Why The MCU Succeeded and The DCEU Failed

The Marvel Cinematic universe, a film franchise that was kicked off by Robert Downey Jr’s Iron Man 1 in 2008 and in December of 2021 released it’s 27th film, Spider-Man No Way Home. The DC Extended Universe kicked off in 2013 with Zack Snyder’s Man of Steel and in 2021 released its 11th film with James Gunn’s The Suicide Squad. Today we discuss the real reason as to why the MCU succeeded and why the DCEU has forever been in their shadow.
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[@danyschcaptain680]

Fun fact: Green Lantern (2011) was supposed to be the first film to start the DCEU but since it failed miserably at the box office, Man of Steel became the first movie to start the DCEU!

[@MistaJ28]

Well thank god for that.

[@danyschcaptain680]

@@MistaJ28 If you think about it, the main reason why Green Lantern failed so badly at the box office was because of WB. I agree with the fact that the CGI wasn’t so good at times in the movie and the other factors that were criticized however, it was WB’s fault in replacing Greg Berlanti with Martin Campbell and screwing up the movie big time. Had Berlanti stayed as director, the movie could’ve been better received at the box office in 2011.

[@wickdaline8668]

Go figure.

[@Notaloophole47]

@@danyschcaptain680 And 6 years later WB made the same mistake

[@MistaJ28]

@@danyschcaptain680 Very true. I remember how the director said many times how his movie got butchered so badly. But to be honest, Zack Snyder gave a pretty great start for the universe actually. I dont know if im biased but, i dont think the movie would've been "Man of Steel level good" for the beginning of the universe. But still i agree entirely. WB f*cked up big time and they still havent learn a single thing from their mistakes.

[@cy9884]

Two words: Warner Bros.

[@TheReelNerdyReview]

🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[@jakubegly2976]

yes

[@kaustubhpalkar792]

Fun fact: George Miller's cancelled justice league mortal movie was also going to start a DC cinematic universe (maybe even before the MCU). It's a shame that movie was cancelled.

[@G59METH]

Nah, JLM script was done in June 2007 while Iron Man was done filming in July 2007

[@kaustubhpalkar792]

@@G59METH maybe

[@erikricardoboscolo4779]

Miller's cast for his JL is absolute GARBAGE. Yet, people criticize Zack's cast and beg to see Miller's version.

[@G59METH]

@@kaustubhpalkar792 I know it for sure

[@kaustubhpalkar792]

@@G59METH that's ok

[@Chillllllllllllllllllllllll]

The Marvel Cinematic Universe is like opening up a fresh new book and reading from Chapter 1 all the way to chapter 23. The DCEU is like opening up a book and flipping through chapters like your in a choose your own adventure. You start from Chapter 1, Green Lantern, you didn't like it so you tore it out, start on Chapter 2, skip to 17, go all the way to 25, read the epilogue, went to 3, went to 5, gone to the store to buy the directors cut, read it, burnt it, and bought book 3. Maybe I'm overexaggerating but you get my point

[@t.c.g.thecentregod2809]

I’d rather read the mcu book

[@MSgt_0699]

But there is a context that has always been missing here. The MCU can be seen as a fresh new book where one begins with Chapter 1. This is because, since 2008, Marvel has introduced for the first time each character. There really wasn't anything before the MCU. The DCEU could not do this, because DC had spent decades successfully exhausting their characters in movies and on mainstream television since 1978. Did one need to see another Batman origin movie prior to seeing him in BvS? 1989's Batman and 2005's Batman Begins wasn't enough? And do people really need to be told who Flash and Wonder Woman are? Who was lost while watching these characters in Justice League? No, DC had to hit the ground running. Any time spent "introducing" these characters (again) would have been boring. WB just panicked over the obnoxious critical reaction that "it's not like Marvel." Do people actually think that when Marvel/Disney reboots their universe into the next iteration, that they will make origin films for every character again? Probably not. Are we simply done with Iron man, or will people get the chance to whine about "not my" Iron Man?

[@E.h.a.n]

@@t.c.g.thecentregod2809 same

[@projectx7453]

Ikr

[@theminotaur8015]

Your standards are pretty low. Marvel comics and their movies are just boring kiddie trash. The movies are even worse...Predictable, too many bad jokes, pretty colors, bad acting, and even worse story arcs.

[@siddharthasg52]

Dceu should keep their main focus on the films and have spinoff shows that air all over the world and not US only. They should push their comics too.

[@muhammadalikhan7244]

The main reason why DCEU failed is Warner Brothers and The Producers itself meanwhile MCU is having a great success because of Kevin Feige himself. I hope Zaslav saves the major IPs like DC and Wizarding World

[@siddharthasg52]

Our problem is our unity. We fight amongst ourselves. We need to accept Robert and Ben as Batman, and not compare them. They are 2 very different batmans Rob is in his second year whereas Ben has already completed 20 years. We should stop being toxic and start accepting things as a united fan base.

[@danyschcaptain680]

💯💯💯

[@Technoid10]

Thank you

[@abhinavsingh2196]

The problem is not with fans . Its the studio's double standard treatment wid. their directors

[@siddharthasg52]

@@abhinavsingh2196 exactly. The studio got to us fans and tore us apart. We need to unite.

[@P.Whitestrake]

Only a handful of people shitting on The Batman among Snyder fans. Mostly, they're just pointing WB hypocrisy & how imbalance their treatment was to Snyder compared to Reeves. Reeves was allowed to make the movie he wanted to make with a little to none of interference, whilst Snyder was constantly interfered like cutting the runtime, re-editing, & massive reshots. Also how mute they're when the fans demand their apology & restoring Snyder's vision.

[@TheLordOfTheNight321]

I hope Ben Affleck's performance as Batman is not the last in the Flash movie. I hope he and Henry Cavill return. We all want to see the whole DC universe fight against Darkside. It would be amazing just like Avenger's Endgame was.

[@Anon-xz6hu]

Yes, i think ben Afflecks is best suited for the dark batman.

[@chimpo961]

@@Anon-xz6hu apparently the Batman movie has given a good dark tone character especially the story arc which Ben's character had his chance

[@jkq2006]

They messed up by not allowing zack snydrers original cuts and them abandoning the original JL storyline. Look how well the new batman and its just as dark as the snyder movies.

[@chimpo961]

@@jkq2006 on its own terms, there are shows and movies that are more darker than Zack Snyder's DC films like Brightburn, and the boys and which that TV series goes all out and season 3 is about to go further than ever

[@Deeznutsyourmom]

With the merger coming he’s still gonna be Batman

[@P.Whitestrake]

The biggest difference is on the management side. MCU, whether you love or hate the films, has a great management. Even in behind-the-scene. There were some problems within MCU like the replacement of War Machine & Hulk actors, but as you can see now, lots of people already forget about it. Phase 1 was criticised by many critics & even some critics who got death threats from MCU fans on facebook for criticising MCU films. But Marvel Studios didn't chicken out, nor they tried to alienate their diehard fans. They didn't get panic so bad. They stayed on track to finish the infinity stones storyline despite what critics & haters said, then it slowly evolved from there to this point. WB messed up big time because of some critics who were obviously leaning to MCU & Nolan's Batman trilogy. So, when DC presented something new & different from those 2, their subconscious automatically rejected it. Then WB panicked & changed track too drastically & too quickly. They scrapped Snyder's vision & changed the films' tones so drastically. They couldn't handle the behind-the-scene problems like their treatment to Ray Fisher & Gal Gadot, the interference on Snyder's & Ayer's works, also the fact that WB bosses refused to make Joker & the director had to fight them to film it. They handled it badly, it got big on social media. They also tried to alienate the diehard fans who's been loyal to them since MoS. Everything fell apart & then they used Multiverse as a gimmick to win over both the fans & the critics, which actually created a bigger division in DC film fandom. Now there's a "civil war" because of that bloody gimmick.

[@theminotaur8015]

Marvel comics, and their movies, are just kiddie trash. I'm not afraid to say it...

[@JulyYunico]

@@theminotaur8015 Now say it again without crying

[@theminotaur8015]

@@JulyYunico What is there to cry about? 😁😁 Also, still waiting for Marvel movies to win awards. LMAO

[@JulyYunico]

@@theminotaur8015 Twitter voting poll awards 🤣

[@DanteAlighieri612]

@@theminotaur8015 it wasn't trash it's just that not good. MCU is good at interconnecting their movies but the story is too predictable and the overuse jokes made it worst, Marvel comics full of sjw and shit, they didn't even know what they are going to do with it, the even retcon spider-man story like how DC made to their comics and how they retcon characters. Even dark horse and archie comics has even better more compelling storyline than Marvel

[@jereladjohnson]

DCEU issues has been consistency, that's 100% correct. I see no problem with JL being the 3rd film as the characters can their solo films after then team up movie, which is what they did.

[@larry2281]

I think the consistency issues mainly come down with Warner Brothers.

[@bismarsyauqie7885]

After watching a lot of MCU movies, i can't denied whether you hated it or loved it, the MCU in term of management have been pretty consistent so far. Its like reading a book, where each chapter or in this case movie, start out in their own world or stories, but in the end they managed to connect into one single multiverse and managed to form one cohessice storyline. Something that Hamade DC Universe was lacking, while i can't denied a lot of Post Snyder DCEU movies were good like Wonder Woman 1, Aquaman, Shazam, Suicide Squad 2021,and The Peacemaker. But each of their movies felt like they lived in their own world, sure there are some cameos from previous movies, but a lot of the movies felt more like a bunch of good stand a lone movies that lived in their own world, we know they seems to took place in the same universe, but the universe as a whole didn't had a clear direction on what i want to be. While i also can't denied that not every MCU movies were good, some bad ones like Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2, Thor:The Dark World, Avengers:Age of Ultron, Captain Marvell, and Black Widow, and some divisive one like Iron Man 3 and Eternals, But the rest are range from enjoyable to straight up masterpice, with the universe itself had a clear vision and direction and where they want to be, even till this day, they managed to pull it off with Phase 4.

[@chrisgreig98]

There's several reasons, the main being studio interference but as much as many fans don't want to acknowledge it, you can't deny just how much a large portion of the MCU fanbase played a huge factor in many of DC's failures. These people are the one's who would shit on anything DC (and non MCU Marvel films) regardless of how good it was, and that was a huge problem for many films during their theatrical runs. Then the critics who clearly favoured the MCU done it with everything, not just DC. Sony/Fox films, any film that tried to create a cinematic universe, it didn't matter to them as it wasn't Disney Marvel, so they would trash it. The irony is that if you took something like X-Men: Apocalypse (which people hated) and you kept everything exactly the same but slapped a Marvel Studios logo on it, critics would've loved it, which in turn would've swayed fans as it has that all important logo attached to it. It seems to be calming down now, but from around 2012-2019 anything non MCU related outside of a few films was basically doomed.

[@DigigodGamer]

so true they played a huge part hated what synder was doing bcuz it was mcu with dc heros

[@Rex-yp1qb]

This changed the movie industry forever.

[@movethebox1503]

Facts

[@erikricardoboscolo4779]

@@Rex-yp1qb meaning...everything they did or have done is right?

[@erikricardoboscolo4779]

it took a force3d 2-year gap in their string to people realize that Marvel wasn't the big thing, they made the bandwagon and became the bandwagon. now I feel the very 'Marvel-ism' has been phased out.

[@destroyer2158]

why marvel succeeded where dceu failed?easy:-marvel cared about its fans and gave us what we wanted and dc took and destroyed everything we loved

[@JaePharos]

I think you stated it very well. The MCU has just stayed consistent and it kept the audience United along the way. I’d say a little over half of the MCU films are mediocre but each feels important to the overall story which makes it mandatory viewing.

[@theminotaur8015]

Not really. MCU just milked everyone for money. People just have low standards for everything now...Movies, music, etc...Which is precisely why Marvel and their movies still exist.

[@JaePharos]

@@theminotaur8015 I do agree that people have a short attention span and would add that social media and word of mouth helped propel the MCU into the spotlight it’s currently in. I will have to respectfully disagree on everything else.

[@theminotaur8015]

@@JaePharos There's a reason why Marvel movies will never win awards like DC always has...Just sayin.

[@thehobbyist7275]

@@theminotaur8015 But if you ask me, is an Oscar really more of an acclaim than consistently loved by fans or the viewers? I'm not saying that movies awards aren't significant, but I feel- especially since the last DC Oscar anything was Joker, that the fans and viewers are more important. But that's just me

[@thenukeanims]

@@theminotaur8015 Nah. Love by fans and getting all the attention around the world is more important and loving than getting a small statue

[@nerds3k]

if we look carefully, the movies after JL 2017 all have a major creative control given to directors and have proven to be actually good.... unfortunately the damage by WB in Josstice League was big enough to undermine even the consistency 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@ethankillion786]

The Marvel Cinematic Universe, perhaps the most successful franchise of all time, strikes the right balance by (1) selecting for experienced inexperience, (2) leveraging a stable core, (3) continually challenging the formula, and (4) cultivating customers' curiosity.

[@keenanturner8808]

The formula is the same

[@lyricsassam]

@@keenanturner8808 Ah, a Martin Stan I see

[@lyricsassam]

@@keenanturner8808 tell me Iron Man, Ant Man, and Thor had the same formula. Tell me Captain America, Black Panther, doctor strange had the same formula.

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

Marvel is the most formulaic of them all. they haven't challenged a thing

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

@Lyrics Assam Lol. everyone of marvels movies are the same formula. you must be on drugs if you can't see that

[@callmestorm23]

I really hope the Snyderverse gets restored but only on HBO Max. Have WB continue their DCEU by releasing them in cinemas, while Zack Snyder can release his full vision on HBO Max only. And we'll see which one is superior.

[@Deeznutsyourmom]

The Snyder verse would make more $$$ on HBO max

[@anthonyroper3042]

like an elseworld timeline

[@mohammadmirza84]

No

[@nerds3k]

if snyderverse is restored, there is no chance it will be on HBO Max..... $300M can't be recovered along with profit on streaming..... it will be theatrical canon only if restored

[@hogscattle7877]

DCEU will never be superior if the Snyder verse is confined to HBO Max. The Snyder verse is the DCEU. It connected the rest of the JL characters so all DCEU directors need to continue sharing it. That’s the issue we’re currently facing

[@renofry]

The DCEU can still be successful simply just by #RestoringTheSnyderverse. I think if WB gets their act together now under the new Discovery management, anything is possible. Never say never. People laughed at Snyder Cut fans saying the movie didn't exist and is now we're the ones laughing with it being the number one streamed film of 2021 across the globe. I also say quality over quantity, more movies doesn't necessarily equate to the MCU franchise being better, most of their movies are average to good at best, and a few like Thor Ragnarok and Eternals are just downright stinkers like TSS and WW84 of the DCEU. For me personally, MOS, BvS:UE, and ZSJL are miles ahead of all four Avengers films any day of the week.

[@mattphoenix7816]

As much as I want to see more of the Synderverse…. I think that time has passed, not enough people are interested in it, and with flash, black Adam, and AQUAMAN being delayed just reboot with PATTINSON’S universe.

[@jbbrolic]

The Snyder films were nowhere near as successful as they should have been with the characters. There is an over representation of Snyder fans online that does not reflect the general movie watching audience. Overall, the fun, somewhat faithful takes on the characters in the MCU hit more than the morbid, pretentious Snyder films which bastardized most of the heroes and some of the villains (Lex Luthor.)

[@lyricsassam]

I was about to comment something opposite, then I saw your username...anyways, very good stuff mate...keep going 🤐

[@TTx04xCOBRA]

Snyder is trash though

[@jbbrolic]

@@TTx04xCOBRA yeah Snyder's work since (the OK but not great) 2009 Watchmen has been awful This retcon that the Snyder DC trilogy were smash hit blockbusters (and didn't fall way short of what movies featuring the characters should have made) is getting ridiculous.

[@Elindel]

Also Warner Bros still does not care what the fans want. It is what the executives want. Which doesn't make sense because fans bring in the money.

[@wickdaline8668]

What went wrong with the DCEU could be said for the SW sequel trilogy as well when it comes to consistency.

[@thewolverine6219]

You also have to remember that DC was trying to do the whole universe before Marvel did

[@P.Whitestrake]

I remember the canceled JL movie back then. Canceled because of the writers strike. Then WB management kept acting like pussies by avoiding live-action adaptations of DC characters in the big screen except for Batman.

[@danielkeller1337]

When aren't they pussies

[@kaustubhpalkar792]

@@P.Whitestrake it was cancelled not because of the writer's strick. Even after the writer's strick they continued on it but later during the start of production WB decided to cancel it.

[@puichiung2959]

@@kaustubhpalkar792 I recall the cancellation was because Australia denied WB the tax incentives for filming there.

[@kaustubhpalkar792]

@@puichiung2959 i Heard that the tax problem was later solved and then they were going to start the shooting but WB cancelled it because of green lantern's failure

[@ApolloXL5]

In my opinion, the films that came out after Josstice League can still have happened after Zack Snyder's Justice League since they do not contradict with what happened in JL. (the only film that contradicts anything from BvS and JL is WW84).

[@saifurrahman3420]

And Aquaman.

[@thegameolorian3797]

This video is so good, bruh. Really well made and I agree with the consistency part. A cinematic universe should have a consistent tone and style. You can't make it really dark in one movie and do a switch-a-ru in the next movie. And most importantly, listen to your audience. If a character is handled poorly and want said character improve in the next movie, listen to them and do it. If a movie is extremely dark, like Batman Returns type of dark, and want the next movie to be just a tiny bit less darker, guess what? Listen to your audience and do it. Your audience, aka the consumer are the one paying tickets to see your movie. You can't please them all, sure, but make it very clear to them that, yes you are listening. Being listened to and understood by those who control a massive cinematic universe is something that don't happen too often, but when it does, man does it feel good 😌

[@ChrisPeteG]

The legacy of individual DC films like The Dark Knight, Man of Steel, Watchmen, Joker, The Batman, Zack Snyder's Justice League, Wonder Woman.....those individual legacies will always collectively outshine and outweigh anything that the "Biggest TV show ever committed to the big screen" approach of the MCU brings to the table. Marvel had one decade where there films definitively outshined DC at the Box Office(but not always in quality)....but almost everything outside of that decade, before and after...DC pretty consistently wins out in quality and a good portion of the time wins the Box Office Battle. A 3 Hour Batman mystery out-sold Black Widow, Venom 2, Shang Chi, and Eternals. An R rated crime thriller about Joker made $1 Billion dollars. Sure, No Way Home was huge and Multiverse of Madness will be huge...but those tricks won't last forever. Zack Snyder's Justice League has attracted sustained attention and support that no Marvel movie ever gets. Marvel films come and go and you are looking towards the next one as soon as one is over, like a TV show. Snyder's Justice League is a year old and the hype and attention is STILL here, and the movement to get sequels is still pushing forward. That inspires a level of dedication in the fanbase that Marvel films don't....Marvel films are just there and will always be there and will always have a disposable sense about them.

[@rocket4359]

Did you just say a Batman movie outsold Eternals? and Shang Chi? really? that's where you are going? you are comparing Batman to characters even comic nerds don't even know about? and when did DC consistently win in Box Office?

[@ChrisPeteG]

I was making a point that a 3 hour, non action oriented Batman myster crushed the Box Office gross of 4 out of 5 Marvel based properties released in 2021. It blew past all of the recent offerings of the MCU. Illustrating that in a post Endgame world the MCU doesn't have nearly as much evergreen luster. And Box Office Batttle is case by case. The Dark Knight dump trucked all 5 films that built to Avengers. Suicide Squad outgrossed upstarts like Guardians of the Galaxy and Doctor Strange. There are a lot of ways to compare. Sure. The biggest Marvel crossovers outgrossed DC films but DC often didn't have comparable titles. Man of Steel outgrossed every Phase 1 movie before Avengers. BvS outgrossed everything that wasn't Avengers or Iron Man. Suicide Squad outdid pretty much in the same spot. Aquaman was trash and it still hit $1 Billion which a lot of Marvel movies didn't. Joker made $1 Billion which also puts it above most Marvel films. Ant-Man on a great day can't reach the Box Office of middle of the road Aquaman and Suicide Squad movies. Wonder Woman 2017 was miles better than crap like Captain Marvel, whether you want to look at the Box Office or not. The Oscars made a "cheer moment" category just for Marvel to win and Flash reversing time won it. Snyder's Justice League was BETTER than pretty much any Avengers movie, and was better than No Way Home and will leave a much larger mark than No Way Home. Marvel movies show up and burn brightly while they are around...but as individual movies they don't have a ton of staying power. This is coming from someone who loves both, I saw No Way Home multiple times in theaters. I am not biased...the two are different types of films. The MCU as a collective package is huge and bigger than any shared DC films. But in terms of measuring the brands, and all of the films they have put on screen, and the individual impact those films leave collectively....DC as a brand is stronger. Marvel physically and literally CAN NOT make a movie like Joker. They CAN NOT make a movie like The Batman or The Dark Knight. They are incapable of that level of cinema. Marvel makes movies. DC makes films. Both have good and bad entries, but there is a distinction there.

[@SuperSteph5]

People like to ignore when DC puts out a good movie it does well at the box office. Aquaman out of all characters made a billion at the box, I don't think Captain America, Thor or Ironman would be able to do that completely by themselves.

[@ChrisPeteG]

@@SuperSteph5 Precisely. A relatively low number of Marvel movies exceeded $1 Billion worldwide. Movies like Aquaman and Joker doing it puts them above most Marvel films.

[@dimitryanyanwu7681]

but that's not the point, if you are an investor and we're looking to invest on either yhe MCU or the DCEU everyone would pick the MCU because of consistant success unlike the DCEU or WB who keep letting themselves and fans down, no one is going to be looking at The batman box office success at tge box office who let's be honest got that from SNWH saving the cinemas. The DEUC can be a lot better if they are not under WB cause their comics are very good

[@thedetective8934]

Comes down to planning, the MCU took their time to craft their universe, practically 11 years with movies characters all set up. DC by rushing their project created major issues in their projects highlighted by BVS and Justice League in which the extended versions are far superior product. My view is I don't think the DCEU will ever be able to truly compete with marvel, without have a vision and proper time line to build up to.

[@lanternmatt2002]

Disney/Marvel Studios aren't always "high and mighty" they stepped in during filming of X-Men: Dark Phoenix originally, Dark Phoenix had Skrulls as the main villain and an explosive ending in space with the Skrull armada, resulting in a final battle on the front lawn of a government building Marvel Studios decided to take this plot device, use it for their Ms Marvel film and told Fox to rewrite/reshoot the ending and change the villain Marvel Studios purposely making a Marvel film look bad to fans just to make it "easier" for them to reboot the entire X-Men franchise? maybe

[@puichiung2959]

I didn't like how the Skrulls we're changed from their comic versions as bad guys to being good guys in Captain Marvel, but it sounds like Skrulls would've been bad guys in X-Men Dark Phoenix, which I would've preferred compared to what we got.

[@raulramirez8515]

Bruhh, they bought fox and they have plans for skrulls, why would they let fox do villains that they were planning on doing and had a plan with?? Your reaching with the rest

[@lanternmatt2002]

@@raulramirez8515 this happened before Disney bought Fox

[@raphaelpyngrope9834]

Love this channel so much...fast updated dceu and mcu news ...and very much trusted

[@dudewithachannel1163]

As a marvel fan, I hope the DCU does well and earns the audience the DC characters deserve. Getting James Gunn to make the films was a great choice, he understands super heros better than most at hollywood

[@Tom-_-Hanks]

If Warner Bros would have just stuck with Zack Snyder's dark serious movies then they'd be better off. But they had to go and fight Zack Snyder, ruin the vision that they paid him to set up, and now they're going to reset the DCEU and explore a more colorful and comical timeline. Marvel Studios is starting to get into the more dark and serious stuff. Then they're going to have both the light hearted stuff and and the dark serious stuff in different parts of the MCU.

[@neilmendrico5262]

and this is why i’ve been pushing for Snyder’s Vision since after JL 2017, he had a CONSISTENT plan for DC and WB just dropped him in a snap because of their own bs they started(BvS tampering) and I even thought at that time it was Zack’s fault but turns out I was mad at the wrong person.

[@cheekster777]

Really good video. Thank you.

[@sd71000]

I almost entirely agree with you on this. I wish WB understood that the MCU had worse box office numbers pre-Avengers than the DCEU had before Justice League. As I watched the end of Zack Snyder's Justice League, I immediately thought, "Man. This would have been DC's Avengers. This would have been the movie that put the DCEU on the map as a force to be reckoned with." The Dark Knight Trilogy had already established a powerful presence, with two movies that made over a billion dollars. DC could have leveraged that kind of confidence into something great. But they didn't trust the man Christopher Nolan handpicked to start the universe, Zack Snyder. They needed to listen to the constructive criticisms (and I had some of those myself, though I love MoS and BvS), but stay the course. Now, they've gotten so scattershot about what they're doing. Post-JL, one has to ask, is it a shared universe, or are these loosely connected films pretending to be? Looking at The Suicide Squad and WW84, one wonders. (TSS had to grow on me a bit, and I always liked WW84, but they're such drastic departures from their predecessors that it smacks of desperation to move away from the tone of two films that both made good money, which is strange.) WB needs to get out of its own way. There are signs of life, like the good critical buzz generated by The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker recently--who knows? Maybe it'll get better. My only point of dissent is the notion that the DCEU was "rushed". Compared to the path leading up to The Avengers, it's not so far off. You had Iron Man, Iron Man 2 (which introduced Black Widow and had a plot somewhat similar to BvS in the broad strokes), Thor (which introduced Hawkeye), The Incredible Hulk, and Captain America. Avengers was the sixth movie in, but there were no standalone movies/stories for two of their members until 2021. Just as Seven Samurai didn't need standalone films for each samurai, Justice League didn't need standalone films for each hero. JL was fifth in the lineup, and Bats, Supes, and WW had been introduced. It was safe to say that DC's heroes were well known enough that a Flash or Cyborg movie wasn't strictly needed for audiences to understand who they were. Anybody familiar with the Arrowverse or Teen Titans wouldn't need an origin story for them. Still, the way ZSJL set it up, it would feed right into having Cyborg, Green Lantern, Aquaman and Flash movies afterwards. Had they stayed the course, I bet those would've been well received. Yet another Batman movie wasn't needed, though it would have been amazing, no doubt. Wonder Woman and Superman both had their standalone movies. It would have been a unique mixture that preserved a shared universe without trying to absolutely mimic Marvel, plus all of it would have fed right into Justice League 2 and 3. All that said, I like both franchises, and I don't think it ought to be either/or. I hope that in a few more years, there will be some great stuff coming from both studios, no matter what.

[@sd71000]

Me reading the length of this comment: "Jesus, he is tall."

[@t.c.g.thecentregod2809]

Everything you said in this video I been saying in my mind!!! The reason I liked the tone within both the mcu and dceu is because I fell in love with the tones of both, I fell in love with the tone of the avengers and loved the consistent tone after, loved the tone within man of steel but did a complete 180 with josstice league. The mcu is important to me because ever since the avengers I’ve had the same feeling with all the other mcu films, sadly can’t say the same for the dceu, I hope the snyderverse gets restored

[@nerds3k]

if we think about the current scenario, DCEU can be merged into the "snyderverse" even now... If WB wants to focus on individual stories, they can do that and rebuild the hype... then snyder can do the darkseid invasion stories with some adjustments whenever they want🤩🤩... yes Michael Keaton and Affleck situation can be a mess but obviously there can be some solution for that too🤔

[@TheFanClubReview]

Also because one tried to be like the other instead of being unique.

[@Dog1167]

that was only because of wb

[@StrongArmFlix]

Love the content your making keep up the good work

[@59master60]

At least Zack Snyder’s Justice League won an Oscar.

[@nutsfromberserk247]

As if Oscars mean anything

[@shubhangbahadur7112]

Had Christian Bale’s Batman been the official Batman of the DCEU fans would’ve got incentive to watch the movies. Fans fell in love with RDJ’s Iron Man and it was this love which made them watch Thor and Captain America: The First Avenger. Sadly Bale’s version was winded up before DCEU could be started.

[@Ezees23]

There's been upwards of ~17 movies between just Batman and Superman - and this just since the late '70's. They still haven't done either of them exactly right nor have they established a coherent univers. Sad.

[@matthewpotts6633]

Agree 100%. The constant change of tone is the biggest factor with DCEU’s consistency. Let’s hope the it gets restored to its original vision.

[@lilbigfan3782]

As long they don’t use Superman son as the next Batman. Because that’s part of Zack Snyder vision. Let’s hope Zack use all his vision except for Superman son as the next Batman.

[@sridevimk]

beautifully explained! 🙌🏻

[@yoman274]

I love your content. Keep up the good work.

[@muqsit81]

Love the thumbnail , The Souls of the two universes ❤️

[@AJTV_Editz]

Marvel slapping DC: that’s how you make a cinematic universe

[@sagargon8233]

Very well summarised .. we need consistency.. snyderverse is the only available potential and fan liking to reach a consistent state.. hope discovery understand this.. Love and Respect to Marvel movies.

[@entityedgenetwork2252]

I love both DC and Marvel - I want them both to be equally successful.

[@soapparentlyyoucanchangeyo1449]

It's very depressing because I don't really like the MCU's silly tone, I don't hate it, but I'd much rather have serious DC films to go along side it

[@shantanushelar4173]

I understand your problem with light tone but marvel is also slowly starting to get dark not much but yes it is now I hope you are watching Moonknight and loving it because it is unique from rest of the mcu also Spider-Man no way home being a colorful movie was still bit dark and serious. Marvel is getting their audience ready for dark and serious movies with this small things where I think dceu is lacking in managing other tones

[@soapparentlyyoucanchangeyo1449]

@@shantanushelar4173 Yea it's just that ... all those movies can't be saved for me by making changes now, I'm happy for everyone who enjoyed them, just not my thing. Have to say the more serious tone in the Phase one movies was better for me, rewatch Cap 1 and count the forced jokes, there aren't really any, the comedy has niveau and the jokes are smart. Spiderman no way home in comparison wasn't funny whatsoever - for me, my opinion, it's not my humor

[@danielkeller1337]

Funny fact is now DC is actually winning now that it's out of WB's hands. It was winning under Snyder's universe as well, but those snotty WB executives had to take it from him just to make it worst. Now that Discovery along with Snyder are on the same page, and finally the same company things are really starting to look up.

[@larry2281]

I like Marvel and DC. I think the DCEU would have been better if WB was not involved. Both had a plan but one company did not allow the plan to be executed. I like Marvel but my main problem with then is the same old MCU formula for almost every film. It gets quite repetitive lol but it’s great for just the casual movie watcher. I never really noticed it growing up as I would goto the movies with my mom and have a good time. But when I rewatched them overtime. I slowly realized it. Its not bad because it certainly gets people to watch them. The one thing that also disappoints me is how overhyped some of the MCU films get. There are some great MCU movies but also a lot of mediocre ones but they all get hyped up to be like top tier comic book movies.

[@kaustubhpalkar792]

Can you please make one on George Miller's cancelled justice league mortal movie and how DC's cinematic universe could have been if that movie was the start of DC's cinematic universe.

[@jmbeats3308]

WB is an extremely reactive company. Instead of taking the time to confront problems and criticism, they immediately switch gears. It's that constant tone switching that makes it near impossible for me to immerse myself in any of the DCEU movies. Combined with their complete lack of understanding of their fanbase, it creates a depthless universe with no payoff. I love DC characters, and to see them butchered hurts me more than I can describe.

[@kevonbedford4078]

This entire video and you didn’t mention the most important factor…DC movie regardless of tone and consistency SUCKS!!…this is from someone that is in love with the justice league cartoons, I even still watch episodes…even movies that are supposedly good like the first Wonder Woman, for me was decent at best..I hated Shazam. Personally I think DC fans arguing about which version of the verse is better is taking away from that fact that both version isn’t good and was never going to be…the best thing they can do for DC now is to just scrap everything…wait a few years and start again..heck even starting a verse of the latest Batman movie would be better…it’s not a coincidence that every DC movie not part of the DCEU is better. DC have no excuses I’m sorry. Just look how successful basically every one of their cartoon version of DC heroes are.

[@kevonbedford4078]

Btw looking at your channel its clear you’re more of a DC fan than marvel regardless if you want to admit it or not but this isn’t me hating on DC…Yes I think Marvel heroes are more relatable and maybe easier to make movies for since their more grounded but i think what DC needed the most was to put someone in charge that’s actually in love with DC, not just grab the biggest name in the movie director role they could find.

[@timsoel566]

It might be unfair, but if Marvel anounces a project I get really excited. If DC anounces a project I reflexively push out my excitement. Not because I don't like it, I do, but I'm never sure wether it will be ever made. I don't think this is my fault or bias, I'm just burned one to many times.

[@blackcomicnerd3657]

DC constantly announces a movie is in development and doesn't come close to being made. At least when Marvel announces a movie, you'll get that movie within 2-3 years.

[@dosomestuff1949]

Exactly lmao

[@dosomestuff1949]

I remember back in 2015 when they announced infinity war and dc announced jl. I was so hyped but now…

[@theminotaur8015]

How exactly? DC has been making good everything. You Marvel kids are pathetic honestly.

[@danyschcaptain680]

4:53 I completely agree with the DC movies mentioned that were tampered by the studio. BvS, Suicide Squad, and Justice League were definitely faced with studio interference. However, I would also include Wonder Woman (2017) here too. The No Man’s Land scene was something the studio wanted to remove but with great difficulty, Patty Jenkins and Zack Snyder persuaded the studio to keep it. Also, the ending of that movie was also tampered with as Patty Jenkins had a different ending in mind and was forced by the studio to change it to the one we saw back in 2017. Therefore, Wonder Woman (2017) would also be listed among the movies tampered with by the studio.

[@rsolsjo]

I'm kind of glad DC didn't take off in a way. We probably wouldn't have stuff like The Suicide Squad, Joker or The Batman if it had. They still put an emphasis on "single" movies and directors visions, in that regard I think they're actually more "successful" than Marvel, who have to kind of crush everything into the same mass produced soup to fit a shared universe.

[@nikhilbisht9161]

If Warner brothers trust on their directors so maybe their directors can improve their mistakes from previous films for example Zack Snyder has improved his mistake in Zack Snyder justice league yeah his previous films like man of steel and bvs not worked well but it doesn't mean whole movies of marvel worked so well to entertain audience or critics like the incredible Hulk,thor the dark world,the eternals,black widow,age of Ultron and captain marvel but marvel studios didn't reboot anything and by trusting on Kevin feige they continue with their storylines in mcu. I am both Marvel and DC fan but feeling sad for DCEU is not on the level of MCU but I am hoping after discovery merger dceu directors could get freedom to direct their movies by their own no matter if some of them don't go well they just need to improve their mistakes.

[@saadmeer6293]

Exactly if this happens it is going to do some serious business

[@nikhilbisht9161]

@@saadmeer6293 Thanks for giving positive reply on my comment and by saying that my opinion is right. The DC and WB'S give up the trust on Zack Snyder and David Zaslav that's the reason they didn't continue their storylines and just to compete some of other marvel movies they destroyed their own characters completely.

[@saadmeer6293]

@@nikhilbisht9161 Nevermind bro...... We just want better DC movies.

[@TheDevelopmentPOD._.]

So true consistency is the key

[@Privatte]

I'm totally agree. The consistency is escencial!

[@mirrorcatz]

Yes, all that is true, the lack of consistency, the interference of Warner Brothers, their rush and lack of faith in the projects and directors, all that is true. But, I also think that from the beginning the general audience rejected Zack Snyder's vision, I must clarify that I'm a Zack Snyder fan, I love his movies and I hope they restore the Snyderverse, I really want to see Justice League part 2 and JL part 3 ... but also I have to recognize that most people did not like the first DCEU movies, that vision, that tone, they saw them as very dark, grim and depressing. I think people got too used to the humor and campiness of the Marvel movies, that when they went to watch Man of Steel and especially after seeing BvS, they said: "But what is this?. That's not how superhero movies are supposed to be, this is not like a Marvel movie. I don't like this". So they rejected the DCEU movies from the start. In my opinion, the only way for DC to be just as successful as Marvel, is if they announce that they're going to completely reboot their cinematic universe with a completely new cast of actors and actresses, that they are going to start again with a clean slate, but this time they're going to take their time, no rush, they will have a plan and they will follow that plan, and that their new movies are going to be just like the Marvel movies. (if they do this, obviously I hope they do it AFTER they released JL 2 and JL 3, I hope that they allow Zack Snyder to finish telling his story, let him complete his vision, and if I can dream that they release Man of Steel 2 and 3 as well, give a complete trilogy to Henry Cavill, he deserves it). Of course, if all DC movies are like Marvel movies, we won't have the best movies we could have, they won't have the same quality, they would not be as interesting, because we would end up watching movies that follow the same formula, a formula that has been proven to work, but just a formula nonetheless, and all the movies would be the same. But sadly that's what most people like, that's what the majority of the audience want to see... they just want Marvel movies with a lot of comedy. As I said before, people are too used to the Marvel formula, that they will reject everything that is different. Most people don't read comics and they don't understand that DC and Marvel are different companies. They believe that DC movies have to be the same as Marvel movies, they expect them to be the same.

[@dosomestuff1949]

Nah man, they rejected it at first, but even with man of steel, I remember loyal superman fans defending it. I just agree with the video

[@t.c.g.thecentregod2809]

This comment is actually made me sad cuz it’s sad to think that people are so use to the mcu formula. I love the mcu but what I love about the snyderverse is that it stands out from the mcu due to its tone, but this is why the monsterverse changed, if you don’t know it started out as dark with the first Godzilla movie, King Kong was kinda Dark too, but then king of the monsters started having that formula cuz as usual the formula grabs the audience and the same can be said for gvk. I honestly wish the dceu kept the same tone from the beginning and I can’t wait for black Adam because of the tone the snyderverse movies have, but sadly this is the world we live in now, where everyone thinks all superhero flicks should be funny, except for Batman movies and Batman spin-offs.

[@mayotango1317]

Tell me, you like Rebel Moon?

[@aramn8151]

MCU has a consistent (more lighthearted) tone but nonetheless each film has its own distinct elements. There are some mediocre MCU films but I did enjoy each one due their contribution to the overall storyline and got really excited to see them in theatre. Not so much for the DCEU. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a die hard MCU fan that hates DC (I know nearly nothing about it so my opinion about it is not very profound). There were some DCEU films that I really enjoyed and some are probably better concerning technique etc than MCU films. But I really really loved this unfolding cinematic universe that Marvel was able to build. That’s why I can overlook the fact that some movies are just mediocre. I think I rewatched the whole MCU at least 3-4 times but I still enjoy it and I’m very excited for all the new shows and films to come out. That’s something the DCEU was not able to spark in me. I rewatch a few of these films sometimes too but there are also many of these that I didn’t even see at all since they didn’t catch me beforehand.

[@kingbeararts]

i love how this conversation is always a thing

[@Dog1167]

and this is exactly why the dceu should #restorethesnyderverse because zack snyder did have a consistent plan but wb ruined it

[@Illmatic458]

MCU is better, but 2021 is the best year for DCEU "Zack Synder's Justice League" and "The Suicide Squad" are just amazing

[@johntrek187]

Very well said...

[@GaeaRage0798]

Because Disney didn't get cold feet at the very first misstep in their movies, Warner on the other hand though...

[@drw_predator]

MCU treat the fans like family as Mr. Stan Lee did to his creations and host very good Live events with cast or without cast engaging with Fans continuously WB's DCEU does not even care , Fans had to carry the franchise forward instead of the Studio

[@nwo2cool]

WB doesn't know how to produce DC films. They ruined Suicide Squad, BvS, and JL. They tried to make SS like Deadpool by adding more comedic humors. They trimmed down BvS lengths, which left a lot of plot holes. Worst of all, they removed Zack Snyder from JL to Joss Whedon, removed 80% of the scenes from the original cut, made into a Avengers-like rip off, and trimmed down to 2 hours length.

[@johnlarson1793]

Completely agree. Any work should have the same voice that stays the same throughout but also is distinct from the others. Notice also that the DCEU doesn’t seem to have a counterpart to Kevin Feige (who is also a huge fan of both).

[@Johnny_Katch]

You nailed it exactly!

[@raidenstark315]

what if feige worked for dc and started the dceu a long time ago.

[@linewalker]

Well said! Also, today's Zack Snyder's Justice League Cheer Moment was a major win for the Legion! #RESTORETHESNYDERVERSE

[@nextgengaming7803]

Loved the dceu kick off with man of steel and it was a good start. It grossed more than the first iron man, hulk, the first thor, and captain America, so as far as starts go, it banked them the money. The foundation was good, not amazing as some critics and fans were split. I was mega hyped for bvs, but if I'm honest it was a let down personally out the cinema, watching the extended version though I felt was good. I actually enjoyed suicide squad, But then hearing all the rumours zack was fired and Warner used the excuse his daughter passed away to hide behind, then hearing the suicide squad was changed quite dramatically, the ending of wonder woman was apparently changed, cavills mustachgate, it all just felt dusjointed and really just cannon by justice league. I absolutely loved the snyder cut though,and it got me hyped for more.

[@kyoki86]

One was successful and the other was sabotaged by the other one that was successful. But we won't have that convo.

[@incredibilistic]

I believe one of the biggest advantages Marvel had over DC was the lack of history with their collection of characters versus DC. Most people weren't familiar with Iron Man, Captain America or Thor and almost no one knew who the Guardians of the Galaxy were or that a character like Ant-Man could be interesting or entertaining, but Marvel pulled it off and smashed box office records in the process. In contrast DC were working with characters with over 50 years of history and adaptations, meaning audiences went into each movie with a preconceived notion and idea of that character. It also doesn't help that Nolan's Batman trilogy had only just ended a few years prior to Man of Steel and BvS, so when we see Batman killing any and everyone in his way it's a bit off-putting and shocking especially when the reason(s) for why he operates this way isn't completely explained. I suppose seeing Robin's memorialized and vandalized vest was the reason Bruce went over the edge but the average movie goer likely doesn't know who Robin is or his importance to the story. Clearly comic book geeks get it but when you're making a movie for general audiences you have to assume that your viewer knows nothing, so a little backstory is necessary. The reaction from comic book geeks/nerds would be, "Oh, okay. So that's the direction they're going with in this version of Batman" and just go along for the ride. Frankly it's pretty shameful that a movie like Guardians of the Galaxy could earn more (domestically) than a movie starring Superman and Batman. Two of the most famous superheroes in history. That alone is proof that the DCEU has been an unmitigated disaster.

[@DrD00M3]

WB shared blame no doubt but let's not forget how divisive and controversial Snyder's movies were and still are it's a mix of factors overall I remember how a lot of people were done with the franchise after suicide squad and bvs

[@slipstigertv5959]

I could understand the whole consistency thing but I felt there was a point in marvel where everything felt very bland until releasing GOTG Ant man and thor Ragnarok

[@space_monkey5662]

I think Directors like james gunn and russo brothers shaped marvel.

[@raulramirez8515]

True but you live and you learn

[@larry2281]

Marvel follows the same formula for every movie pretty much. Almost Every movie is essentially the same with just different characters.

[@nunyabidniz3262]

Best explanation I've heard and it's just what I've been saying for years.

[@damenicionscott]

I’m someone who respects ✊both brands I love superhero’s growing up all my life and heart ❤️ I want both too succeed and at the same time we all see these movies and we all like one over the other and we all say what we want about these films as long as were respectful no matter how they turn out be

[@DrumhellerParanormal]

Mcu is targeted for kids and adults. DC is for the adults, not so much the kids. I like it that way.

[@Nickwilde2295]

No dc is for adults only I watch the dark knight as a child How could you call it for adults only if I watch it since I was 11 And I still watch Marvel as an adult there's adults that watching Marvel there's little kids that watch DC what's wrong with you

[@pepefrog558]

People complain how marvel movies are just made to set other marvel movies up, but that is the reason why they succeed

[@aarontopa9458]

Hopefully, when the merger is complete and the Snyderverse will be restored, I just know it will! DC will get back on track and maybe WB will stop interfering with the movies and the directors work #RestoreTheSnyderverse

[@thehobbyist7275]

Even as an MCU fan, I'd love to see the Snyderverse direcrion

[@larry2281]

Well with the direction the MCU is going, there is a good chance DC in a few years from now will take over the MCU. MCU been on the downward trend since Infinity War. DC however has released nothing but bangers since WW84 and movies prior to that were all pretty good. I like the MCU but they are digging their own grave atm lol.

[@thehobbyist7275]

@@larry2281 I respectively disagree

[@larry2281]

@@thehobbyist7275 friends reference +1 But sorry my friend, every MCU show so far has been mediocre at best besides Moon Knight. They all start off pretty good and fall off midway through the series. Ms. Marvel looks pretty bad lol. I’m not one to typically judge things before they come out or see them but that show looks bad. Black Widow, Shang Chi, Eternals were all below average movies and yes NWH and multiverse of madness are average as well. I liked NWH but the movie was just a nostalgic fan service. The film had a lot of flaws and issues but is treated like a top tier Marvel movie when movies like Infinity War, Spiderman 2, Capt America Winter Solider, Iron Man 1 are way better. My biggest problem with the MCU personally is the same old formula for pretty much every movie. I just don’t know how you can take a tense situation seriously and some dumb one liner is dropped, every time.

[@aarontopa9458]

@@larry2281 I don't know about them digging their own grave but they do look like they're running out of ideas

[@Fatima_Garabandal2251]

Great analysis. I would also add that it was the negative corporate culture at WB that allowed people like Whedon and Johns to flourish and the toxic politicking to be common practice (this makes everything including the creative space unstable and results in the inconsistency in the end product). Marvel was set up as a well oiled machine, with everyone knowing the vision, who sets the vision, and how they (business and creatives alike) contribute.

[@jacktoma21]

I’ll admit that I like every DCEU movie besides the two that were drastically ruined by studio interference, even despite the drastic changes in tone. I do still wish they stuck to the original plan, but there’s no point crying over spilled milk. I just hope Warners Discovery does a better job at having a unified vision.

[@GiovaneSaRaujoj]

great video

[@TheLobster99]

You nailed it here

[@leticia-xg2pg]

8:53 I think something similar happened to Thor in the MCU. Marvel didn’t stick to the original version of the character they presented to us in Thor 1 and Dark World, instead, they allowed Taika Waititi to change it completely cause the og version was not working. As far as I can see and what the numbers show, most people prefer Taika’s take on the character, but every once in a while I still find someone saying how much they preferred the old more formal and serious Thor, and sometimes people fight about it. So yes, I guess you’re right on this, when you give the audience more than one option, change the tone of the narrative, you ultimately break the union of a fandom cause people will always have different opinions and preferences about which version was their favourite.

[@TheCaliforniaboy1]

Hopefully this WB Discovery merge will give us more consistency.

[@itsalwayssomething7490]

Exactly. Like it or not, people would have went with the DCEU by the time the Snyder made JL and the characters were established. People would understand that the DCEU was taking a chapter approach to the movies. In other words, Man of Steel was chapter one in a 5 chapter story arc for Superman. That arc happens to involve the JL, but it makes little sense that certain characters would exist, and the others would hang back until they finished having their adventures. If you have a world ending event in MOS, of course you will draw out others. Of course Batman would be concerned. I never understood other heroes hanging back, like where were the Eternals during Endgame? And the 5 film arc would be one long movie and everything would branch out from it. And you'd have solo movies with characters you know from JL. It was a unique approach that differentiated itself from what Marvel was doing. The problem is that Marvel was so successful that it set a standard in which every universe had to follow or audiences would reject it. That's the number one critique. " They should have all had solo films...they didn't earn a JL." But really, there weren't that many films before The Avengers and they weren't all great. Marvel just stuck with it. Had DC stuck with it, they would have had a competing standard, instead of having people say " they need to do what Marvel does, but then complain that DC is copying Marvel. Couple that with people not liking the controversial decisions Snyder made with his characters and fans were already ready to hate it. People went into BvS already wanting to hate it because Superman killed. The studio chopped up the film and it justified the hate. You can live with characters that were different, but not a choppy story that made little sense because 30 mins had been cut. I much prefer a director like Snyder willing to take big swings and miss that to give me a cookie cutter formula. Do all of Zack's decisions pan out? Of course not. But when they do, they do in a big way. The guy knows what he wants and how to get it. And people are still talking about MoS and BvS, whereas many Marvel movies fell into the abyss because most were simply commercials for the next movie.

[@devofficialchannel]

The weird and sad thing is that the Transformers reboot films might head into DCEU's direction. After The Last Knight flopped, Bumblebee came out a year later and became a success that Hasbro declared it a separate continuity from Bayformers. Unfortunately, the second film (which is Transformers: Rise of the Beasts and released in 2023) jumped straight away into semi-adapting Beast Wars (while wasting the potential of the Maximals aside from maybe Optimus Primal and Airazor) and introduced Unicron earlier instead of slowly building him up as an overarching threat. Not helping is that despite Bumblebee being the starting point for a newer continuity standing out from Bay's version, Rise of the Beasts tried to cash in on Bayformers nostalgia hard. And the final scene (not counting the mid-credits where Mirage is repaired and able to transform back which is good imo) for RotB is straight up a teaser of GI Joe.

[@sanamdutta3703]

WB is cutting his own legs by his own axe. 😑

[@hardcoore_gyt9254]

You said it amazingly

[@superheroes_nard]

so, true... everything you said is 100 percent right my friend

[@djmattes7358]

Summary: Marvel loves their fans. WarnerBrothers hates their fans with all of their hearts.

[@adarsh4525]

Fans and money

[@djmattes7358]

@@adarsh4525 Pretty much. I'm glad to roast WarnerBrothers for the rest of my life. :)

[@adarsh4525]

@@djmattes7358 ok

[@fortimusprime]

If both succeeded it would've been fantastic! On the one hand you have funny one-liner superheroes to entertain those who want something funny and not so serious in tone, and on the other hand you would have a serious and artistic tone for those who want something more serious and deep. There would've been something for everybody.

[@simjones5000]

Well said

[@HustleWorldEnt1]

The DCU will have it's day, just be patient! #RELEASETHESNYDERVERSE 😎👍

[@arnabsengupta9913]

I love both DC and Marvel. They have massive impact on my life. My happiest moments were used to be associated with those characters. But growing up as a DC fan it is kinda hurtful to me to see the condition of DCEU. It feels like one of my children doing great and another one is constantly failing. I hope DCEU revive quick. One thing I can suggest is that keep Snyderverse continue along with keeping Aquaman, Shazam,Wonderwoman,BlackAdam in the same timeline. There would be another timeline for Battinson, another for phoneix's joker, Keaton's universe, Bale's universe etc and leading to all multiverse United to fight against Darksied.

[@cyberbaian2241]

Zack Snyder Is The Blueprint #RestoreTheSnyderVerse

[@v1keebiriwX_sVS]

One of the reasons is MCU has a own semi independent studio : Mervel Studios DCEU doesn't

[@iOnRX9]

Superman is the face of dc. They screwed cavil, and we all saw it. It was gross

[@SunIsLost]

10:14 Yes, that also applies to KZbin and other businessess.