MHMD [02] The Jews in 1000 BC & the Christians in 387 AD all used MHMD!

So, can Muslims claim that their Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, was the first to use the name "Muhammad"?
The answer is obvious...of course not. The word Muhammad, or rather the four consonants which are the root for that word MHMD were well known and well used long before the Muslims stole it and applied it to their prophet.
Mel, using A.J. Deuce's research, takes us back to the time of king David and Solomon (around 1000 BC) where in Psalms 68:16 and Proverbs 12:12 we find this same root in Hebrew (note: both Hebrew and Arabic come from the same root, and only used consonants in ancient times, so that the letters HMD would be the Hebrew equivalent to the Arabic word MHMD, later applied to the prophet of Islam sometime in the 8th century).
In both Hebrew and Arabic this word meant "lovely, or desired, praised, or pleasant".
When we refer to the famous and popular verse used by Muslims to try and find their prophet Muhammad in our Bible, that of Song of Solomon 5:16, we find it saying "His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is ALTOGETHER LOVELY (Machmad). This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem".
The word 'Machmad' here can be translated as "desired, praised, pleasant, or lovely" which in the context seems to refer to the author himself, in other words to King Solomon, and that is the meaning the Jews today give to it.
In 387 AD, however, Saint Ambrose maintained that the word 'machmad' in Song of Solomon was to refer to Jesus. It was this meaning which the church then applied to this word all the way up to and including the 7th and 8th century, when the Qur'an was supposedly written.
Therefore, both the Jews in 1000 BC and the Christians in 387 AD had used this word "MHMD" long before the Muslims then grabbed it and applied it to their prophet sometime in the 8th century AD, proving yet again that the man Muhammad wasn't a historical figure at all, but was nothing more than a borrowed name taken from the Jews and Christians before them, much they did with our scriptures.
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[@carelvanheerden6589]

When Jay came to our church in Cape Town last week, it was a prayer answered because I'm talking to Muslims that speak bangla and they believe firmly in the Quran but not one of them actually read the Quran busy translating the PDF to Bangla hoping and praying it helps them cause they dont understand English well.

[@alonzoharris326]

The trinity is three gods.

[@MU-we8hz]

​@@alonzoharris326allah thinks Miriam is in the Trinity 😂😂😂😂😂

[@alonzoharris326]

@@MU-we8hz Why do you believe in three gods?

[@MU-we8hz]

@@alonzoharris326 why does allah think Miriam is in the Trinity?

[@MU-we8hz]

@@alonzoharris326 allah has competition? Allah is the best of creatorS? then We developed the drop into a clinging clot, then developed the clot into a lump ˹of flesh˺, then developed the lump into bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, then We brought it into being as a new creation.1 So Blessed is Allah, the Best of *Creators* .

[@vicmath1005]

St Ambrose is featured on the video. But did you know that Ambrose is the Greek form of the Aramaic/Arabic name 'Umar?

[@IslamicOrigins]

Yes, I did. Red Judaism said that.

[@JK-zl7vv]

I noticed when debating muslims on the issues with Mohammed, they do not stay focused on your proof, and on what your saying, if I was a Muslim I would want to know that beyond a reasonable doubt that he is the messiah, but for some reason, they do not listen and research your claims, instead, they go off in left field, repeating what they had been told by their elders instead of researching what the elders said, and discern it, to see if it aligns with the Quran, because when you read the Quran to them to back up your statements, it's like they are hearing it for the first time. I hope more muslims will research what your saying, and realize that Jesus is the true messiah. Time is running out for them to get this right, judgement day is closing in.

[@s.d.melcher]

I have noticed exactly the same. 😔

[@samuelflores1419]

Since they Can't Defend they Distract! Same Old Script, ignorance is Bliss in islaaam.

[@leechrec]

They've been conditioned all their lives not to question

[@CandiceGoddard]

It's because those who will come to debate you without having even done their own research are narcissistic or stupid as Bonhoeffer referred to it (but he was writing from prison in Nazi Germany and was eventually executed by the Nazi regime). When they change the subject like that, it's actually a common manipulation tactic that narcissists do. It's all part of what is called "gaslighting". Please look into narcissism and narcissistic personality disorder, gaslighting and manipulation. You have to realise the psychological tactics at work with these people's. They're abusive on every level. Think about it. They lie to convert people, threaten to keep them, manipulate other people's scriptures and kill all who disagree. If these things happened in a relationship between a couple, we'd recognise it as domestic abuse. Dietrich Bonhoeffer from Letters and Papers from Prison “Stupidity is a more dangerous enemy of the good than malice. One may protest against evil; it can be exposed and, if need be, prevented by use of force. Evil always carries within itself the germ of its own subversion in that it leaves behind in human beings at least a sense of unease. Against stupidity we are defenseless. Neither protests nor the use of force accomplish anything here; reasons fall on deaf ears; facts that contradict one’s prejudgment simply need not be believed - in such moments the stupid person even becomes critical - and when facts are irrefutable they are just pushed aside as inconsequential, as incidental. In all this the stupid person, in contrast to the malicious one, is utterly self satisfied and, being easily irritated, becomes dangerous by going on the attack. For that reason, greater caution is called for when dealing with a stupid person than with a malicious one. Never again will we try to persuade the stupid person with reasons, for it is senseless and dangerous.”

[@defjam137]

Thousands of years of brainwashing amd inbreeding will do that to u.

[@COLORSPLANET]

Here is the short note...whenever you deal with M Ask them not to do below before /during debate. 1) Do not make Jalebi Recipe during talk. 2) Do not sit on Pan and keep standing. 3) Do not play pigeon game. 4) Do not go out of your book. (proof your god from your book only)( dont take other book's crutch to support your god ) 5) Do not play Victim card. (keep patients and find the reality, what it is translation saying) 6) Do not use Crutch to proof 7) Do not show illogical proof. use mind in real time. 8) Do not jump more, when you still need to proof 1st points to be clear. 9) Do not try to be over smart. When its urine written in text, it's just mean is urine. it can't be Tea, coffee, or steam. 10) Do not choose only sweet as per your like. and avoid bitter, when you dont like. ( Face reality )

[@CandiceGoddard]

I just say, "I believe that one of us follows the one true God and the other follows Satan, you can decide which." Then I lay down the proofs that their god is Satan, because realistically there's no point debating a narcissist liar. You simply have to overwhelm the person with facts whilst not allowing them to change the subject (which is a common tactic in all narcissistic people who can't stand to be wrong). Thankfully I'm used to conversing with liars so I know how to keep a topic focused. You need to have to keep pushing on with what you were saying, even to the point where imbeciles who don't comprehend the manipulation tactics of narcissists will believe that you're being rude. Even if you are being rude, the bible itself says that it's wrong to respect an evil person. Proverbs 18:5.

[@valkyrie3493]

Number 9. 😂😂😂

[@kb4432]

What a load of twaddle. Rule number 1 - don't miss your meds 😂🤣🤤

[@samuelflores1419]

Great job guys! The holes in SIN are getting bigger and bigger! God bless you both and your ministry! To God be All the Glory!

[@kb4432]

It's just a figment of your imagination. Carry on dreaming

[@defenderoftruth3212]

You speak of holes, but I doubt if you know what are these. Not even Jay, nor Mel, nor Abdul Fadi can specify them. They would just say holes, but know nothing about them. They can't give the specifics. But here is the specific. Why is it the BIOGRAPHY of Prophet jESUs (pbuh) is TOTALLY HOLEY? And why the Christians are not fully aware about this HUGE HOLE? Is this what is being called a BLIND FOLLOWING? Is the story of the life of Prophet jESUs (pbuh) NOT IMPORTANT to them when in fact, they should oblige themselves to know every minute detail of it? What is the use of venerating him when they know only a little about him? As can be observed that in spite of the 4 narratives depicted in the 4 make-believe gospels, the 4 Greek writers failed to give the full account of the life of Prophet jESUs (pbuh). The narrative started from year 1 which tells about his miraculous conception and his birth, and then it jumped immediately to year 30 which tells about his preaching of the Aramaic Gospel to the children of Israel (Jews), and ended in year 33 where he was allegedly crucified and ascended to heaven. 28 years from year 2 to year 29 which comprised the primetime of his life are unaccounted for. Indeed, what a BIG, BIG HOLE it is!!! Such a man who hailed from a miraculous beginning cannot escape the curious and inquisitive eyes of the people. So, it could not be that there is no narrative for those 28 years. It could not be that out of his 33 years on earth, only 5 years were accounted for and having narrative. Those 28 years must have been replete with tremendous meaningful and wonderful activities. It could not be that after he ascended to heaven, people of his time blew all the memories about him into oblivion. The story of such a man like him who is revered and venerated by the people cannot easily be forgotten. But why did the 4 Greek writers skip the account of the primetime of his life? Is there something fishy that needs to be hidden? One cannot help to cast doubt that there is really something fishy in the narratives of the biography of Prophet jESUs (pbuh). Indeed, I smell something fishy. -11-06-23

[@samuelflores1419]

@@kb4432 If it's a figment of my imagination, Why does it bother you? 🤣

[@kb4432]

@@samuelflores1419 talking out of your a55hole is a SIN, just pointing that out to you🤣

[@samuelflores1419]

@@kb4432 Why are you worried about my so-called sin? Get a life and next time you want to insult someone find someone who cares 🤔 Troll!

[@sgt.grinch3299]

This episode really hits home. Well done Mel.

[@IslamicOrigins]

Hey, thanks Sgt.

[@kb4432]

Yeah, it really hit me in the jewels, I need a doctor 😂🤣

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@@IslamicOrigins .......... This is nothing but sour-graping.

[@user-butterfly384]

I have always thought that the Songs of Solomon were about Jesus, thank you for the Verification. God bless and peace be with you. 🙏🕊

[@pvdguitars2951]

Check the 4 related words חָמַד (H2530) to חֶמְדָּן (H2533). They are all rooted in desire, delight, beauty. The latter one is interesting: Hamdan, the only of the 4 that is a proper male noun. Even in Arabic, it is a name given ( to boys and girls), and is closely related to M’hamad. ( remember that vowels in Semitic languages rely on the dots, so an o, u, or a can come from the Aleph or Ayin). Interesting fact: the first use of חָמַד (Hamad) is in Gen 2:9 ( … that is desirable, pleasant to the sight…).

[@janemcfadden4801]

Please pray for the UK 🇬🇧😢 And Israel 🇮🇱 ✝️💟☮️🔯 Thank you for your videos I had a feeling Islam was fake Jesus is Lord 💟

[@bigfessslt1928]

I live in the UK and we needs prayers 🙏

[@kb4432]

@janemcfadden4801 With churches long empty and 'christians' reduced to street preaching, I'm not the least bit surprised 😂

[@defenderoftruth3212]

Why are you now praying for the UK? Is it because it is now nearing to become a Muslim-dominated country because of the tsunami of Reverts? Why pray for Israel? Why not pray for Palestine for being occupied and oppressed? -11-12-23

[@bigfessslt1928]

@@defenderoftruth3212 I pray for israel because they wS the ones that got attacked on the 7th of October and the uk isn't a muslim country they just make the most noise

[@trinitymatrix9719]

Amazing stuff, Mel 💚💚🕊🕊

[@IslamicOrigins]

Thanks!

[@tuanrobertglowacki516]

Satan copied averythink what God don and using this for deceiving people. Demon or maybe Satan hem self comes to Muhammad as Angel of light. Satan is not stupid .Created Islam as way to God.And decided milliards people.

[@kb4432]

My dog Chihuahua keeps digging up bones. He's so useless, but I still give him a pat on his back😂

[@lahleholivia7398]

There was more than one man called Muhammad during the 7th century. Sahih Bukhari Volume 3, Book 45, Hadith Number 687.

[@Rotebuehl1]

Even nowadays there are more than one man called Mohammed What is the novelty?

[@joen2075]

The Muslims started using Muhammad in AD 700s. Qutham bin Abdullat was the name used to call the supposed prophet of Islam.

[@AnilKumar-vo7mr]

It was common pagan name. Why are people surprised.

[@yarnybart5911]

There are various stories of a man called Moses, which 3 religions claim as their own.

[@infotruther]

​@@yarnybart5911what's your point?

[@cbak1819]

Oh thank you Jesus for your working through these men🎉

[@sathiyaseelansithambaram7318]

When I was young, in a history book, I read that from Makka to Medina Mohamed was chased, where he was sheltered by an excommunicated Catholic priest who incorporated the ideas of of the new commer and rewrote the book to found new sect as mohamed as the leader, much hardship, roadway robbry and killing, gorilla attack on merchants a army was formed and the regilion established. Later, the straugle was carried to Makkka, and it became the Quran. In Makka, it was further modified to portait mohamed as the Khalifa and prophet. After mohamed was murdered along with his family, there was a spilt amo g the followers. Therefore, the quran assumed another version. By 700 BC, there were at least 5 different versions. This is the summery of almost over 100 pages in a history book. Possibly, I got this book in in the late 70s printed in the US used in secondary school. That's all I remember.

[@alonzoharris326]

You can’t remember. But you accept it blindly?🥴

[@murielpucoe9213]

Now you can listen to the new research done by Dr jay smith and al Fadhi with the german scholars.

[@murielpucoe9213]

There was no mecca until 741AD.

[@alonzoharris326]

@@murielpucoe9213 There was no Jerusalem in 1400 bce.

[@simonhengle8316]

This is wonderful stuff Mel

[@123dsj123]

Today, Muslims find themselves in unfamiliar territory. If they want to spread Islam to the rest of the world, they must do so by way of “intellectual persuasiveness”. Promoting Islam by way of “intellectual persuasiveness” is a practice that is not a native to Islam - but rather foreign (alien). Savagery and barbarism are the hallmarks (characteristics) of Islam - Allah’s Religion of the “Black Flag”. Quran 47:35 reads, “(O you who believe - Muslims) Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when your number be the uppermost in the land...” * In its 1400 years of history, every tribe, people, and nation that have extended a helping hand toward Islam were turned into enemies of Islam, and then brutally conquered and subjugated to Islamic Laws called “Sheria” - laws the trample on individual rights, human dignity, and freedom.

[@omarkabanda6396]

How do you think Christianity reached kenya and uganda

[@wsv1975]

It is impossible to thank you guys enough!!!!!

[@pvdguitars2951]

Best description for M’ham’d is in Psa 55:21 ( מַֽחֲמָאוֹת, H4260): … mouth smooth as butter, but war in his heart! One of the translations for מַֽחֲמָאוֹת is hypocritical!

[@johncole7177]

Hello Jay. You are an inspiration to many. The point is this. Humans are how many years old? How old is religion? Exactly. Go figure...

[@alonzoharris326]

Jay believes his god became a baby.🤣

[@Nat_Sarim]

@@alonzoharris326 Translation: I can't defend my belief, so I do a piss poor ad hominem attack on others.

[@alonzoharris326]

@@Nat_Sarim I can defend my belief. You can’t defend your belief. That’s why Jay Smith and Mel are on fully controlled channels with yes men. Trying to avoid being pushed and challenged by real scholars. You can’t refute our religion. That’s why you are trying so hard to strawman Islam. You can’t critique our position. I can debunk your real position inside three seconds. I can show logical contradictions in your core doctrines without any strawman or misrepresentation. You are here because scholarship doesn’t support you. You have to rely on non academic KZbin clowns as your highest authority.🫠

[@collybever]

@@Nat_Sarim Alonzo believes "Mohammed" was telling the truth (sirah 5.116), when he said christians have 3 gods, Father, Son and => Mary

[@rollyson1874]

What about the meaning of pictograms?

[@Hazrat-e-Insaan]

Great job 👏

[@jj-yi1ne]

these guys are lying. they will lie again and contradict them selves

[@courag1]

Mel does such needed and fantastic research!

[@alonzoharris326]

You are funny. Making absurd non academic claims is ‘fantastic research’?🥴🤣

[@Nat_Sarim]

🙄@@alonzoharris326 🤦‍♂

[@MU-we8hz]

​@@alonzoharris326still more credible then allah and his many qurans.

[@alonzoharris326]

@@Nat_Sarim This is his argument. ‘Mohammad means desired one in my bible. That’s based on my Christian interpretation. Therefore Mohamed in the Quran can’t be a name.’ 🥴🤣 How is this academic? What kind of fallacy is this? Ignoring verses in the Quran that Mohamed has wives and is addressed in the present tense. Even if you only use the Quran. His claim is absolute garbage. That’s why no scholar takes this crap serious. He has to resort to outdated claims of missionaries because he is ashamed of his doctrine of three gods. 🫠

[@alonzoharris326]

@@MU-we8hz What is credible about his theory? Mohamed is addressed in the present tense in the Quran. Mohamed has wives in the Quran. What do you want more? We have to use your Christianity to make absurd claims about the quran. The intention behind this is because you can’t defend your core doctrines. You are theologically crushed by Islam. You have to resort to absurd claims with an absurd methodology that you don’t apply to Christianity, your tradition and the bible. That’s why the churches are empty. People can see how dishonest you are out of desperation.🫠🏋🏼‍♂️

[@flutterstone1281]

This is interesting, but I think it needs to be fleshed out. Was there a tradition of referring to Jesus as the Muhammadim prior to Islam (or rather prior to the 7th century)? Or did Abd al Malik come up with it on his own in the 7th century? Christians referred to him as Lord, Savior, King, Messiah, Christ, etc., and it is clear that the Song of Song was taken as a type of Jesus as the "all together lovely" Messiah, but are there instances where the title "Muhammadim" is applied to him? It is strange to me that the association between Jesus and the Muhammadim would remain implicit for 600 years and would suddenly be made explicit at the hands of the proto-Muslims. It would be great if usages associated with Jesus could be found in Aramaic writing Fathers.

[@maklame3318]

look up 1800 world fairs. Most of truth lies in that rabbit hole. I saw one snapshot of a world fair religion poster which showed muhammadan along side christain

[@jaju710]

@Mel, please increase the font size so that we can read the texts.

[@IslamicOrigins]

Yes, I will keep in mind. I thought it was plenty big enough.

[@jaju710]

@@IslamicOrigins I watch it on my hp, not laptop. The headings are easily readable.

[@brokyle2267]

Literally they claim the Bible is corrupt, then they say here is my prophet. Which one is it? If it’s corrupt how then do you trust your prophet is there?

[@saloanyousif3308]

Wonderful video God bless you

[@sandrampillay2652]

Good research helps in the unearthing of the truth.

[@sagarjackie7366]

I've heard Zakir Naik use these passages and Christian Prince mocking him saying "dim dim dim".

[@IslamicOrigins]

The word mhmd has a lost past. Probably what CP was attacking was that mhmd was specifically prophecies. The difficulty is that mhmd is a messianic term. This is one of the instances where the historical critique is a more honest and effective approach as it shows this was a messianic title and not a name.

[@mojarmawema1]

The Book of Song of Songs is the prefigurattion of the Catholic Church..

[@pierreleroy6826]

Years ago ,i read the coran,when i finished it i've had the feeling it's was a fraud ,now i know it. Blessings from France,i subscribe

[@7mikeraj]

Amen!

[@user-hc4ye4sk9d]

I enjoy your work Jay. But this really doesn't enthuse me. I still don't believe the name really comes from all this. I need much more concrete evidence.

[@johnniewalker7512]

"Mad" or the form "Madh" is an adjective in albanian(ancient thracian) as "great" or "big".

[@domcomfermi609]

Only bt he Pdf file abdools can look for their prophet in a book they themselves discredit. What hassoles.

[@oaim50]

Etymologies of names don't mean all that much (origins are not destiny, as we know), do they? My name means I'm a God's Judge when I'm anything but. And when you say "Aish Nechmad" in Hebrew it' means a "nice/pleasant man."

[@hectorhernandez215]

1 John 5:7 is in 7 before fourth century manuscripts....the problem is that greek church made cutting words or verses that contradict its tradition.....is validated ..... So sad to read or hear the criticism of doubters....

[@user-yi7ls1xb8h]

still havent got the answer...about why all those sects of earlier islam shared the same edited story from one of them since they hate each other...there were sunnis, shia, etc..they just all agree with one of them creating the story about muhammad before? if they were just made the story, much later in abbasid era, why a story to make division between them? shia only started in abbasid period or what??? if someone can make this clear....this is the last the last stone that separated me from leaving this religion

[@urbandsouza7279]

Sheeaa is an offshoot of or continuation of nestorian form of christianity. Chest beats resurcted later which practiced by nestorian. Assurance is associated with easter week. Najaf nestorian church is centre of sh

[@houseofsaudisthebeast]

new jerusalem is the bride, please read revelation mel

[@IslamicOrigins]

I have read it. TY. True.

[@Thomas-pq5uw]

One small doubt If the bible mentions about mogammed why was he unaware of that and not mentiobed even once that so and so chapters mentions about him His name was abul quasim conenuently changed his name as mohammed. I had been in saudi for 18 years. If some saudis dont know or pronounce your name they will call yah mohammed.

[@dangdutirama1679]

Muhammad's name is the Hebrew bible right?

[@oldbiker9739]

does Alah in the bible mean most high ???

[@datprawn4850]

alla is the name of the pagan moon god who had a wife called allat. He is what is described as the god of rebellion and defiance who wars against the god called el. Now el is referring to Elohim, the Judeo-Christian God. That is found in a stone carving from 1200 BC.

[@oldbiker9739]

@@datprawn4850 thanks buddy makes sense the cresent 1/4 moon .

[@LeeGee]

Dictionaries exist

[@alonzoharris326]

@@datprawn4850 It was never a name of a moongod. Don’t lie to your fellow Christians. Yahweh is used for the moongod. Yah is the Egyptian moongod. I challenge you to show a scholarly source for your claim. I can show you scholarly sources that Yahweh is a moongod.

[@andrevisser7542]

There is no allah in the Bible, Muslims pretend it comes from Elohim actually meaning gods while allah means "the god" pointing to the god of Islam which is not Yehovah of the Bible.

[@grahamparker538]

meaning of life is hidden in pinkfloyd music.....no joke!!....dark side of The moon.t

[@truth_seekerwhatever7697]

Who gave Mohammad? Banu Ummiyads gave Mohammad as reference to Jews forthcoming messenger , and did not believe that Jesus was that prophet according to Jewish books . Abbasids on the other hand gave Mohammad as a human being born in Mecca. Quran when compiled included Jesus as prophet to please the Christians and Mohammed as an Arab prophet as promised in Jewish scripture. So every one was happy till lately.

[@pissanukatika3720]

English people called prophet Joshua “Jesus” in chrustian bibles. Jews liked to name Joshua or Yeshua for their kids long time ago.

[@Thomas-pq5uw]

How abul qusaaim became mohamned

[@Paulusfan]

Dear Mel and Jay,please join the catholic church. We read: And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

[@IslamicOrigins]

If it is worth joining, it ought to have capital letters. :)

[@Paulusfan]

@@IslamicOrigins we read this in Matthew 16 and John 19, do you mean that? I am German, sorry for my bad English

[@IslamicOrigins]

I was kidding with you. I'm Catholic already.@@Paulusfan

[@gary_rumain_you_peons]

Crusaders, and myself, have been calling him Mahound since the first Crusade. But I've also been known to call him Mudhammam. 🤣

[@alonzoharris326]

The crusaders took out many Christians. They butchered Christians.

[@DRYeisleysCreations]

There are some who theorize that Muhammad was bastardized into Baphomet.

[@dewantamanik8540]

How do you convince an islam about this fact, and also you other video. I know it is the work of HOLLY SPIRIT to convert one's heart, but without someone giving this information and explaining it to them, they will not know. I want to share your materials with my muslim friend, how can I do it? Thank you.

[@alonzoharris326]

They will laugh at you. If you make these absurd claims. They will laugh at you.

[@Buymeacoffee294]

@@alonzoharris326 i laugh about the stupidness from trolls and idiots like you.

[@garybowings1538]

​@@alonzoharris326 "Al Masihu Isa! Al Masihubnu Maryam! My Savior! Amyn!" - Alonzo Harris

[@aural_supremacy]

There is zero significance to that worth an ‘!’ at the end of the caption. There were plenty of Yeshuas in the Bible also.

[@linda0506]

I have heard his real name was Qutam

[@romeisfallingagain]

what a deceptive title. there were no jews in 1000BC

[@dondy03]

Then they will say that is a prophesy 😂😂😂 on the coming of the actual. Muhammad 😂😂😂

[@muhammadganget4450]

Lol, is jay also telling u that there was more then one jesus in the bible.

[@bobfisher1909]

Mohammad has over 200 names in Islam, love is not one of them.

[@RandomMoves923]

Muslims do not know their history Q. Were your ancestors Christians or Jews? A. Many replied, always Muslims, yet the Moslem people came in at 500 AD, while the Jews were there from Antiquity, so Muslims ancestors could have either been Jews, Christians or pagans.

[@jj-yi1ne]

they were not christians or jews. those denominations would be callled devils by protestants

[@TwiztedHumor]

Interesting. So much for the prophet, piss be upon him.

[@economician]

This is Basically the work of Inarah. The sunnis and shiites must be sweating right now. However objectively speaking the schoolarly world has disowned Inarah. Even super critical schoolars like dr Joshua Little has confirmed that Inarah has lost credibility in the schoolarly world. Luxemberg has even found the trinity in the Quran and he has posted videos about this. I am suprised that you missionaries have not picked up on this. So cool that Mel said that Mahadim is not plural but singular With a poetic and symbolic intensification.I guess there goes your attempt to argue that Ahaad is a compounded unit. In this video you exposed sunnism and shiism but also the trinity. We quranists and unitarians could not have done a better job.

[@IslamicOrigins]

Alonzo Harris is the greatest scholar Islam has got. She however is talking through her behind when she says I believe in 3 gods. I have never asserted such an absurd belief. The trinity is not be understood as three distinct gods, but three persons in one God. On what basis can they be divided? Ontologically, at the level of being, no. Spatially, they are omnipresent in every sense, of time, dimension, so again, no. By will? No. By love? United in love. If what are three are not separated in any conceivable way, then they are one. The distinction is a mystery, sure, but no part of this belief involves three gods. That's a lie. A lie that Alonzo is willing to repeat ad nauseum as she has got nothing else to say. She knows Islam is a lie and her lies are just part of that.

[@trinitymatrix9719]

I think alonzo is a loner, sitting behind his usual keyboard with a sad face in his living room. With nothing else sensible to do, he ends up sending painfully dumb statements nobody is paying attention to any longer 😂🤣

[@IslamicOrigins]

Painful statements is correct. Alonzo does it to get the attention she craves. @@trinitymatrix9719

[@Nat_Sarim]

Yes, this is true. Aluahim, better known as "Elohim", speaking of The Most High, who says He is "Echad", One. "im" is one of the ways to make a word plural, but clearly not plural here.

[@andrevisser7542]

No you are trying to make scripture fit your understanding, scripture will always expose you. Echad is a compound unity, a man and his wife become one, same word "echad". Elohim is one God Yehovah who reveal Himself to us as the Father, the Word of God and the Spirit of God, same Yehovah but different function. That you can see throughout the Bible, the "im" is there for a reason...

[@Nat_Sarim]

I'm just now noticing this comment is on the wrong comment section..I was commenting on a Lew White video. Not that it matters to the silly child and his failing rebuttal.

[@andrevisser7542]

@@Nat_Sarim, perhaps Yehovah wanted me to answer you, the reason why your comment ended up here...

[@Nat_Sarim]

@@andrevisser7542 🤦‍♂I warned you another rebuttal would end in like manner. Clearly a glutton for punishment. So you're sayin' He wanted you to be humiliated by someone who knew what he was talking about, as opposed to you who is obviously a blatant phony that didn't know what he was getting into. Once more for the record, Ne'hemiah is the only Karaite claiming that verifiably, historically provable false pronunciation. The truth is his own teacher who converted him from Rabbinical Judaism to Karaite Judaism is named Mordecai Alfandari, and he endorsed the pronunciation "Yihweh" (also incorrect, but clearly not "yehovah"🙄). Notice that there is no "v" and that he did not endorse "Yehovah" or "Yehowah" which means he did not believe the vowels OR the V to be authentic, because he knew it didn't exist at that time, he didn't have nor need Google (which would have served YOU well!). Yefet Ben Eli is one of the most prominent Karaites to ever live. He lived during the 10th century, a native of Basra ( in present-day Iraq) Later in his life, he moved to Jerusalem, between 950 and 980, where he died.The Karaites distinguished him by the epithet Maskil ha-Golah (teacher of the Exile). He endorsed the name YAHUWAH even providing the vowels. So the question is which of these individuals have the most merit? Why is that NO rabbi endorses the vowels in YHWH found in the Masoretic text? Simple, they all know those vowels are for both Adonai and Elohim. You are SO far out of your lane it's embarrassing. You're not even in the same realm.🤷‍♂

[@alonzoharris326]

@@andrevisser7542 Echad means one. It has the same function as one in English. You should stop your trinitarian nonsense. Even if we would accept your example for the sake of argument. It’s still partialism and not a trinity. A man and woman becoming one flesh is partialism.

[@claesmansson9070]

Names from delusion times of religion I don t find interesting, more interested in my Neandertal ancestors name 300.000 years ago, if knew would phone him, and tell him thanks for the genes, ask him some questions, how did they get rid of religion?, no time for that?, exhausting their physics on hunting meat like pork?, mammuths, did they cry in front of walls rocking back and forth, throw themselves down, so their backside opened towards holy buildings of other people, any holy buildings then, were they blessed with no society, just familygroups in caves?, noone could force them to acts of war?

[@adam_meek]

bUT sUFFRING SURVUNT ISAIAH 53 sez he wasn't much to look at.

[@stlouisix3]

The plagiarism religion of the paynims

[@xavierbesnard9201]

Bien évidemment la fumisterie islam part en fumée !

[@eljumaidilbinahmad2464]

Song of Songs(Solomon?) 5:16 "ma ha mad dim" or "MHMD" referred to the Prophet of Islam - Muhammad. When the Jews in 1000 BC and Christians in 387 AD used MHMD [in Arabic Mim Ha Mim Dhal], it is [enough!]evident that Muhammad is mentioned by name in their scriptures. Now it's proven, a long time ago, both Jewish and Christian scriptures mentioned "MHMD" !!! Whether you believe it or not is a secondary factor [or] how you interpret it is not important. What is important is not what you believe or how you interpret it, but what is "mentioned." The important thing is not what Jay Smith or I or the other people say. No! The most important key point here is whether or not the name "Muhammad" is mentioned. And it is mentioned! Now it's proven, since a long time ago, both Jewish and Christian scriptures mentioned "MHMD" which is clearly "Muhammad." When a person's name is Jay Smith, then his name is definitely Jay Smith. You have no right to change it. How can you change Jay Smith into Muhammad; and Muhammad into Jay Smith? It is not only quite absurd but shows dishonesty, right? Not only in the Jewish and Christian scriptures, Muhammad is even mentioned in the Hindu scriptures. Hindu scripture is said very much older than the Jewish and Christian scriptures. Therefore, Song of Songs(Solomon?) 5:16 "ma ha mad dim" or "MHMD" referred to the Prophet of Islam - Muhammad.

[@IslamicOrigins]

No, it was a title, with a messianic meaning. Context shows that. Islam was claiming they had a Messiah, that's all. Not a name, just a title.

[@eljumaidilbinahmad2464]

@@IslamicOrigins you said, but the fact is the fact. Messianic or not it doesn't carry weight. If Songs of Solomon 5:16 says "MHMD," then it is "MHMD" and not Jay Smith, not David, not you, and not I.

[@IslamicOrigins]

I have no control over the title of the video which may have misled you. The vocalisation which came later makes it sound like a name and the only accurate conclusion is this was just a messianic title, nothing more. Of course, anyone could then claim to be a Messiah but last time I looked Islam doesn't claim Muhammad is the madhi. But in the early days, they did. @@eljumaidilbinahmad2464

[@eljumaidilbinahmad2464]

@@IslamicOrigins be rational, please. it is not the title of the video, but Song of Solomon 5:16 is very clear. don't change. do you know how to say yes to yes and say no to no?

[@IslamicOrigins]

It is not a name, it is a messianic title. This is well understood in Jewish and Christian theology. This will be explained further in later videos. @@eljumaidilbinahmad2464

[@mohdnorzaihar2632]

Muhammad can't read or write but he speak-recite "Bismi"..

[@alonzoharris326]

Mel believes in three gods.

[@Buymeacoffee294]

no one God you troll

[@garybowings1538]

"Al Masihu Isa! Al Masihubnu Maryam! My Savior! Amyn!" - Alonzo Harris

[@trinitymatrix9719]

😂😂He is craving attention, thats all 😂😂 @@garybowings1538

[@sheikhboyardee556]

How anyone could remain a muslim with the massive evidence against the cult. Amazing really, it's just pure ignorance.

[@kb4432]

What evidence. Your just deluded 😂

[@sheikhboyardee556]

Apparently you're not paying attention. Islam has been made to look silly & weak. It's an obvious copy of Christianity & Judaism. I don't want to be rude & call you ignorant but you really need to do some studying on the subject. @@kb4432

[@adnanibnnoor_1]

hi hi hi, name Muhammad goes back to Adam, even he knows about muhammad. muhammad in Arabic means "Who do the praise", read your bible by Barnabas Adam knows about him. hammad means praise, mu hammad means "who do praise". similarly Ahmad means "the praised one" and in Quran Ahmed is predicted by Essa AS that he will come after me. Secondly Muhammad is not a prophet in Quran, just a messenger of Allah.

[@andrevisser7542]

Yeah there were rocks in Eden, God's garden too, Adam personally knew Peter.

[@cherubimseraphim2986]

basically, the Arab'muhammad

[@rob7724]

So basically, the title mhmd had been twisted in Islam to a particular character or vice versa. Secondly, there's no clear well-defined difference between the terms, prophet and messenger. In the end, it's all about how you define things.

[@andrevisser7542]

@@rob7724, even their allah means "the god", could be any god but deceitfully inserting him everywhere then claim there is only one. The best deceiver indeed.

[@adnanibnnoor_1]

Hi Hi Hi, Look who is better then Essa Ibn Marriyum Peace on him , who can tell what is the difference between Prophet and Messenger. قَالَ إِنِّي عَبْدُ اللّٰهِ آتَانِيَ الْكِتَابَ وَجَعَلَنِي نَبِيًّا (19:30) He Said, I am slave of Allah , I am given the Book and I am made as a Prophet. Prophets are given Book, It is not mentioned He is given Injeel or Gospel, But the Book, Same Book given to all other Prophets, which is made guidance for all humans, and not specific for Arabs.

[@linoazzurro]

Mel is irritating

[@user-by7zt1ns8g]

FREE PALESTINE

[@garybowings1538]

Go on.

[@IslamicOrigins]

Yes, free Palestine from Hamas!

[@user-by7zt1ns8g]

@@IslamicOrigins HELLO!!! Educate yourself and listen to your Irish Government.

[@IslamicOrigins]

I am mocking black and white slogans, not picking sides.@@user-by7zt1ns8g

[@TheThornbird21]

Free Palestine from Hamas and bring back the crisis to humanitarian and political conflict rather than Arabian and Islamic conflict. That’s if you care about the Palestinians.

[@aaronharun1394H]

The one God of Abraham is NOT Jesus. The one God of Abraham is THE SAME ONE GOD who Jesus prayed to. Jesus prayed TO the one God. Jesus is NOT the one God. Jesus did not pray to Jesus.

[@pj-vu3cn]

Jesus and the Father are one. The Son became a man temporarily to minister to us; He is the Lamb of God who died on the cross for our sins; He returned to the Father after His Resurrection from the dead, and has returned to sit at the right hand of God, and they are one. The Holy Spirit is the spirit of God, the Comforter. Together, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are one God, who we refer to as the Holy Trinity.

[@aaronharun1394H]

God is only one. God is not one group of three. God is not one family of two. God sent messengers. God is not a messenger. Jesus was a messenger from a long line of messengers that includes Noah, Abraham and Moses. Messengers are chosen from men to convey message to men. And We have already SENT Noah and Abraham and placed in their descendants prophethood and scripture; and among them is he who is guided, but many of them are defiantly disobedient. Then We SENT following their footsteps Our messengers and followed [them] with Jesus, the son of Mary, and gave him the Injil (Gospel). (Al-Quran 57: 26-27) Then We SENT after them Moses with Our signs to Pharaoh and his establishment, but they were unjust toward them. So see how was the end of the corrupters. And Moses said, O Pharaoh, I am a messenger from the Lord of the worlds Obligated not to say about Allah except the truth. I have come to you with clear evidence from your Lord, so send with me the Children of Israel. (Al-Quran 7: 103-105) And We did certainly give Moses the Torah and followed up after him with messengers. (Al-Quran 2: 87) The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. (Al-Quran 5: 75) Their messengers said to them, "We are only men like you, but Allah confers favor upon whom He wills of His servants. It has never been for us to bring you evidence except by permission of Allah . And upon Allah let the believers rely. (Al-Quran 14: 11) God sent Jesus. God is not Jesus. Allah chooses from the angels, messengers and from men. Surely, Allah is All-Hearing, All-Seeing. (Al-Quran 22: 75) There are angel messengers He sends down the angels, with the inspiration of His command, upon whom He wills of His servants, "Warn that there is no ilah (deity/god) except Me; so fear Me." (Al-Quran 16: 2) Angel Gabriel is referred to as The Spirit. And mention, in AlKitab (the Book), Mary, when she withdrew from her family to a place toward the east. And she took, in seclusion from them, a screen. Then We sent to her Our Spirit (Angel Gabriel), and he represented himself to her as a well-proportioned man. She said, "Indeed, I seek refuge in the Most Merciful from you, [so leave me], if you should be fearing of Allah ." He said, "I am only the messenger of your Lord to give you [news of] a pure boy." She said, "How can I have a boy while no man has touched me and I have not been unchaste?" He said, "Thus [it will be]; your Lord says, 'It is easy for Me, and We will make him a sign to the people and a mercy from Us. And it is a matter [already] decreed.' (Al-Quran Translation/interpretation Chapter Mary/Maryam(19) : 16-21) Gabriel identified himself to Mary as "the messenger of your Lord". The story of Gabriel appearing before Mary(Maryam) to inform her about her future son (Jesus/Isa) is also mentioned in the gospels. *Angels informing the coming of a newborn child is consistent with angels visiting Abraham and his wife informing them about their future son, Isaac and Jacob and an angel informing Zachariah about his future son, John (Yahya), both incidents mentioned in the current gospels and in the Quran. Angel Gabriel (Jibril) is mentioned by name as the one who brought down the Quran to Prophet Muhammad: Say, "Whoever is an enemy to Jibril (Gabriel) - it is he who has brought it (the Qur'an) down upon your heart, [O Muhammad], by permission of Allah, confirming that which was before it and as guidance and good tidings for the believers." Whoever is an enemy to Allah and His angels and His messengers and Jibril and Mikal (Michael) - then indeed, Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers. (Al-Quran translation 2: 97-98) The one who brought it down is also referred to as below: And indeed, it (the Qur'an) is the revelation of the Lord of the worlds. Has brought it down by Arruhul-amin (The Trustworthy Spirit) (Al-Quran translation 26: 192- 193) Say, [O Muhammad], "ruhulQudus (spirit of the Holy) has brought it down from your rabb (Lord) in truth to make firm those who believe and as guidance and good tidings to the Muslims." (Al-Quran translations 16: 102) Ruh Al-Quddus is mentioned in the arabic Quran. Ruh meaning spirit, Al-Quddus is one of the names of God, meaning The Holy/ All-Holy/ All-Pure. Angels have wings. [All] praise is [due] to Allah, Creator of the heavens and the earth, [who] made the angels messengers having wings, two or three or four. He increases in creation what He wills. Indeed, Allah is over all things competent. (Al-Quran 35: 1) Who did Jesus actually see descending that is mentioned in the gospels. [Gabriel said], "And we [angels] descend not except by the order of your Lord. To Him belongs that before us and that behind us and what is in between. And never is your Lord forgetful - (Al-Quran 19: 64) God sent angels. God is not an angel. It is not for a human [prophet] that Allah should give him the Scripture and authority and prophethood and then he would say to the people, "Be servants to me rather than Allah," rather, "be rabbaniyyun, because you are teaching the Book, and you are studying it." Nor could he order you to take the angels and prophets as arbaban (lords). Would he order you to disbelief after you had been Muslims? (Al-Quran 3: 79-80) There are angel messengers There are human messengers. God is not an angel. God is not a human. God is only one. God have no son. God is not one third of three. God is not a messenger. God sent messengers. Indeed, Allah is but one ilah (deity/god). Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs. (Al-Quran 4: 171) فِي الْبَدْءِ خَلَقَ اللهُ (Allah) السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضَ According to arabic translations of the bible that you can find online, Allah (الله ) is the Creator of the heavens and the earth in Genesis 1: 1 Indeed, your rabb (Lord) is Allah, who created the heavens and earth ... (Al-Quran translation 7: 54) Alaha refers to God in aramaic. Aramaic is a semitic language believed to be spoken by Jesus. Semitic languages include hebrew and arabic and have similarities.

[@aaronharun1394H]

And God* said, “Let there BE light,” and there WAS light. (Genesis 1: 3) *in arabic translations of the bible, the word Allah (الله) is used. His command is only when He intends a thing that He says to it, "BE," and it IS. (Al-Quran 36: 82) It is not for Allah to take a son; exalted is He! When He decrees an affair, He only says to it, "BE," and it IS. (Al-Quran 19: 35) God created by His word, does not mean what He created is His son, does not mean what He created is Him. فِي الْبَدْءِ خَلَقَ اللهُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضَ (Genesis 1: 1) In the beginning, God ( الله ) created the heavens and the earth -from arabic translations of the bible. Indeed, your rabb (Lord) is Allah, who created the heavens and earth ... (Al-Quran translation 7: 54) Aalaha or Alaha refers to God in Aramaic. Aramaic is a semitic language having similarities with Hebrew and Arabic. Refer to aramaic dictionary that you can find online The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary (Al-Quran 4: 171) Say, "If the sea were ink for [writing] the words of my rabb/lord, the sea would be exhausted before the words of my lord were exhausted, even if We brought the like of it as a supplement." (Al-Quran 18: 109) God is one God is not "one family" of one father and one son God has many words, does not mean there are many gods. Does not mean God is many persons. She (Mary) said, "How can I have a boy while no man has touched me and I have not been unchaste?" He (Angel Gabriel) said, 'Thus [it will be]; your Lord says, "It is easy for Me, and We will make him a sign to the people and a mercy from Us. And it is a matter [already] decreed.' (Al-Quran 19: 20- 21) Such is Allah ; He creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, 'Be,' and it is. (Al-Quran 3: 47) Indeed, the example of Jesus to Allah is like that of Adam. He created him (Adam) from dust; then He said to him, "BE," and he WAS. (Al-Quran 3: 59) God created Adam without a father and a mother. God created Jesus without a father. Born without a father does not mean or imply he is the son of God. Born without a father does not mean or imply he is God. God is only one. God has no father. God has no mother. (Jesus has a mother) God has no son. Indeed, Allah is but one ilah (deity/god). Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs. (Al-Quran 4: 171) Allah - there is no ilah (deity/god) except Him, the Ever-Living, the Sustainer of [all] existence... (Al-Quran 2: 255) And recite, [O Muhammad], what has been revealed to you of the Book of your Lord. (Al-Quran 18: 27) I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren like unto thee, and will put My words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. (Deuteronomy 18: 18) Messengers from among the chosen prophets convey God's message from His revealed Words.

[@aaronharun1394H]

If Christians believe Jesus died on the cross, they shouldnt believe he is God in the first place. God is Everliving, does not die. God gives life and causes death. Not given life (born, resurrected) Not caused to die (die, killed, life taken) And rely upon the Ever-Living who does not die, and exalt [ Allah ] with His praise. (Al-Quran 25: 58) Allah - there is no ilah (deity/god) except Him, the Ever-Living, the Sustainer of [all] existence. Neither drowsiness overtakes Him nor sleep. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth... (Al-Quran 2: 255) Indeed, to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth; He gives life and causes death. And you have not besides Allah any protector or any helper. (Al-Quran 9: 116) Abraham said, My rabb (Lord) is the one who gives life and causes death (Al-Quran 2: 258) God AlMighty is not weak that He is captured, manhandled, stripped to a cloth, bloodied, tied/nailed to a cross, paraded, suffered and killed. Every man will be resurrected from their death before the Day of Judgement, also known as Day of Resurrection. Every man is not God. There are many angels in heaven. Angels are not God. Every man dies and Jesus will die after he returns. From arabic translations of the bible that you can find online, Allah (الله ) is the Creator of the heavens and the earth in Genesis 1: 1 Indeed, your rabb (Lord) is Allah, who created the heavens and earth ... (Al-Quran translation 7: 54) Aalaha or Alaha refers to God in Aramaic, a language believed to be uses by Jesus. Aramaic is a semitic language having similarities with Hebrew and Arabic. If christians truly love Jesus as they think or claim they do, they should be happy that God saved Jesus (not God, not son of God) from being tortured and killed. It would be selfish for someone to think that Jesus had to suffer and die for their own self wrongdoings. Regardless wether Jesus was actually crucified or not, Jesus is not God and should not be regarded as one. God SENT Jesus. God is NOT Jesus.

[@pj-vu3cn]

The arian heresy you sprout (denying Jesus' divinity) is a very old one and had been refuted by the Council of Nicea in 325 A.D.

[@truth_seekerwhatever7697]

Let me give you another topic to research on the origin of Islam 😮. What are the possibilities that Medina could have been the base of Military command to regulate and support bloody wars with two of the greatest empires of all times, that is Persian and Roman Empires. Medina is at least 1600-1700 kilometres from the frontiers of Iraq( the Persian Empire), and Syria ( the Roman Empire). In between there is nothing but vast desert, with just few oasis. How a DATE ( fruit) oriented Medina economy can raise such a large army of hundred of thousands of people ( considering Medina population in 7th century ), and equip this large army with modern weapons of that time, horses and camels to invade Persian and Roman army is not just humanly possible( if we take out the possibility of Angels and Drones sent by Allah to fight at these frontiers. ). This possibility is not recorded in Roman or Persian War chronicles at that time , if faced with such extraordinary events. It suggest that birthplace of Islam was not at Mecca or Medina. Someone is pointing to wrong direction. But Why? This is another chapter / story. The truth is that ; The rise of Arabs to fight and defeat Persian and Roman armies started from the frontier of these two Empires from the Kingdoms of Lakhmids and Ghassanids, which they were patrolling these frontiers for centuries. These two Arab Kingdoms consisted of various tribes , earlier migrated from Yemen , hired as mercenaries by the Persian and Roman Empires. Banu Ummiyads was a split faction or a tribe of these two Arab kingdoms , which conquered Syria and Jerusalem. To be continued….