I like the idea of Smash Up better than the actual gameplay of Smash Up.
@FinnCanDo858 жыл бұрын
+KabukiKid Same here. It's way too much work for what it offers. I really want to like it, but I just don't :(
@AX5Terminator8 жыл бұрын
+DiceTillDawn have you played the game before? it's actually quite simple to set up and play.
@FinnCanDo858 жыл бұрын
+General Ivan Yes I have and I even own it (and 2 expansions, but looking to perhaps trade it off) I understand and agree that it is pretty easy to setup and play, but the constant calculation of the bases and the combination of card abilities and ongoing effects just make it so cumbersome to manage in comparison to how simple it is that I just don't enjoy playing it. I would like it to either make the effects and abilities much easier to track and keep it lighter or then make something much more strategic and heavy.
@AX5Terminator8 жыл бұрын
+DiceTillDawn hmmm i've never had a problem keeping track of all the effects. I rather enjoy the math and reading compression that goes into this game. To each its own i guess.
@MisanthropicPrime8 жыл бұрын
+KabukiKid I also thought the idea of smashing two factions together would be a fun game, but the execution of the design is too clunky, too random, and too unbalanced to be enjoyable. I gave it multiple plays, but it each time I always felt like the winner was decided before the first real turn of the game began. Some faction combinations seemed unstoppable, and others were completely counterproductive (where one faction's mechanisms worked completely opposite of the other, making the deck fight against itself rather than the other players).
@elecguts8 жыл бұрын
If Tom had a mustache, he'd totally be Wario
@thorny16 жыл бұрын
Love smash up! Have only done it only two or three times but played with 6 people in teams of two with some house rules. Every player chooses ONE faction and they play with their teammates faction. All rules and play are normal, each person draws five from the shared team deck. However, only one player on a team can use their hand and no sharing cards or showing your teammate your hand. The big change is that you alternate your teams turn between you and your teammate. Adds a bit more strategy and planning and seemed to work okay as well as gave some factions that had anytime actions an upper hand.
8 жыл бұрын
Oooh, I was totally not expecting a review of an older game, awesome! I would enjoy more older game reviews that were never covered by Tom.
@robertdunn48478 жыл бұрын
+Sean Thompson But the thing is it was covered by Tom. Three years ago.
@chrisnutt21358 жыл бұрын
It is a good look back. There are a lot of expansions for smash up now, even though it doesn't feel like it since they all fit nicely into a single box. The core gameplay of Smash Up has thankfully stayed the same and every expansion simply adds new choices and surprises to the core gameplay. The only expansion that is worth avoiding is the Cthulhu one since the madness cards barely affect gameplay when only one faction in a 4 player game uses them. That's pretty good going for a game with 5-6 expansions out.
@CNightmare0728 жыл бұрын
While there's a lot of good things to say about it, I think the best thing about Smash Up is that it has an insanely long discovery period. Every new expansion exponentially increases the amount of possible combinations. I have every faction aside from the Munchkin ones, so 34 current factions. 34 x 33 / 2= 561 DIFFERENT POSSIBLE DECKS TO PLAY AS. Because of that, the game feels fresh forever. I also agree that 3-4 is the magic number for this game. 2-player games feel incredibly different & certain strategies are a bit too overbearing. 5 players though is too chaotic; bases break before you have a chance to go.
@BG_StuartJ8 жыл бұрын
I will frequently take one card from each deck, shuffle them, and deal 3-4 to each player. Then each player keeps two of the cards dealt to determine their decks. This helps prevent people from outright picking the OP combos.
@AndrewKapish8 жыл бұрын
I absolutely agree that Smash Up, as a free-for-all game, is at its best with 3 players. And though I will never play another 4-player free-for-all game of Smash Up again in my life, Smash Up makes an amazing 2v2 team game. The first player to 15VP still triggers the end-game, but the team with the higher total VP wins. I think a 2v2 game of Smash Up would make a great Dice Tower live play. Maybe once you get your hands on the It's Your Fault expansion? I seriously recommend checking out this variant. boardgamegeek.com/thread/1247262/team-smash-2v2
@martinjmcc19818 жыл бұрын
When are you reviewing the New expansion?
@skidawg228 жыл бұрын
Still enjoying this game with all expansions - and have preordered the It's Your Fault expansion that comes out soon. I always play with random factions, even though Geeks is my favorite faction in the game, and have played with 5 and 6 players as well as the standard 3 and 4 (warning: never play this with 6). Also doing a 100 game challenge with this game, and it's going well.
@skidawg228 жыл бұрын
+Michael Czerniewski Just in case it needs clearing up, I do play with Cthulhu and Munchkin elements and just have them available when/if they're needed.
@Ama-Deus8 жыл бұрын
i always put bases equal to the number of players to have early fights also there is an app to keep track of the score 'Smash-up Randomizer''
@Informal_Geek8 жыл бұрын
Where'd you get the spider legs Tom? ;)
@WilliamTaylorII8 жыл бұрын
The "pretty pretty princess" faction you scoff at is actually really good and has some really strong cards. And as much as I don't like Steve Jackson, I bought the Munchkin set and it also adds some good stuff to the game.
@Monkeyb00y8 жыл бұрын
Pretty Pretty Smash Up expansion: Fairies, Mythic Horses, Kitty Cats, and Princesses. Amazing :)
@curtisbean35498 жыл бұрын
Love the South Dakota shirt
@ghjk95928 жыл бұрын
I've only got the base game tried pretty much all combinations of factions but i've become pretty adept with a Robot/Dinosaur team-up so much so when we do play it now on occasion certain people I play with know to take one or the other if they pick before me.
@godofzombi8 жыл бұрын
It could still use more expansions. I'm hoping somewhere down the line we'll get Luchadores, Cowboys (Right there with you, Tom!) and Mummies.
@johnblack32048 жыл бұрын
I've played with 6 players before. It gets chaotic it but it's viable. For space we played on the floor and time wise it took about an hour and a half.
@EclecticCamel8 жыл бұрын
+John Black I strongly disagree. 4 max.
@thorny16 жыл бұрын
John Black Have only done it only two or three times but played with 6 people in teams of two with some house rules. Every player chooses ONE faction and they play with their teammates faction. All rules and play are normal, each person draws five from the shared team deck. However, only one player on a team can use their hand and no sharing cards or showing your teammate your hand. The big change is that you alternate your teams turn between you and your teammate. Adds a bit more strategy and planning and seemed to work okay as well as gave some factions that had anytime actions an upper hand.
@Informal_Geek8 жыл бұрын
My first reaction to Princess expansion was blah, but it got my wife into playing the game and other friends...WIN!! Honestly, ninja ponies was pretty fun too. Also, I don't like Munchkin but I like the idea of more options to choose from and turns out, the Monster/Treasure decks don't require you to use Munchkin factions and added real good elements to the game, to where we won't play without them.
@chrisnutt21358 жыл бұрын
Yeah. The only dud expansion so far is the Cthulhu one, which never sees play in my group any more since no one likes using the madness cards. Princesses, cats and Werewolves from the recent expansions proved to be big hits at my table.
@Informal_Geek8 жыл бұрын
I agree with worst out of all. However, in a 3-4 player game, the Madness cards are fun. I think what hurts it the most are the factions...they aren't as interesting to mix with other factions. What's Miskatonic doing with Pirates?
@shady6108 жыл бұрын
I've only played the base game with 2 players. I did enjoy it, but i feel it would be better with more. Also interested in playing other factions.
@FatherTime898 жыл бұрын
+Mario Sickenberger There's lots of expansions in fact one just came out today (they do 2 a year). I'd recommend starting with awesome level 9000 (it adds killer plants, steampunks, ghosts, and bear cavalry).
@petemartin64888 жыл бұрын
We usually just random the factions. Lay them all out and roll a d20 and take that faction and then do it again. Prevents people from choosing an "OP" combination. Although we usually don't play with the Cthulu factions because they don't necessarily play well unless other Cthulu factions are in the game. We've played with 5 before (maybe even 6), but I found it dragged the game out too long and added a lot of downtime between turns. Sam, you're missing out by not having the Pretty Pretty expansion. It has some great factions and who can deny that using a princess to hit someone over the head with a frying pan is a bad experience?
@dabearz278 жыл бұрын
Didn't you already review this?
@chrisnutt21358 жыл бұрын
They say in the video they made this just to see how the game has aged over the last 3 or so years. They are still very positive about it, in Sam's case even moreso.
@dabearz278 жыл бұрын
+Chris Nutt Why Smash Up and not other games though? I'm pretty sure the reason they did this is because Tom is giving Sam a platform to explain games on Miami Dice to try and get more views for Sam's other videos.
@skidawg228 жыл бұрын
+newkillerstar26 Also, the next expansion - It's Your Fault - comes out very soon. I'm looking forward to the review for that one.
@NewTrollVideos8 жыл бұрын
Our gaming group takes one card from each faction, shuffles them, and then passes out two of them to each player so each game is completely random.
@skidawg228 жыл бұрын
+New Troll Cool. I use wooden tokens - 1 per faction, each with handmade Sharpie art - and everyone draws 2 for their factions. The tokens are a big hit among the people in my gaming circle.
@FatherTime898 жыл бұрын
+Michael Czerniewski I have assigned each faction a number and we roll a dice. If we're not playing with munchkin or Cthulhu then all factions are accounted for with a 30 sided dice (in fact with the newest expansion there's exactly 30 factions that aren't cthulhu or munchkin). If we are playing with them we use a random number generator app. I like your token idea, where did you get the pellets?
@skidawg228 жыл бұрын
+FatherTime89 Another interesting idea. My tokens were bought at a local Michaels craft store. The drawings on each token are done by me with a Sharpie.
@logicguy378 жыл бұрын
Interesting that Sam says he has no desire to play the Pretty Pretty Smash Up yet he loves Fairy Tale......
@professormayhem30808 жыл бұрын
There is just too much constant adding up of values in order for me to feel engaged enough to like this game. I want to like it, but every time I play, the same thing continues to ruin the experience for me (i.e., "Let's stop and add up these values to see if any of these bases score") Ugggh! it's too much. What a shame.
@exiledsonofhawaii39348 жыл бұрын
You should try camelot legends or blood bowl team manager. Less number crunching but similar mechanics. No shuffling of factions though.
@EntropyGuardian8 жыл бұрын
I got a cheap bag of d20 from Amazon and use them to keep track.
@Trevin_Taylor8 жыл бұрын
there are score mats for free download at BGG. game is really unplayable without them.
@stormy77228 жыл бұрын
3 player, imo, is THE only way to play Smash Up
@Bundeskaiser7 жыл бұрын
I like it both with 3 and 4 players. I agree that 3 is probably the best because the factions are best balanced with 3 players (especially factions whose power depend on the number of players like Tricksters and Aliens). There's one main reason why I also enjoy the game with 4 players. With 2 and 3 players it's almost guaranteed that every player gets points as long as you can't prevent them from being at your base with a destruction or move faction. With 4 players it's easier to prevent 1 player from scoring which is extremely useful when a player is already in the lead and close to victory
@cstud9208 жыл бұрын
WHY IS THUNDERSTONE DEAD?!?
@xxtedgegimmerxx6 жыл бұрын
It’s called a deck building game:)
@Raidre8 жыл бұрын
zombie/robot is the best, hands down. that isnt to say it can't be counter picked, but the counter pick prob wont win the game.
@ZbjetisGod8 жыл бұрын
+Berd nah I think zombie alien is the best from the base set (but there are better overall with expansions)
@ProfOfHifi8 жыл бұрын
+ZbjetisGod I think Ninjas are very powerful if you mix them with strong faction like Dinosaurs.
@godofzombi8 жыл бұрын
+Berd Also Zombie Ponies. A late game Zombie lord followed by Aventure Power (Choose a base: Move any number of your minions to it) will break all but the biggest base in one turn. You might get some ninja's blitzing in to grab second place points, but you should still score some big points on the right base.
@Raidre8 жыл бұрын
+godofzombi Zombie anything is good. Probably the only OP race is zombies.
@godofzombi8 жыл бұрын
+Berd closely followed by aliens if you can spam the invader. Like with the timet travellers/ Time travelling aliens: It makes for a nice Smash Up combo and a good Tom Cruise movie. ;-)
@CheshireKyle8 жыл бұрын
The only 2 expansions I plan on skipping at this moment is Munckin and Cthulhu because they change the game too much, for me
@kirbymaster58 жыл бұрын
The Cthulhu expansion has not aged well, or rather, hasn't gelled well with the rest of the game. The elder things faction is stupidly overpowered and the miskatonic university is at a loss if there's no other faction in the match dealing out madness cards.
@chrisnutt21358 жыл бұрын
Yeah. I tend to leave Cthulhu expansion out of the games I play these days.
@butterscotch9988 жыл бұрын
+kirbymaster5 Elder things are very good. But they are at a loss if the opposing player is playing either a very fast combo (robots and halfings) that break bases very fast, or if they play against a faction like wizards that always have actions to spare. Though I do agree they are very good, top 5, but far from unbeatable or overpowered. MU is very good. Attempt giving yourself a madness, using it to draw 2, then returning it with the psychiatrist from the discard pile. MU involves a lot of micro managing and using your madness to gain benefits, but making sure you dont take too much that you cant return it with things like "Jinkies" Its a very good deck and is best as a supporting faction used for card draw and extra card playing.
@Subcomandante738 жыл бұрын
I played this once or twice, not much fun tbh.
@FiLtheThriL7 жыл бұрын
I don't understand why Sam is so against competitive play of this game. Playing against people who are trying to win can be fun. We use a snake draft and veto method to pick factions. We have everything for this game, and we will randomly pick factions equal to #of players x4 + 2 ( so for 3 players that's 14 ). Then we start the first round of vetoing factions, then choose a faction, then veto, then choose ending up with the last person having 3 to choose from. This allows for people to pick counters or veto their opinion on the "op" factions/combos. The funnest part of this game is making awesome card combos happen. Two player games are fun to me. Tom doesn't understand that being able to get second place with one minion is the strategy of this mode. Feel free to waste your minions on this base to beat me by 20 power. I will get the same points either way. This is why there is more than one base. If you are winning convincingly on a base, then you don't need to score it. Throw some useful minions on a base to force your opponent to try and break it like Archmage or General Ivan. Forcing your opponent to waste their cards is what a lot of factions are meant to do in 2player Smash up. Try Super spy Kittens... it'll change your life.
@EclecticCamel8 жыл бұрын
I still like Smash Up, but it def belongs on a top ten lists of bloated games (too many expansions).
@chrisnutt21358 жыл бұрын
+TheGreatHamEl You really don't notice it once everything is placed into the same box. Everything except for the Cthulhu expansion gels really well together. They are all different flavours of the same game. I would only call expansions bloated if it really slowed down gameplay or added too much that you never use. So, something like Dominion's obscene cardpool or the amount of modules added to Arkham Horror over the years, or the sheer number of AGoT LCG releases over the last decade.
@EclecticCamel8 жыл бұрын
+Chris Nutt I DO have everything, and this game IS bloated.