The PROBLEM with DC's Trinity

[@pedanticat9479]

They’re called the trinity but when it comes to adaptions it’s 97% Batman, 2% Superman and 1% Wonder Woman

[@Minetic]

Superman got a raise as of late, so 5% for him now

[@thisguysgaming7246]

Facts and it’s probably because Batman is easier to write on a smaller scale while Superman and Wonder Woman are planet destroyer

[@duncanharrell5009]

@@thisguysgaming7246 A damn shame as Wonder Woman has a lot of cool and under explored villains besides just Cheetah and Ares.

[@eghoseisiramen1892]

@@thisguysgaming7246pls go read some superman stories. They’re always fighting world Enders. More than half the time they’re dealing with day to day shenanigans

[@valentinkambushev4968]

I don't even know what's stopping them from making a Wonder Woman animated series. Granted, that isn't such a good idea in today's climate, but still.

[@ashleysmith5427]

The fact that we got a Kiteman Animated show before a WonderWoman animated show is a crime! The fact that they have pushed Harley Quinn as DC’s main female character, instead of WonderWoman will NEVER make sense to me..

[@thebloodedge284]

Facts we need that Wonder Woman animated series already.

[@rgjcs2793]

Harley Quinn is reaching Joker levels of overusage and Wonder Woman still has no animated series i do hope if they do that that they won't turn her into a hypocrite like the injustice version

[@Kalel2.0]

​@@rgjcs2793Or a Psycho Dictator from the Flashpoint timelime

[@ashleysmith5427]

@@rgjcs2793The Injustice version of her was CRAZY! The fact that she didn’t start questioning Superman’s reasoning until he picked up that yellow lantern ring was just odd..

[@rgjcs2793]

@@ashleysmith5427 she was manipulating that man at his lowest

[@kingbash6466]

The trinity might as well be, "Mostly Batman, sometimes Superman, and Wonder Woman being let out the basement every few months."

[@69Kazeshini]

More like every few years

[@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache]

"I think Harley Quinn needs to be the Fourth Pillar because we need more female representation." Wonder Woman: throws hands in air

[@Unrealizedthoughts0]

Nah, I'd take Hawkgirl/Hawkwoman any day.

[@ryice944]

​​@@Unrealizedthoughts0the picked harley cuz the money she brings in For hawkgirl or anybody else to be considered they would have to start bring in more money than harley does for them And at that point you basically just got rid of wonder woman being top 3 (she hasn't been dc top 3 for a good while tbh sales wise)

[@theanimekid7839]

Black Canary, Zatanna, Vixen, Jessica Cruz(Green Lantern), Fire, Ice, Huntress, etc. There are so many woman in the Justice League that are powerhouses and good role models.

[@duncanharrell5009]

@@theanimekid7839 I'd prefer we give Wonder Woman more GOOD comics (AND A DAMN ANIMATED SERIES!).

[@asanaquarian1302]

Okay well one person shouldn’t be the most representation for a group. Don’t agree that Harley should be the fourth pillar, but why is it up to Diana to be the sole woman.

[@weebmeister-harry]

The lack of Wonder Woman is beyond a crime, my girl deserves better. Cancel Kite Man & give me more Diana plz.

[@valentinkambushev4968]

On the bridge side, she doesn't get stupid stories or character assassinations like Batman and Superman.

[@tristanpelkey9109]

​@valentinkambushev4968 *Looks at Injustice and Flashpoint* Yea, sure, definitely no character assassination here

[@valentinkambushev4968]

@@tristanpelkey9109 at least not to the extent Batman and his cast receive.

[@tristanpelkey9109]

@@valentinkambushev4968 Considering both of the character assassinations I mentioned ended with the world either: being run by a regime that would kill anyone on sight Literally ending in an atomic explosion of captain atom I believe quality trumps quantity here LMAO

[@badazzkaz]

@@tristanpelkey9109damn good point

[@SilentSnake1998]

Batman said “fuck the big 3, it’s just big ME” And I respect that, he’s been carrying the company for decades. But they need to give more characters a spotlight

[@snake7440]

no shit he's been carrying it for decades, hes their most popular character like spider-man is to marvel. they sell because people like them.

[@SilentSnake1998]

@@snake7440 Exactly. I always laugh when people are surprised about the amount of Batman content we get, and then they complain about the lack of obscure characters getting movies. And I understand why people would want a Guy Gardner or Hawkman focused movie, but at the same time people need to focus on the actual reasons why certain characters get so much clout.

[@dukeheavens9990]

He's not been carrying shit , DC just glaze batman alot

[@valentinkambushev4968]

​@@SilentSnake1998Speak for yourself. I have always been open to Batman-less DC projects, and have always been against him showing up in other heroes' shows without a good reason.

[@dukeheavens9990]

​@@SilentSnake1998 oh shut up , DC just care about batman than other characters

[@GenerationWest]

Every time I hear Harley Quinn is "The Fourth Pillar of DC" I implode like a blackhole.

[@FiestaTX17]

If anybody is taking that 4th spot for the pillars of DC it is undeniably Green Lantern or the Flash. Get Harley out of here

[@spideyplays6969]

Or Nightwing even. He's the reason we have teen superheroes.

[@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω]

NOPE SUPERMAN 1938 BATMAN 1939 ROBIN /NIGTHWING 1940 WONDER WOMAN 1941

[@Superlad9494]

​@@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω Flash, Hawkman and GL have 1940 debuts too (even though Flash 1 was relased in 1939, it has a January cover date)...and then Aquaman and Green Arrow were popular 1941 heroes. Also remember that back in the 1940's DC had more of a Big 6/7/8 Book thing going and had two sets of Big 3's due to them being two companies. (The Big 8 were of course Action, Detective, Adventure, More Fun, Sensation, Star-Spangled, Flash and All-American while the popular team-up books were Leading Comics and All-Star Comics and Ollie & Arthur's anthology book is the oldest DC title...originally titled New Fun, but it became More Fun when Dr. Occult showed up.) Superman, Batman and Robin/Nightwing were the Big 3 on the National Periodical Publications side (DC proper) and on the All-American Publications it was Wonder Woman, Flash and Green Lantern...when the JSA got banned in 1951 however we learned that only 5 main heroes and two sidekicks were allowed to remain active. The Surviving 5? Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Arrow and Aquaman so DC dropped from a long range of titles in 1951 to just six main books before giving Superman an additional two. Flash and GL just got a benefit-boost in 1956 and 1959 respectively and the same happed to the Atom and Hawkman in the early 60's as well. Robin and Speedy (Nightwing and Arsenal ver.) just happened to hang around because they were popular sidekicks.

[@finchatforharambe905]

@@spideyplays6969Spider-Man*

[@spideyplays6969]

@@finchatforharambe905 Nightwing came before Spidey as Robin. They're basically the same character

[@mythos6308]

Wonder Woman has been done some dirty i’ve legit seen people try to downplay her importance in the Trinity just because DC can’t handle her character

[@daraghokane4236]

DC doesn't know what to do with her or Aquaman. They can't decide what there core character is, I know who superman and batman are and what they would do in any situation. For Aquman and Wonderwoman its the up to any induvial writer, Every story I read about Woman woman she kills the bad guy and people say she would never do that but that seems to be consistent.

[@davidakin3840]

diana i feel is not a good reprsenation of what I female superhero should be in recent times. most adaptions forget her compassion and peace making attributes from pre crisis so that's why she kinda feels like a bum that girls cant even relate to

[@daraghokane4236]

@@davidakin3840 I Liked her and Hawkgirl in the justice League cartoon. What makes her different then the others was she didn't forgive Hawkgirl right away, Superman and batman were just like we all make mistakes, WW was like no get out,

[@Superlad9494]

​@@daraghokane4236 but they didn't really adapt her right until Unlimited when they alluded to Byrne and Rucka runs aside from the few League stories she got which also alluded to Byrne run. Furthermore...the episode you mentioned...Diana mentions she had already forgiven her before that point, if anything Batman was the one who it took the longest. The vote did end up as Wally & J'onn- yes Diana & Bruce- no John- abstained because she's the flying yellow weakness for him. Clark- I'm gonna let Wally have this one...after being unsure initially, but remembering that his girlfriend Lois Lane and Pal Jimmy Olsen gave him a chance after somebody decide to let his "darkseid" out. Diana actually forgave her mid-fight in Starcrossed...saying "I should let you stay here, but I won't."- that's the first time we actually see Wonder Woman be comic accurate...Diana Prince may not be the type to give second chances, but Wonder Woman does...because ultimately, Hawkgirl was still Justice League when push came to shove...she knew Wally was right...even if he's a bit impulsive...but not nearly to the extent his cousin is. Interestingly one could say that the whole JL/U series sub-theme? Wally's most likely right.

[@harryrao4296]

the reality is that Dc is built on batman/superman/justice league ww importance is lumped with other heroes

[@syppy7416]

the sad part is is that I genuinely see narrative value in the Trinity and don't just see them as a marketing thing like, Superman was born in another world but raised in ours, Wonder Woman has only recently joined our world and Batman has spent his whole life in it

[@gangofheroes]

Honestly I would say Batman was more self-isolated from the world despite being born from it.

[@valentinkambushev4968]

@@gangofheroes which is ironic, giving how often his world is isolated from the rest of DC.

[@syppy7416]

@@gangofheroes honestly that just kind of proves my point

[@syppy7416]

@@valentinkambushev4968 that's not ironic, that's appropriate

[@MisterPeckingOrder]

@@valentinkambushev4968Yeah that’s actually very not ironic.

[@gameandmoviecommunity5757]

- never have the trinity date. - Give WW that Animated show. - Tall Buff WW - Make them GREAT FRIENDS, A SUPER TRIO.

[@danic_c]

Agreed.

[@abdullahfahad53]

I’m actually fine with the dating as long as it’s written well, you can have a trio where 2 characters are dating for example in the harry potter books or the Percy Jackson books. Everything else I agree with, through. Idk why we had a Harley Quinn show before a Wonder Woman show.

[@Stuntmachine14]

SUPER FRIENDS

[@zettovii1367]

Tall, buff and sexy! Also Steve Trevor needs to be portrayed as the cool love interest he is! It's too often he gets sidelined for somebody else. ... Not that I necessarily mind shipping heroes with other chars for Elseworld stories, but dangit! If Lois and Selina gets the proper respect as the OTP for Clark and Bruce respectively, then they better do the same with Steve for Diana.

[@MC11723]

​@abdullahfahad53 right I want wonder bat

[@thatjackass1403]

Dc's true trinity Batman, Harley Quinn, Amanda Waller

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Ugh

[@clementine2234]

Wild

[@apollojustice5589]

I'm sick of Waller and Quinn. Not sure why they keep getting pushed.

[@valentinkambushev4968]

​@@apollojustice5589Queen - because DC wants to turn her into their Deadpool. Waller - because she is a tool to criticize modern America (something very popular these days).

[@srwondr]

Amanda is like Batman. The character is so moldable you can literally create comics on her forever, that’s why DC keeps pushing her. Harley on the other hand only came to popularity due to how many ppl she made horny in David Ayers suicide squad.

[@oreotaku4017]

DC Trinity in a sibling dynamic gives me life. I have no ill feelings for WonderBat or SuperWonder fans but them vibing as best friends or siblings is such a perfect move. Because that’s how it should be. They are all equal with one another.

[@realKarlFranz]

i really agree with you here

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

I hard agree with you here.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

My favorite Trinity portrayal is in Batman: Brave and the Bold. They all felt respected, even Wonder Woman.

[@harryrao4296]

DavidMartinex-cel3p ww has zero video games the chart says she has one based on the assumption that the game will come out which it most likely wont

[@jadecasssie]

"Name 8 Wonder Woman Villains that aren't Ares or Cheetah:" Chat, I think we're cooked

[@atchison8145]

Doctor Psycho, Doctor Poison, Silver Swan, Giganta, Veronica Cale, Circe, and Maxwell Lord (even though he originally started out as an ally to the JL).

[@cahe6161]

​@@atchison8145I put Angle Man in mine, don't even know who Silver Swan or Veronica Cale are 😂.

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

The Big 3 in Marvel Comics: Spider-Man, Hulk & Wolverine The Big 3 in the MCU: Thor, Iron Man & Captain America

[@T3aseW1thease]

just stop alrigh The Big 3 in Marvel IS Iron-Man, Thor and Captain America it used to be Spider-Man, Hulk & Wolverine

[@Acnologia-r3g]

@@T3aseW1thease those 3 are only the big 3 in the mcu Nowhere else

[@NHTube1]

@@Acnologia-r3gMarvel’s big 3 are the teams: The Avengers, X Men, and Fantastic Four

[@gangofheroes]

​@@T3aseW1theasethat's just the MCU, in comic it's Still Spider, Wolverine and Hulk.

[@T3aseW1thease]

@@Acnologia-r3g uhhh in the comics now? read the fucking comics bruh you'll see

[@goatbrook9065]

We the Big 3 like we started a league fr

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Rap music. 😅

[@montenegroafro4454]

They literally are the founding members of the Justice League 🚫🧢

[@Harleyxjokerforever]

"Motherfu--, the big three. Ni**a it just big me. Bum!!" (Batman)

[@joshuastoute7569]

​@@montenegroafro4454technically not batman if we're talking about the og story

[@Hellbat69]

Batman : mf big three ni..a it's just big me

[@ToonGrin]

I often find it frustrating that Guy Gardner is depicted as the "Jerk" lantern. Yeah he is rough that's for sure but he has solid pathos coming from a broken home, dealing with physical abuse, becoming a social worker that wants to help criminals rehabilitate and fit back into society. Yet, 9 times outta 10 some writer comes in and is like "nah he the dumb angry one though". It really sucks when certain characters get attached to certain aspects. - Batman being overly paranoid instead of just cautious. Or the idea he is a loner when he has more supporting sidekicks then any hero ever. - Plastic Man is a buffoon despite him being former CIA and was actually more straight lace in the creation of Jack Cole's era, the man who created him. - Lobo is a dumb meathead even though Lobo is not only a genius in multiple fields of science but his character works great as a commentary on real life events, but then any writer who comes on bored is illiterate when it comes to satire. Again, it sucks that certain writers get saddles with certain attributes. Ya notice no one brings up Hal being a pedo. But anytime Deathstroke shows up how do ya not compare him to Sgt. Hatred, haha.

[@terrysway7127]

I'd like to be where you are that Hal isn't called a pedo at every opportunity. Sorry, I agree with your points, but ever since Justice League : War i can't escape the people that make Hal an idiot or the people that call him a pedo because of one writer.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

They need to do more pure fantasy stories with Wonder Woman. You can do fun stories with Olympic mythology.

[@rafaelsantos-nl9jd]

i think is the other way around, her stories are too hyper focused in mythology

[@Hellbat69]

Hopefully the video game will do that

[@TheRealAdventureTimeMan]

​@rafaelsantos-nl9jd I mean god of war made a resurgence, and yh its Norse mythology but the interest and storytelling potentials there. I would genuinely give my soul for DC to follow a story that leans heavy into the mythology of olympus

[@rafaelsantos-nl9jd]

@@TheRealAdventureTimeMan yeah, but most Wonder Woman's stories are related to greek mythology, she needs a little more diversity in terms of plot

[@duncanharrell5009]

@@rafaelsantos-nl9jd A little hard when she regularly fights gods...

[@ryuoh6928]

The problem with the trinity is; one is over-exploited and milked to the extreme; the other is adequately used, but also often either the butt of jokes, misinterpreted or written down as overrated, ironically; and the third isn't cared about at all, except for the brief moments when the adequate creator gives her a chance to shine, which sadly, doesn't last long.

[@laisphinto6372]

All their blatant Talk and Shilling for Feminism but rather do thousands of dumbass Harley Quinn stuff bullshit genderswaps rather than making a Wonder Woman Cartoon Show.

[@lucascasaletta-holmes3993]

With Guy Gardner being in the DCU, and possible hints and setups to Justice League International in the Superman set photos, I am PRAYING we get a remake of Batman laying out Guy and the trinity laughing about it

[@SecretMagician]

I agree, I've only recently known about the JLI (with brief hints in the Batman: The Brave and the Bold cartoon having a loose adaptation of the team), but I'd LOVE to see that scene happen in live action with Nathan Fillion laid out by one punch by Batman.

[@minomorales2996]

3:27 bro said without ares or cheetah and I was COOKED on the spot😭

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

Ong same bruh

[@noah_of_babylon]

I had zero chance

[@Gogurtbump]

I could picture 4 but only knew the names of like 2. Shit had me blank

[@cahe6161]

I could only make it to 6.

[@dominothealphaandomega5512]

“Harley as a Possible 4TH Pillar” Yeah, No, that’s hilarious, we’re not taking That away from Heroes that ACTUALLY Deserve it, heck, even the Jonkler would be a better fit Why not just Make a Separate Trinity for the Villains? Joker, Lex, and Darkseid (And Maybe Harley can be a 4th Pillar of that) Give the fourth pillar of the Heroes side to Flash

[@tristanpelkey9109]

I like your post idea but man is it sad that WW doesn't have a villain iconic enough to fit on a villain trinity

[@dominothealphaandomega5512]

@@tristanpelkey9109 Yeah, It’s Depressing, closest we have is Cheetah, but DC lost any chance of that with 84, hopefully the Game can give some awareness and attention to her Foes

[@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω]

DC already has four pillars your argument (and by you i mean plural) here is academic Superman The original Dynamic Duo with Robin later becoming Nightwing and Wonder Woman

[@blueorangeade712]

@@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ωnightwing is not a pillar the gp still know him as robin

[@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω]

@@blueorangeade712 Dick Grayson's First appearance was in 1940 So he is a pillar Any character that have their appearance From 1938 until 1949 They are pillars Every character that have their first appearance From 1950 and 1960 Are first floor from 1961 and onwards Are the rest of the floors

[@thespectresociety]

So you're telling me, a story was pitched about wonder woman getting ganged up by men, and the people in charge were like "yeah I like that hey artist draw that shit!"

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

I mean DC is the same comic publishers that decided the black bomber was a good idea. If you don't know who that is I suggest looking him up it's so goofy.

[@youngk170]

9:21 i agree, i hate how wonder woman is always seen as a "side piece" to either supes or bats which is why im not a big fan of either of the ships. Also from what ive seen, fans tend to mischaracterise her and push their own narratives on her while theyre shipping her w any of them which is why i prefer the trio siblingship dynamic

[@corleonenightwing7410]

I swear, dc makes batman and his characters the favorite, Superman not being a boy scott and cool but making him boring, and Wonder Woman and her characters, the forgotten child out of the dc trinity

[@brandonscott4808]

Two things we need from DC and WB right now are a Wonder Woman: TAS and a Trinity film (whether it's live action or animated).

[@harryrao4296]

two things which do not seem like they happening

[@heathmiller9533]

It’s hurts watching injustice and seeing Wonder Woman and Superman against Batman

[@vaporsaver]

Wonder Woman makes no sense in that story, purely plot convenience.

[@odini5881]

​@@vaporsaver facts. If she was how Wonder Woman is supposed to be written, she would have definitely help Superman with his grief, not had fuel to the fire.

[@mrmacross]

Netherrealm Studios aimed for the laziest possible story: Superpowered Superman becomes the bad guy, Batman stays the hero, and for some reason Wonder Woman is Lady Macbeth. The Injustice Comic writers deserve a lot of the blame but NRS put them all in a bad spot by using a terrible premise to begin with.

[@Knightboy49]

Ngl when I was younger I used to think superman was boring and it's because the only superman I saw was the dceu one but then a friend recommended me to watch superman the animated series, justice league, and justice league unlimited and now superman is one of my favorite heroes as his story of trying to fit in is very interesting

[@Kalel2.0]

Not trying to push but I'd really recommend Superman and Lois its genuinely really good

[@Knightboy49]

Yea ima try it out​@@Kalel2.0

[@Knightboy49]

@@Kalel2.0 ok I'll try it out

[@dukeheavens9990]

😂😂😂 imagine thinking Superman is boring ,and watching the worst interpretation of Superman man of steel or batman v Superman,bro you must be 12

[@Knightboy49]

@@dukeheavens9990 bro that was the only depiction of superman I saw it was when I was like 7-8 after watching those shows along with seeing some of the popular comic arcs I completely think superman is a very interesting characters

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Wonder Woman just got a daughter named Trinity.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Oh yeah, I had forgotten about her

[@joeparrigen4982]

She'll be forgotten about in 3 years.

[@NightRunner2099]

​@@joeparrigen4982 Much like her twin brother.

[@giosbizarreart9048]

Which was a horrible idea and executed terribly

[@rafaelsantos-nl9jd]

yeah and her fandom is basically counting the days until King is no longer the writer and the next writer can ignore this daughter is a thing

[@eon001]

This is funny, I was talking to my friends sons about this. They are between that ages of 8 and 10. They were talking about the DC Lego sets. Out of where they start complaining that there was "too much Batman". I didn't prompt the conversation at all, they both blurted it out. The idea that Batman is the lead of the DC brand is a complete myth. Lazy corporations just keep going back to whats familiar.

[@Human-wd3nq]

4:16 There actually was a Death of Wonder Woman arc in the late 90s, where her mom accidentally got her killed and had to become the new Wonder Woman as a punishment.

[@jonmorris293]

3:20 Circe, Maxwell Lord, the poison doctor from the movie, Dr Psycho, Giganta, Eris from the comics... that's all I got. 😢

[@poetx505]

Pray for a WW that can act and has morals

[@duncanharrell5009]

I'd love one that has natural looks like Lynda Carter did in the 1970's WW show. IMO too much emphasis has been placed on Di as a warrior/Amazon... ignoring she also was blessed with insane beauty and a heart of gold from Aphrodite. I'm not saying she should look like a supermodel or anything but I'd like more of a balance between the Platonic ideals of a warrior and feminine grace and charm.

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman are heroes that we all want to be.

[@justluka7590]

Love me some Trinity but i need FLASH animated series. i hope its out while im still alive

[@Kalel2.0]

A Flash animated series starring the Whole Flash Family with Barry and Wally as the main focuses would go so hard

[@andersonkevindan1341]

Wonder Woman is precisely the balance between the morals of Batman and Superman, a heroine who is practically always showing her power not only by fighting, but with her kindness, that is sometimes as great as Superman's. DC in recent years has been sucking everything it can out of Batman, and he is an incredible character, but they are consequently relegating characters like the Martian Manhunter who has been pushed aside and doesn't even have the importance he once had in the comics, even cyborg who was put in his place is on the side lines and many others who could show their greatness. Marvel also kinda is doing the same with spiderman, because they are ignoring the gold that a new animation with hulk, thor, deredevil and so many heros that have a potential to shine, like the new X-men 97 tv show did.

[@TheScienceEnthusiast]

True! I was thinking about this the other day.. They do Wonder woman dirty the most. She needs more flushing out. People forget that Diana should even technically be the best "fighter" out of the trinity (Centuries of battle experience).

[@duncanharrell5009]

Eh yes but I'd argue more having the blessings of the Olympian gods. Most portrayals of Themyscira I see is them still being very Ancient Greece like so, while I certainly cannot knock her abilities at hand to hand and melee combat, she'll have a lot of catching up to do when it comes to modern tactics and weaponry.

[@valentinkambushev4968]

Don't say that! The Batman fanboys will flip if you say that their self-insert-I mean favorite hero isn't the best fighter.

[@dukeheavens9990]

​@@valentinkambushev4968 lol.. batman fans are just delusional

[@Hellbat69]

@@valentinkambushev4968 no one is saying that besides you lmfao

[@NJ-eo2oc]

​@@duncanharrell5009No, a DEPOWERED WW beat batman's as$ in h2h combat. he even admitted she's the best fighter on the planet

[@crimsonECH1DNA]

Batman: Motherfuck the big three, it's just big me

[@cristrollelgeekmaster4674]

3:23 1. Silver Swan 2. Giganta 3. Dr. Poison 4. Dr. Psycho 5. Angle-Man 6. Circe 7. First Born And, I'm one short

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

I forgot about Giganta, Cicre and Dr. Psycho ngl.

[@BubbleGum566]

Oh nah, Men running a train on Wonder Woman for her iconic story is crazy 😭

[@studio96films65]

I thought Rise of the Olympian was Wonder Woman’s version of Knightfall and Death of Superman. She goes up against a twisted and evil version of herself called Genocide and she beats her nearly to death and wreaks havoc everywhere while Zeus is creating a new warrior race called The Olympians which he killed a fellow god in order to create them in Wonder Woman’s name and then she denounces Zeus and is forced to leave the Amazons because of that.

[@thebloodedge284]

I never want to see Harley be part of the big 3.

[@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω]

BIG 4

[@julio.dealmeidabranconeto5831]

For those interested, here are some of my recommendations for Wonder Woman stories to read: - "Wonder Woman" by George Pérez; - "Wonder Woman" by Phil Jimenez; - "Wonder Woman" by Greg Rucka (both his pre-New 52 and Rebirth Run): - "Wonder Woman" by Gail Simone; Now, these recommendations are about comic RUNS. And while I found them all to be pretty easy to get into (you can just choose which ever ones you want to get into), some of you may prefer smaller, more self-contained stories. Here's some of my favorites: - Wonder Woman: Dead Earth; - Wonder Woman: Historia; - Wonder Woman: Spirit of Truth; - Wonder Woman: Hiketeia; - Sensational Wonder Woman (this one is a 12-issue series. You can read it all in one day); - Trial of the Amazons; -Justice League: League of one; OBS: She also is a prominent member of the second run of "Justice League Dark", where she gets to be an active member of the team, instead of being sidelined, as is often the case for her appearances in the Justice League...😒 One that I actively DON'T RECOMMEND is "Wonder Woman New 52". It's decent on it's own, but it's... (how can I put this?)... It has very "unflattering" versions of the characters, not to mention "controversial" decisions. Again, these are all of MY favorites. If you have any others to recommend, comment below. NOTE: I gotta agree with EVERYTHING the video said!

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

Thanks for the recommendations homie.

[@andresanguianozuniga6798]

WW being underrated by DC itself is a freaking CRIME. Part of the Trinity having sense is that the three are important: Batman: More terrenal and "realistic" (Crime mafias, Police and detectives, Simply dangerous criminals and thugs) but with kind of some weird cases like Poison Ivy or Clayface. Mr Freeze and Ra's Al Ghul are more "fantastical" but arr not too...they still are on the "science" side. Superman: More science fiction (robots, Aliens, Evil Corporations, galactic and even dimensional things). And Wonder Woman: More magical and even political (Gods, Godesses, Monsters, Sorcerers, Creatures, and some historical wars). The three are PILLARS of what the DC Universe is...even with others being in between or expansions...like Green Lantern being a more deeper space adventure...or Flash litterally being a middle point of Sups and Bats, with more police-like crime but with more sci-fi villains...more metahuman ones rather than just weird ones. Is part of balance.

[@lazaroskarmaniolas7410]

You were wondering what the equivalent of Wonder Woman's "Death of Superman" equivalent would be like, I'd say rhe closest we got is that time in Greg Rucka's excellent run where she sacrificed her sight and just kept kicking ass while blind for quite a few issues. Trust me, I'll take that over the dropped "The R*** of Wonder Woman" DC was considering.

[@GM-gb1eu]

5:00 apparently, fans consider a story where Artemis takes the mantle of Wonder Woman (simmilarities to Knightfall).

[@dramon5835]

My problem with Wonder Woman is that I don't understand her. What makes her tick, or what makes her heroic. Batman and Superman have a bunch of stories I adore, but I can't name one for Wonder Woman.

[@duncanharrell5009]

REALLY not helping is DC keeps changing pretty much everything about her and yet to say what of her mythos is rock solid and unchangeable: Two different origins (formed from clay on Paradise Island than given life and blessed by the Olympians or daughter of Zeus), Amazons flip flopping between being peacekeepers to straight up vile misandrists, her relationship with Steve changing between lovers to friends to a sorta father-daughter bond, what powers she has, etc.

[@valentinkambushev4968]

@@duncanharrell5009 someone really needs to get down and write down a definitive version of her character and mythos once and for all.

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

This is something I very much agree with it. Wonder Woman just doesn't have something I adore about her.

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

​@@duncanharrell5009We need a definitive version of Wonder Woman.

[@duncanharrell5009]

@@kermitgotthesickkicks4265 Whatcha mean by that?

[@yank3305]

The Real DC Trinity: Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman Vs What DC thinks the Trinity is: Batman, Superman, Harley Quinn

[@thesuperguy5557]

Superman the animated series wasn’t actually the last superman cartoon, was the last one named after him but legion of superheroes from the late 2000s is a superman cartoon in everything but name. He’s the main character of that show

[@billyboleson2830]

Not enough people talk about that show

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

​@@billyboleson2830it's a fun show. They only thing I wish they would've added is the romantic relationship between Lightning Lad and Saturn girl, since their relationship is so iconic.

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

Not enough people talk about this show I recently rewatched it. It's absolutely amazing.

[@superstarultra28]

You'd think after the massive success of Wonder Woman (2017), there'd be a lot more Wonder Woman shows and movies.

[@Agentunderfire]

Well the god awful second movie most likely killed the possibility of any of that. Plus restarting the dceu under a new direction & new actors killed the momentum.

[@joeker5208]

3:51 this guy is wrong. There’s three Superman cartoons. He had a cartoon in the 80s Yes. I am that guy

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

He said the last superman cartoon not the only superman cartoon

[@joeker5208]

@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 question. Did you check the timeframe I sent? Cause I’m very clearly talking about the Twitter user’s chart. Not what M said

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

Yeah now that I'm looking at it your right.

[@orkoskang7967]

​@@joeker5208 Ah, Joker. You sounded like Timone the Meerkat when you choked Terry McGinnis after mocking you.

[@musical_lolu4811]

Jeez.

[@Kalel2.0]

As much as i really like Harley Quinn its sort of weird how shes gotten more live action appearances than Green Lantern and received an animated series before Wonder Woman of all ppl and how it took less time to get a movie of Harley compared to how it took almost 30 years to get a Flash(Whether Barry or Wally)movie going

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Yeah, WB are overestimating her popularity. Just like they do with Teen Titans Go

[@snake7440]

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp WB only cares about money. the only reason why harley quinn is getting all of this is because of the beautiful margot robbie's live adaptation of her as people love her which is why they are trying to pour as much harley quinn content as possible.

[@valentinkambushev4968]

@@snake7440 and because they want their own Deadpool.

[@snake7440]

@@valentinkambushev4968 LOL they already have their own deadpool lel get it.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@snake7440 they didn't make money from any of the films she was Harley Quinn in. First Suicide Squad was just sort of moderately successful. 2nd one bombed and her own movie bombed. Where tf are they getting the idea that people want her in everything?

[@erichughes2024]

They ARE DC's greatest heroes for a reason. PERIOD!

[@NHTube1]

I prefer Flash and Green Lantern

[@erichughes2024]

@NHTube1 Cool, bro. John Stewart is the best Green Lantern in my opinion. I mean, I *am* kinda biased because of John's DCAU version, which is what introduced me to the character. 😄😄😄😅😅😅😂😂😂😂

[@NHTube1]

@@erichughes2024 👍

[@xl9583]

Flash (especially wally)>>wonder woman

[@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω]

DC HAS 4 GREAT HEROES SUPERMAN BATMAN NIGHTWING WONDER WOMAN

[@VasudevAnandcva]

Bro, Batman's my GOAT but seriously when you showed the statistics chart... 😭😭💀

[@superstarultra28]

You forgot about Legion of Superheroes, a very underrated Superman cartoon.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Snyder did so much damage to the character of Superman. He made him so boring

[@Hellbat69]

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp if you find his superman boring you didn't understand a thing about superman to begin with

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@@Hellbat69 unlike Snyder I've read more than Dark Knight Returns. I used to think he was boring, but I realized it's because of the modern adaptations of the character like Superman Returns and Man of Steel. Deconstructing the character into some god among men is not understanding Superman. Superman is the mask. Clark Kent is who he really is. A small town guy in a big city. Doing what's right because it's the right thing to do. He doesn't have to question it or think about it. He just leaps into action because that's how he was raised by his parents. With morals and values. Snyder couldn't even decide if he wanted to save Earth. What a boring conflict. He made Superman boring. Made him kill in his first appearance and die in his second appearance.

[@thatHARVguy]

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp The major lesson Clark learned from Pa Kent's death; he can't save everyone, but he'll try anyway. But nah, the option to let a child die to protect his secret, is cinema to Snyder cultists.

[@DRoyale1]

At the end of Age of Ultron, when Cap, Tony and Thor were talking about the worthiness of Mjolnir and an elevator, that’s how the Trinity should act with each other…that’s what I grew up watching in JL and JLU…

[@steamingkettle912]

Still heartbroken they won’t give superman and Lois another season

[@suryasingh9738]

Batman doesn't just have a lot of live action depictions, if anything he's got EVERYTHING except for a good live action show (Gotham doesn't count). He'll always be the GOAT to me, but I think it's time to give Wonder Woman and Superman good live action trilogies and video games like the Arkham ones.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

It all depends on the directors and writers. With Wonder Woman, they only focus on her feminist stories and with Superman they deconstruct him and make him like a god. Hollywood doesn't understand these characters. Honestly, the major films only tackle the same aspects of the character everytime with Batman as well. They don't take risks and try something new.

[@suryasingh9738]

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp I hope they fix all 3 of those mistakes you mentioned in the DCU. It might even improve a little from past versions in that area.

[@duncanharrell5009]

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp I'd love a Wonder Woman game that tackles the idea of Ares conquering the realm of Hades and you have to go down there and fight and rescue warriors and soldiers from all sorts of eras, as well as fight Daemon constructs of Ares! Imagine seeing Wonder Woman leading a charge of WW1 Germans, Romans, French knights, Russian Cossacks, Zulu warriors, etc against corrupted souls and colossal Daemon enemies straight outta DOOM!

[@valentinkambushev4968]

I heard they are making a Wonder Woman game and a Superhero game, but giving DC's latest games... yeah, I don't have much hope.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@@duncanharrell5009 man, that sounds freakin awesome! Which WB will never do it.

[@Hot_SpicyGrill]

The problem with the Trinity is that while Wonder Woman is the most recognizable female hero. She's not nearly as popular Flash, Green lantern (counting more then Hal) and Harley. She should be magic themed one. But most treat her like a stale Captain America with boobs.

[@sfkeepay]

Strongly agree with everything you said here. The first Wonder Woman film proved she can carry a hugely successful film in the modern era all on her own, when the character is handled properly. But the same was true all the way back to the sexist 70’s with her live action t.v. show. It just requires talented writers and directors, which she more than deserves.

[@thebloodedge284]

Tbh, since they're called the big 3, shouldn't they get more stuff in media just like batman. I want to see a really great Superman game and finally that Wonder Woman animated series.

[@Kalel2.0]

At least we're finally getting a Wonder Woman game tho

[@thebloodedge284]

​@Kalel2.0 True but I just more Superman and Wonder Woman in media you know.

[@Kalel2.0]

​​@@thebloodedge284Me too as much as I love me some Batman Warner tend to overely on him and while Superman currently has 2 well received shows and hyped up movie coming up Wonder Woman has just been there with nothing going for her which is a crime

[@magnum9588]

Paper Man, Mouse Man, Fireworks Man, Doctor Domino, That centipode monster Ares made that one time, Doctor Cyber, Silver Swan, Hades

[@joshuapboston1999]

I personally have no faith in the Wonder Woman video game that they're planning on making. Because guess what's tied to it? The exact same DEI/ESG firm that ruined Suicide Squad: Kill The Justice League, Sweet Baby Inc. Anything they touch becomes a financial failure, and even studios like Rocksteady shut down completely, or at best have massive layoffs.

[@kevintyson2937]

Im black but even I had to admit that Suicide Squad was such bad DEI BS. Like Deadshot, he had a whole back story and motivations in the arkhamverse comics but now he's suddenly a fake and the real deadshot is black? cmon bro

[@SapphireKnight675]

you'll think they would've done Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Trinity, then Justice League at this point, TAS did two out of the three

[@fm1668]

The problem is that Wonder Woman has never sold. As much as people complain that she doesn’t get enough opportunities on videos like these, even her best runs have never sold well. Batman and to a lesser extent Superman are so far above her in popularity and comic interest that I think it’s hard to justify her getting animated movies / TV shows.

[@GREG_Khar-NÜ-Metalhead2000]

Tru,she sucks,i care more about black canary

[@blueorangeade712]

We have kiteman getting shows

[@Harleyxjokerforever]

I find it sad how really obvious Clark and Bruce are closer friends than with Wonder Woman

[@vincentluong7550]

Hey bros before hoes. (joke/sarcasm) I mean it's makes sense some people get along with other people more than others. The only similarly superman and wonder woman have is that they have somewhat of the same morals and they are both godly powerful. While as batman and superman is such a dynamic between them. They have so many similarities and differences that makes you understand why they are the best of friends. They are both highly driven for the greater good, they are both essentially the leaders of the justice league with superman being the moral conpass while batman is the brains, and they are both dudes. But they also contrast each other really well with the both of they often covering for each other's weaknesses. Now while superman might not be dumb he is definitely dummer than batman. So batman is often the brains while superman is the brawn. Superman has more optimism while batman tends to be more cynical. Batman is rich while superman has reporter salary and whatever he gets from the justice league. They also just keep each other in check. Either batman is too cynical or superman is too optimistic and then they check one another. Additionally they believe if something goes wrong and if one of them went rogue for whatever reason, for the other person to take them down. Additionally they had so many adventures together where they have just built that trust and have that dynamic between them.

[@musical_lolu4811]

Bros before godesses

[@mrmacross]

In the Post-Crisis, pre-New 52 era, many comics said Wonder Woman was Superman's best friend. See "Our Worlds at War," or the WW runs by Perez, Jimenez, and even Rucka. The friendship just got downplayed in the DCAU for reasons. I tend to look at it this way: Wonder Woman is Superman's touchy-feely best friend while Batman is the guy he gets and much doesn't have to be said.

[@WeebGuru6]

I want some black canary love bro

[@travit666]

Kingdom come shows the Trinity at it finest

[@drifter52]

DC should stop using other hero's villains in solo projects when the one they are trying to focus on has a good number of villains

[@ngmajora6986]

Wonder Woman is the perpetual red-headed stepdaughter of the DC landscape, she's eternally left on the back burner

[@AndrewP0]

Its crazy that the current state of the Trinity and Harley Quinn all started with the success of the Injustice game/comic. That was probably the best time to give Wonder Woman a standout role but instead they gave it to Harely........the one that had a hand in the death of a pregnant Lois and the nuking of Metropolis.

[@jbbrolic]

I enjoyed the first 2 years of the Injustice comic, but around year 3 it became the Harley Quinn show and I found it disgusting that her role in the murder of Lois was basically completely ignored by the supposed heroes even though she never repented or showed remorse for it. It was basically Green Arrow and Canary "awwww she's wacky and zany... How cute!"

[@stardust948.]

I'm sorry they tried to do WHAT to Wonder Woman??!?!

[@ultimatefree8637]

Here are eight villains for Wonder Woman I could name off the top of my head. 1. Cheetah 2. Giganta 3. Ares 4. The woman who tried to kill all men on Justice League Animated Series 5.I think she fought Hades once in the comics 6.I think there a story where she fought against The KING (not president) of USA 7.The guy with the wish making powers in Wonder Wonder 2 8.DC for not making any Wonder Woman TV series or more original movies. The fact I struggle with this list show that DC done Wonder Woman dirty. Also Circe

[@alexkuczler]

Nice here’s a cookie 💁‍♂️🍪

[@alexkuczler]

But nice job

[@ultimatefree8637]

Thanks

[@kingxswager8420]

THAT DUDE IS DEATHSTROKE I THOUGHT THAT WAS SOME RANDOM DUDE

[@billyboleson2830]

The problem is that dc is trying to phase out Diana for Harley

[@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω]

HARLEY IS NOT IN TO BEGIN WITH SHE IS 35 YEARS OLD

[@elmuchacho3379]

For Wonder woman villains (without looking anyone up) I had giganta, circe, doctor poison, and i don’t know if medusa and hades count.

[@JonathanSantos-on3di]

3:17 M Enterprises: Name eight Wonder Woman supervillains.. Me: Ares, Cheetah.. M Enterprises: who aren't Ares and Cheetah Me: Oh..

[@DAMINATION_1]

0:55 i mean technically DC means "detective comics" which is batman's comic series😂 Maybe its been a long time coming

[@Dragon_Moth]

Giganta, Circe, Angle Man, Dark Angel, Blue Snowman, Dr. Poison, Dr. Cyber, Veronica Cale

[@clementine2234]

4:02 there is 25 batman video games???? Woah

[@zettovii1367]

Honestly, for as much WonderWoman is SAID to be one of DC's pillars, Flash generally seems to get more respect and screen time than her. It's really weird.

[@spiderman-2416]

Bro Batman has 35 Animated Films!!??? 😂😂

[@GREG_Khar-NÜ-Metalhead2000]

Real DC trinity is *SUPERMAN,BATMAN AND ROBIN THE BOY WONDER*

[@JaeMinJung.]

Ayo someone show this to JAMES GUNN so he can do something about it and stop the Wonder Woman disrespect and give her some true respect from all aspects of media.

[@TheShockVox]

Not sure I can name 8. Circe, Devastation, Professor Poison, Genocide, I could chest and just say the Pantheon but I won’t count that, Eris, Giganta, Doctor Psycho, Silver Swan….eh think that’s all I got. But that could also be a problem with Wonder Woman books too. While she’s in the trinity, she also just flat out doesn’t sell well.

[@christopherballero866]

This might be a weird take but I might consider Robin/Nightwing the 4th pillar of DC. Considering how many times Grayson has been in big shows very prominently there might even be an argument to put him above Wonder Woman

[@NJ-eo2oc]

Never lol

[@christopherballero866]

@@NJ-eo2oc Robin/Nightwing was at least in a lot more TV shows as a major part & I think he's been in about as many DC movies as Wonder Woman. Plus people can actually name many of his villains outside of the Batman ones

[@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω]

he is the third pillar

[@theanimekid7839]

Movie idea for Wonder Woman: Basically a bunch of men are going missing both criminals and civilians while simultaneously an influx of pigs or some other animal have been reported as well. The movie is basically Circe hates men and is turning them into animals while under the guise of a feminist politician and WW has to both stop the men from disappearing and catch Circe without getting into legal trouble/public scrutiny. The ending has Circe getting exposed for her crimes then goes on a state wide rampage on all males(Children too). At the climax of the fight she sees the good in mankind after a boy/young man takes a hit for WW after she gets knocked unconscious to give her a fighting chance, starts seeing first responders/regular people(Both men and women) aiding those hurt by the collateral damage, and military(Mixed genders) helping WW as calvary while she recovers from her injuries(Circe is technically a demigod and witch so she's really powerful). In the final clash WW extends mercy but Circe declines and takes her life out of spite, thus reversing her magic but not the collateral damage. We have an epilogue with both genders working together to rebuild and we have a volunteer group under the name of the dead boy who saved WW dedicated to helping those in danger(It could be a cameo name or something, Steve Trevor maybe?). Roll credits.

[@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω]

circe had no problem with odeseus or his son

[@theanimekid7839]

@@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω That's because she was attracted to Odesseus, she spared him so he can be her lover. The son was also hers, so she has a bias for him since he is an extension of 'her'. I'm not trying to make excuses for my idea, just repeating critiques of the myth that I researched(Online/Books/Essays).

[@andresacosta4832]

3:22 Off the top of my head...Circe, Veronica Cale, Doctor Psycho, Doctor Poison, Doctor Cyber...god, Diana has a lot of doctor villains...Giganta, Baroness von Gunther, and (ugh I hate that I know this one) Egg Fu.

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

Egg Fu? I gotta look this dude up.

[@valentinkambushev4968]

Doctors seem to have very villainous tendencies in DC in general.

[@andresacosta4832]

@@kermitgotthesickkicks4265 Racist egg villain from WWII

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

@@andresacosta4832 I looked him up dude looks so goofy. I kind of love it.

[@andresacosta4832]

oof I forgot about Angle Man and Silver Swan

[@dataweaver]

At the same time that Superman was sacrificing his life to stop Doomsday and Batman was having his back broken by Bane, Wonder Woman was being forced out of the role by her mother. This lead to a story arc where Diana was going about in a leather jacket, t-shirt, and Jean shorts just calling herself “Diana” and attempting to find out what was going on while a redhead with a ponytail called Artemis was running around as Wonder Woman. It was eventually revealed that Diana's mother had arranged to transfer the title of Wonder Woman to another after hearing a prophecy that Wonder Woman would die. And sure enough, Artemis got killed as Wonder Woman, and Diana reclaimed the title and avenged her. _That's_ Wonder Woman's “Death of Superman”/“Knightfall”.

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

interesting

[@thehullowed7217]

2:10 My man really became the Joker hearing that shit.

[@kevintyson2937]

What's sad is that I been reading George Perez's 1985 run on Wonderwoman for almost a year now and even I still struggled to think of villains besides Ares and Cheetah lol.

[@cmcanimations9970]

3:23 challenge accepted Dr poison, giganta, maxwell lord, Vandal savage, Felix faust, Medusa, Circe, Hades,

[@seatspud]

Angle Man? Egg-Fu?

[@reidcunningham5906]

Dr Psycho is a very under appreciated villain. I want to see more of him.

[@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω]

More Diana Clark Bruce Friendship Yes please

[@ronnn.10]

i consider myself a dc comic stan and when you asked about the wonder woman villains i genuinely was stuck lol

[@damienlarson4145]

Superman has Lois Lane Batman has Catwoman Wonder Woman has Steve Trevor

[@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω]

NOBODY CARES ABOUT LOIS LANE CATWOMAN AND STEVE TREVOR ANYMORE

[@damienlarson4145]

@@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω well I do. So leave.

[@mahdimarvi-hi9xt]

@@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ωI do 🙋‍♂️

[@Azubam03]

Tbh the only Wonder Woman villain I knew (excluding Ares and Cheetah) was Circsei because of DCUO

[@BainesMkII]

DC has a Duo: Batman and Superman. Wonder Woman had been big in the 70s and maybe 80s, but she'd already fallen far behind Batman and Superman long before DC decided to formally push her as part of the Trinity. If you ignore sex, equally strong arguments could be made for a number of characters other than her to take that third spot. Even if the Trinity has to have a female member, Wonder Woman hasn't been the "biggest" DC female character for a while.

[@fm1668]

Facts, her character comes with a lot of baggage and her villains our extremely lackluster.

[@ryice944]

@@BainesMkII 🙂‍↕️

[@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω]

THE THIRD SPOT IS TAKEN BY DICK GRAYSON WW IS ALREADY THE FOURTH PILAR THE ARGUMENT SHOULD BE ABOUT THE FIFTH PILLAR