Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast

Michael Levin is a biologist at Tufts University working on novel ways to understand and control complex pattern formation in biological systems. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors:
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EPISODE LINKS:
Michael's Twitter: / drmichaellevin
Michael's Website: drmichaellevin.org
Michael's Papers:
Biological Robots: arxiv.org/abs/2207.00880
Synthetic Organisms: tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1...
Limb Regeneration: science.org/doi/10.1126/sciad...
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OUTLINE:
0:00 - Introduction
1:40 - Embryogenesis
9:08 - Xenobots: biological robots
22:55 - Sense of self
32:26 - Multi-scale competency architecture
43:57 - Free will
53:27 - Bioelectricity
1:06:44 - Planaria
1:18:33 - Building xenobots
1:42:08 - Unconventional cognition
2:06:39 - Origin of evolution
2:13:41 - Synthetic organisms
2:20:27 - Regenerative medicine
2:24:13 - Cancer suppression
2:28:15 - Viruses
2:33:28 - Cognitive light cones
2:38:03 - Advice for young people
2:42:47 - Death
2:52:17 - Meaning of life
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Here are the timestamps. Please check out our sponsors to support this podcast. 0:00 - Introduction & sponsor mentions: - Henson Shaving: hensonshaving.com/lex and use code LEX to get 100 free blades with your razor - Eight Sleep: www.eightsleep.com/lex to get special savings - LMNT: drinkLMNT.com/lex to get free sample pack - InsideTracker: insidetracker.com/lex to get 20% off 1:40 - Embryogenesis 9:08 - Xenobots: biological robots 22:55 - Sense of self 32:26 - Multi-scale competency architecture 43:57 - Free will 53:27 - Bioelectricity 1:06:44 - Planaria 1:18:33 - Building xenobots 1:42:08 - Unconventional cognition 2:06:39 - Origin of evolution 2:13:41 - Synthetic organisms 2:20:27 - Regenerative medicine 2:24:13 - Cancer suppression 2:28:15 - Viruses 2:33:28 - Cognitive light cones 2:38:03 - Advice for young people 2:42:47 - Death 2:52:17 - Meaning of life

[@MasterKaloryfer]

Thank you! :3

[@MaghrebProductions]

Hi Lex, we would love to see a podcast with Anil Seth.

[@ishtar0077]

You dare to look camera 15:29 🤣🐈

[@BloodMeridien]

Aliens?

[@interesting-facts100]

wheres the alien topic?

[@ninetoedmike]

I have always been in awe of how much Dr. Levin reads. After browsing through pictures of his book collection on Twitter I emailed him to ask how he managed to read so quickly. Although I didn't expect a response, I was amazed not only because he responded, but also by the depth and thoroughness of his response. He obviously took a significant chunk of his valuable time to reply, and I'll never forget that feeling of being acknowledged by someone I hold in such high regard. Dr. Levin is a giant in the research community, and, perhaps more importantly, he is exceedingly kind and generous. He doesn't let his position and influence go to his head. I hope his colleagues and research assistants know how lucky they are to work with him. That would be a dream come true for me.

[@arminrosic9550]

We are dying to know - how DOES he read so quickly ? :)

[@ninetoedmike]

@@arminrosic9550 Persistence, for starters, but also paying close attention to what may or may not be important for whatever it is you're wanting to learn. If you're reading something that you are already familiar with, read more in a skimming fashion until you reach something that doesn't seem familiar or is pertinent to what you're wanting to learn. Remove distractions whenever possible. Give your reading your full focus. It's not so much about speed as it is about the process. Making the effort to read efficiently is better than simply reading faster.

[@danielvarga_p]

Micheal Levin work is revolutionary, I propose a theory what explains it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e4O1aWWDmrWVask

[@ladym2061]

Agreed, and well said. 👍

[@Tobi-pn2xs]

@@ninetoedmike I would highly appreciate if you could share his full response

[@Daniel-jh1np]

Does KZbin have a function where I can simultaneously make Lex speak at 1.25x and Levin at 0.75x?

[@chrisjohnriddle]

😂

[@appsenence9244]

Lol

[@justsomeguy1074]

I know you are joking but on mobile if you hold down your finger on the right side of the video it will play forward 2x and the left side will rewind 2x. So you can set the speed at .75 then speed it up by holding your finger on the right side.

[@justsomeguy1074]

Once you hold to speed up it resets the speed to normal. Oh well!

[@captainpumpkinhead1512]

@@justsomeguy1074 This works on desktop too. Just click and hold.

[@PAULSWorld131]

I need a lot of time to take all this in. This was about 10 podcasts in one. Just incredible.

[@holaizzy]

I agree! I'm only about 20 minutes in and I've already rewound multiple times.

[@Kormac80]

Lex is the single indispensable podcast for me, mainly bc of the quality of guests and how astute Lex’s questions are.

[@stanlee2200]

YEAH HE PUTS THE AS IN ASTUTE

[@eltercerhombre4683]

Yesss finally hosting this future Nobel prize winner!!!

[@artandculture5262]

If his stuff aligns with the muhnee/kuntrole people, sure.

[@madhatter2308]

Definitely!

[@daarom3472]

This is a reference btw to Kurt Jaimungal's interview with him (TOE channel). Really great to see Lex also taking this giant for an interview!

[@zeppelinpotts8268]

the guy should at least be nominated.

[@bradbear]

I remember tweeting at lex a couple years ago suggesting Michael. The fact that Facebook has funded a lot of his research makes me nervous but he seems like a good person. 🤞

[@everestwonder]

I haven't had my mind blown so consistently throughout a podcast before. Actually took me 3 days to watch it because I kept pausing and going down rabbit holes

[@danielvarga_p]

Micheal Levin work is revolutionary, I propose a theory what explains it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e4O1aWWDmrWVask

[@jonnybravvo4282]

@Reines Bewusstsein I could follow this, but most won't. You've made some great points, but I'd suggest you shorten it, and dumb it down some. We are running out of time, and the reset is coming. If good wins, it will be amazing freedom, and if evil wins, I can tell you know what comes next. Peace be with you, and stay healthy. I love hearing others go into the deep end, and retain logic. Spirituality, and science are commonly believed to be one, or the other. I believe this is a mistake, and like you said, divide, and conquer

[@jonnybravvo4282]

@Reines Bewusstsein I'm sorry if that came off as criticism, or downing anyone. You took the time, to articulate an imperative message. Keep up your good work, and I'll so attempt to spread the message, to those that may not be able to follow your in depth analysis. We def have to break the slave/hive mind. I agree your correct. It's gonna take ALL OF US, that can truly see thru the BS, to speak up. God bless, stay brave, healthy, and strong my friend

[@jonnybravvo4282]

@Reines Bewusstsein you're over target, fs. It's time ALL OF US unite, or I fear our time may run out

[@jonnybravvo4282]

@Reines Bewusstsein I was wrong to critique your strategy. I apologize. Your intuition is on point, and I applaud you for not self censoring. I try to go the more simplified route, only due to the fact that I know that not all have upper level IQs, like you, and I. I do not think either way is incorrect. I think both ways are equally valuable, and I'm with you. Stay well, positive, and keep pushing truth out there, in any form. Your intellectual talent is evident, and that will resonate well with intellectuals. It's my belief, we're gonna need everyone we can, to unite against what I see, and feel coming. Thank you for speaking up, and my apologies again for my criticism. I'll continue to do what I can as well. I do think people are waking up, and I don't mean "woking up", but there's many still caught under the manipulation of lies. I'm optimistic, and I hope you are too my friend

[@csbluechip]

I have NEVER before heard an interviewer stop an answer to get the guest to define a word [agential] ... So much respect to you! I wish more people would do that.

[@richardf2209]

Listening to Michael Levin was one of the most spiritual events of my life. Specifically, when talking about the self and cellular boundaries and where selves end and how multiple cellular systems, using what he called a multiscalar competency architecture, define the "right" self boundary, is very much the way ancient esoteric spiritual writings tell of our having the boundary of self all wrong and what it truly is, which becomes the very definition of enlightenment. And even further, when he said each cell is another cell's external environment, that warped my sense of the external and revealed how plastic defined self boundary is when, just what is self and how far does it/can it go, is considered. Beyond heady! Very, very much so. Thank you, Michael, and thank you, Lex!

[@jonathanpelletierturcotte9174]

This guy is mind blowing to the fullest extent possible

[@snowman1722]

Totally. Absolutely mind bending

[@BEDLAMITE-5280ft.]

Wish they both could agree that there is only one mind. 2:00:39

[@vwarrier]

Only 9 minutes in, and I already think so. Zenobots....WOW!!!

[@Jm-wt1fs]

Lex has gotten so goddam good at these interviews. He navigates these super complex conversations in a really entertaining way while still asking some just incredibly insightful questions that he seemingly comes up with naturally instead of off of some pre prepared list

[@danielazzopardi8657]

@@BEDLAMITE-5280ft. 😮😮😮😮😮

[@briand3d]

This is the most mind-blowing podcast I have EVER watched! Thank you Lex!

[@alevargasa]

Unbelievable

[@aaditya91]

Absolutely, this was just on a whole another level

[@rainaldkoch9093]

I came here to write just that. Highest density of moments being surprised since early childhood.

[@TheDrwpuma]

Also makes me realize how many more things I’m missing out on. There’s just not enough time to hear and read about it all!!!!

[@videowatching9576]

@@TheDrwpuma yea! That point about time, makes me think of the point by Michael Levin in this podcast about energy as a constraint for an agent of various scale, as well as the point about biology making decisions with no where close to enough info. In a broader sense, I guess that’s life - or is selecting what to watch on KZbin, etc.

[@cdpmedia2011]

As a 'mental midget' trying to glean knowledge from brainiacs let me say that this Micahel Levin guy is one of the most succinct, eloquent, clear, amazing conveyors of complicated scientific information I've ever seen in my 57 years. So glad and amazed that his collection of cells is so WONDERFUL.

[@harounhajem7972]

It blew my mind when reading about what Dr Levin is doing in the lab and what discoveries they are making. Oh man! Science rocks!!

[@ElusivEnigma]

Which book?

[@Adam-vq1uy]

This episode is incredible. Had to pause it to chew on what Michael was saying several times, then go back and relisten to sections again. Totally changes the way I think about medicine and biology and computing. Truly amazing stuff his team are working on. You've got to have him back for another episode in the future!

[@RosieRoserules]

Me too. Also had to Google certain terms and so forth

[@AnomalyDragon-]

He’s great at keeping it understandable tho but does it fast

[@scotland_from_up_high7440]

I've never heard of this guy but I can already tell he is pretty special. He speaks with urgency because he knows a truth that he knows needs to be shared amongst the masses. Looking forward to listening to more of his stuff

[@jeremyt4292]

That or too much Adderall

[@jamesbra4410]

@@jeremyt4292 Yes without it they can’t speak

[@AB-1023]

@@jeremyt4292 I remember that phase when I quit adderall - when I accused everyone else of being on it who was accomplishing more than me

[@jeremyt4292]

@@AB-1023 I've never been on Adderall. Not taking away from his amazing intellect or accomplishments, just making an observation

[@surfside75]

Great comment and should be pinned, I was thinking the same but couldn't word it.😅

[@davidcarvalho442]

Listen to 5 minutes...repeat 10x to understand...continue...repeat

[@cliffordchase319]

Hey... youu know there is no other way. This is collective knowledge in science. These are the most brilliant minds on earth. It's not simple but no science is. Imagine if they added in basic high school biology ... 99% of the audience would be lost in 60 seconds. The beauty here is general language ... no equations... let's be grateful for this as is.

[@pauld205]

This guy is so passionate. I typically listen to Lexs videos to help me fall asleep, but this guy is possessed. I miss that feeling

[@ericgraham8150]

Thanks Lex. I really think Lex deserves some kind of Nobel Prize or some equivalent- He is single handedly, one episode at a time, making the internet a richer, more worth while place.

[@JerryMetal]

and is dedicated to spreading love-comments on Twitter

[@carlitoplatanito5402]

I think Pulitzer Prize is what you are looking for and I totally agree!

[@ericgraham8150]

@@carlitoplatanito5402 Actually, Pulitzer sounds spot on.

[@binstas]

I love the science guests. Not really a fan of his guests lately

[@ericgraham8150]

@@binstas You... I'm bummed to say I actually agree with you. He's had some guests on lately that I thought were kind of unusual choices and felt like something more suited for joe rogan or something such.

[@kakgopraviat]

It is truly amazing how a person can have such a vast knowledge in biology and overall broad understanding of so many topics and STILL be so humble and with the notion that he does not know it all, but quite the contrary questioning everything, even his own tested ideas. Makes me wondering how we, the other people, make so many assumptions that we stick with throughout our whole lives and sometimes we never let go of ideas that no longer serve us despite obviously understanding that everything is changing and we do not truly understand anything.

[@rahkriga]

And yet..oh so racist. A biologist, but anti life when it comes to black people...

[@rui569]

To learn we can't fool ourselves of knowing.

[@ianrandall482]

It's part of the Dunning-Kruger effect, those that KNOW a lot about a subject, also know how little they actually know. As opposed to people who know very little on a subject, and never realise how little they actually know.

[@joecamel6835]

I got scared !

[@marybodnar4749]

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻. Well said!!

[@jakubkonopa5840]

I am in awe, this podcast made me connect so many isolated thoughts about fascinating world of emergent properties of biology, i am truly grateful that while i rarely find people to talk about what i am interested in there are many recorded conversations that allow me to get a perspective that there is so much depth to the world that we live in , truly great time to be alive

[@remyparent3493]

Emerging property is my new favorite concept. It's feels like it's a piece of the puzzle of the unified theory. It's present at all stacks of reality from quantum to complex civilization. Now just need to find all the other pieces.

[@99guspuppet8]

❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ a multi-edged sword ……… let’s all go to Sugar rock Candy Mountain

[@denelljacobus3324]

This is my favorite episode by far! As usual, the interview style and content is awesome. This is my introduction to Michael Levin. I am awestruck by his mind, and also by the way he explains concepts and ideas using relatable imagery. I was able to maintain a fairly rolling understanding with very few instances of needing to pause, and back up, which is definitely unusual for me. I love complicated scientific content, and I have to work hard to understand it. Thanks for this, and all the other really great interviews.

[@eron17]

Of all the episodes on this podcast, this one is most mind blowing.

[@jacksins3353]

Hey, it really is. I was supposed to be cleaning as I listened to this, but too often I had to stop and think about what he said or what the future implications of the idea were. I would be happy with 2 or three more of him.

[@johnathanlivingstonseagull5524]

Or, interestingly, incert a hickup every thirty seconds and it still fits.

[@navnirmansingh2953]

Try the first one with Josha bach

[@james81693]

I see this comment in every lex podcast 😆

[@mattthai7378]

That is a BOLD statement

[@advocate1563]

We are electric! One of my academic heroes. Great to see him here. Straigjtforward, humble, dedicated scientist.

[@TheToysintheattic]

So are friends. kzbin.info/www/bejne/baOue5mVebyYmbc

[@preppen78]

Am I a robot..?

[@johnman559]

He's very likeable considering he has a beard😃👍

[@steveflorida8699]

If Mind operates the biological brain, then we humans are more than "electric". And then the Mind is a mystery to materialistic biologists.

[@DeuceGenius]

@@preppen78 yes. built by genes for their survival and reproduction.

[@MrPatcher86]

Ive listened to this podcast 3 times over the last few months, every time i listen i get something new and mind blowing. Thank you Lex for hosting such an amazing mind

[@puddlesjumper]

I'm on my third time listening to and watching it in the past 5 days.👍

[@jamessavery276]

That was out of this world. Totally inspiring. Thank you for the good work, Lex. Michael Levin may well turn out to be one of the greatest scientists of our time.

[@EnriquePage91]

Michael Levin is such a brilliant man 🙏🏼

[@FerrisMcLauren]

so deep

[@The_Primary_Axiom]

This evolution talk makes me think of Rupert Sheldrake’s morphic resonance which was dismissed as pseudo science. Maybe it is or maybe we haven’t understood it. But it is so damn interesting. I think there’s definitely something to it.

[@surfside75]

A gift to human kind💙 We are so close to finding that this is all a digital creation of some kind. Most are afraid to go there though 😐

[@josho816]

Really cute too

[@The_Primary_Axiom]

@@surfside75 Did you know all the data in the world can fit into 20 grams of dna ? That’s a teaspoon. A teaspoon of dna can store mankind’s entire internet data plus every other data. Each persons DNA is a trillionth of a gram. Just think about how small technology is going to get in the future if not invisible.

[@aaditya91]

Not even an hour in, but my mind has been blown out of proportions at least three times so far. The quality of guests on here keeps getting better, Lex you’re truly a blessing dude. Cheers from 🇮🇳

[@user26912]

Wait till you get to the planarians :D

[@danielvarga_p]

Micheal Levin work is revolutionary, I propose a theory what explains it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e4O1aWWDmrWVask

[@mt-qc2qh]

I was led here on KZbin right after listening to one of Levin's lectures. This guy is incredibly mind blowing. His experiments in biology and intelligence are hard to describe how thought stimulating. He has me as a new student today.

[@Bootman899]

What an intelligent man. Truly remarkable the way he expressed himself and his ideas. Awesome interview

[@eyesofchild]

Half way in, and this lecture contains 10x the significant content that almost all others have. Oh shoot. See? I called it a lecture. You were important too, Lex!! A masterclass also in light-handed, appropriate interviewing technique.

[@brandondrew4914]

Like Rogan lex knows when to let people talk and when to direct the convo. True Master as you say and he never makes it seem like an interrogation like many others.

[@LandonBell11]

How could you not just sit and let that man talk, though? This blew my brain up a little bit. Especially the part about the gametes being cut away from communicating before healing and making conjoined twins. 🤯

[@wabun]

The depth on this episode is fascinating. It's like a portal into Biophysics.

[@ChazWalkerWonders]

Listening to these two talk is cathartic. The rapid pace of Dr Levin and slow reasoning of Lex... I could listen to that all day.

[@robinhill259]

One of the best Lex Fridman podcasts I've listened to so far. Michael Levin has such a thorough understanding of his fields of expertise that he is able to explain things clearly, concisely and fluently to mere mortals such as myself who listen in fascination to his knowledgeable insight.

[@Manya172]

Mind blowing 3 hours of fast-paced, profound and informative conversation. Mad respect for Michael and Lex.

[@danielvarga_p]

Micheal Levin work is revolutionary, I propose a theory what explains it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e4O1aWWDmrWVask

[@radwizard]

Sweet! You had him on. This dude's work is Noble Prize worthy 100%. Potential electrical gradients of tissue signals tissue growth patterns....

[@philanthropicnightmare1206]

couldn't wait for lex to have him on. my lucky day

[@Vaeldarg]

Heard about the electrical gradient thing before being applied to flatworms, including making them grow multiple heads. Think that was the "planarian" he mentioned. It looked like a big thing for regenerative medicine, but can you guess how it was used? In a talk about improving digital neural networks. (facepalm)

[@ImGoingToMakeShowsWithOprah]

I am so in love with hearing passionate educated people speak on their areas of interest. Wow.

[@pablomarcelmx]

This episode should be turn into a Movie, just mind boggling

[@xp1816]

I always wondered how Lex gets the guests he does. This interview has won me over, wonderful guest, Lex killed it with insightful, interesting questions, matching his passion. What a wonderful piece of content.

[@jimsteen911]

Well he teaches at MIT and so I imagine it started there. He's in academia.

[@moormanjean5636]

Truly

[@ifyoureadthisyoudi]

@@jimsteen911 he has left academia, and he didn't really teach at MIT

[@iestynne]

This one has been resurfacing in my thoughts almost daily since it aired. It expanded my thinking about so many things. The single most interesting podcast I have ever listened to.

[@ustfdes]

I'm with you here. I've listened to this episode probably 4 times in two months, and I recommend it every chance I get. It is the single most mind-blowing, mind-bending and mind-opening podcast I have ever seen/heard in my life. Michael Levin is clearly only scratching the surface of his knowledge on these topics, and it's fascinating.

[@RogueElement.]

💯💯

[@charleshazen5779]

Same, I feel the same about the amazon researcher he had on as well

[@michaeljesch1270]

Thank you, Lex, for having this conversation. There is so much to digest here.

[@JeremyCoppin]

Thank you Lex and Michael for his time. That was a truly incredible journey.

[@mariannahasegawa4215]

It feels overwhelming how easy the access to the top brilliant minds of our time got. This man is talking about edge-cutting science while I am eating my breakfast in the kitchen. I feel nothing but deep gratitude.

[@joejones9520]

the internet is the most amazing human invention of all time, people who yearn for the days before it are silly. Im not even a computer person, in fact I hate using computers but the info is incredible.

[@redyican5341]

@@joejones9520 Internet is the nervous system of humanity or AI that will or already taken over

[@rustybolts8953]

It's almost 4am and my body is sending my 'self' to bed, whither I like it or not. Will resume watching as soon as my energy is recharged. Fascinating interview so far. Thanks to both of you.

[@SamoaVsEverybody814]

It's 2:13am eastcoast for me n idc that I gotta b up early, totally worth it lol

[@biffa1234100]

Rustybolts and his tired nuts Im right there with you bro in this morphogenic field. Night night

[@misslevapor]

3:12

[@Gentleman8astard]

Sending your self to bed, but your Self to the dream-space.

[@mintihar]

His ability to convey his knowledge is amazing. Hanging on every word.

[@Glen-Hart]

It's great that you Lex have the ability to give an audience to these great minds that are chipping away at the important questions of life. You gather and supply information for the masses, You drive episodes in such a unique way. I have found so many interesting people from your youtube channel. Fantastic, Keep up the great work/life.

[@UgurDinch]

This was insanely good! Never knew biology was this interesting. Michael's passion and excitement really radiates through. Thank you!

[@danielvarga_p]

Micheal Levin work is revolutionary, I propose a theory what explains it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e4O1aWWDmrWVask

[@appsenence9244]

U see 1 million different ways for life to solve life's problems and u think it would be not interesting? Now that's interesting

[@lordcrispen]

Thank you so much for supplying visuals. I don't think I've been so invested and glued to a podcast before. This was so accessible.

[@user-dg7df3sv7r]

The world is a much better place with Lex Fridman in it (I was going to say 'the internet' but I believe he is *actually* changing the world through education, understanding, curiosity and kindness 💗)

[@bacheloretteNo3]

Thank you! This is one of the most interesting podcasts/conversations I have seen in my life. It has too many amazing ideas for one watch, so I think I'll have to rewatch it later.

[@TwistedMesses]

This definitely needs way more views, I've already watched it 4 times and I know I'm not alone, I feel like the view count is not representative of the real number of humans who have seen this. Absolutely fascinating. I'd say it's up there with the first Joscha Bach as fave episode of all time.

[@albertgualanoiii7082]

Lex NEVER fails to ask my question for me, or to expand on a concept and clarify it for me. Just before I am about to pause the conversation to google something that was said, Lex does that work for me in a very fluid manner which enhances my listening/learning experience.

[@mattd237]

@lexfridman I have missed my calling and now live vicariously through these podcasts. Hard to put into words the value of your work and mission. A thousand 🙏🏼

[@YoungMasterpiece]

A side of the terrors that happen, I love the time we are living in. So many brilliant people, that you, also brilliant, talk to, Aleksei. I hope Konstantin Batygin will return amongst your guests. Thank you!

[@reverendbutcher8898]

This ep was more stimulating and did more to challenge and help articulate some of my own abstract ideas and ontologies on life n agency than most of the sci-fi ive consumed. lex's podcast is a diamond mine, and this a biggun.

[@steveflorida8699]

However, the origin of Life is still a mystery to materialistic scientists.

[@tropicalnofruit1419]

@@steveflorida8699 materialism is miles better than any other truth seeking epistemology

[@steveflorida8699]

@@tropicalnofruit1419 the values of goodness, beauty, truth, reasoning, imagination and love is not inherent materialistic machinations atoms. Materialism does not define and represent all of the human condition.

[@tropicalnofruit1419]

@@steveflorida8699 all those characteristics are formed through evolutionary pressures. We have those qualities your talking about because there traits we’ve kept that increase our efficiency as a species to proliferate as individuals and communities. Can I ask? What do you subscribe to if not materialism? Creationism, theism or something similar?

[@steveflorida8699]

@@tropicalnofruit1419why did Not other mammal animals through "evolutionary pressures" acquire these characteristics like us humans? I will inform you again. Values like love, goodness, beauty and truth are not inherent in atoms. Just like Life is not a materialistic endowment. The source is not lifeless molecules. When one comes to realization, that the human condition and nature are more than mere physical matter. Then One's philosophy of Life needs to adjust and reflect reality. Surely, to seek, find and know the source will enhance the mortal journey and discover a new future.

[@cosmotect]

I have to join most people in saying that this episode in just nuts. This podcast constantly boosts my already high hunger for following people of exceptional intelligence, and Michael here seems like a person you would have the most amazing conversation with. So thankful that people like him are receiving the time in the light that they deserve

[@maddmacs]

I've watched this three times in a row, and took notes the third time. Some of these ideas are really applicable to forensic psychology.

[@kroey221]

This conversation gives me so much hope and excitement for the future.

[@gamblinguru33]

Lex, this might be one of your best podcasts

[@tutupuff6359]

If it’s groundbreaking science you want, this is the channel. Excellent.

[@dan7373]

Listening to Michael Levin is a delight. Well done Lex.

[@justinneuroth1371]

I absolutely love your conversations, I am so happy I found your KZbin channel. I've been listening to all sorts of stuff. Perfect way to wind down for the night.❤

[@drheckle]

I usually get a great return from my time with Lex, but this will be watched a few times before I actually can grasp all the concepts here... mind blown!!!! Thank you and Dr. LEVIN

[@robertrozier2940]

What an absolutely AMAZING episode Lex! Thank you so much! What an overwhelmingly intensely interesting guest. So brilliant !!!! 👏 👏

[@marissasmith]

"What do you call it when you put a cheese on toast?" That was absolutely poetry.

[@2ndfloorsongs]

A "Lexism" if you will.

[@ukeedge2761]

Beautiful!

[@oncedidactic]

What words could possibly reach the ideal that is cheese on toast.

[@michaelholly9254]

Such good advice in this video! I have known hundreds of business owners and that advice is pure gold! Loved how he really looks inward and has embraced change to improve his situation.

[@yoeskalatoryo]

I love every time when Lex thinks of the layman listening should pay attention to what has just been said (or simply to buy some time processing the large amount of information), he breaks the complex explanation and goes "isn't that wild/amazing" kind of meta-questions w bro vibes 👊

[@marybodnar4749]

Lex, you are an absolute gem of a human being.

[@surrendertoflow78]

I haven’t even gotten to listen yet but I’m so excited for this interview I literally clapped my hands together, jumped up and down, and squealed gleefully…

[@ashhempsall9803]

Thank you for your important contribution

[@alberteinstein3078]

It's good 👍

[@scorps192]

Deary me. Smh.

[@steveflorida8699]

However, the origin of Life is still a mystery to materialistic biologists and scientists.

[@steveflorida8699]

@@ThatGuy-kz3fx if Life (living organisms) is not inherent in atoms and lifeless molecules, then surely Life comes from Life the source of Life. A living intelligent universal being. Therefore, to seek, find, and know that Life Being will unravel cosmic mysteries. And reveal the higher purpose of human personalities' journeys and the values of living.

[@elmorganou]

I'm 15 mins in and already know that this one is going to need a bottle of wine !

[@deanerhockings-reptilianhu8701]

Awesome work as ever Lex! Love the energy. So much juice in so many of your pod-grammes!

[@Bartisim0]

This man is telling us about the future. Thank you both.

[@Spaceadventure2]

Born too soon.

[@beukeboom3879]

First time watching him 30 seconds ..... wow!!! I'm enjoying every second I'm watching!

[@VperVendetta1992]

Not just telling it, he's creating it. Future Nobel prize winner for sure.

[@DM100]

Hopefully not.

[@govindagovindaji4662]

1:32: 14 Not only does Michael Levin possess an extremely bright mind, his delivery is astonishing. What I appreciate most about him is that he frequently gives examples of what he is explaining which helps the learner or listener tremendously. And here it seems he recognizes the trouble we can run into with language and old frameworks, himself, so much so that he is "developing conceptual Frameworks for understanding unconventional cognition." Brilliant~!! Thank you both for this rich, rich conversation.

[@brumhelldah917]

1:32:14

[@JS-jr1fo]

Dude you are cringe af… thinking that using technical terms makes you sound intelligent when all you had to say was “dr levin finds new ways to easily explain complex topics” 🙄 thats all that you said in the entire paragraph lmao

[@vyrv6719]

Commenting just to draw attention to this interview again. Still one of the most important discussions I have listened to in years.

[@ErikRoseJohnsen]

Of all the podcasts I have seen or heard, this is by far the most interesting one ever. What insight, intellect and vision Michael Levin possesses. Blew my mind.

[@th-ku9bk]

Lex has basically taken the most interesting aspect of the JRE podcast to a new level. Definitely my favourite podcast/podcaster. Respect 🙏 brother.

[@Jake_Hamlin]

Without the sellout sponsorships too

[@davestier6247]

Lex is a soft spoken guy on a personal quest for truth and beauty and also happens to be a genius. Joe is a meathead mediocre comic who made a shit ton of money on TV and then commentating on MMA, then made even more money podcasting for dummies. Lex is on another level from Joe.

[@AG-ig8uf]

@@davestier6247 Indeed, getting interesting info from JRE, is like sifting through dumpster of filth to find gems. For every decent guest he will have bunch of uninteresting at best and downright frauds and compulsive liars. And increasingly he buys into his own hype, he used to call himself "just a dumb comedian", but I feel he doesn't really mean that and truly believes in himself being way more intelligent.

[@TV-xm4ps]

This to me is the most relevant conversation of the year. The implications of the concepts discussed can not be overstated.

[@repoman84]

Keep going Ryan, glad to be on tbis ride with you and the community

[@mattgraves3709]

All seriousness, this is one of the best talks so far... And you have had some absolutely phenomenal conversations Lex... Holy smokes man

[@haldanesghost]

I was eagerly awaiting for this! Watch him win a Nobel in the next decade or two.

[@thorbjrnhutters130]

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[@thorbjrnhutters130]

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[@matts3414]

For sure

[@jaredcallaway828]

This was such an amazing experience to get to watch this interview! It blows my mind, and inspires me to realize how much I don’t know!! Thank you both very much for everything you do!!!

[@RokStembergar]

I keep coming back to this video. Every time i watch it, i get some new perspectives i haven't considered. It is truly marvellous that in the current wasteland of commercialism i get to listen to this for free

[@felicededuyo7999]

Lex’s purposive questioning shapes the depth, the height, the direction, the speed and the power of Mike’s electrified liver, hormones, and BRAIN. Remarkable communication.

[@jsimp8540]

The things this man is doing is revolutionary.

[@marta5sings]

What a deep, informative and thought-provoking interview. Thank you!

[@clarencejones4717]

This is the most fascinating conversation I've ever heard.

[@ProdigalPygmy]

This is one of the most interesting episodes so far. So nice to hear someone deep in a field of study converse with someone who can analytically keep up in the conversation.

[@connecteddthoughts]

I remember hearing about xenobots in RealScience's video on Nebula. The details are truly unbelievable. Great show.

[@credence7777777]

simply the best interview on the topic that i have ever seen. i had to keep stopping it to run to my wife to try to explain to her why this is so exciting. bravo!

[@jghvac80]

Hey Lex! I’ve been following your progress for a few years now. From the first time I seen you on Rogan, I knew you were a truly fascinating person. I know you have struggled with negative comments in the past, so I wanted to leave a kind and loving one! Your work in robotics, is nothing less than cutting edge, but your work on humanity is nothing short a revolution. You bring minds together that really DO HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE THE WORLD. Thank you for all the amazing people you have introduced me to. You have broadened my knowledge base, by an infinite margin. The single coolest part for me is to watch the literal tables turn before my eyes, as I see the true intellectuals, becoming modern day rock stars…. Or Doc stars, for our context. Thanks again for all you do my friend! I’m a huge fan, and I look forward to see where you take these conversations in the future! Lastly….. bro!!!!! Fuck the haters!!!

[@neildutoit5177]

Kind of mindblowing how someone can speak this fast for 3 hours and I'm still thinking that this should have been a lot longer.

[@piotrbartczak737]

Bumping it up so more people might see those two geniuses sharing info

[@-TheEclipse-]

"All intelligence is collective intelligence" should give us pause for thought and about how we see ourselves. A brilliant man with a brilliant mind. Thank you for bringing this in to the collective. I hope one day Lex might look into interviewing Stuart Kauffman about his TAP (theory of the adjacent possible) equation - which is highly relevant to our times and where humanity may be heading. With gratitude.

[@TheSheekeyScienceShow]

Michael has such a breadth & depth of knowledge. I'd also highly recommend following him on Twitter!

[@douglaurasmith3904]

I have enjoyed your interview with Dr. Levin on multiple occasions. Both you and Lex did a great job of asking insightful questions that allowed Dr. Levin to expound beyond his standard dialog. Thank you.

[@materialobject2412]

His Twitter presence is also deeply understated and personal. A fantastic source of book recommendations too.

[@djdrocco]

Best episode yet. Almost an hour in, and I haven't gone 5 consecutive minutes without hearing something completely revelatory. I feel like I could write a philosophy textbook now, but a) There's still 2 hours left in the podcast (!), and b) I would just be regurgitating and dressing up Michael Levin's ideas. I definitely plan to follow up on him and his research after this.

[@tomkallen]

Wow. I love the format, content and worthy of the viewers time. Pleasantly informative and expands our awareness, thanks

[@kimberleyhosmer5997]

This was an incredible conversation. Thank you for sharing it with us!

[@CyrusLogie]

I've been a fan of Levin's work for years, thank you soooo much for having him on!

[@amandaroberts1222]

So glad to discover him.is he for real.

[@CyrusLogie]

@@amandaroberts1222 Levin is a legitimate professor at a well-regarded institute.

[@user-kk5kr5ys6i]

This was utterly fascinating, but will have to listen again and probably several times to take it all in properly. What an interesting mind Michael Levin has. Thank you very much for bringing him to us, Lex.

[@Cars701]

This is my favorite podcast episode of the year. Just wow.

[@jean-marcgruninger9019]

this is the best lex Friedman interview yet!

[@ThePicklish]

This was the most incredible of the interviews on this channel I've seen. Mind boggling, but not because it was difficult to follow. Michael Levin explained everything at the perfect level