and my VFR 1200 has a nasty habit of needing more revs than you think and will cough if you don't give it enough which is deadly at slow speeds with a lot of lock. It's actually my second VFR because the Honda shop guys dropped the first one in their shop while doing the pre delivery and I had to spot the nearly buffed out scratches on the casing, can and mirror before they admitted anything. It did make it easier getting it swapped out for a new one . Owned that one for the 3 days it took them to swap over my new top box, radiator guard, tyres, centre stand, registration and insurance.

[@BrandonWest87]

@@Traxxion That’s how I’ve ever moved any bike. My wife has a Rebel 1100 DCT and MAN is that thing so much easier to push around after pushing my Wing, it feels like a bicycle by comparison 😂. One of our CVMA friends told my wife she should never be off the bike to move it, and should always be sitting on it when trying to move it around. She just kindly smiled because I had taught her better.

[@pa.offroaders4685]

Move your fingers...lol

[@ort8410]

Is my mom working the camera? I see fingers in the shot. lol.

[@Traxxion]

Did you still get your money's worth? We'll try harder next time.

[@scottsamson2455]

I had the same thing happened to me.My Bike went down in driveway. I have over 50 years of riding experience. Honda should not allow the DCT to go into drive without the mirrors in proper position. Honda should not allow the DCT to go into drive without the emergency brake being In the run position. Very easy fix. Series it through kickstand circuit that will not allow it to go into Drive when the kickstand is down. Very simple way to save accidents. Love my DCT Goldwing

[@Traxxion]

Hi Scott, Check out Electrical Connection. I told Lewis about this problem with the parking brake and he has some new simple to install harnesses that make it so you can't drive off with the parking brake on.

[@johnthompson7420]

maybe you need smaller bikes ? Or an Acura? I kinda like the honda 450...

[@jackturtle131]

Simple solution don't fold the mirrors in the older models never had that we got by for 44 years without it

[@eotsis1]

OR, you could buy a used Victory Vision and never have a tip over issue and have room in the trunk for two helmets

[@BrandonWest87]

Lame.

[@FSHSKainon]

Fingers.. lol

[@Wingboy1800]

Forrest Gump said it best. "Stupid is as stupid does"

[@jessefarrar5400]

Some people shouldn't have a motorcycle....

[@Traxxion]

Karma can be cruel.

[@naushad911]

Great tip, terrible camera work!

[@Traxxion]

The price is right...

[@schigara]

The fix for this "problem" is to use un-common sense and pay attention to what you are doing. If any rider gets tripped up by this non-issue, maybe you are more suited to Croquet, Badminton and a nice pedal powered tri-cycle. An affected rider may also want to avoid those tricky shoes with laces that tend to be so difficult to tie without help and cause you to fall over when stepping on the laces of the opposite shoe. If this video has helped you in any way, I pray to never come within 50 miles of you on the road. By the way, 2 plus 2 equals Jello. How the hell do you know if it does or does not?

[@Traxxion]

It is absolutely reasonable for anyone backing a bike out of a garage who hopes to turn it around to turn the handlebars all the way to the steering stop. That same person should have no expectation that their front brake hit some part of their motorcycle, lock up their front wheel, and cause their bike to tip over. This has happened to hundreds of highly experienced motorcyclists, many I'm sure with far more experience than you have. You are no better than anyone this has happened to, no smarter, no more observant, and if you owned this bike, it would cartainly happen to you. Karma is a cruel, and you may be the person on the tricycle next week.

[@Billfish57]

This guy has talked me out of buying one of these. The Yamaha FJR 1300 is probably more my style anyway. Yamaha makes a more fun bike and Honda is on the boring side, but both are bullet prof, until now with this Goldwing, what a lemon, according to this guy anyway, he does say they look nice, but that's it, the rest is all negative and I guess he would know.

[@Traxxion]

Hi Bill, I've never said "don't buy this bike". I do like it. I'm just showing people problems that they will need to work out if they buy one (or tolerate). Go to any forum and you will find any model of bike has tons of problems and owners are able to point them out and find fixes for them. A bike with lots of technology like the wing only adds to list of possibilities. If you want to tour, there's no substitute for this bike, it's the best at what it does!

[@wobblybrother4552]

What ??? A motorcycle costing in excess of £23,000 and it doesn't have electric folding mirrors ? My father's 650 Burgman which cost £9,000 has electric folding mirrors. I know it wouldn't solve the problem of tip over...but what a rip off Mr Honda !!

[@301speed]

Just remove the mirrors

[@Traxxion]

You gave me an idea.

[@armandogonzales9304]

Be careful of your terminology. It's not a 'wheel' you are turning.

[@Traxxion]

There's no need to be careful of anything. You are definitely turning the wheel. If you weren't your bike would go straight and crash.