Wooden Dummy Application with Icy Mike from

[@metrolinamartialarts]

So what's your opinion - is the wooden dummy worth it?

[@blockmasterscott]

Yes, 100% worth it, for the arm conditioning alone. And also, something that people that never have trained on the wooden dummy that is often not realized, is the "fun" factor. If it's fun, you're gonna do it more.

[@thestruggler340]

I did wing chun for years and would highly rate the wooden dummy, helped so much with muscle memory and my trapping and like you said was great for conditioning. The downside it costs quite a bit and could probably make the same progress with a training partner

[@bigwavesun]

In Wing Chun it's worth it to correct the over-turning of the waist new guys do as well as using BOTH hands simultaneously. I find this to be an issue with JKD guys as they have kinda cherry-picked what they use from the base art without analysis of why it was done the way it was.

[@backwoodskarate9300]

Yes. Made me one. In my backyard. got two vids messing with it. I see the dummy as a punching bag with arms for me personally.

[@MiamiJeetKuneDo]

The dummy's definitely worth it even if just for developing the proverbial ability to cut through opposing arms like butter!

[@3Devilish3]

One of my favorite things about IcyMike is he will trash talk something for literal years but the second someone actually shows him it's value he will immediately accept that his original idea may have been wrong. It shows why he is such a good teacher, because he is a good student.

[@utubepunk]

This isn't the compliment you think it is.

[@indrannjeganathan3268]

​@@utubepunk😂😂

[@_Sam62]

@@utubepunk Maybe not exactly a compliment, but certainly true. Mike already has an opinion in advance, the positive thing is that he dares to change that opinion publicly.

[@utubepunk]

@@_Sam62 Lol. He gets it right... eventually. Again, not impressed.

[@Xokken333]

@@utubepunkyeah because you’d just be right about everything ahead of time

[@gmkgoat]

I love to see Mike smile at Kung Fu shit like "wait, it's not all nonsense"

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

I mean, he always ends up like that everytime he gets taught something by someone that actually knows how it works

[@vsquan1]

@@jestfullgremblim8002 Ya man, I like how you can tell Mike is evolving too. You can see him putting the pieces together.

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

@@vsquan1 yeah

[@1Invinc]

I love how everyone, no matter how jaded, gets that childhood wonder reawakened when we learn that Kung Fu isn't bullshit. There's a ton of rubbish and bad kung fu, but just that glimpse... that hint that Kung Fu works... that triggers this nostalgic response. Good Kung Fu and good applications of Kung Fu is the magic unicorn of modern Martial Arts.

[@watamutha]

@@1Invinc Yeah I mean I've practiced it most of my life. I could see why fighters/brawlers dislike it but there's an elegance to the whole thing. I've read about some fighters who practice kung fu just to forget things and go into the flow. We all don't have to be all out brawlers or kung fu specialists.

[@reeseblakeney7917]

So glad the Hard2Hurt cinematic universe is going strong and introducing me to great content. Big time subscribe.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

🙏🙏🙏

[@zjaeriqsanders1731]

Lmao finally someone put it into words

[@Ensiferum888]

"This is cool" - Icy Mike Anyone who laid their hands on one of those has uttered these words!

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

True

[@rocirish76]

Absolutely. It's the newest piece of training I've been working on, in traditional wing chun.. It's awesome. But you need an instructor that not only knows the form, and the general applications, but also has enough experience to look at the multitude of various other applications that can spring forth from the general moves.

[@pugperkins420]

Is anybody gonna praise the glorious "leg muscles" moment?

[@metrolinamartialarts]

LEG MUSCLES!

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

Ikr? I was about to

[@thetalantonx]

What is that from?

[@drummachine5787]

@@thetalantonxit’s sergio from practical combat martial arts

[@randombencounter263]

I think as far as dummies go, the old school wooden one is actually superior to the modern bobs or grappling dummies. It's rigid and hard, but it's not immobile, you move it around and it moves back against you through gravity and inertia. I think it's the closest thing you can find to a dummy that fights back.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

I just got a grappling dummy and haven't gotten a lot of time with it yet.

[@1individeo]

Personally I think this one is better than anything else in the market kzbin.infoWxs1xeYM1rY?feature=share

[@Arcana437]

Well o don't like a bob, i use old tires, definitely better than a bob for me, grappling dummies wouldn't be inferior to wood since you can't really grapple with the wooden one in the video😅

[@kennethpickens4084]

Well said

[@genebrohan2401]

The dummy is like the saying it’s what you do with spaces between the notes in music

[@IzzoWingChun]

I need to come down and have you guys pick my brain on anything.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

That'd be rad

[@theshadows.sanctum]

As a karate practitioner I've never used a wooden dummy but if I ever get the chance im sure I'd never stop playing with the thing. Similar to the makiwara I think the biggest advantage to older striking surfaces is they give tactical feedback with your techniques. With a heavy bag while it is versatile it's basically a giant marshmallow to absorb impact so you don't feel alot of feedback with your technique. Also because there is a level danger because you inherently know that you cant strike with alot of force without hurting yourself it forces people to be more methodical and focus on the forms and mechanics of the technique.

[@MbisonBalrog]

Many heavy bags are really stiff and hard.

[@philosopherboy]

Turns out if we don't dismiss something at first glance, you might actually see the benefit! I don't want to go too far down the "these practices existed for a reason" road (it's pretty bumpy), but it's worth remembering that the people that came before us weren't stupid. Related - solo practice in general isn't as great as a partner, of course, but you don't always have a partner - especially nowadays. Or maybe you just want to practice between classes. B/c I only see my students 2x a week, I have to think about that as an instructor and provide them exercises they can do solo in the comfort of their home, too.

[@dmfaccount1272]

Many who came before us, and who are here now, were and are indeed very stupid.

[@jc-kj8yc]

Exactly! Like in every other field, recent martial artists are standing on the shoulders of giants. Doesn't mean that the giants sometimes tripped and fell, but discarding old information without evaluating it properly is just next level stupid.

[@JosephFlores-yn4yi]

@@dmfaccount1272 but many who came before us, who are with us and would come after us were, are and would be smarter too

[@DamKaKaDaNi]

The wooden dummy is the training partner that never quits

[@metrolinamartialarts]

It does not! I always quit before it does lol

[@lulumire]

@@metrolinamartialarts Because it is not a training partner. Wooden dummy is the master. In your solo training it uses to calibrate your techniques, angles and distances. You can see it like a type writer machine with always the same space between the same perfect printed letters. It’s a coach, not a training partner subtitute.

[@codforlife]

Mike has always been a low key kung fu nerd. But his thing is pretending he doesn't like it. Well done!

[@thorthethunderdawg5289]

It being for conditioning makes sense, similar to the Makiwara but so much cooler. Certain forms not being "allowed" on the internet is some outdated thinking and makes it sound cultish and/or mcdojoish. Once again a great video, loving the content.

[@valetudokungfu1718]

This type of wooden dummy is not for conditioning in Wing Chun or jeet kune do . The forms not allowed thing is stupid , this guy has no idea what he is talking about. The wooden dummy is a sensitivity training tool. When you are a beginner in Wing Chun , or do not have a sparring partner is considered to be the most important times to use the wooden dummy. This guy uses it all wrong . Extremely rigid. Movements should be smooth. Many other Kung fu styles use wooden dummies for conditioning, but they are different types of dummies that have rope or padding and different arms , legs , or hanging bags attached. This guy is just not very good at ving tsun or JKD , and has a limited understanding that explains what he knows, he was likely taught by some major Bruce Lee fan boy. JKD was never meant to be a fighting style and Bruce's moves not to be repeated . He taught learn everything, pick what you like , practice double on your weaknesses, learn to defend, go back over what you don't like . Just keep growing. When everyone in a style looks the same that style has failed you.

[@thorthethunderdawg5289]

@@valetudokungfu1718 If I went to any gym for martial arts training and your pushing Lucha Libre (aka Mexican Masked Pro Wrestling) and Parkour on me, I know you can't fight. It's literally that simple, lets breakdown your McDojo You call yourself Vale Tudo but train Mma? Which is it cause you can't or at the very least shouldn't train both and you're a fool for thinking otherwise. Bartitsu or Boxing and Jiu-jitsu? cause you have them all listed like a pretentious asshole. Call yourself Kung Fu but only train Wing Chun everything else is european and japanese or Bruce Lee. You say in your comment above Bruce Lees technique wasn't to be repeated, but still train JKD. EVEN THOUGH YOU SAY IT ISN'T supposed to be a style. Which is it? Yea I'll totally trust the Mcdojo with 5 sub whos full of contradictions over the video evidence where I could see for myself what was happening...By the way, your website was designed by a 12 year old and it has the appeal of such, You didn't mention HEMA, but have a picture of a knight on your website when the only weapon style mentioned was Iaido, you did mention weapons training which is about as descriptive as kickboxing. Your full of shit and trying to take the steam out of others sails because you feel (rightfully) like a loser. Take your response and shove it cause I aint here for your b.s.

[@hourglas]

@@thorthethunderdawg5289 although parkour wouldn't be bad for self defense. Not fighting. Sometimes it's safest to run, like when your outnumbered. Being able to quickly vault an obstacle is a practical as being able to proficiently land a strike. However, yeah it won't teach you a damn thing about fighting. Only crossover is cardio and overall body/spatial awareness.

[@thorthethunderdawg5289]

@@hourglas That I understand. My only real concern is all the contradictions on their website with what they were saying. I smelt Bullshido so I called it.

[@hourglas]

@@thorthethunderdawg5289 oh. True. Just the grammar alone stunk like faux intellectual. Bullshido being not far behind. Lol

[@FreestyleMartialArtist]

I’ve been DREAMING about this video for years now! So excited to see you tackle it

[@metrolinamartialarts]

This is just the tip of the icberg imo. I love the wooden dummy.

[@FreestyleMartialArtist]

I was not disappointed. Mike’s comparison to the speed bag and cost benefit was spot on 👍👍👍. Ed, your hair looks good.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

@@FreestyleMartialArtist I'll take it 🤣

[@metrolinamartialarts]

@@FreestyleMartialArtist yeah Mike did an excellent job of analyzing the dummy.

[@FreestyleMartialArtist]

@@metrolinamartialarts honestly I’m a big fan of the wooden dummy purely from a martial arts geek perspective BUT, I do genuinely think it’s a great way to introduce hand trapping and clinching to martial artists who might not grasp the concept when there’s a live human in front of them. Some people learn better with tools, and the wooden dummy, while an EXPENSIVE tool, is a good one.

[@HarleyAssi]

Love how the person behind the cam couldn'r surpress a giggle after "LEG MUUSSLES"! (1:30)

[@metrolinamartialarts]

She wasn't expecting it lol

[@Tempest2228]

A lot of the wooden dummies whether for Shaolin, or Wudang are great solo training tools. Doesn't beat having a training partner but a nice substitute. Great video!

[@JEM-fo6rs]

Really good video guys. Mike on the Wooden Dummy hats off to you 👏🏾. As a Boxer/WC guy I feel it’s a great tool for developing touch and correct positioning. Not to mention condition. Pushing the arms into the corner is all about forward intent and training the ability to use two arms simultaneously or independently for blocking and striking. The final movement or close is called a double Kan sao. That actually ends with a arm break. Most lineage of WC finish with that but JKD might have a different perspective. I’m enjoying your dive into JKD.

[@StefanoGreco-c6k]

Many compliments. I"m a wing tsun teacher and weather we are on different lineage I want to say that you are an inspiration to everyone.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Thank you so much!!!

[@arbogast4950]

Have you checked out the Choy Lay Fut dummy at all? It has a spring loaded arm for pulling down. Hung Sing Martial arts shows it a few times. Great content and music there at the end. I love ATLA

[@metrolinamartialarts]

I haven't - I should check it out!

[@ehisey]

Dont you mean dummies? There are either 14 or 19 different ones. I forget which off the top of my head.

[@arbogast4950]

@@ehisey I guess lol. I'm not a CLF guy

[@ehisey]

@@arbogast4950 I rabbit holed kung-fu Dummies a few years ago. Turns out there are a lot of style that use them and a lot of variaitons. Technically the WC dummy is really only the short body wall mount version. Ground set were pretty common. CLF went nuts in the development of specialized dummies for various level and skills.

[@florisvanlingen]

There's footage availlable of Ip man doing the dummy online. There is of wong shun leung and many more. Those forms were always accessible. The only one that wasnt taught to outsiders was the 3rd form bil jee, but that was in like 1950. The reason was that the 3rd form exposes weaknesses in wing-chun theory.

[@kevionrogers2605]

Interesting how does the third form exposes weaknesses in Wing Chun theory?

[@ehisey]

It is one of the ways to break wingchun. Also takes strong fingers.

[@florisvanlingen]

@@kevionrogers2605 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mH-mm52MnJuMm9E 2.40 is when david makes the statement.

[@kevionrogers2605]

@@florisvanlingen pinsun, gulao wing chun teaches those concepts from the being, and biljee being a wing chun form means those concepts are part of the system and not separate from it. Your original statement makes it seem as if biljee isn't wing chin kuen. Even in Boxing various front facing and side facing stances with different strategies and tactics for them, yet it doesn't break boxing.

[@florisvanlingen]

@@kevionrogers2605 That's your interpretation of my comment. I never stated the 3rd form is not part of wing-chun. The reason it might have come across that way is because my original comment was on the topic concerning secrecy of forms. I do not agree with the secrecy statements made in the video but had to mention bil jee.

[@stevenrichardson4928]

I love your curiosity and enthusiasm! The Dummy may not be worth it without instruction in Wing Chun in general, as it provides the opportunity to apply WC technique and instruction regarding the best use of the Dummy as a training tool. Otherwise, "winging it" without learning the basics can lead to engraining bad technique as habit. It could also lead to injury.

[@TOMMYBOY6969]

Great video. The Wing Chun dummy is an excellent tool to practice when you dont have a partner. Most people dont realize that it can even be useful to practice boxing like moves. And like you said, most people dont see the connection to boxing from the WC dummy moves when in fact all of the dummy moves can be translated into simple boxing techniques !

[@gw1357]

I've never done formal wing chun, so I don't know any of the forms and its possible that I'm doing it all wrong. That said, trapping/clinch/in-fighting is my preferred ranges, so I love the wooden dummy. The more you incorporate movement, the more you get out of it. People always picture the Donny Yen videos with long rhythmic exchanges from a solid base and, yes, they're beautiful...but I find that I get more out of the wooden dummy by incorporating a lot of movement and shorter combos -- breaking centerline as you trap to set up a decisive combo -- rather than trying to do one long flowing form. I also do some knife stuff on the wooden dummy.

[@RareGem369]

It’s all energy. Tap in guys! 👌🏽

[@stephenfawkingiii8779]

I used to train on the dummy easily 2 hours a day for 3 years, its good for developing mirrored techniques, bone strenghtn,angles, and footwork. It's about time Mike opened up his eyes.

[@angeltower9]

My dad has played this game with me my whole life that according to him is called "Qi sao" and I'm pretty sure it's exactly what this dummy is supposed to simulate. He even emphasizes the part about not breaking contact with the opponent.

[@stevenrichardson4928]

I have seen this referred to as "Chi Sao," or aka, "sticky hands." Maintaining contact is important during much of the dummy form. Although, some sections include kicking from distance, followed by entering to achieve contact.

[@user-qv4fp9vm8u]

And it does help a lot honestly

[@Metaphysicaljournal]

That’s cool he’s been teaching it to you as a form of play/game. Part of the benefit of sticky hands once you’ve practiced it for a while is developing sensitivity to your opponent’s force and redirecting it without getting locked up or giving yourself away, maintaining control. I practice this in class with a parter or my teacher about once a week. It’s an interesting mental exercise as well as physical when you add in forward intention.

[@hiddenpathwingchun5045]

Your dad is correct. Chi Sao. Contact allows control. Ip Man said: "Rush in upon loss of contact". We should be soft & "beside" the line. However, the Wooden Dummy is more a meditation upon lines of energy [with structural feedback]. Chi Sao is interactive energy-play [like surfing]. Both are useful, but both have different uses.

[@Kaneliquid]

“癡手”

[@robbanbobban2]

Mike is slipping closer to Wing Chun with each video. Oh the times we live in...

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Lol a time to be alive

[@EpiphanyMindChange]

4:40 😂 this is addictive. Now I know why they do it

[@metrolinamartialarts]

🤣🤣🤣

[@2002kirbow]

I just keep hearing the Ip Man soundtrack theme when either of them starts using the wooden dummy

[@PooleAcademyofWingChun]

Your double gang is chasing hands the way you are applied it

[@shadowfighter6445]

Wooden Dummies look really fun to work with. I should get myself one in the future. Thank you for sharing ☺️.

[@jaywilliams6250]

Make one!!

[@shadowfighter6445]

@@jaywilliams6250 I'll see what I can do 😄.

[@afrobeat4576]

Don’t waste your time. Your opponent will move

[@notusingmyname4791]

ok so the "arms" of the dummy do not always represent punches or your opponent's arms, or even the leg... they are just contact points, they can represent shoulders, neck (if you get your opponent to bend down or when they try to duck incorrectly... like I do every time I duck.. every... time...), the upper arms can even represent legs for higher kicks, the lower arm (leg) can represent the arm, neck or head of an opponent who's downed trying to get up.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Definitely

[@EternalArtsTex]

Even my northern kung fu teacher has a wooden dummy. It was such a fun tool to use. Cool video. Love seeing Icy Mike find value in it! Subbing!

[@MikePrime13]

Great video. Couple of comments and thoughts to share as a Wing Chun practitioner/brother: 1. In my opinion, as of today, most, if not all, Ip Man Wing Chun lineage techniques and principles have been publicly disseminated by various sifus and practitioners. Therefore, the notion there is a "secret" behind closed door technique to me is like the Kung Fu Panda Dragon Scroll -- there is no secret technique but the practitioner itself. I will say that in my view, the variations of different lineages (including Bruce Lee and JKD) comes from Ip Man's informal approach in teaching wing chun -- he just thought what he knew at the time, and from what I was told by more senior wing chung practitioners, his teaching style and wing chun evolves as he gets older. 2. With that being said, I just want to share what I learned about the dummy in terms of using it as a training tool: First, the dummy really helps to train positioning relative to the opponent. This is a key learning point for wing chun techniques because you really don't want to overreach (and bend over your vertebrae) or scrunch yourself (to the point your arms do not have leverage) relative to the dummy body and arms. A somewhat famous example of this would be the photo of a young Bruce Lee training with the dummy where he was leaning forward -- obviously this was perhaps taken when he was younger, and still learning the nuts and bolts of wing chun. The dummy really helps with positioning yourself (and a mirror near the dummy is extremely helpful) to see yourself as you train to make sure you are not developing bad habits and improperly applying techinques at suboptimal distance from the opponent. Second, the dummy helps to tighten and coordinate hand movements. Tightening means that you would want to optimize the hand movements such that you are turning the arms as tightly and as efficiently as possible (without any unnecessary and/or wide turns). Coordination meaning that your body moves in sync with the technique, i.e., blocking and attacking simultaneously. Thus, the audio feedback from the dummy can reveal whether someone has the correct timing in executing the technique or not. If the timing is right, then you will hear everything hitting the dummy at the same time. Conversely, if you hear multiple hits on the dummy on a single technique, that implies that the footwork, the block, and the strike are not in sync with one another. Third, the recoil of the dummy also tells you whether there is sufficient forward force by the practitioner toward the opponent. At least in wing chun, all the force exerted should be directed toward the core/center mass of the opponent, and any hand movements/blocks are incidental to the forward force toward the core of the opponent. As such, if someone overexerts (famously termed chasing the hands) and applying lateral forces that are not directed to the core of the opponent, the dummy will have a very different recoil/reaction -- if the dummy are moving/recoiling sideways, then the force are not being applied properly toward the center core. 3. On the dummy construction, the traditional dimensions as one person I saw online pointing out, are measured to the proportions averagely built of a chinese person (5'5" to 5'8"), and therefore for some larger/smaller practitioners, some customization may be needed. Some dummy modern dummy makers start to realize this and offer customized dimensions of the dummy tailored to taller people who may have larger body frames. As such, do query whether the dummy is properly built to a person's size if the movements feel awkward -- it may be that the person's size is not matched to the dummy's proportions. Hope this helps!! Thanks for making the video.

[@61countdown]

Good comment. If I may add some more basic info, and confirm what you said, the movements, ideally, are always towards the opponent's center line, while protecting your own. So in this case, the vertical axis of the dummy. Ideally. The dummy is used for correcting and refining your technique, practicing moves and getting feedback. But it is not a replacement for hands-on drills. Also, too often one sees wooden dummies that have not been set up correctly and who do not give the correct feedback. Not quite sure about this one as I didn't watch the whole video but so far, at 10:44, I didn't see any blows with any real power. I'm not entirely sure this dummy would stand a few blows from my old sifu, especially as it has no support along the top that I can see. Imo, it should be set up in a specialized frame. Also, he needs to drill holes in the ends of the arms and leg and stick pegs in them. The proper wooden dummy is made from teak because of its hardness. You will splinter and shatter other woods long before you will teak, especially once you learn to apply real power, and not just show off speedy technique. I'm sure there are some who will disagree. Cheers.

[@KarateTVtraditional]

I made one for myself after watching ip man ..I don't really know what to do with it 😝.. thank you for this video sir ..👍🍻

[@ry4n737]

Same here.. seeing "hard to hurt"guy going in for a turn is neat to view...but I know he can crush through all of any of these wing Chun movements in seconds, I've trained in them and applied them..super hard to make work every time..there will be times we're you can "pak and punch " but you got to be fast and on the ball... nice video

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Thank you sir!

[@latetodagame1892]

Find Augustine Fong's videos, or train with him or one of his students.

[@mjb7015]

One of the things I love about the wooden dummy is how versatile and flexible it can be. The techniques I use and the way I use them on the jong look almost nothing like anything in this video, and then you look at other kung fu styles that use the same dummy, like some lineages of hung gar (and choy li fut has its own unique wooden dummy setup with a counterweighted lever arm) and southern family styles, and they all use the same tool in a huge variety of different ways. As a training tool I think almost any style can use it to enhance their training, as a substitute target that roughly approximates a person, and punching or palm striking a solid hardwood target with your bare hands will definitely give you good hand and knuckle conditioning over time. I think people who look at the wooden dummy and think "oh, that's only for wing chun, I don't know how to use it" are talking themselves out of an excellent versatile training tool.

[@johnryan4769]

The look at the camera after he "said mine is way nicer than this one" 🤣

[@farstrider79]

Only got to use one of these once but thought it was interesting. It was in a JKD class and Luke you said, I didn't have a LOT of training in Wing Chung so I didn't get a lot out of it. Unfortunately that was my experience with a lot of the class. We bounced in-between so many things like Wing Chung, Kali, boxing, Mui Thai, etc. It was a good way to dip my toes into different stuff, but I never felt like I could focus on anything long enough to actually get good at it. Fun class though.

[@stephanwatson7902]

Tao of jkd has moves from judo/jiu-jitsu, wrestling, muay thai, boxing, etc, all main styles of modern MMA. Alot of useful concepts, that many high level MMA fighters use. Tried to tell Mike that its alot different than people think

[@mikelundun]

Its handled very differently in different styles (i dont want to use the L-word) of wing chun. There are definitely styles of wing chun who have this on the internet. Best breakdown of the dummy I've seen is from David Peterson. You can google him doing the form and find it right now - probably find exerpts from the break-down video he made. Its supplemental to hitting stuff and working with a partner though.

[@gabrielrae7647]

Whats the L word?

[@mariogarcia1599]

What are your thoughts on Wing Chun wooden dummy portable arms? I want to learn martial arts and don’t have much room in my house and So maybe should buy the portable arms that way I train outside, but the weather would also a problem or the wall-mounted. Don’t know what to do.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

They're great!!

[@maddinkn]

One thing is sure, you do watch Mikes videos! Should have jinxed him 👀 Great video! Love your synergy. Keep it up

[@melissaviolin4050]

I'm a big fan of Icy Mike, glad this was recommended to me by YT - super fun and informative, i'm subscribed now! Looking forward to more.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Thank you so much!!

[@Oldaker7]

This is great content I pinky promise. Awesomeness in technical applications in everything you do.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Thank you!!

[@darkarts_grappling]

In addition to my last comment. Inosanto IS a wing Chun instructor, so are most of the instructors at the academy. We cross train with Francis fong and we have to learn the Wing Chun sets as well as the JKD sets

[@martialartsauthorreacts5495]

Awesome video Sifu Ed. I think it can be worth it if you put the effort in wanting to work with it. The coolest thing is you posted this video on my birthday. Mook Jong application can work for any style of martial arts. Of course you can get bob with arms as well and modified your heavy bag with the three arms like you see in a mook jong but minus the leg. MMA gyms can benefit from this as well because you can easily modified it to in what you are trying to teach. It looks good on a heavy bag but you get more of a visualization on a mook jong "wooden dummy" because it can act as a simulation of in having a partner. Not saying that mook jong can replace in having a partner to train with, but a good tool to have to train with at home if you have the luxury to have both mook jong and a heavy bag. If you don't have the money then you can make one for cheaper then spending about 1000 or more on one.

[@badtzmaru17]

I just bought mine a couple weeks ago and I live in an apartment. I cannot hang a heavy bag, speed bag, or suspension bag, so the dummy (on the corner frame) is perfect. I noticed a punching bag gives a lot of creative freedom (mentally) whereas the wooden dummy forces you to maneuver around the arms, making you consider your body positioning throughout training. The wood helps to harden the hands and wrists, and yes, you can even punch your dummy (with or without a pad). I've studied a lot of different styles and Wing Chun is the best option for crowded environments (bars or subway cars) or in any situation where your opponent is trying to take you to the ground but is untrained (think of being "muscled" and not a well practiced jujitsu takedown). Hitting the dummy with very close punches and elbows has helped me to build confidence in very close quarter situations where it doesn't start as grappling, but could lead to either a boxing distance or a transition to the ground. Imagine turning around while putting your wallet away at an ATM and someone has quietly sneaked up on you. Wing Chun and the dummy are perfect for forcing opponents out of that personal space.

[@watamutha]

Going off what you said, the punching bag gives you more freedom in movement b/c it's used in an environment which is more open in which you can back off and re-engage (boxing). The dummy forces you to maneuver around the the body and think about your own positioning b/c it's designed for close quarters more in mind in which the fight can be over very quickly and in tight spaces (hallways, elevator, subways etc).

[@WCGMartialArts]

That first move he showed you can be likened to the unders and overs drill movements. That's often how it's used in Wing Chun.

[@jacobharris954]

No, it meant for a quick 1-2

[@KCstark.]

I had same thought as Mike before this video 🥲

[@metrolinamartialarts]

😅😅😅

[@saint2279]

My teacher shared a name for the Jong (dummy) that was shared with him: the Kung fu protractor. If you make contact incorrectly, it corrects your angle(s) a usually through pain.

[@someirishkid9241]

Just come back to this and Mike's comment about collar ties has reminded me: other wing chun people, am I right in saying some of the forms include reaching behind the whole dummy to pull it? It's been like two years since I trained on a muk yan and I never got to do it very much, but I seem to remember that being a movement. Am I just making that up? Anyway, if so that's something I'm sure Mike would love; having a way to practice pummelling for a collar tie and pulling on it with real force seems like it's right up his alley, kinda like his suggestion of using a heavy bag laid flat to actually practice ground-and-pound.

[@amospizzey1]

100% right . That’s the opening of the form ( on both sides )

[@someirishkid9241]

@@amospizzey1 oh, nice! glad I'm not misremembering, thanks for telling me

[@chopsueykungfu]

Ramsey Dewey says the speed bag is the boxers equivalent of doing forms. It takes technique and timing to do it right, and will increase those traits. I bought a dummy for $600 last year, I think it was a really good deal. I had to stop going to my wing chun classes due to a persistent shoulder pain, so the many months off have more than paid for the dummy.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

That's awesome!!

[@harlemdeni]

Came because of Mike, stayed because of the quality. Cheers from Macedonia!

[@robertmedsker5305]

I custom built a dummy 10yrs ago wall mounted with springs and iron pipe arms at 24in long . It will hit back and you can blast full tilt with lots of feedback...

[@stevenrichardson4928]

The Dummy helps train distance, angle, touch, and timing. Some regard the Dummy as a sparing partner and try to overpower it. Traditionally, as I understand it, that is not it's purpose.

[@OneNvrKnoz]

Icy Mike brought me here. Awesome content dude! Subbed!

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Thank you!!!

[@stephanwatson7902]

MMA fighters who use JKD concepts and techniques and even fight powerside forward: Anderson Silva-right handed southpaw, Jon Jones-left handed orthodox, Israel Adesanya-born left handed fights orthodox (ambidextrous). Silva even outright says he uses Bruce's techniques, but watch them and look at their knee stomps and oblique kicks, their hybrid stance (not quite square, not quite bladed), their mostly vertical fist, specific distance management and specific footwork patterns. Especially Israel's drawing, feinting, intercepting/countering game, it's very similar to the countering that Bruce's notes describe (in the Tao of jkd). They owe that to alot of things, but they all tall about Bruce and what they've learned from him and how ahead of the time he was, mixing martial arts 20 years before UFC-1 BONUS POWERSIDE FORWARD FIGHTERS! Dustin Porier-right handed southpaw, GSP left handed orthodox (GSP said this was his "secret weapon", Colby Covington-right handed southpaw, Cyril Gane-right handed southpaw, Tony Ferguson-left handed orthodox, Wonderboy Thompson-right handed often fights southpaw (he switches alot, like Izzy does). Yes most these fighters fight well in either stance, that's the point of training powerside forward; it gives you so many more weapons and angles. It allows you to fight fluidly with the human body, no matter where the fight goes

[@BMO_Creative]

I think it's worth it like using a BOB is worth it... Now I want one!

[@paksau1]

Mike, Ive been with you from day 1....what I have to learn is when I see someone training the Jong with mistakes...it's "their way" and not mine! I have been training TWC for almost 20yrs. When I got out of my own head...this was a great video!👍🏿

[@watamutha]

It's fun watching someone get excited learning something new.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

It really is

[@aarkproductions]

My initial worry with wing chun is that it's not a complete martial art, it's a sub style of the northern Shaolin and for me to bring the wing chun guard into a ring when wing chun only exist within close quarters or phone booth type situation, But if you add shaolin principles, the art of wing chun should apparently be more complete, because most of the stances in shaolin are way more effective in grappling context, I mean why would I want to stand doing a fancy stance in front of a boxer, Especially when in shaolin there is a guard similar to a boxers stance, so how a practitioner of both would want to stand is like a boxer, When in closer combat like in the clinch, that's where your wing chun exists, as icy mike brought up, you can switch that one punch into a grabbing the nape of the neck, This is why bruce lee gave up on wing chun and surrounded it with philly shell style boxing, because that's what the art was lacking, Real Shaolin was what bruce beeded to understand And if you dart past footage from 1890 mongolia they even start doing shuai jiao and it starts to look like jiu jitsu

[@aarkproductions]

I also really liked the message of this video, that if you know why you're doing this training and it serves you well, And it's just simply fun then by all means

[@JKDVIPER]

6:44 all the mook jong sets are available free on KZbin guys. Ok

[@metrolinamartialarts]

10 years ago they were special secret sauce

[@manncavemoment]

I really like these videos both the Kali and Wing chun stuff it's answering questions I've had for a long time about these styles about the practicality of these moves

[@joennejordbaer]

Nice collab! You 2 do great together. Have been watching some of your other videos you've made. You're real good at keeping your stuff applicable. I like that! Subbed

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Thank you!!!

[@davidbenavides4116]

Many many benefits to training the wooden dummy. 2 major points missing in the video is angles and working around an opponent that is stronger.

[@ives3572]

"Absorb what is useful, discard what is useless, and add what is specifically your own." - Bruce Lee

[@silverfox8801]

Yep. And he discarded wing chun in favour of better arts.

[@vksasdgaming9472]

@@silverfox8801 There are no better arts. Only better fighters and he did not discard it as he kept what he found useful.

[@heavybolter6396]

@@vksasdgaming9472 except there are markedly "worse arts" an example could be keysi

[@vksasdgaming9472]

@@heavybolter6396 I have studied enough martial arts to know that everyone labeling anything as "worse", especially if they claim to be "scientific" or "objective" have not studied any martial art.

[@willowelizabethryder4141]

1:25 unison bonus!

[@jake-gd8rb]

I like watching mike learn new stuff dude isnt afraid to fool around

[@NostalgicTribe]

It's totally worth using if you know how to use it. It fixes your structure, angles, and pressure. And you have to understand how to apply or adapt movements.

[@SifuJackSoderberg]

I like your video your a very openminded martial arts teacher I started training on the mok Jong since 1981 i had to wooden dummies one multi purpose long range wooden dummy Guru inosanto loved and a PVC made wing Chun wooden dummy as well . I met inosanto in 1980 in Torrance school. I trained with Guru dan many years in chicago plus Guru trained with my teacher Grand master wai lun chois plus the thai boxing guy was great much respect sifu Jack Las Vegas jkd kali kung fu multipurpose wooden dummy.

[@SodaPopin5ki]

I was surprised to hear JKD folks going easy on the dummy. I really only know Inosanto "lineage" and Guro Dan always emphasized hearing that loud clack on the kyun sau and double tok sau. Anyway, great stuff! Think I'll go play with mine right now.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

I think it happens sometimes because people don't want to hurt the dumny

[@SodaPopin5ki]

@@metrolinamartialarts interesting. Maybe it comes from a time when people couldn't get robust dummies, and they could easily damage it.

[@derekhoyle5371]

I would like more JCVD impressions please

[@UniversalJudoAcademies]

What is the reason that certain forms cannot be shown on the internet and whom is the authority governing this rule?

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Meh, some old heads will not like it. But I won't be like excommunicated or some something

[@UniversalJudoAcademies]

@@metrolinamartialarts We have the same old guys and godfather types in judo. Weigh up the pros, cons, rights and wrongs. Then do what you believe in - you won't regret it, even if it goes wrong. As for clicks and excommunication - You're in a beautiful position where you can become / start "the click" if needs be. The old boy networks are disintegrating for better or worse. If you hold the knowledge and can dispense it in a scientific and objective way that will enrichen others and your own learning experience then its worth considering and may help to promote / provide appreciation for the martial arts that you are clearly passionate about.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

@@UniversalJudoAcademies excellent pointers, honestly. It's interesting because I've met some old heads who hate me, love me, or just don't get it. It's really an interesting thing this zeitgeist we're in. Thanks for watching and giving your feedback

[@UniversalJudoAcademies]

@@metrolinamartialarts thanks for the videos brother. Have fun and do what makes you happy. You guys are killing it. Love your little martial arts group.

[@dallasburnworth]

Ah, the telltale "Inosanto Instructor's Snap". Good stuff!

[@robertdecker146]

That one Jackie Chan movie has the best demonstration of fully utilizing this uniquely devised Gung-Fu training device.

[@manncavemoment]

You've gotten me really curious about this stuff now could you do a video about the stick disarms you managed to pull off in sparring or even show how wooden dummy forms that can apply to real application like what you showed icy Mike

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Absolutely! The wooden dummy one is coming soon.

[@aiden6106]

funny how in a previous video mike was shitting on the wooden dummy. Love what you all do.keep it going brothers

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Will do!

[@mikekasy4127]

A terrific training apparatus. After some practice an issue becomes not hitting it too hard to keep from breaking

[@choxoletyo8518]

2:18 mans got 3 fingers and he can snap better than me

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Only on that one hand though lol

[@choxoletyo8518]

@@metrolinamartialarts still one more snapping hand than me

[@moneyfornothing3264]

I love the wooden dummy!! Great video!!

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Thank you 🤗

[@fightefx]

Cool that was fun to watch!

[@bucharest50044]

I personally think it could be therapeutic for me. I just don't have room. I live in a small one bedroom. It's expensive in the Seattle area. I have a elliptical and exercise bike were a table should be, a total gym folded laying against the wall and random dumbbells and kettles on the fireplace. As soon as I get a bigger place I will get one.

[@junkjouster]

You need to make a video of techniques that only you can do. Or just moves that you have found that work better with your injuries. Or even a video about the positions that you have to muscle through like you said.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

I can totally do that

[@beaustover8124]

hey Ed I live in the Seattle area. I have cerebral palsy but I've loved Jeet Kune Do for a long time. I take Brazilian jiu-jitsu and they're looking to add moytie into my gym. i was wondering if you could recommend me a school that's on the more self-defense side of things and won't poo poo me simply because I can't do all the forms. really any recommendations or advice would be greatly appreciated, thank you sifu

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Not sure how close you are to Bremerton, but there is a great school called Shaolin Mixed Martial Arts that teaches grappling, JKD, and Kali!

[@willms7173]

4:57 Resembles the single whip in taiji quan.

[@camiloiribarren1450]

*Icy Mike works the wooden dummy* Icy Mike: *like Neo in the Matrix* I know kung fu

[@arphaxadarphaxad1592]

basically, its kata... but in place

[@silverousleonidas5790]

There are attachments that could be placed on heavy bags that might work if you want more options.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

They do sell those

[@jorel80]

Yes! Yes! Yes! The dummy is solid (see what i did there). Like Mike said, it exposes you. I would add that it forces you into proper footwork and balance in order to move the dummy and move WITH the dummy. There are so many great things you can train with it, clinching, intercepting, sticking, stepping INTO THE LEG...

[@stevenrichardson4928]

May I suggest contacting City Wing Tsun on-line for input regarding Wing Chun and the Wooden Dummy? I'm sure they would welcome the contact via phone as well.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

I have a friend who visits who just got his "Sifu" title. I should ask them!

[@stevenrichardson4928]

@@metrolinamartialarts Knowing about City Wing Tsun is invaluable in any case; leading exponents of Wing Tsun in the United States and arguably in the world.

[@ehisey]

To Mike's comment at 8mins. We have a saying in our school "Brother Mook is always ready to practice, and never gets tired".

[@all9472]

Can u do a video on grappling using a sarong or kust any soft materials like a tie rope etc.....

[@metrolinamartialarts]

That's a good idea!

[@hanaehanaess642]

@@metrolinamartialarts thats seems like a fun idea i dont see alot of those vidoes online

[@danzfloor1]

Totaly agree....I use the Wooden Dummy f.e. when I'm realy exhausted from the training, sparing or whatever, so I dont cool down but can continue doing techniques and get ready for the next round....Its a win/win situation at this point. ;)

[@BFMVFL]

I think this actually has a lot of relevancy for like a Thai clench, just feeding strikes in close range down the pipe

[@sugacanebeats17]

Mikes understanding of Wing Chun is better in 13 mins than most ppl spending decades in it. Its spose a set of principles (Like JKD or MMA) to be applied, expecially goes well to boxing/brawling. Not some rigid choreographed crap.

[@SupremelyBX]

Cool video, although I personally wouldn't use the application against the jab you showed. A person doing an actual jab would pull their hand back immediately after completing the punch before you had a chance to complete the huen Sao (the circling hand movement). Just my two cents.

[@vsquan1]

Yo what is up with your arm? Frame 5:24. Are your forearms that tempered? Getting checked by a stiff forearm hurts too.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Broke my arm as a teenager and the set it wrong

[@vsquan1]

Looks rad man!

[@Itsolaskancke]

I really like wooden dummy training, but I think I have a case of the JKD, and being too gentle with it When I was taught the drills I was told to "not fight force with force" and I guess I took that to mean "Don't go hard" Appreciate your perspective sir!

[@dirtpoorchris]

Ive never used one but its supposed to be good for practicing your elbow push power and your wrist pushing power. Teach you how to put your waist into your elbows. So if your enemy invades too far with an arm you can make him stumble just by attaching your elbow push to them and help them stumble/collapse some structure. Ive used trapping in a fight tho and clammed a dudes chicken wings up to get in free hits and make them panic.

[@leewightman8001]

Are they only used for wing Chun or can u use them for other styles of Kung fu