Mega Man Legends 3 - What Happened?

[@MattMcMuscles]

Want more Inafune insanity? Then click over to the episode about Mighty Number 9! - kzbin.info/www/bejne/oXSsioCGm6mEjZY

[@SAPProd]

Maybe if Capcom hadn’t been so tight lipped about Inafune’s hand in Capcom’s problems during the late 00’s, perhaps Mighty Number 9 might not have had such a massive successful funding period leading to the cursed development period. Little something to be said for a bit of openness to the people who are supposed to buy their games.

[@setsers1]

God, let's not go there

[@ligtningdog6399]

@@SAPProd But is can be argued that without MN9, we wouldn't have Megaman 11.

[@ligtningdog6399]

Matt. There was rumor that Capcom took the remains of the Legends 3 prototype and made it into E.X. Troopers. So yeah, to add a just a bit more salt into the knife wound, Capcom executives had more faith in a Lost Planet spin-off than highly requested Megaman sequel.

[@SAPProd]

@@ligtningdog6399 I believe that as well. Some people claim it’s not, that “the strong sales of the Legacy Collection warranted a new game” (another case of the Capcom Test, by now we were all aware of the pettiness of such a thing). And yet, didn’t that Collection come out AFTER the successful funding of the Kickstarter. Sure don’t need a What Happun to figure out THAT chain of events! 🤔🤨🤪

[@jamcalx]

SALUTE TO EMILY FOR HELPING TO JUST FINALLY RIP THE BANDAGE OFF ON A TOUGH ONE.

[@TheRealBlazingDiamond]

Wait, who's Emily?

[@ACuriousBookworm]

@@TheRealBlazingDiamond The one who requested the episode on Patreon 0:28

[@ceruelion815]

I was a teenager in the middle of this game's development, and this was the first time I felt legitimately let down by a gaming company. Now that feeling happens every other Tuesday, but the first time still stings.

[@robofistsrevenge3288]

You never forget your first time... _cries in Armada of the Damned_ But especially when it's something of MML3's status. I wasn't even a huge MM fan growing up and even _I_ still feel my stomach turn to knots when I remember this cancellation.

[@mariokarter13]

On the bright side, most game cancellations now are for games that were never even announced.

[@BleedForTheWorld]

A teenager? I grew up with these games when they were brand new on PS1. Imagine how those fans felt as they heard the news of it being canceled. This is like Square announcing that the FFVII Remake has been canceled. It was that bad!

[@1stCallipostle]

@@mariokarter13 But we still always manage to hear about it Or worse Games ARE released instead of cancelled, but in terrible states that end up killing an IP's entire reputation

[@manuelalbertoromero9528]

It could have been worst.

[@jeanluca2002]

Megaman: "I hate my birthday!" Me, looking at how Capcom treated him the last 2 decades: Yeah, you have all the reasons in the world to.

[@ValisFan3]

I remember some fan made Street Fighter X Megaman, and then Capcom said "this fan game is now your 25th anniversary gift."

[@mobius177]

@@ValisFan3 I rather that then having it shut down like Nintendo

[@LordArikado]

@@ValisFan3 And we can guarantee that the only reason Capcom put their support behind it was because it involved Street Fighter.

[@HeroesLeftInMan]

I was born the same day Rockman 1 released. :(

[@actionjackson4982]

Still waiting on MegaMan X9 😡

[@tonybarnes2920]

Fun fact: we had an Easter Egg where you could find and unlock MegaMan-X in Strider 2014. We were approved by Capcom, but then at the last second we were told no and given no reason.

[@MegamanNG]

Further proving that Capcom didn't see Mega Man wasn't important.

[@tonybarnes2920]

@@MegamanNG honestly, they only gave us Strider as a "favor", for having cancelled other projects, otherwise I doubt they would've even revived Hiryu... if only temporarily.

[@KairuHakubi]

​@@MegamanNG it kinda seems like they hate their properties, don't care about their fans, and have a baffling mindset towards money where only large amounts at once count, instead of small amounts over time. I can only imagine they're like some crackpot buying up lottery tickets, finally winning, and then throwing a tantrum when they find out you don't get the millions of dollars all at once, but spread out.

[@k96man]

@@KairuHakubi to answer you in one compound word: shareholders

[@KairuHakubi]

@@k96man isnt the entire point of holding shares in something that you want it to continuously make money, not just make it in either huge chunks of massive gains in between periods of absolutely nothing because oh sorry that project wont be huge enough?

[@Thigolf]

The worst thing about the "So few fans took part" tweet and the whole reasoning behind it to me is that Capcom released a Devroom trailer where it stated, and I quote, "Of course, it's okay to hang back and just watch, too!". If you're that dependent on engagement to keep the project going, maybe don't tell people in a trailer that they don't need to engage with it..?

[@Nilakanthanataraja]

Pretty much this. I remember when we would try to engage and our post would get ignore, so people pretty much said, "well, we'll just wait and see what they are developing before we can comment on anything". Its like what did they expect if no one responds and there were no reveals, so the fans were like, lets just wait patiently for them to develop the game like every other game in the industry.

[@uhyes2953]

Geeze if I had known that "Watching patiently in the back for progress on the game" was actively detrimental to the success of the game, I would have been more active on it. I took that quote to heart and thought it was okay. They lied to us! I guess keeping a fan-base engaged for months or years on end would be an insurmountably tall order to maintain, but even then, I still would have tried if it meant the success of the game.

[@TheShuuman]

I don't particularly think having that message there or not would have helped or hindered the dev room. Lots of people probably would have hung back not sure how to participate or even if they wanted to participate at all. I was aware of thedev room, but I wasn't really sure how I could contribute to something that I admit didn't have much of an attachment to as I had played very little of the Megaman Legends games, but I did keep an eye on it.

[@extremmefan7305]

@@TheShuuman The absence or presence of the message probably wouldn't change much per se, but making it say the exact opposite and encouraging actual activity probably would've kept it alive a little longer at the very least. That said, I wasn't around so it's not like I could really say much, but even if I was I'd probably be in the same situation as you. '^^

[@TheShuuman]

@@extremmefan7305 Hey as the video says interest wanes in a thing no matter how popular a thing proves to be. Capcom wasn't interested in keeping thehype coming and the project died. You can have all the encouragement to engage all you want but ya gotta have something to engage with

[@Slayerofall21]

You forgot to mention that just a few weeks after cancelling MML3, a Bandai Namco studio, known as Cyber Connect (developers behind .Hack and Asura's Wrath) wanted to pick up this project from where the Devroom left it and make it a reality, but Capcom said no

[@ashenesoterica]

Hell's bells, it was bad enough when it was once a missed opportunity. TWICE a missed opportunity, though? *Damn*.

[@Patziken]

Considering what Cyber Connect has been putting out in the last decade, this is probably a dodged bullet

[@ZERO9098767]

I don't mean any offense, this is just a general question. What has Cyber Connect ever even done other than .hack and, as I just learned, Asura's Wrath? Or are you referring to the .hack GU collection? Should that be avoided?? I've been meaning to play it, but, I keep getting overwhelmed by how much there is in there...

[@ashenesoterica]

@@ZERO9098767 Dunno about Last Recode, been eyeing that one myself, but I had some good fun with the original GU trilogy. Pretty fun for fairly simple (re: not character action, nor even God of War really) action JRPGs. Not quite sure what Patziken is referring to, though now I'm curious too, if only to know.

[@KyokujiFGC]

Honestly, it sounds like it was mostly down to politics more than anything. It feels like someone at Capcom was not happy about the fact that Inafune left and wanted to bury all the major IPs associated with him.

[@grandstorm3358]

Oh god I forgot I drew that icon for Gregaman forever ago. Its ancient history, but I did it because the official artists wouldn't make one for him like they were for the Japanese branch of the site at the time. I felt honored he used it because I wasn't very good at drawing at the time. Now my terrible art is plastered all over Matt's video too lol. Megaman Legends was always a huge part of my life, and one of my favorite games. I was so excited fans could be involved in things. Unfortunately If you want a little truth from someone that was apart of that community. A large reason why drop off from fans was so sharp was that input from the western side of the community wasn't ever considered like it was on the Japanese specific community. We were never really a part of the project like they were, and people quickly became disappointed and started leaving in droves. In the end most of the western community had given up on having any amount of input or effect on the project and would just pop in now and then to see if any news was updated.

[@Alecs250]

As a person who also struggles with art i must say that your drawing has a lot of personality and i like it. It was very nice of you to draw a avatar for him!

[@pokehybridtrainer]

Oh wow, nice to find ya here. Yeah, that's pretty much what most of us were doing in checking for updates with the project. Had we known it was that vital to development, could have been on that site every day.

[@arbetor12]

Sad to see that happened to you man It can't be easy to try to have an input on something you love and just get rejected without even being given a fair chance.

[@20xdee6]

Yeah, I remember that too. Probably not worth reuploading the video for, but that was the major reason why people were leaving, because the vote for the girl (Aero) was weighed much more heavily on the Japanese side and the Western choice was passed over. I think that Capcom was also afraid because they had accidentally exposed parts of their development like that example that they didn't want to be judged over. As positive as Gregaman's statement tries to be, I think what Capcom took away from that, and other lessons over the years, is to double down on their conservative approach and only test one or two new things a decade, and then keep making them a few more times to milk that idea as hard as it can (see resident evil 7/8/9 trilogy) and then dumping it in the trash for the next thing. All they want is blockbuster cash cows and there's no room for anything else.

[@CosmicGaijin]

This, absolutely this. I remember contributing concept art and even ideas on how to streamline some of the early levels/dungeons since I had experience in modeling. It got so bad that they wouldn’t even let me post anything so I eventually gave up.

[@BaticusPrime]

The line about "Warning Signs" is peak writing. I wasnt ready for it, and it just struck a cord with me. Keep it up you genius bastard, I love these videos.

[@thisjustin6529]

I really enjoy these “What Happun” videos. They’re so interesting.

[@WhispyWoods.]

The perfect infotainment 👍

[@zu_1455]

Same. I have not played 90% of the games covered but still watch immediately

[@Otacon_Magoo]

You do know that he worked on a game.. The Takeover, a real good looking Beat em up. If you like Matt McMuscles then look for the game, The Takeover digitally.

[@25izengard]

Yo, Wha Happun videos are the bomb!!! Always gives me a smile whenever I see them in my notifications :^D

[@curtismoyo9023]

It’s education

[@deathsyth8888]

"It's unfortunate we didn't get MegaMan Legends 3 but at least we got Mighty No. 9!" Said no one ever.

[@BeanBeanKingdom]

The one silver lining I can find in Megaman's death, brief revival and current life support situation is that Inti Creates went on to make Gunvolt.

[@leon4000]

@@BeanBeanKingdom With Mega Man 11 out, some people still feel that Mega Man is on life support. It took a lot of heart for the current developers in charge to make one without the key members. And one of those members is currently working with Inti Creates with Gunvolt 3.

[@BeanBeanKingdom]

@@leon4000 MM11 was a great return for sure, but it's been three and a half years since and it's clear it did not herald a renaissance for the series. I'm not asking for a new game a year for multiple subseries like in the 90s and the 2000s, but knowing there was nothing new planned for the brand even in Capcom's big leak is a little disheartening. That said, Inti has been keeping the flame alive for me even though it's not quite the same thing, and they certainly don't scratch the Megaman Legends itch specifically.

[@Dzzy123]

@@BeanBeanKingdom There was a mention of some Megaman game in the Capcom leaks.

[@SobmicSSBB]

People were saying that when the MN9 Kickstarter was still fresh and new.

[@ThatDudeZer0]

Surprised there was no mention of the "Get Me Off The Moon" group that was formed post-cancellation. Sure it was made BY fans, FOR fans. But we still gathered together to mourn the loss of our one wish.

[@solblackguy]

I remember when Red Sand was initially brought up, people petitioned that it should begin with Beck escaping the moon... for reasons.

[@SparkBug_Prod.]

@@solblackguy You mean Red Ash?

[@SparkBug_Prod.]

Wait, I just got it. Red Ash? Re-Dash. Reboot of Rockman Dash. Eleven years and I feel stupid.

[@SeiferA2001]

Personally, after a few months, I felt like that group was living in absolute denial about 3 ever coming back and I couldn't stand seeing their posts anymore.

[@Ballade90]

@@SparkBug_Prod. To be fair given the shitstorm that was MN9 and Red Ash having its project announced in the midst, I don't think anyone would blame you for not realizing that for the longest time.

[@assassinason9523]

This was one of those cancellations that really stuck with me throughout the years. Disappointed is an understatement, I was genuinely let down by this game being canned.

[@Mahaveez]

Nothing in gaming comes close for me! It's such a sore spot that it makes it harder for me to empathize with other franchise fans who've gotten a big dump taken on them. I can kind of relate to Castlevania fans though, they've gotten a real sharp stick in a real sensitive hole these days.

[@charlieroday1760]

This one still hurts even all after all these years.

[@garrettsmith4034]

Still haven't recovered

[@ThatGuy-ky2yf]

@@garrettsmith4034 PTSD still affecting all of us

[@JoRoBoYo]

yup

[@fyeplays1717]

Still sad this game never came out. Mega Man Legends was so cool.

[@solblackguy]

Just the gameplay alone made the series amazing. Protodroid Delta is dated for some time in 2022, and it looks somewhat promising.

[@zetamaxr]

The announcement of this game got me to purchase a 3ds in the first place, I wanted the next game that bad. I love Megaman and seeing this and all those other Megaman games cancelled during that time, some of which we are only recently finding out about like Megaman Star force 4, is heartbreaking. It feels terrible to have one of my favorite series, one that got me into gaming in the first place, be so mistreated and neglected.

[@Kalianos88]

All I can say is same man.

[@KairuHakubi]

heh, I got a wiiU for breath of the wild, only for it to turn out to be multiplatform. Never buy a system just for one game that isn't out yet.

[@Josuh]

@@KairuHakubi Wii U is still a solid console despite it's failure, slap some homebrew onto that bad boi and you're good to go, all you need is the web browser and an sd card

[@viewtifuljoe99]

This cancelation really hurt. I grew up on ps1 era Mega Man and I'm still holding out hope someday for more Legends style experiences from the indie scene.

[@josephshin9297]

I bought a 3DS when the Legends 3 demo was announced. When the demo was canceled, I thought my purchase was a waste, but then Animal Crossing New Leaf, Kid Icarus Uprising, and later Ace Attorney 5 and Bravely Default came out, so I was happy in the end. Still, it's sad to see what could have been.

[@RollinH]

What happened is by far one of the best series on KZbin.

[@Jamesadamiak]

Absolutely 💯

[@brandonwilliams6119]

Isn’t Sonic the only video game character with most “What Happun?” Videos? I’m curious.

[@Doge10YT]

And the really old games are so good to cover because there's actually information that has come out 👌

[@WatrDragn]

Fans: “Hey, Capcom. Can we get new games for beloved franchises?” Capcom: “Sure, here’s a new Resident Evil.” Fans: “…” Capcom: “Oh I see, you’re more of a Monster Hunter fan.”

[@Aceshot-uu7yx]

Ubisoft fans feel this

[@tb3411]

That really is all Capcom ever cares about nowadays

[@tb3411]

@@paperluigi6132 Resident Evil had Umbrella Corps and 3 Remake recently, didn't stop them from releasing Village. Monster Hunter has yet to slip up though which is probably why it has became their new flagship franchise. Though I'm honestly not all that interested in the franchise beyond the two Stories games.

[@DarthJoshReturns]

Capcom: "Playing hardball, I see. Here, how a bout a new Street Fighter game?"

[@NaviciaAbbot]

Fans: "..." Capcom: "Oooh, you're one of *those* people. I gotchu. Have the Ace Attorney Trilogy and the Great Ace Attorney Duology."

[@Amuro1X]

Oh god... the episode I've been dreading but always knew was coming. Time to relive all the anger and hatred this caused. T_T

[@Pollix780]

It was *Megaman Legends 3* and Paper Mario: Sticker Star that pushed me to get the 3DS. One was cancelled, and the other was a disappointment

[@sunlitsonata6853]

I played the first two Legends games at the start of this year to get a sense of what this game might’ve been. Despite their clunky controls and camera, they had a lot of charm and character. Losing this still hurts.

[@DrIllegalCarrot]

One thing to remember is that MegaMan Legends 1 came out in 1997, almost a year BEFORE Ocarina of Time. So MML couldn't just copy what OOT did, like a lot of future action-adventure games would, but had to invent a lot of gameplay concepts and lay the foundations for the genre itself. It wouldn't surprise me if MML effected OOT's design and development in some way, which is cool to consider. Plus, MML's quasi-anime style is timeless, and much more expressive and visually pleasing than most of the low-poly 3D from the '90s.

[@sunlitsonata6853]

@@DrIllegalCarrot I mean, of course, I do understand why they're like that for their time (Legends 2 honestly could've refined a few more things if it had the time) but I think that the controls and camera are a barrier to someone used to say, Ratchet & Clank. Curious how Legends 3 could've tried to fix this issue in being on the 3DS.

[@mystman7722]

Did you also play its spin-off game The Misadventures of Tron Bonne ?

[@mariokarter13]

Could be worse, they could've made Mega Man Legends: Sticker Star.

[@JosephWall117]

@@DrIllegalCarrot Not to mention it was a third person semi open world action shooter with RPG mechanics, a subtle karma system, tons of deep optional side content, a connected sprawling metroid-like dungeon that opens up as you unlock optional extra weapons, shit was literally decades ahead of it's time because it sounds like I just described several dozen games released recently. Shit even has a dodge roll. A fucking dodge roll. Go deep in the later underground portions and start dodge-rolling those red green and yellow dog robots and tell me that shit isn't fire.

[@ImperfectXIII]

11 years later, and this one STILL hurts.

[@SilverHunterN]

And Capcom still blamed the fans for the cancellation, despite this was in demand by fans since 2001. Yet most people don't want 7,432 versions of street fighter or that emo may cry game that ninja theory made. At least we got MM11 and DMC5 years later though.

[@neomachine855]

​​@@SilverHunterNopefully we get more info about that Mega Man fighting that their workout on, maybe X9, ZX3, and a new classic series game

[@justice8718]

@@SilverHunterN What’s funny is that the fans became the main reason why No. 9 was left completely dead on the floor, having no sequels to vastly improve upon it, since they’ve overly dramatized everything and heavily antagonized the project to death to this day. Megaman fans are just getting what they have reaped, especially with how completely unforgiving and unaccountable they are for their own destruction. God is way too merciful to humans.

[@KaimanDororo]

This one really hurts. Megaman has also never really recovered since that time. I really miss the series.

[@meowmeowmcpurrington2480]

same

[@MyEcho4]

It literally got a new game, comic series, and legacy collection released

[@TheMexicanLynx]

@@MyEcho4 compare that to it's golden age during the GBA games when you'd get 3, maybe 4 Mega Man games within a single year. Plus, the comic was cancelled and the cartoon wasn't exactly what people wanted either, supposedly because Capcom didn't let them use many of the established characters like Roll (hence the hidden Rolls in the backgrounds)

[@Sckarton]

@@MyEcho4 we only got 1 game and that was 4 years ago. Comic was 10 years ago and it is dead and the legacy is just a mandatory thing even though they're just official emulator on other systems.

[@Mahaveez]

There have been a lot of failures showcased on this show, but the outpouring of "no actually, HOW could this happen" is so consistent here, the comments are just flooded with it. We need a freaking support group or something.

[@AsureyX]

Legends 2 being my favorite game, the cancellation still hurts like a wound. Thanks for bringing awareness after so many years.

[@Mahaveez]

Cheers to that girl in the pink coveralls on Nino Island. Savior of the people and thief of my heart!

[@davidreeder43]

Oof, this might be the first What Happened? on something I was personally following, invested in, and devastated by. This felt like a tragedy at the time.

[@GetMeOffTheMoon]

This was a very good breakdown of Capcom's operations and the general environment around the game's production at the time. You did a great job with the video. This one needed to be made, especially because Legends 3 still hurts to talk about sometimes. Keep up the good work!

[@ThatDudeZer0]

Still enjoyed watching that documentary y'all did from... FIVE years ago!? Man, where has that time gone?

[@levifoster5639]

"Capcom, what did you learn from this experience?" "Nothing!"

[@Slayerofall21]

- Holding Darkstalkers hostage unless SFXT sold well - SFXT came out with on-disc DLC - Releasing UMVC3 a few months after MVC3 - RE6 was one of the most dissapointing RE that almost killed the franchise - Dismissing Clover Studios - Marvel vs Capcom Infinite - SFV's terrible release date - A few days ago, they announced they'd be charging people for local tournaments "Nothing" indeed. The only thing Capcom excels at is pissing off their fanbase

[@Stew91]

@@Slayerofall21 What do you mean nothing indeed? They've focused on stuff like - Creating the Mega Man Zero Collection Doing the RE2 Remake Doing the RE3 Remake Mega Man 11 Monster Hunter World Monster Hunter Rise Devil May Cry 5 But hey; I apparently it's better to focus on the negative and pretend like they haven't done anything good these past several years. That's what the youtube comment section is good at....right??

[@azuredusk991]

Looking back at this capcom was damaged by inafune

[@benedict6962]

I was way too young to be seriously participating in the devroom at the time, but even then I understood just what a terrible PR disaster it was for that tweet to get out. I....can't really say that Capcom's learned from it. They've learned how to make better games, and their experiments are less financially risky while still pulling out actually new concepts, but when it comes to treating their IPs well, taking in feedback, or addressing their weaknesses? The road's still rocky.

[@alialghamdi7153]

@@yoymate6316 if I remember correctly, we went through hoops, from signing petitions, donations, etc. There was constantly a mechanism put in place that begged for engagement and we delivered, then to be told that we weren't serious about it was infuriating.

[@KairuHakubi]

at least we got a Switch Monster Hunter. I was really worried we'd get shafted and only get ports of handheld ones.

[@NetBattler]

​@@KairuHakubiof course monster hunter will get what they want...I'm not even surprised by that

[@KairuHakubi]

@@NetBattlerwell they sure didn't have it for a while.

[@NetBattler]

@@KairuHakubi wdym? You literally got the mobile game with Pokémon go gimmick bruh....also I saw monster hunter fans complaining so much about that game

[@GreenGiorno]

I was thinking about Metroid Dread finally coming out last year after almost 10 years of being "cancelled," and I've been given a tiny shred of hope for some of these cancelled Mega Man games. IF there is going to be a new Mega Man game anytime soon, a MM12 would be great, but I'm really interested in a ZX3 or Legends 3 happening. Would be so cool, even if it's a pretty unrealistic hope.

[@papaG6423]

The next Mega Man game has been confirmed to be in development by the new head of the series, and there was a leak saying that a game called "Rockman Taisen" is getting released Q3 of this year.

[@GreenGiorno]

@@papaG6423 right! Of course that’s very exciting but I am also hoping for some sequels to older games 😅

[@papaG6423]

@@GreenGiorno same! I'd kill for a new ZX or Legends game

[@ComicCrossing]

At this point I would imagine that any hope Legends has would be a remake of some sort. The amount of new gamers who dont know the story and history of the series is more than ever.

[@GreenGiorno]

@@ComicCrossing and cue Legends Legacy Collection on the Nintendo Switch!

[@UkieKooki]

Seeing the profile pictures of the devs from the devroom brought back so many memories. I was there when users in the devroom were showing off ideas, discuss about Megaman and even do random things to have fun like the rp channels. It was a fun rollercoaster ride until the cancellation. It was fun while it lasted back in the day.

[@LucaLukaszPascua]

Megaman Legends was my childhood. I even participated in the online voting as well, during the project phase. Really sad the game never had a 3rd one. Kinda wish they make a Manga just to finish it at this point.

[@Deathbringersora]

I was involved on day 1, I learned of it on my birthday and was super excited as I was waiting for the next game and to be honest MML was my favorite Megaman series despite the bad controls.

[@ComicCrossing]

I didnt even know it was a thing at all. Capcom did a seriously shit job at promoting something that was apparently so integral to the success of the entire damn project. There were likely tens of thousands like me who werent diehard Legends fans but were interested in the project since it looked interesting that wouldve taken part in the Devroom forum if they even knew it existed. Thousands more who wouldve downloaded the Prototype. Knowing that the 3DS was eventually a success makes the cancellation even dumber in hindsight. They were so worried about the platform it was on failing and trying to predict everything via financial forecasts that they missed out on a potential succesful revivial of a franchise.

[@LucaLukaszPascua]

@@ComicCrossing I only found it out at random chance. I think I saw a video on youtube or an FB post about it Kinda sucks the only current megaman we have is a Gacha game on mobile and steam.

[@bitterman7258]

@@LucaLukaszPascua i mean 11 came out like what 2 years ago? and that one was pretty good edit: ok wow it actually came out 4 years ago what the fuck

[@LucaLukaszPascua]

@@bitterman7258 Whats even more weird is the Gacha Game of megaman is now available on steam since last year.

[@greentoonlink]

Man, I still remember watching the trailer for upcoming 3DS games on the Wii's Nintendo Channel, and seeing a clip for "Mega Man Legends 3". Even though I had only played the first game on N64 I was thrilled because I adored it. Volnutt was my favorite Mega Man, even bought Tatsunoko vs Capcom because he (and Viewtiful Joe) were on the cover. I pre-ordered a 3DS as soon as I got a chance and picked it up at launch... Only to later find Capcom had canned the game out of "lack of fan interest". Still holding onto the silver lining that at LEAST when Legends 3 eventually does get picked back up, it'll have to be on a much grander scale than the 3DS would've allowed for. Still would've rather had it though...

[@HybridAngelZero]

A decade later and it still hurts. I still hold out hope that, if we get a Megaman Legends Legacy Collection, they'll, at the very least, include that Prototype demo for Legends

[@squidlytv]

It's an instant pre-order from regardless and I don't preorder

[@mattduncan3869]

I was part of that dev room, even submitted art for a boss design contest for it. Even at the time, it was apparent to me that the whole thing was a hail mary, a desperate attempt by inafune to circumvent the usual process of getting a project greenlit by involving fans directly. This could be gleamed much by Inafune's own words and sentiments publicly available at the time. But like this video states, even if we assumed it, we were never outright told exactly how much weight the dev room held to the greenlighting of the game and we all were basically assured the prototype demo is what its development would hinge on, and we never even got to download it. The cancellation hurt because the active members of that dev room were the audience for Megaman and it just felt like watching our favorite franchise get shot dead in front of us after doing everything we were told to do to keep it alive. It hurt.

[@justyournormalaverageguy9750]

He's still stuck on the moon for 22 years.......

[@Xer042]

I just can't help but think about the giant Irony Pretzel that is: -Capcom using an online dev forum to garner fan support for Legends 3, and it ultimately not living up to the litmus test that Capcom had apparently set for it, and that the fans were never warned about. -Inafune, after having left Capcom, would go on to use Kickstarter on his own only a few years later for Mighty No. 9, and gain a massive initial surge of fan support...only to completely squander that surge, leading to the product we got. -Further attempts by Inafune to try to recover some of that Legends goodwill through Red Ash were also similarly floundering and poorly planned, leading to that not going anywhere either. Like, imagine if something like Kickstarter or Patreon had been around a few years earlier, proving that sort of crowd-based support experiment could work if done correctly, Legends 3 might have ended up in a very different place.

[@SAPProd]

Been waiting a long time for this one, and it was worth it. Hoo-boy, so much to say about this debacle…but really I can sum it up as “I agree with Matt’s feelings about this entire subject”, from the bad start, terrible finish, and just the absolute frustration with current Capcom keeping their focus so narrow and only using old franchises as asset bait for the 2-4 titles they focus on. There’s never going to be a happy ending with any Capcom video like this one until they get their shit together.

[@wgbee1242]

How the hell did you comment 11 hrs ago?

[@THENAMEISQUICKMAN]

@@wgbee1242 Patreon

[@SAPProd]

@@wgbee1242 I turned my computer’s clock back so it would post in the past. lol nah, like Quick Man said, Patreon.

[@setsers1]

Agreed.😠😟

[@retrofan93]

@@TheSuperSmashBros01 I'm not even sure about devil May cry. Sure, it has gotten a lot of love recently with the fifth installment, but even then that has just been one game in 2019, minus the 2020 updated re-release.

[@boltmateria]

I was talking with a friend today about how Megaman Legends was one of my favorite games growing up. Typed Megaman Legends into the search bar and saw this video had been uploaded on the same day. Always been a fan of Wha Happun? but this was such an interesting coincidence, and definitely the episode that hurts the most

[@zachattack4322]

Im guessing most people have been expecting this for awhile lol

[@BigEOT3]

That and Deep Down has no information at all and has been Missing In Action

[@setsers1]

I clicked immediately

[@pyromaniacforhire]

Yep...

[@SeiferA2001]

Christ, this game's cancelation is the one that hit me the hardest; Primarily because we were SO DAMN CLOSE to having that Prototype Demo. Even if it was canceled, at LEAST being able to play something that was teased at with footage of it online would have made the cancelation just a tad bit less cut throat. If this prototype ever somehow leaks online, I think this would be the greatest thing to ever happen to the Legends fan base and we'd likely accept the death of this series a lot more.

[@LordQuadros]

Boy, Inafune really does have a recurring problem of trying to open too many candy bars all at once.

[@theogravity866]

I feel like Inafune really should have slowed down during the late 2000's, he clearly wasn't in the right mindset.

[@X2011racer]

@@theogravity866 He had no choice regarding Mega Man X6; he wanted to stop at 5, but Capcom demanded another one. Perhaps that caused him to start crunching projects as a bad habit.

[@MegamanNG]

I now despise Inafune because this guy was the reason why he had this push to appeal to the West. Look how that shit went.

[@ddjsoyenby]

ikr.

[@KairuHakubi]

@@MegamanNG DASH in the first place was made because Sony insisted (western) gamers don't want to play anything 2d 'that's for babies' so they had to make 3d games only..

[@RayneyShark]

I saw this and immediate the most painful and sad "oh" that came outta my mouth was unmatched.... I still pray every E3/nintendo direct that we'll get SOMETHING again that this game will still come back.. Megaman 11 gave me sooooo much hope that this may still happen

[@Luke_Barz]

On the topic of episode suggestions, I want to vouch for a potential episode on the first *Metal Slug* The game shipped as a bonafied classic, but behind the scenes the development was a mess: from the fact that the team had recently disbanded from Irem, to the elusive prototype that was met with a cold reception and led to major gameplay changes. All in all, I think it would make for a great video topic, but I may be biased as a huge fan of the series :)

[@CosmicGaijin]

Considering it’s one of the best arcade games of all time and has some of the most overly detailed sprites of all time, it’s well deserved to be biased for Metal Slug. I just which they’d rerelease the collection on Switch and other modern consoles.

[@Cheerfuljochan]

Man, this still hurts, I was part of the dev room community back in the day and was very active there. . . Its been over 10 years.

[@thebestcentaur]

This one's gonna hurt

[@Artzei]

Almost over 10 whole years past since the cancellation of MML3 Project and still pains me to this very day. Legends 3 was one of the sole reasons i even got the og 2011 3DS in the first place. At this point, if Capcom ever decides to grow a pair, maybe they should remake Legends 1 & 2 + the Tron Bonne game, to see if there is any potential to finally continue the Legends subseries, then maybe we could after that see a rebooted Legends 3 project once more in development.

[@doomzilla3568]

Great video Matt! 2010-2011 was a brutal time for megaman fans and this is the most tragic loss for many fans of megaman legends who waited so long to see a continuation of the series and was given hope to finally get megaman off the moon. However, that "hope" was a false one after so severe trouble behind the scenes that grew into despair after the cancellation of legends 3 and the tragic fallout afterwards. It's 2022 with capcom gaining traction with some of their franchises but megaman however, despite the release of 11, is still in the dark ages to this day and poor megaman is still trapped on the moon. This is one gut punch no one wanted and still hurts to this day. 😔

[@ethanbryant1997]

Honestly, a remake/remaster of MML 1 and 2 seems more likely than 3 at this point.

[@ethanmyers3742]

I would buy them!

[@TrueCrouton]

A proper "Capcom Test" like that might actually produce the results they wanted. That is to say, accurately gauging player interest in seeing more of the series. It's kind of unfortunate that the devroom was the Capcom test we got because there was just no way it was ever going to succeed that way.

[@jpebrz]

megaman legends with modern graphics and updated controls, I would buy the shit out of it

[@AndresLionheart]

I'd buy that if they updated the controls.

[@thedogoffaleash]

Legends 1 and 2 were some of the earliest nostalgia I have for Megaman, one of my favorite series all time. Followed L3's development from day one. When it got cancelled, it genuinely broke my heart.

[@kagekaiser9270]

That Maverick Hunter thing has a lot of Bomberman Zero energy on it,

[@TwilightTheCabbit]

This cancellation still hurts so much, even after all these years. The pain will never go away. Something I never understood is why they didn't just release the prototype, at the very least. Pretty sure that thing was complete or at least very, VERY close to being complete and playable. I feel like they would have lost way less money releasing a nearly completed prototype than they did by not releasing it. They surely suffered a major loss by developing so much of something that ultimately never saw release.

[@davemustang8173]

I remember hearing about this and being like "what's the big deal?" Then I actually played the Legends games years later and realized "OH... that's why they were pissed"

[@scraggleman3884]

I remember reading somewhere someone from a gaming magazine (can't remember which one) actually got to play the prototype and apparently quite enjoyed was genuinely surprised they didn't at least release the prototype. Would have been nice to at least get the prototype if nothing else.

[@PC2000]

Some guys from a show also played quite a bit of what was made: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a4uwfGB4n72Heqs

[@EnigmaticMrL]

It's been over a decade, and I am still salty about it. Mega Man Legends isn't my favorite video game series, but it is by far the series I want a sequel to the most. Sure, other games have ended on unresolved cliff hangers (ie Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood), but the Legends series holds a special place in my heart due to its charm and nostalgia.

[@kyburn6195]

There was also a Nintendo Power interview and demo discussion in Nintendo Power long ago that’s worth checking out. Considering the article came out just a short time before the game got cancelled, the staff at the magazine was very sad.

[@ashenesoterica]

I had a good friend who basically ragequit Capcom games because of this. No joke. I think it especially was that bit with the "unfortunately, so few fans took part in the creation of the game" bit that twisted the knife the hardest for him. Thank you for this series. I'm so happy it's real ]and not just a joke in Star Fox Adventures. (Yes, I'm hella late to the party on this, shush. I can still express appreciation, can I not?)

[@ThisThingEaten]

Over ten years later, and I'm still pissed. The pain eased a bit when Mega Man 11 came out - and it was great - but Legends 3 still needs to happen, not just for the fans, but for Mega Man and Roll. Otherwise, not only will Capcom have killed a franchise, but they will also have killed a fifteen-year-old boy and made his best friend forever alone.

[@bluefates58]

Haven't even start watching the video and I am already depressed, We are off to a great start .

[@arthurj.mercado]

This episode hurt to watch. I was actually at the announcement and preview at NY Comic-Con. I along with throngs of hardcore fans went totally insane seeing what was constructed up till that point. We were dying and wanted more! Reading the announcement Infaune's departure and cancellation of Mega Man Universe & Legends was just soul crushing for all of us. I am grateful to have met Inafune and have him autograph my Mega Man Universe & Legends 3 posters. Hopefully someday we'll get that sequel and conclusion to Legends.

[@FierceDietyLink100]

or it becomes more than a trilogy I wanna see what zero or bass would look like in this series mm 3 protag could easily be a new version of protoman

[@BrokamaGay]

I was so excited to take part in the community and at the time everyone was very optimistic and ecstatic to help develop this game.

[@KionKamon]

I still remember hearing about every single one of those getting canceled. It was certainly a rough year/several years for Capcom fans at that point in time.

[@extremmefan7305]

Let's give credit where credit is due: Capcom Europe had the heart to tell us about at least a potential reason for why it didn't go through. (Although somewhat misworded and a truth so harsh it's stupid but sadly out of their jurisdiction) While the other two divisions were just dead silent.

[@lpfan4491]

I wonder if there was some internal shouting after Capcom EU said that. Because if you're silent, you usually intend to hide the truth.

[@NetBattler]

Whoever tweeted that definitely a kid....

[@Austroid]

Mega Man Legends is such a treasured game from my childhood. The characters, art design, gameplay, music, etc. was and still is super charming! I was lucky enough to find both games in person way back when! (Legends 1 brand new at a drug store, and 2 was used for $20 at Hollywood Video's Game Crazy)

[@kulbrez4884]

I just beat MML 1&2 last year, and there is a hole in my heart for MML3. I legitimately believe that with newer game design, another game in the series could be incredible. One simple update to the controls, and these games are already 10/10 to me.

[@WrestlingWithGaming]

Capcom and unreasonable sales projections. Like peanut butter and jelly.

[@ruben21]

Seen the "still waiting on Megaman Legends 3" sign on AEW Dynamite. I loved 1 & 2

[@atreyuwilliams9394]

Each and every “What Happened” has been great thus far and I request a video on what happened to Jet Moto and why it stopped sequels from being made.

[@JaredClaunch]

I’ve been hoping for this episode ever since I found this series! Thanks Emily

[@discoron77]

Crazy how much time has passed now, given that the 3DS itself is no longer in production.

[@Josh-Stream]

I was actually watching the trailer they released for this game yesterday... Imagining the afternoons I would waste playin it. Thanks for covering this!

[@EvillBob]

I immediately went out and bought a 3DS when Legends 3 was announced... You can probably guess at my level of rage afterwards.

[@elinfini]

Same. The Pokemon games lessened the blow somewhat, but then Nintendo/GF became greedy a-holes (post-Gen.7).

[@Infinifry55]

I can't wait to watch this! Legends is concurrently my favorite, and the most underrated Megaman series out of all of them, and was shafted so hard by Capcom.

[@Kbmands]

Could you imagine if they ported Legends 1 and 2 to the Switch? I’m probably just being optimistic, but what if that’s why they renewed the copyright? A former Devoom Servbot can dream, can’t they?

[@PrincessW0lf]

Oof, I felt this one was coming for a while. Still hurts as much as I remember! I spent some time in the devroom, voted in all the polls, and when that tweet happened it felt like a huge slap in the face. I get now WHY that tweet was made, but wow, still stings. I miss MML so much, and while I feel little hope that the franchise will ever return - or even get a Legacy Collection of its own, I'm glad it's inspired some cool indie devs to work on interesting projects, such as Delta-Gal and Fermata on the Pithos. (The less said about Red Ash, the better)

[@Mahaveez]

I was still looking forward to some form of Red Ash. It was more a lack of sensible constraint on vision that did it in, wouldn't you say?

[@PrincessW0lf]

@@Mahaveez That's a reasonable way to put it - and much the same thing was what did in MN9 and I don't look forward to a repeat of that. If the project resurfaced with sensible scope, I'd be interested, but I'm not counting on it.

[@oldschoolmatt7396]

22 years since the last game 11 years since 3 got cancelled I'm still not over this

[@jcmarquezart]

I own an issue of Nintendo Power that talked about Mega Man Legends 3 and how it was taking fan submissions for character designs. I really liked how involved the game’s development was with the fanbase. It’s such a shame it was cancelled.

[@nicolesimke9812]

The mention of Metroid Prime 4 just makes me all the more excited for not only the game but also the almost certainly inevitable Wha Happun episode on it.

[@michaelbeaudoin1518]

Mega Man Legends 2 is my favorite game of all time. As sad as it may sound, it is a major part of my life. Until Mega Man Legends 3 is finally released and puts a bow on the series, I will never feel fully complete.

[@l0_0l]

still sad that we’ll probably never get mega man legends 3. still holding out hope for a new marvel vs. capcom.

[@SparkRattle]

Oddly enough, I recall that before the Devroom happened, there was already a community for Megaman Legends 3 and we were getting concept art and discussions going on then back in 2008. I was in that original group and contributed to polls and even recall having a really low servbot number, somewhere in the 300s. Wish I still had my servbot badge from then. I also remember discussing with some members about Volnutt's armor changes and Aero was nothing more than a rough sketch at the time. The reason I recall this very well was because my dad passed away 2 years prior and this was the best coping mechanism I had before moving addresses in late 2008. It's odd though that the discussions of years prior didn't show up in the Devroom which, I would have assumed, was archived in it somewhere. Either way, this brought back a lot of memories and literally me sitting in front of the PC 6 hours each day to monitor and new posts and discussions about ML3's development. Depression sure has an odd way of pushing you to do things you wouldn't normally be able to do sometimes.

[@Mahaveez]

Servbot #53 (and fellow brony!) here. Our strange and doomed legacy will echo on through the ages, the foolish saps who thought they could help develop a game the publisher didn't even want.

[@crthejediknightninja]

I LITERALLY got a 3DS for this game, I really do hope someday it gets another chance, I know current MM director has mentioned it in passing, good to know it isn't COMPLETELY forgotten.

[@sonyslyer9946]

Mega Man Legends… what a game. This was cool to play as a kid, but this is sad that 3 never came out.

[@ultimadrago]

I was a part of the DevRoom (as a Servbot as they called us). It was a very exciting, but weird time. As you said, it was a lead in to the developer/fan communication found on many crownfunding options today. However, without new footage to feed the machine, hype grew only to die for many of us as less and less relevant news released in the blogs. When the project finally died, a number of Servbots saw some of the writing on the wall. The prototype announcement helped some, but as you've said, it was all for naught in the end anyways. It's a sad trip down memory lane. I can only hope Capcom can find a way to re-introduce Legends in the future. It will likely be within a very "cost-effective" package, but at least to give it a chance.

[@Frankkenzo]

No... my heartbreak from a decade ago...

[@hedgehoundable]

God. Seeing this video pop up while browsing for the channel tore open old wounds that I didn't even know still burned.

[@CH-uk1il]

Seeing as Capcom is doing well with Resident Evil 4 Remake and Street Fighter 6, they need to bring back Mega Man Legends 3. One thing they should obviously do, make the game with the RE Engine.

[@Spikero2]

3:46 Oh yeah. I remember this part. Coming back from the newest Direct.

[@AmeLilith]

Big props to the excellent usage of that Our War Game! clip I very distinctly remember the feeling back then that many fans genuinely believed Capcom flat out hated Mega Man and WANTED the series to die. His exclusion from MvC3...twice and SFxT having the bad box art Mega Man especially felt like they were kicking the franchise while it was down at the time

[@lsebastian9086]

If they hated the game so much, then why did they include Zero and Tron Bone instead off ROckman? The bad box art megaman was just a poorly timed joke. Honestly i would had retired the char idea out off respect if only to avoid morem esses but i guess everyone would had complained

[@DeamonChocobo]

I remember buying a 3DS like a week before the eShop launch because they were advertising the Legends 3 prototype was going to be there day one... then it got delayed. Then, while checking for updates about the game on my 20th birthday, roughly a month and a half latter, I see Capcom had canceled my beloved Legends 3 (the day before my birthday but for some reason I didn't see anything on KZbin or Twitter that day). Almost as painful as my 360 giving me the Red Ring on Christmas. I was pissed and I legit did not buy a Capcom game for a good year and a half.

[@zangetsu1614]

Ahh how can i forget that time with the devroom and Capcom forums Sven's "stay tuned" meme. This one still hurts after all these years, i play MML, MML2 and tron bonne at least once every year, and reaching legends 2 end is already bittersweet, but when i remember we will never see megaman get rescued from Elysium is actually very de-moralizing... I love this series, but this episode was especially heart wrenching for me hehe

[@eded9860]

All that Mega Man X music hit me right in the nostalgia. If those songs had lyrics I’d have them all memorized.

[@James-gj8rn]

This will be a very interesting onr because it seemed to disappear totally at random after that 3DS demo (sigh) what could have been :'(

[@jason__lai]

I was about 17 and didn't have a DS or 3DS. I was so ready to save up for a 3DS just for that single game. I participated in the devrooms but because there was just so much clutter I wasn't very inclined to visit as much. Still bummed about it and hopefully one day we'll get a resolution to the cliffhanger.

[@VGManiac456]

Hard for me to believe it's been nearly a decade since Mega Man Legends 3 was cancelled, yet I still remember my disappointment when hearing about it. At the time, I was still learning about the series' confusing lore and story, but the interest was gaining significantly to experience these games, so I was all for the new Mega Man games that were being announced at the time. That is until all of them got cancelled, which was a shame.

[@zxride64]

This still hurts after all these years. It happened when I graduated from high school and I was looking forward to it

[@xmegami5511]

Between the cancellations of this, X9, and Starforce 4, I can safely say that being a Megaman fan has been and continues to be a rough experience. If we're lucky maybe they'll do a Battle Network collection...

[@FierceDietyLink100]

that includes jp games and starfoces 1-3 all versions

[@FierceDietyLink100]

starforce

[@NetBattler]

You got what you wished for.

[@Nintendo85]

The episode I've been waiting for! MegaMan Legends 1&2 are some of my favorite games of all time. Very nostalgic memories of asking for the 1st, finally getting it on Christmas and staying up into the early morning all winter break. Did it again the next year for the sequel. I run through at least one of them once a year.

[@MiltonGagliardi]

Now this was depressing, hope Megaman will make another great comeback in the near future

[@emperorshark888]

Ah man, MML3, Bomberman 3ds, and beta Sticker Star are the "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" of what could have been for the 3ds.