Meta Quest 3 PCVR sim racing first impressions

[@BigDuke6ixx]

I've driven Spa in real life at racing speed. As with pretty much every track, the speed makes it feel really bumpy especially under braking where your vision is blurred by the vibrations. Real racing is like racing in a early gen VR headset. Reading signs in the distance? Forget it. You won't be reading them close up either, due to vision blur.

[@marshall6113]

I have to say, I was playing Project Cars 2 last night with Quest 3. The difference between my Q2 and Q3 is night and day. The clarity is incredible!

[@JasonStorm]

Yes, I couldn’t believe the difference, and to think I almost didn’t buy the quest 3 because I didn’t think PCVR was going to be that much different

[@jajantona]

What are your settings? I tried pcars 2 last night with my quest 3 and it was so blurry compared to ac or iracing. I used native res (1.5*) at 90 hz. I have a 3080. Didn’t change a lot of in game settings though

[@PhotoJohn80]

We’re you playing VD or wired? I tried VD and I get weird stuttering from the environment like when going around corners. Half life and Star Wars ran fine. I was using VD on high with 90hz and I have a 4090. Not sure what I’m doing wrong. My performance overlay reports 3ms for the game 4ms for decoding, 7ms for network and 12-14ms for decoding. Seems like good numbers. If I’m just sitting in the car and move my head around it’s smooth and fine.

[@deeper1993]

I am having issues while playing PCVR using Virtual Desktop and Quest 3; when any game starts, I don't see it in VR. Just the steam VR screen stays still. Any advice?

[@PhotoJohn80]

@@deeper1993 Have you tried launching the game from the virtual desktop app? Also see if the game isn’t minimized by accident. I’ve had that happen after launching the game. I hear it but nothing. Turned out it wasn’t in focus and clicked on it the icon of the game on the taskbar to bring it into focus

[@Smirk1979]

Yeah pushing the Quest 3 with a 4090 has just floored me, every game now runs and looks amazing beyond reason!

[@montys8237]

Do you think a 4080 will be ok with quest 3? In canada 4090 is over 2k.

[@roisingtommy]

@@montys8237 4070ti also perform very well with vr.

[@user-hb5rk7rw9c]

yes it will be i can max out settings with my 3090 and still get good fps @@montys8237

[@michael1]

Well, monty, it's like I said to my kids, do you want to go to school in new shoes but have every other kid know your dad only has a 4080 or do you want to do the right thing?

[@martintop2605]

AMD just improved the drivers for VR thats why you feel a deference, i had 6800xt taichi a year ago and it was a mess in VR. Even the tracking was not good. With the 4090 and open xr i run ACC on high/ultra on HP Reverb G2 solid 90fps in multiplayer. Looks much better even then the normal monitor

[@JasonStorm]

Good to know I didn’t know about the AMD drivers, I’ll look into it

[@MobileDecay]

I'm glad I'm not the only one that doesn't like ACC in VR. I'm glad I own PJC2 before it was pulled from Steam. I gotta try this on the Quest 3.

[@JasonStorm]

PJC2 was a great game!

[@MobileDecay]

@@JasonStorm Yes! I can't believe they pulled it in favor of the third game. 😔

[@JasonStorm]

@@MobileDecay I didn’t even buy it, for me AMS2 is the third game, while I didn’t like it at first it has gotten better

[@MobileDecay]

@@JasonStorm Yeah I didn't buy it either.

[@SuperRiki81]

​@MobileDecay you can still buy it through a "CD key" and download with steam. I did. Although it bleaks in comparison with AMS2 iMO

[@SaccoBelmonte]

I played ACC for a year with the Q2 and a 3090 and it was quite smooth even with the extra mods and Link/VD running at 1.5x. Haven't tried in the 4090 yet and will do once the Q3 arrives for sure! BTW: Probably your Q3 is chewing battery cause is running at 120Hz.

[@OkiDingo]

PCVR on quest 3 has a max of 90Hz at the moment.

[@dtrjones]

No it doesnt @@OkiDingo I'm reliably informed Guy Godin's Virtual Desktop can enable 120Hz. From this video, It's also a bit of.a stuttery mess using wireless but form the forums and Redit these things are easy to fix - definately need to reduce the Hz though in a demanding title like this. It's a great headset for wirelss play, probably the best out there.

[@chrisc3825]

90 Hz is the limit in Link mode, at least with the cable. 120 Hz definitely works in stand alone. Not familiar with house VD works but if it's not using Link in any way, then maybe it can leverage the 120 Hz since I assume it's running in app in standalone mode.@@dtrjones

[@JasonStorm]

I don’t think it was 120hz, i did some testing today and I set everything to 90hz and even sitting in the home environment with the link cable plugged in it still seemed to be draining, I don’t think my usb c port on my motherboard is giving it enough power, it’s a 3.2 gen 2 port so I thought it would be enough but I have ordered a new link cable capable of having additional power hooked up which should help

[@SaccoBelmonte]

@@chrisc3825 VD supports 120Hz but the headset must be at 120Hz already in the settings. Unless the Quest 3 can dynamically change rates (that would be sweet)

[@syntheee]

I'm going to get this on black friday. Want to use it for Iracing and with standalone apps. Hopefully my PC (Nvidia 3070, AMD 5600X, 32 GB RAM) is powerful enough.

[@JasonStorm]

Yeah, you should be fine with those specs

[@syntheee]

@@JasonStorm THX for your reply, I will give it a try.

[@nololol]

Please do a follow up with tray tool. The quest 2 was on its way out of the door then I learned you could 2.5x the bitrate and changed everything. I wonder what would happen here?

[@eclipse245]

Would be interesting to hear the opinion of someone that has been using a Reverb since the resolutions are basically identical and the Reverb is like 4 years old now

[@aj_avant]

Does anybody know what kind of Mercedes he’s driving in the video?

[@NathanHo08080]

I have quest 3 as well, it is clear but there is simmering and anti alising issue when i look far. I did use quest link instead of virtual desktop. Im wondering what setting did you use?

[@JasonStorm]

I had 120 hz ticked in the headset but other than that I didn’t really modify anything because this was just a first impressions video, I’m going to go deeper into the settings for my quest 3 for sim racing video and it’ll go through a few games and settings, in ACC I’m using a modified version of VR high settings from memory

[@Dex2R7]

Can you please try to show some latency numbers when you do the full review? I'm torn between a Quest 3 or Displayport HMD like the Reverb G2. I've seen some reviews that show the Quest 3 at 45-55ms on both wired/wireless which is playable but not great.

[@dsz14]

Reverb g2 owner here - unless you reeally need to buy a VR now, I wouldn't recommend it.

[@martintop2605]

For PCVR and if you do competitive racing reverb g2 is better (i have it) but you have to use open xr and have nvidia card above 4080 (i have 4090) . Quest 2-3 will be more versatile and confrontable in wireless mode , and probably will need less tinkering to run smooth.

[@Dex2R7]

@@dsz14 Why wouldn't you recommend it? I know it doesn't have nearly the features of the Quest 3 and it's becoming outdated but it still seems like a good choice for super low latency.

[@JasonStorm]

I did some testing wireless and my results were 55ish ms for wireless so similar to what you have seen elsewhere but need to test wired still

[@Dex2R7]

Cool. Let me know or i'll be looking out for a video@@JasonStorm

[@nipdrops]

I'v played AC and ACC on Quest 2 and Reverb v2 and ACC was always trash. AC looked way better. The main reason I sent them back was because of the small sweet spot. Reverb was sharper, but smaller sweet spot. Quest 2 was softer overall but sligtly bigger sweet spot. The biggest flaw was not able to see whats in the mirrors just by looking away of the center and small viewing angles. Are you able to clearly see what's in the mirrors without moving your head but just by moving your eyes?

[@JasonStorm]

That probably depends on what you have your FOV set to but yes I can, the new lenses are very good

[@loflux]

@JasonStorm Cool video, I'm almost sold on upgrading from the PICO 4, which looks great in all the other sims bar ACC ....Any chance of showing what it's like through the lens and with other cars, as that seems to be the biggest issue with ACC in VR ? The detail in the distance appears to look a lot better though...

[@JasonStorm]

I’ll see what I can do

[@ronaldchapman6505]

Would love a 4090 But melting is Big Deal

[@yellowboat8773]

Battery charge rate also depends on the wattage of what your USB c port can output

[@JasonStorm]

Yeah, running on a usbc 3.2 gen 2 port but yes I don’t think it’s giving it enough power

[@kasra8106]

Thank you so much!

[@fortheluvofthegame_]

WOW! Looking at getting a Q3; Running GeForce RTX 3060 currently. Wondering if that is 'enough' ... May just do it and have to tinker a bit.

[@JasonStorm]

Should do, just have to tinker with the settings a bit

[@yoanandreev9375]

Is a rtx 3070 enough to handle the Quest 3?

[@stinkfinger001]

Are all vrs so shaky im just gettin into sim racing im on the fence between triples an vr but with how shaky it looks i feel that would hurt the eyes. Is that an effect from it bein recorded or is that how it is for the wearer aswell? Thanks

[@stevecrawford4831]

Just an effect from the recording. You’re seeing all the micro head movements he’s making. It’s smooth to the user.

[@JasonStorm]

Yeah, as Steve said it’s different when you’re in the headset, it’s not that shaky, your own head movements plus your eyes stabilise what you’re looking at

[@eugenecia9424]

I have trippels and pico4, I play VR occasionally. Trippels is a little less immersive, but Trippels has a larger VOF, better image, no lag, and much more comfortable. When I play VR, I set the world scale in Steam VR to 110, which is more similar. with reality. Gives more immersion. I also have a motion rich, so you will experience neck pain with VR glasses.

[@Bordz_92]

I’m curious what it is about this headset that it’s actually a lot easier to run through link cable than anything else I’ve ever used

[@JasonStorm]

Yeah, I get that too and I’m not sure 🤔

[@Riguezjr]

what you using virtural desktop ?

[@nipdrops]

Hi there. The battery is draining even with cable plugged in? Doesn't that calbe also charge the headset?

[@dtrjones]

Yes no it doesn't sustain it unfortunately. I don't think this person has it plugged in though. The figures I saw playing a demanding game was for 45 minutes the headset when plugged in used about 20% of battery. Still not great but you should be able to get 3 hours 30 minutes of play, that drops to 2 hours 'ish without the charge cable. Hopefully that helps! Ps in passthrough these figures will be even worse!

[@JasonStorm]

Yes, the cable was actually plugged in for this, keep in mind I had 120hz ticked as well which draws a bit more but I think the battery has gotten a little better, maybe it needed a few cycles. It will probably continue to drain a little but I have ordered a cable I can run additional power through to see if that helps

[@nipdrops]

Yes, maybe your cable doesn't support fast charging

[@XelaTroll]

Good video, I have a couple of questions that no one can answer for me, please help me. The first question is if I can play while charging the glasses and if I could play for 4 hours straight without having to stop to warm up, etc. I think I've heard that there are experimental 120hz, but that 90hz is normal, the maximum, so what is it? Is it worth the glasses or buying a 49-inch curved monitor??? It's just that with my level of English it's difficult for me to understand everything HAHA.

[@THESHADOW97139]

4 hours of games, personally, it will be on screen so as not to destroy my eyes... I sometimes watch a KZbinr who only used VR, and overnight, he started having major health problems with its use. Now he uses a 49 and limits his playtime on VR. From what he explained, there are more and more people who are starting to have problems. Keep in mind that there are no studies on long-term VR use....

[@ericwhiting100]

The Kuject link cable may be the answer to battery life issues in PCVR. I had battery drain issues with my Quest 2 until I purchased the Kuject cable. It has a port to inject power from the headset charger and maintains the battery at about 75% charge while you play. I can run double stints in endurance races with no worries about a dead battery. Will be curious to know if it will work the same with Q3

[@JasonStorm]

Thanks, I’ll look this up

[@JasonStorm]

I find different VR headsets are worse then others for this, the quest 3 I haven’t had too much fatigue as yet but due to me having to make videos on it since it’s release I haven’t played in VR more then 45 mins or so in one sitting but I was going to try use it all day to see if I had any adverse effects but even on my cosmo elite I do have a bit of eye fatigue even at 45 mins

[@RyanEllerbe]

I have a cable that charges while it’s connected to the PC. It shows that it’s charging but haven’t seen if it’s charging enough yet.

[@foreverdoomedvolt]

Hi, What GPU are you using? any spec of PC?

[@JasonStorm]

AMD Ryzen 9 5900x, 32 GB ram, AMD Radeon 6900XT GPU

[@foreverdoomedvolt]

@@JasonStorm I'm considering this GPU, but lot of past review said that AMD GPU is bad for VR. Any trouble with 6900xt so far?

[@JasonStorm]

@@foreverdoomedvolt no, seems to be fine for me

[@foreverdoomedvolt]

@@JasonStorm cool! thank you!!

[@johannesburgreal441]

thanks, can you clearly see the text on the dashboard?

[@JasonStorm]

Yes

[@maximilliank6339]

Would a i5 12400 + 16GB ram + 7800XT PC be able to run AMS2 and Iracing on a quest 3? I dont race in ACC.

[@JasonStorm]

Should do, AMS2 and iracing are a bit easier to run than ACC

[@carlosangalang]

I enjoyed your 1st impression of the Quest 3 playing ACC in VR. If I only wanted to spend no more than $500 for a PCVR headset strickly for ACC and AC, is Quest 3 it? I'm not likely to play stand alone Quest games. And I'm more than happy to spend less on a dedicated PCVR headset, if there is one that's worth it. Perhaps Rift S?

[@JasonStorm]

Hi, thanks, yes, the Rift S is a great headset in my opinion but I don’t really use mine anymore for a few reasons, meta doesn’t support the Rift S anymore so you would have to buy second hand and if there’s an issue with the cable or something they can’t help you, in saying that newer VR headsets a come a bit of a way since then, resolution is better, screen door effect is better, lenses are better (on most headsets anyway), tracking algorithms are better, I personally find the head tracking to be better on the quest 2 and 3 compared to the Rift S and the Rift S is limited to just 80hz, the few benefits to the Rift S would be lower latency, more comfortable out of the box and if your using a lower to mid range gaming PC the Rift S is an easier headset to power with a lower end GPU but I would probably go a quest 3, there is the HP reverb G2 which is popular for sim racing as well but I haven’t used it and would probably only recommend if you have a good GPU, I have heard good things about it, I have debated buying one to try it out but I went a HTC cosmos elite with gear VR lens mod instead

[@Crazy2limchai]

Please review with carx drift.. ☺☺☺☺

[@2CAINEF3X]

The battery "drain" issue is really just exposing aged/ faulty motherboards. I remember when i did a MOBO+CPU upgrade on my quest 2 and it never died unless i let it. Still have same wire

[@johnangel5134]

So it doesnt stay charged with the link cable?

[@JasonStorm]

No, quest 3 uses a bit more power

[@daviddenuwelaere4021]

Is the 128gb version enough for simracing?

[@JasonStorm]

you don’t install sim racing games on the headset, so yes.

[@naitai8775]

Anyone answer please so i just bought the quest 3 for pcvr specifically for sim racing i havent used it yet because its on the way would i need a strong graphics card to make look like this i currently have 3060rtx i hope it runs this smooth or i will just later upgrade to 4060ti for pcvr

[@JasonStorm]

Depends what titles your planning on running, most titles in sim racing are pretty good with a 3060 but you won’t be able to run max settings and resolution in this game (ACC) in saying that, ACC performs better on Nvidia compared to AMD in my testing by 20 or more FPS with equivalent graphics cards, (keep in mind ACC is also CPU intensive when racing against AI) I have a 3070 that I used to use in my sim and it actually worked well on high settings but 3060 you may have to run mid settings in this game, other sim titles like AMS2 and factor 2 and iracing will be okay though

[@icantwait]

Is there a conclusion section?

[@JasonStorm]

No, this was just a first impressions video, I’ll be doing a review dedicated to sim racing and it will be a bit more structured than this

[@ivana6141]

What gpu do you recommend for pcvr sim racing on the quest 3?

[@filipivan5125]

Recommend ? The best your wallet allows. Generally tho u want that stable 90fps. Also different games, diffferent performance so depends on what u play.

[@JasonStorm]

@ivana6141 Depends what games you play, assetto corsa is one of the hardest titles in VR on sim racing and if your planning on playing that I would go with the best you can afford ( I’m running a 6900xt which was best at the time in the AMD range anyway) but if it’s iracing even a 3070 is fine but some titles are not just GPU limited but CPU limited as well especially for multiplayer

[@JasonStorm]

I did some testing in this video with a 3070 in assetto corsa competizione and even that did well AMD Radeon or Nvidia GPU for Assetto Corsa Competizione kzbin.info/www/bejne/enaxZYCso7Kpq8U

[@ivana6141]

@JasonStorm I'm planning to get into vr sim racing and I hear it can be difficult reaching constant 90fps in vr. What is your experience?

[@JasonStorm]

@@ivana6141 only if your running a entry level to mid range PC, even with a 6700xt graphics card I found it to be okay in VR, but if you check out the video I linked above it will show you frame rates with 6700xt and Nvidia 3070 in triple screen, single screen and VR and both these GPU’s are mid range these days

[@SJkopa]

QUEST 3 is CRAZY!!

[@bradcoutts2185]

Anyone done a similar test with a 3080? Cheers.

[@mclarenrob2]

looks a bit soft compared to GT7 on the PSVR2

[@JasonStorm]

Good to know, I have never used psvr2

[@mclarenrob2]

@@JasonStorm foveated rendering really gives it a boost

[@alexandrem78]

What GPU do you have?

[@JasonStorm]

6900xt, I did mention this in the video

[@alexandrem78]

@@JasonStorm Thanks, I'll watch the whole video now.

[@michaelpickford7298]

Can you buy a cable that can charge at the same time?

[@jajantona]

@@michaelpickford7298no existing motherboard will keep up with the power usage. Best bet is to plug it in the wall with a brick that matches the power usage of the quest.

[@jajantona]

@@michaelpickford7298with quest 2 you can easily play indefinitely when linked up. No longer the case with Q3 :(

[@TheSeanyJC]

I'm on a ryzen 5 5600g, rtx 3060 12gb, 32gb 3600mhz ram, 1tb nvme and for the love of me I cannot make my vr run any game smooth (pc vr) IVE tried every res every low setting tried via vd, steam vr etc. I'm seeing people play exactly how you are now on a 1050ti its a joke