Best Orthotics For Flat Feet? WOW [$400 Custom Orthotics Worth It?]

[@DrTomBiernacki]

QUESTION: What ORTHOTICS worked best for YOU? We find people start best with soft then gradually upgrade to firm and SUPPORTIVE! 🦶Thanks for subscribing!🦶 Also let us know what topics you want to hear about! For the shoes and orthotics recommended in the video: wp.me/p9imRX-54n

[@kerry1111111]

I have custom inserts but my problem is they tend to slam my foot forward and my little toe rub's up against the other one causing another problem?????

[@freethebirds3578]

I tried the inexpensive soft orthotics; they didn't work for me. I went with more expensive ones from Spenco, and they worked ok. But they didn't last long; I'm not slender and the Spencos lost their shape in a short time. I was at a drugstore's "As Seen on TV" section and saw WalkFit orthotics. I was in enough pain to try them. They are much harder than cheaper ones, and had different inserts for the arch. But they are solid, so the arch and other curves won't flatten out with use. I used the highest arch and after a very short time getting used to them, the Plantar Fasciitis was not a problem anymore. I bought a 2nd pair of WalkFit and was always bought shoes that could have an orthotic in them. The sad part of the story is that WalkFit changed their product to something much softer and not suited to heavier people. I'm wondering if I need to go to one of the custom orthotic stores and spending hundreds on those, because the WalkFit insoles are at least 10 years old and I'm having problems with Plantar Fasciitis again.

[@irenerivera1655]

But what can i do my left is pronated then right is supinated so custom made is needed

[@stephensmith777]

I've tried multiple inserts and orthotics, but Foot Levelers has worked the best for me. Not 100% sure of the exact difference between the orthotics, but some were ridged, which were very uncomfortable and didn't work at all. Foot Levelers are flexible and very comfortable, but after 30 days of wearing them, they got rid of my knee pain I had been experiencing from a soccer injury for years. My knee pain was debilitating and was surprised it went away within a month. I've now been wearing Foot Levelers orthotics for over 6 years.

[@sautethis_chef]

Im a nurse Ive seen half dozen doctors for my sore feet. Not going to lie...I might drive to MI just to see this guy. Very educational best video on this subject!

[@limitedhangoutlive]

Dude my whole right leg is jacked from my flat ass feet. Help me!

[@bobby-igy6206]

I get that

[@BetterDays_Now]

Ikr ? Seriously

[@BetterDays_Now]

Did you get help

[@MD-zg6me]

Such good advice from this foot doctor. I can confirm from years of flat feet and ridged big toe joint and terrible pain. Best support and ease of pain was eventually from made to measure orthotics or insoles. Well worth taking time to get a good Podiatrist and take time to get used to the right insoles / orthotics for you. Also ankle / leg strap at night has been hugely beneficial.

[@adarshsoni7675]

From where I can buy the orthotics. Because of flat feet my big toe is overworking and I have pain underneath the big toe please help what to do

[@ADayInTheLifeofLori]

Best and most forthcoming video I’ve found about inserts/orthotics! Thank you!

[@larrylewis1099]

I have moved on to a custom orthotic. Sadly, my posterior tibial tendon is in at least three pieces. So it is orthotics, 1540 new balance sneaker, and a serious brace. My goal is to avoid the knife but we will see. I will go to Disney World next month just before my 76 birthday and I am not sure how it will go. I have been walking about 2.5 miles per day. I wish me luck. Thanks for your video.

[@devidiaz5801]

I was going to see a doctor for melalarsagia but I will follow your advice.Thank u doctor

[@Jason-zr6om]

My prescription orthotics are very comfortable. I was prescribed them for a combination of a bone spur from gout and osteoarthritis around the first metatarsal in my left foot. The overall very supportive of my feet and I plan on always having orthotics.

[@DrTomBiernacki]

You are a great fan, and we appreciate you! If possible, we would appreciate a quick review from you, and these make a HUGE difference for us! g.page/r/CaxJ9b-O6o27EAg/review Thanks again for watching!

[@glennandreasson6823]

I have plantar fasciitis caused by having flat feet. My doctor started me on an over the counter orthotic with dynamic arch support and that was a great start but only helped the situation a little. My Doctor then moved me to a custom orthotic with a solid arch and I love it. I am able to jog 10 miles and walk nearly 30 miles a week and my foot problems are over. Finding stability running shoes is easy. finding a boot with a flat footbed to put my orthotic or a dress shoe with stability features and a flat footbed is pretty difficult.

[@DrTomBiernacki]

Glenn, we appreciate you! I am happy to hear that you found your doctor that gives you attention and help that you deserve. You are correct in your experience that it is relatively easier to find running and walking shoes that could be modified to your needs. Boots and dress shoes usually are constructed more conservatively with arch support built-in as part of insole. This design standard makes removal of original insole with arch support very difficult and often leads to destruction of shoes itself. Hopefully, industrial shoemakers will notice the needs of people with flat feet and in near future will respond to demand by production of shoes with option for replacement and modification of insoles. If possible, we would appreciate a quick review from you; these make a HUGE difference to us! g.page/r/CZWo3fJqJrVpEBM/review Thanks again for watching! All the best to you Glenn!

[@SuprEmpth]

How long does your custom orthotic last? especially with all the running you do? Was it costly?

[@MaisondeLuis]

please explain to me. I have flat feet and the plantar fascia collapses when standing. The doctor prescribed arch insoles. But I feel that after a while, my feet are very painful, especially the plantar fascia when walking barefoot. How to solve this problem. Does anyone have a similar problem? Please give me more advice.

[@adarshsoni7675]

From where I can buy orthotics please help

[@drummertsprow]

Do you have a video or can you address the different methods of making custom orthotics? With the advanced technology is plaster molds being sent to a lab to make the custom insert still the best? What about 3D scanning/pressure mapping and 3D printing to construct the insert? What process is best?

[@novicetheaf]

I have to say that I'm in the same boat, I bought custom orthotics couldn't get used to them at first put them away and bought cheap ones and 3 years later I started to try the custom ones out again and low and behold I can wear the rigid ones running and hiking now! They help so much for hiking I wasn't able to hike before as my bunion would be so bad! But now I have hiked a good bit and it's great!

[@steffiparas5635]

Love how passionate and informative you are in your videos! A few years ago, I developed a navicular stress fracture. It healed, but I still experience tenderness in that area. Can you recommend a good orthotic for this type of injury?

[@JG-fg1ye]

It depends entirely on your foot morphology, generic orthoses are exactly that, one size fits non

[@heatherfraser2487]

My arches never developed as a child. Back in the day I had to wear awful shoes with "cookie pads" in them as arch supports. I remember getting my first pair of tennis shoes that could have supports. Many years latter my tendons hurt more then ever, my feet ache all the time, my knees are popping when I walk it just sucks. I have seen so much on the internet about arch supports building an arch. Use this arch support use that one. The one thing I have not seen addressed is people who has arches that never undeveloped. Always about people who's arches fell sometime during life. What is it like to have any kind of arch?

[@Demon09-_-]

No one every replied but this is pretty late. Most kids form there arches around 2-3 +- a few years. Are your feet totally flat or does the arch only fall once any weight is on it? If they fall when weight is on it then it's alot easier to try and support if it's an out and out flat foot you may not want to try and add to much arch

[@chilipepper0791]

I shared a few weeks ago maybe a month ago my orthotics which are made by Samurai called the Ninja. They immediately helped but over weeks of wearing them without doing any of the other ideas mentioned in these videos, I again I'm seeing that I still have pain. I still wear Nike's but need to find the shoe that is stiffer in the heel and bottom flexible in the toe. I still need the ankle brace, but most of all I need to shed about 20 lbs if not a little more. I appreciate these videos and I believe your honesty. Thanks for making them.

[@DrTomBiernacki]

Absolutely, I think that is the main point that the softer less corrective ones are a great initial choice to get used to, and for some people it is enough to fix their problem. But as most people get more sore, more stiff they usually need more!

[@DrTomBiernacki]

Hope you continue to feel better!

[@JoanKSX]

Actually I got custom-made one but my feet doesn't like them because it's so stiff. My feet and toes love unconscious self-stretching and move creatively LMAO I usually love moderate to thicker moderate cushion shoes with certain degree of flexibility, not stiff one and cushion on top (my custom-made one really upset my feet LOL)

[@santhoshsinghvee5464]

I was so confused abt the custom orthotic insoles that it will help me or not for my ankle issues .. Video help me to choose the right one 😊 Thank you dr 🙏

[@shronkler1994]

Heck yeah! Saving money is great! Have a great weekend!

[@DrTomBiernacki]

Awesome, thanks you are such a great fan!

[@Xballoway]

My feet have never felt as good as they did at the good feet store. I’m so scared to pull the trigger

[@timdwyer2718]

Wow first good video that describes my pain exactly inner knee , lower back, heel pain, all started after vacation and walking miles a day in casual shoes uuggghhhh

[@DrTomBiernacki]

We appreciate you watching! If possible, we would appreciate a quick rating (hopefully good), as it makes a HUGE difference! g.page/r/CSzlpzp7G82TEBM/review We are working hard every day to make better and more meaningful content! This is what keeps us going, for sure.

[@rabiguerrero]

Great video doc I greatly needed this. Happy new year

[@DrTomBiernacki]

Wow thank you so much for you amazing feedback and help growing our channel. Great fans like you are really what keeps us working hard and motivated to make better videos! Thanks again for watching!

[@lindaroy8148]

What are good exercises for increasing flexibility with flat feet? Right now I can’t even stand on my toes without holding on to something.

[@TheKansasfan1]

This is a good video. However, as a board certified Pedorthist, he is incorrect in saying that the “single unifying factor is flat feet”. 30-35 % of my cases are high arches which are way more difficult to treat and cannot effectively be treated with an off the shelf orthotic in most cases. A rigid flat foot is also difficult. Many times the $12.00 orthotic (almost impossible to find) are Made to last 30-60 days by the fabricators. When I have a patient who is on the cusp of whether to go custom or not, I always recommend the OTC bit a good OTC NOT a $20-30 one. I only recommend the less expensive for somebody that has no foot pain but just wants some support or cushioning. A flimsy orthotic is not an orthotic but just an insole. He is right, when there is minimal pathology, custom isn’t usually necessary. However, I refer to the different as a a pair of prescription glasses versus “readers” you would find at the drug store. I then leave it up to them to make that decision with no influence either way. I never play u less the patient absolutely needs custom. Most people will select a custom if budget allows and our fabrication techniques now allow for a lower cost custom product, not $400.

[@ardentlyfair7315]

$400??? Wow... I paid $600. Seriously. AND it was not nearly enough. I purchased adhesive felt to increase the arch. Makes a HUGE difference.

[@DrTomBiernacki]

So you wanted to pay more? 😁

[@ardentlyfair7315]

@@DrTomBiernacki Haha! Clearly, I should have just found your channel!! I just wanted to slow my midfoot collapse... and I lecture, so... I'm on my feet a lot, moving around up there. Lecturers who stand behind the podium are a bore. Just trying to limit the pain. Oi. Good channel!

[@jcm9356]

Excellent, educational video!

[@angelajames2924]

I went to a clinic a few months ago with ankle and foot pain. I was sent to an orthopedic doctor. He says I have posterior tibialis tendonitis. Presently he has me going to physical therapy. At times my foot feels a bit better but when doing my job, which is on my feet, my foot hurts really bad. Would it be better if I see a podiatrist?

[@Kaisersozze]

In Canada the standard price in my province is $600 for orthotics.

[@DrTomBiernacki]

I know green shield or other supplemental insurances can cover it there. A great custom orthotic can definitely be worth it!

[@Kaisersozze]

@@DrTomBiernacki I'm sure but then you're paying for supplemental insurance non of which has unlimited coverage, for example the insurance is $1000 per year with $200 max allowable for orthotics. Just wanted to make the point that they're expensive in Canada given salaries and current food and rent prices, I'm sure for some it's worth it.

[@TheLearningLounge]

Everything makes sense. Thank you so much.

[@DrTomBiernacki]

We really hope that you feel better and thanks for watching our video! We're sorry to hear about your problem and we really hope you feel better soon! Just remember to see your podiatrist in person if you are not feeling better in the future! Thanks for being a fan!

[@Aprilh03]

Which orthotics are best for protecting foot after a bunionectomy to maintain toe alignment and prevent further bunion

[@keithzastrow]

lol who is charging $400 for custom orthotics? I just had this done for $150. I'm in Michigan. I just found out that I have fallen arches and unfortunately I do not like the way regular or these custom insoles make my feet feel. They put pressure on and make my arch hurt. I'm off to finally see a foot and ankle surgeon tomorrow so hopefully I get a good plan going forward on what else to do.

[@alanfurlong-drummer4419]

A fantastic presentation thank you so very much.

[@stanggiant860]

It would be nice if those companies make them for larger shoe sizes then stoping at mens 14's. They would need go to 15, 16,17,+. Us with big feet are limited on what we can get.

[@1966johnnywayne]

Size 15+ shoe size correlates with tall, 6' 3"+, men, who make up less than 1% of the male population. Studies show that tall men earn significantly more money than short to average height males...use some of that extra money you make to get custom fitted orthotics, and stop complaining that companies don't mass produce items for a group that is less than 1% of the population.

[@stanggiant860]

@@1966johnnywayne try 6'11

[@1966johnnywayne]

@@stanggiant860 Ok, at 6' 11" you're a freakish anomaly...why would you think that any company is mass producing clothing/footwear to accommodate you, or the other 218 males in the US that are 6' 11" ?

[@Ke-qv3md]

Exactly how I feel. My quality of life is deteriorating. I have been living and take turmeric as an inflammatory. I weigh about 160 and get 5 to 13000 a day. I have orthodics and new shoes. But my feet still hurt, and it is hard to stand in one place. I am retired taking care of my mom.

[@DrTomBiernacki]

We really hope that you feel better and thanks for watching our video! We're sorry to hear about your problem and we really hope you feel better soon! Just remember to see your podiatrist in person if you are not feeling better in the future! Thanks for being a fan. If in the Michigan area consider coming to see us! www.michiganfootdoctors.com/

[@estherhidalgo9829]

I felt the same for 10 yrs till I was diagnosed with Small Fiber Neuropathy.

[@garykrause7965]

What if your pain or inflammation is from an impact injury?

[@alanfurlong-drummer4419]

Fantastic presentation thank you.

[@bensonfung3155]

I always have an issue that my custom orthotics make my soccer shoes very tight. It quite fit for all of my regular shoes. But it makes my soccer shoes very tight and easily make the shoes take off during kicking the ball because the heel is higher.

[@valzena]

Did you take out the insert that came with your soccer shoe first?

[@ndn8shn999]

Doctor. I have Morton’s neuroma. My question is do I wear orthotics(the type of orthotics with the bump in the middle of the orthotic)on each foot? It seems my Morton’s is improving but on my other foot I’m having heel pain. I believe due to the orthotic on the non issue foot. Thx!!!👍🏻

[@jayjosh8400]

Austeoarthrutis pain in knees .Suggestion for insoles pls

[@rogerwhiting9310]

My problem is the padding by the ball of my feet just goes flat in a very short time. I buy Walk Hero stiff inserts and they are great...for a few weeks before the foam collapses...and then pain. Do any of these actually hold up?

[@Ke-qv3md]

What is a good ankle brace. I bought a Futuro ankle stabilizer, but it did not help much. It felt like I could feel the brace on the bottom of my foot. I have a supportive shoes I want to find a good brace that sill help me. I have also have an X-stance insole which helps some. I did also try Powerstep Protech insoles which I hated

[@alisonburgess345]

Can an orthotic provide protection against a repeat ankle fracture? I'm desperate to avoid another ankle fracture - who should i ask? A podiatrist? Thanks guys!

[@jskweres2]

Which insert for hallux?

[@gregl2249]

Great information but you left out best high-arch orthopedic---it seems there are none as they all lose their shape

[@DrTomBiernacki]

What do you have in mind?

[@gregl2249]

I have high arches and even my orthotics only last 6 months at best--do you recommend the heavy duty you list here or the Super sole Carbon?

[@exiguous1]

reminds me of somebody i know talking with their hands

[@nikvret9544]

I am a runner with high arch, , whats the difference if my arch is supported or not when i run and my forefoot touches first the ground?

[@valerietoole1800]

I'm on my third pair of cusom orthotics none have been right don't fit my feet properly. Get pain from bunions and over pronation. Also have fat pad loss both feet. What would you suggest for fat pad loss. I'm feeling desperate now. Trying to find the best supportive shoe with lots of cushioning.

[@gabrieleamornim960]

Very good😇, thanks 🙏 and have a wonderful weekend 😘

[@DrTomBiernacki]

You too stay safe! Thanks for always commenting, we really really appreciate it!

[@CorvetteTrev]

I feel more confused. I feel like I have pretty "normal" feet. I'm a size 13M . I bought a new pair of merrell shoes. I really like them in general but this particular pair feels like it's giving me too much arch support, like a bump pushing up on my center bridge. I was thinking I should find something flat!? You're saying strong arch support is a good thing??

[@RorysonTV]

Have you considered recommending people lose weight instead of fixing it with expensive shoe inserts?

[@thomaskitchen3304]

I have a flat foot and have extreme knee pain.

[@DrTomBiernacki]

We really hope that you feel better, that is tough for sure! We really hope start to improve Just make sure to see a podiatrist or your primary care doctor in the future if your problem continues. We really, really appreciate you as a fan and than you for watching!

[@DrTomBiernacki]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/aJK7naF8i9J8j5o this can be a great educational video on bottom of the foot and flat foot pain!

[@dddd.111]

Dr how we can find easy those orthotics Factory or shops names or address Thank you

[@DrTomBiernacki]

www.michiganfootdoctors.com/podiatrist-recommended-shoes/ This guide might help!

[@DrTomBiernacki]

www.michiganfootdoctors.com/podiatrist-recommended-orthotics/ This is our orthotic guide.

[@redere9696]

What orthotic would be the best for some who is pronating at the subtalar joint but supinating at the forefoot?

[@clementine77]

Superfeet is the best for the money and just like customizable insoles without the 400% markup that doctor's charge. Start first with Superfeet and if then if that doesn't fix your foot pain, then go to a doctor and spend the big bucks on custom.

[@DrTomBiernacki]

Clementine, we appreciate you watching and contributing! Your comment, sharing personal experience, and tip are greatly appreciated. Let us know if we can cover any future topics for you. If possible, we would appreciate a quick rating (hopefully good), as it makes a HUGE difference! g.page/r/CSudMUZfg68sEAI/review We are working hard every day to make better and more meaningful content! This is what keeps us going.

[@sabby559]

Do you know of any place that can make shoes or insoles that have a cut out of where someone would have those lumps under their feet? My mom has this and it’s very difficult for her to find shoes w no arch cus the arches push up against her lumps making it painful to walk

[@DrTomBiernacki]

We appreciate you watching and contributing! I would recommend starting with a soft diabetic insole. Simply put some lipstick on the lumb or tender lesion and use a pair of scissors of knife to cut out a groove or hole in the area. geni.us/zgnc This is a link, should be low cost. If possible, we would appreciate a quick rating (hopefully good), and it makes a HUGE difference for us! g.page/r/CSzlpzp7G82TEBM/review We are working hard every day to make better and more meaningful content! This is what keeps us going for sure.

[@jayjosh8400]

Where do i buy these

[@lukabazon9626]

Should I wear orthotics for arch support in both shoes? I only have pain on one side so I'm not sure...

[@DrTomBiernacki]

I always do both personally, otherwise it eventually leads to asymmetry and further compensation and problems in other areas. But this depends on specific problems, always check with a doctor if worried about a medical problem.

[@lukabazon9626]

@@DrTomBiernacki I already have a leg length discrepancy of 1 cm, and have tendon irritation in the foot of the longer leg, which is why I'm wearing it. Since this insole does add a bit of height, even though its primarily for arch support, I will wear both to avoid further asymmetry as you explain. Thanks for answering, there's zero answers on this, I presume to be fairly common question, online, except for a few sellers who are only talking about their unique insoles. Perhaps creating a video about this would help more people find your channel. Just a suggestion, cheers.

[@CosmicGlowUP]

not all heros wear capes

[@Mariaabn37]

i have a question i really hope you can answer should i wait for my plantar fasciitis to heal to start wearing my custom orthotics? because they're really rigid under my heal and i'm scared they're gonna make my plantar fasciitis worse. but for my other healthy foot i got used to them and there's no problem or pin when i wear them.

[@estherhidalgo9829]

Hi Maria, I will recommend you to use them now. You need to do stretches for plantar fasciitis. I did 12 with a therapist. and then I continued. It have never come back. I used night splints and even bought a ultrasound machine, used a frozen water bottle for pain. I hope you feel better!

[@tommundheim6072]

What do you do for high arch and metatarsalgia and maybe some early arthritus?

[@DrTomBiernacki]

Generally an orthotic with forefoot offloading through a metatarsal pads may be a decent start. Specifically there would need to be details on age, how tight the legs, back and needs are as well as the goals of orthotics (ex pain at home or working 12 hours a day), there can be a lot that goes into a good orthotic design!

[@tommundheim6072]

@@DrTomBiernacki Thank you. I appreciate your comments.

[@janramos1162]

do you do virtual visits?

[@DrTomBiernacki]

We do but unfortunately we are.limited within the state of Michigan

[@mb3209]

Do you have any recommendations for custom molded orthotics that can be ordered online? I’ve had Rx and could get new Rx orthotics, but trying to save a little $$$

[@DrTomBiernacki]

We always like trying some of the over the counter ones first and see how they do!

[@Benjamin_wong2024]

5 Best Orthotics

[@estelamino6356]

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[@s33thr3w]

What do you think about custom orthotics made from a foam in box mold vs a plaster wrapped mold?

[@DrTomBiernacki]

Personally it has nothing to do with the shape of the arch in my opinion, there will still be a lot of unhappy people

[@DrTomBiernacki]

I see best results starting low cost with soft material or 3/4 length, then move up to more firm and more supportive

[@DrTomBiernacki]

Custom orthotics work great but only needed for specific conditions, and unfortunately that tough to determine online, especially if you can't modify them once or twice afterwards people will generally not be too happy I think.

[@victoriamensah2352]

I have flat feet’s and am desperate to buy this place am in Ghana we’re can l get this please because in Africa if you have flat feet people says you are bad luck so l don’t know how to talk about it please Dr help me please help 😭😭😭😭😭🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@JoanKSX]

Yea. I hate orthotics. But currently I'm having like 1st degree flat foot (fallen arch) and was diagnosed with tendonitis calcaneus talus. I used to wear Bata all way long (Dear Bata, please bring back the legendary Flexiology series!) and then I bought my shoes via online for the first time and gosh the shoes are so hard and built on very weirdly curve sole shape (I guess I bought counterfeit one?) and my feet at the arch medial side of ankle/feet feels like overworked and overstretched and tensioned and that muscle/tendon looks so bad, it swells! My physiotherapists suspect I'm heading to plantar fasciitis and all I got is tonnes of stretching exercise.

[@davec817]

why is there baked beans in the ankle model 😂

[@DrTomBiernacki]

😁 I will have to take a look!

[@haileynichelle8343]

So does the average healthy person NEED to get orthotics in order to prevent foot pain later in life?

[@NonzNanu]

overpronation nd the custom is useless!!the silcone 3/4 flat foot support the overpronataion better !

[@seiulifaleauto8726]

Hi doctor i suffer from over pronation, I have bursitis below the Achilles on both feet, my body is aching in all places facing in and down, im 110kg and enjoy jogging , I’m a 43 year old male living in Auckland NZ, im a size 12 us and 2E width and was looking for something durable and strong to handle my weight while exercising , i have seen some carbon fibre moulds and am willing to pay freight to nz but am looking for a professional opinion, please help.

[@gaylecheung3087]

$400 Paragon

[@Apollo_Blaze]

it is horrible what some people charge for these orthotics.

[@DrTomBiernacki]

Worst part is many of their "custom insoles" are more generic & less custom than over the counter versions from some of these pop up stores

[@weich1q2w]

The correct answer is none

[@LIFESaWONDER]

Again a doctor that focuses on something that does not work on the actual problem of the flat foot to begin with. Go see a someone that actually works on your feet, you will be surprised how foot manipulation and excersize help.

[@davidshelp7116]

I'm an old speech teacher. Put your hands down or at least only use 1 at a time. You have a lot of green back ground every item you show doesn't have to be in front of you face.

[@DrTomBiernacki]

It do it for focus and zoom purposes for an autofocusing camera lens

[@DrTomBiernacki]

Otherwise the lens blurs out the small anatomy, I don't have a camera crew doing it for me!

[@DrTomBiernacki]

But you are 100%, If I had more time I would shoot separate scenes of the anatomy to use as separate scenes, but I have to make these as fast as possible between kids and crazy work schedule!

[@johnacord6224]

Way to long to get to the point, you lost me