MAYA 2023 - Autodesk is trying ...sort of? Boolean Improvements & More!

[@nickbrummer]

Those multicut %'s have been there for years. Either way, as a modeler I'm interested to see how powerful this new version is.

[@hartgameart]

Wow you're right. I went back to 2022 and it's at least there. I'm left wondering why it's in the 2023 documentation as a new feature. Wondering if there is something specific about it that's different or what

[@santiagosancho2317]

Yeah I was looking at it and I thought, wait... isn't that how it works now? xD

[@kevkas]

​@@hartgameart I can't remember but I believe it was also present in even the previous-to-2022 version (2020 was it? if I remember correctly they skipped version 2021), perhaps they just forgot to advertise it then, I usually use everything default (except for some colors) and it's been there for multicut for a long time now.

[@TGSuineg]

@hart a lot of the new features in 2023 were already added to 2022.1 and .2 patches, like the deformers and animation caching. You can check this on their patch notes. I was actually confused whether they meant that there were further improvements or if they just pretended like it's new. I think the only things that are actually new are the blue pencil, retopology improvements (apparently they collaborated with the 3dsmax team for that yet it still guves worse results than 3ds), boolean layers, and random fixes. Honestly, this feels like 2022.4 than 2023. It would also make more sense for the current year. P.S. also Arnold 7 seems to give worse results when denoising using Optix than 6 (and is slower). I made a post on the Arnold renderer forums and the devs seemed dumbfounded. Their solution was to basically use Intel's Oidn denoiser instead.

[@hartgameart]

@@TGSuineg I agree seeing that a lot of the updates were just incremental 2022 updates makes this feel like another 2022 patch rather than a new version. That sucks to hear about the arnold issues hopefully that can be addressed.

[@pinkpuff8562]

Im a student, or rather as of today, Im not a student since I just graduated my country’s equivilence of high school, but that is beside the point. I have been using maya for like a year, I think maya could be a great competitor for other programs. But it costs SOOO FUCKING MUCH. Even the ”light” or LT version of maya, costs too damn much. I know they mostly get their money from big studios that want a cohesive program. But as for me who want to continue using the full version of maya without having to pay absurd prices, it is a really big letdown. I have used Zbrush, Blender, 3DSP, 3DSD, and used Maya for a sort of intermedium program for my work. But honestly, 5k dollars for 3 years. That shit is beyond wack. Either they lower the prices, or they WILL get outcompeted without a doubt in the long run, since they are no longer a the equivilent of a monopoly.

[@cycon124]

8:18 thats not new multicut with shift shows percentage way back 2018

[@MUSIC-et6zx]

u can make a triangle in quad draw mode, make a square then just snap the vertices together by dragging one ontop of the other i believe

[@ihabiano]

Been using Maya for 10 solid years. I think you're on point on many points. May could improve only one thing and call it a year... meanwhile blender and many other software that are 10000% cheaper are working all year long to improve everything. As an educator, I get frustrated for those who graduate to start posting Maya a freakin arm and leg! And for what? Oh, single decent update every 4000 years?

[@stinosan]

If WetaM is coming to Maya as promised it would certainly strengthen Maya's position, even for Indie artists.

[@hartgameart]

I wasn't familiar with that but it sounds really cool. Definitely something to keep an eye out for

[@seandunderdale]

I dont think itll be cheap

[@TheHighFlys]

@@seandunderdale I plan to get it regardless cause I'm learning houdini so getting access to the most powerful tools for both software is a big game changer with their universal solver alone none the less tissue, lumberjack, best atmosphere & fire renders in the game and a wide array of other stuff, your cinematics for your projects would be next level.

[@sarah-janelambert8962]

Wake me up when they eventually get around to creating a native Apple silicon version of Maya.

[@DetectiveLobotomy]

ae/unreal live link to maya is such a good feature i love maya

[@hartgameart]

True those type of link features are really nice to have!

[@ammonn9930]

I use maya for near 10 years but last years i do basicly everything in zbrush and only retopo, uvs and weight painting in maya. Riggin with new rigging software of reallusionis its godlike 🤤

[@hartgameart]

This is my first time seeing reallusions. Looks really cool, will have to check that out!

[@aninosspro]

Will Maya still and will keep being an Industry standard because of all the animation future that blender doesn't have, and how it's flexible when it comes to working with other software like Zbrush and Substance and Blender and more

[@BattleBrotherCasten]

Animation in general is getting more and more automated with AI like alot of things will be.

[@aninosspro]

@TheWhiteWolf True, but the different between a multi-billionaire company and an open source project it's the amount of money they are ready to put on the table for scaling and I think we both know who will

[@RyanWeathers3D]

What is your preferred software for retopology?

[@hartgameart]

I like using Topogun because it’s what i’m use to. 3d coat is great too and has more versatility outside of just retopo

[@RyanWeathers3D]

@@hartgameart thank you!

[@juliankenning]

3dcoat retopo tools are probably the best you can get. Especially if your high res comes from Zbrush, you have the abillity to import Zbrush polygroups which then can be uses to hide parts/groups, which helps tremendously with complex overlapping parts. I used topogun since it's beginning, but eventually switched to 3dcoat at some point after giving it a thorough evaluation.

[@SVisionary]

Not sure I buy that the hair systems are fully replacing hair card systems for game design. Good update overall. Agree with your overall thoughts.

[@Kogirius]

The thing that pisses me off the most is their discrepancy in retopo tools with THEIR OTHER products - 3dsmax. They have imployed some amazing new bought retopo tools over the recent time, and I see absolutely no reason for them to withhold that for Maya.

[@hartgameart]

It is sort of strange isn't it. Either way you're using an Autodesk product so I don't really know why they wouldn't try to bring the best tools they can to each software. Retopo in general is a funny one to me because the best retopo programs are from very small teams/companies. It's always surprised me the big dogs haven't really invested in more advanced retopo tools when it's still such an integral part of the pipeline at least on the game art side.

[@TGSuineg]

They actually boast that they collaborated with the 3dsmax team for Maya's retopo improvement. And while it is better in 2023, it's nowhere near the same as 3dsmax.

[@doctorkj5640]

The problem with Autodesk and Maya is that Autodesk doesn't care about Maya at all. The most of their income is based on Autocad, inventor and other CAD and BIM software. it wouldn't come as a surprise that AD shuts down Maya development completely at some point in the next 3-5 years.

[@hartgameart]

I know my perspective is a bit biased since I'm coming at from the angle of game character art but I know vfx and some other areas of CG still rely on it much more heavily than I do. I wonder if something like that did happen where a lot of those folks would end up transitioning to or if it's just a case where there is so many different smaller packages that are so good at specific areas cg artists just continue to hop from software to software.

[@MichaelMarshall53]

Maya is the industry standard for film and TV which brings them a lot of money. I think you are underestimating the importance of Maya in that space. Autodesk will not be getting rid of Maya.

[@11alekon]

Maya is the go to software for animation

[@eternalguy6023]

What happen if blender get trillion dollars like adsk It's beyond imagination B3d 's updates are so awesome And search function added in blender years ago

[@timothyj67]

Live boolean subtract is stupid....You have to delete history for the cutter to disappear. Instead of like in Boxcutter in Blender where you can just apply the cutter...

[@imonymous]

Oh hai Vaush

[@dean3184]

MAYA's biggest flaw and weak point is its history. Coming from MAX, where history is not a thing, (the way it is in maya) maya crashes comparatively easy unless you are constantly deleting history. Its so frustrating. I believe that is the base cause why Booleans would crash maya in the past. It affects the entire program across almost every operation. Not that Max is perfect, but now that I've used both programs, if i could choose, max would be my pick...for modeling anyway

[@dean3184]

MAX is actaully rocking it. Its more efficient at modeling and doesn't crash easily whatsoever. No history to delete, and your modeling stays non-destructive. Same tools, only just a little different. Max has had Pro Boolean for years now. anyway...illl stop ranting

[@hartgameart]

I don’t disagree with you. I was mostly just stoking the coals of the age old rivalry in this video. I’m currently at a max first studio and there are some VERY efficient modelers, i’m definitely impressed

[@dean3184]

@@hartgameart I am a 14 year max user and got a new job using maya. I’ll just say…. It’s been painful lol but I search out maya videos because I want to be as good as I was in max. Thanks for your reply bro

[@hartgameart]

@@dean3184 Haha same for me but with Max. I’m reaping what I sowed

[@dean3184]

@@hartgameart haha I might hit you up sometime if I get stumped

[@tlilmiztli]

What "hundreds and hundreds of dollars"? Maya Indie license costs $290 a YEAR. thats less then 25 bucks a month... I moved to Maya from Blender because I had enough of mediocrity at each possible step. And I used Blender since 2.5 so about 12+ years or so.

[@hartgameart]

I agree with you 25 a month isn't bad and certainly better than the insane flex system they offer. It would be nice to see them let people pay that monthly instead of upfront but still you're right. You would know better than me for sure if the frustration of using blender is worth the cost of maya. That's something I really want to dive into more this year. I could spend more time with blender and end up totally eating my words in this video.

[@BattleBrotherCasten]

Ironic because Blender 3.0 changed everything and now Blender 3.3 is awww some! Blender 4.0 will be ridiculous. Bet money. Also you didn’t factor in how expensive proper Maya plugins cost and to keep up Maya NEEDS plugins.

[@hamy30keys]

Auto desk is full of shit. They should have made it available for everyone around the world. Some of us have no choice but to use pirated copies due to restrictions in buying in some regions. Not everyone can access a reseller.

[@hartgameart]

I had no idea certain regions are limited in their access. Seems like a company as large as autodesk should be able to offer direct to consumers in pretty much any country.

[@SubKiller]

yeah i wanna start animating and i got pirated maya 2023. still deciding if its okay to go with it or just start with blender

[@hartgameart]

@@SubKiller If you want to work on games/movies one day I would say it's definitely worth it to learn maya. One good thing about animation is once you understand the fundamentals on how to understand curves and what not it's pretty translatable to any other software.

[@dougjohnson1517]

Maya is a teetering house of cards that Autodesk ads shiny new cards on top of but never fixes the foundation. But if they tried that they'd have to admit it should be rebuilt from the ground up. XSI WAS that solid base they should've used, but they bought it and murdered it. Autodesk suuuuuucks.

[@dringoringo8968]

ts like maya 2023 or whatever continues to not accept the future is parametric and offers seperate tools that do a part of the job not the whole job like houdini, till it faces that fact and builds a houdini type node editor with sweep mesh and booleans and filletted booleans panelling , full cad nurbs to poly, spline curves,and layered sculpt and layered paint, and remessh all in the same history stack with physics its just a piecemeal program that annoys the operator

[@PauloHenriqueVFX]

Slow development, almost dead, it's sad that I had to try blender for some months from now and you see so much development and new things in blender, maya is digging its grave with this lazyness, you don't just listen to the users, you had to watch closely the market, blender, housdini, zbrush, substance 3d, you need to surprise the customer that pays thousands of dollars

[@hgzmatt]

All of these programs are nice.. but they still haven't replaced Maya for me. There are some really good hard surface workflows in blender, but for general purpose stuff and UVing Maya still beats Blender. Houdini is also useful, but only for certain things. Same for Zbrush.. same for Substance. They are all specialized, but don't solve the everyday issues. I find myself using all of them and I do wish I could just replace them with one software. Maybe one day?

[@inkman002]

I think Autodesk should just sell maya. (And mudbox) Autodesk has over 90 softwares and they're not giving them the attention they should be getting. Compared to other companies with less programs who can give that individualized attention. Im getting cat lady vibes, they're just hoarding softwares.

[@alligatoralligator]

each software has it's own development team, autodesk is BIG.

[@inkman002]

@@alligatoralligator autodesk is huge! Maybe too huge. Mudbox hasn't received any new "real" updates in years. Id really hate to think theres a whole development team just sitting around trying to figure out how to change the year number in the title.

[@ProjectAtlasmodling]

@@alligatoralligator they probably have a 100 devs in total being haphazardly through around all there programs. If each software had a full time team on them they would out pase blender but it's clear they don't. Put simply if your a monopoly why put effort into your product when you're the only supplier?

[@hamuArt]

They bought Softimage just to kill... Under Alias, Maya made huge leaps with all versions, while being very stable. When it was acquired by Autodesk, many key developers left, and this was reflected in the instabilities that emerged, the odd decisions, and the lack of focus. A simple example of how out of touch they often were with the capabilities of their own software. A free retopo tool called FroRetopo was released. It easily beat Maya's retopo capabilities at the time, both in functionality and bug-free. The joke was that this tool used 100% native Maya functions. To do this, May retopo was often janky, or found the wrong surface, often unable to find a simple quad along the nearest vertexcies... Or there was the Viewcube, which worked perfectly in the old Maya, and then Atudesk came along and integrated the crappy Max version and killed the old one. The feedback was in vain that they gutted the most important functionality out of it and made it completely useless. They ignored it, and in the end they phased it out, saying nobody uses it.........

[@sarah-janelambert8962]

Booleans still create crap geometry.

[@hartgameart]

can’t argue that 😂