Michelle Troconis criminal trial | Day 18 afternoon

[@clairebenjamin2238]

This judge knows his stuff. Extremely competent, knowledgeable, calm, and professional. Impressive.

[@ginakennedy441]

This judge is the best !!!!

[@lorriof6737]

Now it’s becoming more and more clear. That old truck is speaking volumes 💥

[@lorriof6737]

This is best witness so far! JMO

[@irenetsomidis2167]

Yes!! I agree! He will be the one to put the final nail in her coffin! I like this guy, he tells it as it is

[@fernandaolivares7926]

​@@irenetsomidis2167A nail in her coffin would have been her saying "I'm glad she's dead" not "when she comes back I'm going to kill that FB"... The ONE thing Michelle has been consistent since day one, is she believed Fotis's theory that Jennifer was still alive and torturing them".

[@fernandaolivares7926]

Up until he started telling the seats story...he got very nervous, doesn't remember a lot, was vague, rambled...it was weird.

[@yogabee2222]

​@@fernandaolivares7926not really, he remembered to keep them and gave them to police, DNA match to Jennifer's blood on then I'd say he's quite a remarkable witness. He is nervous and the last place he wants to be is where he is testifying Fotis would have pinned it on him if he could have gotten away with it

[@Mama_2_two]

@@yogabee2222I haven’t watched this video yet but I get the feeling that’s what was going to happen- fotos cut his hair like his, dressed differently, driving his truck 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@vitovenditti4500]

I would think that so many objections would make the defendant look more guilty. Afraid of the truth!

[@Renee1318]

I have heard juries get annoyed at that also.

[@fauxgirl2197]

The judge is the best . Fair !! Learn so much here.

[@RalphOnofrio]

This Judge is a very cool guy.Very fair, very smart in the law.

[@sammagliari4718]

The attorney is a criminal, the judge is a criminal, the media are criminals, they are all criminals.

[@sammagliari4718]

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[@carriebarillas4995]

the defense keeps repeating himself. i’m getting a headache 🤨

[@sistersquad1843]

I feel so bad for this guy made him afraid of losing job, like a vague hint at being deported , he did nothing was just loyal honest employee in my opinion

[@fauxgirl2197]

Narcissists make people fear them to get control . Fortis did this to this guy but something must have clicked 💡 when fortis told him to write a timeline ! Big flag!

[@Graciela.Feb28th]

❤ Ohhhh the defence is annoying af! No wonder he needed his own lawyer! Every time it can implicate Michelle (specially with the missing bucket from Jennifer's house) The defence blocks evidence! He should be thrown out 🤦‍♀️🙆‍♀️ I applaude the prosecution standing up for Jennifer!

[@sistersquad1843]

Michelle had a lot of nerve calling her names since she was in her house

[@fernandaolivares7926]

Well, techincally it was Fotis house, the morgage was under his name ...sure, it was built with Jennifer's parents money which they were suing him for, but sadly they never made him sign anything. Until the last day of his life he said it was HIS house, so I doubt Michelle thought she was living in Jennifer's house...

[@irenetsomidis2167]

@@fernandaolivares7926Her mother was paying the mortgage thou! It was mentioned somewhere .

[@tiffanieoverby7803]

@@fernandaolivares7926her mother was the one paying the mortgage so he can/could say whatever he wanted but it doesn’t change the fact her moms money built it her mom was paying the mortgage and her mom was the one that had it foreclosed on and sold and the money she got went to all 5 of the children in a trust which was 1.7 million I think it was

[@tiffanieoverby7803]

@@irenetsomidis2167yes she was….she got the money from the sale after the foreclosure she had done on it and put it in a trust for all of the children….i just read this a few hours ago lol

[@fernandaolivares7926]

@@irenetsomidis2167 The morgage and house was to Fotis's name, but the inlaws signed as the trustees, so when Fotis stopped paying the morgage they went knocking at the inlaws (only the mother in law was alive by then) so she continued to pay for the sake of the children until Jennifer disappeared and sued him.

[@bcmnyc4632]

Get rid of the screen saver on the defense table of a large group of happy children. It is way too personal for this setting. I’ve said this over and over.

[@ssssss7816]

I agree

[@MyMistakeBut]

Defendant’s lawyer is extremely annoying, talks too much without making a legally acceptable point, and even interrupts the prosecution with his whining! He is NOT making a compelling case!

[@HollyMeyer-to2gd]

@@irenetsomidis2167 I don’t know why he would be. The state hasn’t proved anything yet. Here’s hoping there is so much more.

[@cynthiamittendorf3251]

Agreed!!

[@Scarlett-u5n1m]

Extremely annoying

[@ppw2393]

Everything out of the defenses mouth is so confrontational. I really can't stand that guy.

[@judithsarazin7110]

The best judge ever a true partner of the process

[@kristinguyen1959]

Love the competent and attentive judge!!!

[@mickienieves2537]

That sweatshirt should had been important in this case .. Dulos was on that bike flying by..

[@fernandaolivares7926]

So far out from the route fro. The Tacoma to Jennifer's house though? I really want to see that video.

[@sistersquad1843]

wow this guy is not dumb fotis tried to get over on him

[@McMc-jl2wn]

No but your council, the court will be heard 😂

[@LilTex0825]

😂😂

[@LilTex0825]

Very credible witness.

[@platosphaedo9097]

I agree.

[@platosphaedo9097]

A side note, did you read about Dolus’ mother? She fell down stairs then shortly after gets run over in the driveway by the babysitter? Children in the car saw it. It was determined an accident and Dolus agreed. Those poor kids and then Jennifer, their mother. So tragic.

[@LilTex0825]

@@platosphaedo9097 did not see that! Will check it out. Thx

[@fernandaolivares7926]

I also find him credible, but did he say anything that actually proves Michelle planned the murder? Would you lock someone up and leave a girl without her mother based a couple of angry comments? So far if I was a juror I would still have a lot if reasonable doubt. Btw the ONE thing Michelle has been consistent on from day one is she 100% believed Fotis's theory that Jennifer was alive and torturing them...if anything, his testimony backs that up.

[@irenetsomidis2167]

@@platosphaedo9097She was run over but not by babysitter. It was someone else that worked at the house

[@Powertec-gi2hn]

So, fotis was dependent on Jennifer's family money so Michelle was then, and she dares to call Jennifer a bi....!!!! ? I guess Michelle thinks is better than Jennifer. It shows what kind of person she is!

[@lorriof6737]

Bring on the bucket 🪣

[@ginakennedy441]

Amen

[@LilTex0825]

Can’t wait to hear about the bucket

[@sandralang9779]

The defense attorney is a weasel. Twisting the truth regarding the sweatshirt. Desperate.

[@Powertec-gi2hn]

I think she knows more than she says!!!!!!!! She pretends she doesn't know. Not saying anything. Good tactic.

[@lorriof6737]

Omg. Way too many breaks!!!

[@Lorenatod]

This guys seems to have a good heart !!

[@SSutton1958]

The defense attorney is the most annoying guy I have ever seen.

[@StephSilva-qw1lm]

He’s just like his client blah blah blah endless circles of crap

[@misssheilamacdonald7010]

Could someone please take the microphone off the keyboard? Sounds like there’s a water feature in the courtroom. Btw the coughing and noise of the keyboard, it’s so very annoying. This is very important testimony.

[@RalphOnofrio]

I want to know why they excuse the jury for certain things.

[@tdmccoy1211]

Bc the jury can't 'unhear' and remain unbiased on information that may or may not be allowed to be entered for consideration.

[@Cantfightthedna]

For as much interest as I’ve had in this trial, this is the most BORING thing I’ve ever listened to in all my trial watching. No intonation in anyone’s voices at all. You’d think they were talking about doing taxes. My lord…

[@ginakennedy441]

This is looking worse than awful 😊

[@caitlynmullins1608]

Shoutout to Chuck and Eddie’s junkyard. That place has been around forever!😂

[@zoeknap9777]

(Zoë’s Mum) omg I detest Troconis’s lawyer sooooo much that I cannot bear listening to his petty and pedantic arguments!!🫣😩I then worry I might miss out on something important🤷🏻‍♀️. What is a girl to do🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️🤔😂😂I’m certain if I was on the jury that I would vote against his client because he IS such a dick!!🤭😉🤪

[@maddisondee5395]

Sucks to be the defense lawyer!!!!he's getting blocked by the judge to death!!!

[@lorriof6737]

This witness seems very uncomfortable. I think he may know a lot more than he’s saying.

[@lesleyhughes3174]

We can't see the possible glares he is receiving from The Defendant. Who wouldn't be nervous? Spaniards are notorious for their temper

[@biancamaclean4794]

Anxiety provoking place to sit. He is from Poland with a green card and Fotis tried to scare him with deportation if he spoke to the police. Fotis and probably Michi used and tried to frame Pawel. He is the state's witness and has been granted immunity. Could you imagine what it would feel like to sit in his seat? I would need prescription meds to be a witness in this tragic case.

[@platosphaedo9097]

There was a 6ft grave hole with Lyme found by two guys on a private property private club purchased by a Dulos attorney whose wife at that time thinks she may have been targeted by her husband and Dulos. Two guys later found hole was filled with rain water and Lyme missing then hole covered as though never there. This is being withheld from the jury. In addition, this guy realized he was being framed. Another trial pending with Dulos’ attorney.

[@LilTex0825]

@@platosphaedo9097that was so creepy

[@irenetsomidis2167]

@@lesleyhughes3174She may be thinking he should also be buried next to the dog and Jennifer!

[@Tinks82]

Law and Crime is a big network so, you would think they could include the names of witnesses, who've testifyied, in their description. They barely include the trial day number or it's part 1 or 2........as they still ask for those "Likes & Subscribes"

[@fernandaolivares7926]

After 2 weeks and an overload of boring information and evidence here is what they actually have against Michelle: 1. Touch dna on the oustide of a trash bag that likely came for her house from a box she opened and used before may 24th. (The state could not confirm where the bag came from...so far). 2. The messiest interviews in the history of interviews with an annoying, nervous wreck with verbal diarrea and zero filter who has only ONE consistent statement across the board: She thought Jennifer was evil, unstable and hiding to torture them (parroting Fotis). 3. Her saying to Pawel in anger "Jennifer should be buried next to the dog" while Fotis bitterly dispaired about Jennifer not allowing the children to say goodbye to their dog... and that "she would kill that FB when she came out of hiding" (again consistent with her belief Jennifer was hurting them on purpose by hiding somewhere). 4. And the fake alibi she recanted by the second interview (we have yet to see the third). So far if I were a juror I wouldn't feel comfortable leaving another child without her mother based on what they have presented. Imo the interviews point at her being battling the thought of Fotis being able to do something like this, which btw Pawel expressed today too when he is going against his gut feeling while taking off the seats of the Tacoma thinking there is no way Fotis could that. If there isn't a HUGE bombshell coming up maybe some jurors can believe she had to at least suspect about the contents of the bags, or believe she knew Fotis had something to do with it when she gave him a fake alibi or that she was played like a fiddle by this man who used her as a prop. That would be their prerrogative.... But for Michelle actually co planning Jennifer's murder...they have SILCH.

[@julesmisty]

You don't have a clue what evidence they have. It's not over and they haven't finished or ruled on it. Your opinion means ZILCH. This poor man finally went over all the small odd things about Dulos and in the end, the sum of them made him fearful that they might think he was involved, Dulos would have him killed or he'd lose his immigration status. DA charged lame charges they knew they wouldn't pursue. It was an attempt to get him to tell them whatever little bits he knew. When he did, charges disappeared. MT could have gotten a sweet plea deal but turned it down tell LE where JD's body and the evidence is (while Dulos was still alive) and she walks free with no charges. These deals are routinely made when police are still formulating who and why committed this crime.

[@clairebenjamin2238]

I am not sure if this witness is being completely honest. For example, was he nervous when he saw all the police at the Cul de sac? That is something you would remember, right? He also says too many times that he cannot remember things, not certain about that.

[@SSutton1958]

It's hard to remember things that happen on what one thinks is an ordinary day.

[@platosphaedo9097]

If one is uncertain, need to say don’t recall or do not remember. He is saying at times plausible which may be an okay answer. The defense attorney is trying to get him to say things he doesn’t remember.

[@Tinks82]

Pawel Gumienny*s eyes look evil, he looks mean, & very SUS! His whole story with going back and forth, to get his truck bc he really wanted to take his dirtbike back home but then, he just leaves it there! He's very suspicious & CRINGE!! I don't believe anything he says bc he can remember verbatim, conversations that make MT & FT look guilty but, can't remember important facts, which are much easier and more important to recall . I think he definitely had something to do with it & since FT can't contradict what he's selling, it's easier to throw MT under the bus instead of himself.