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[@AZisk]

For those that are still asking about Visual Studio Code being "dropped", check this out: ell.stackexchange.com/questions/163328/what-does-drop-mean-in-this-sentence and JOIN: youtube.com/@azisk/join

[@Br0adCastYourS3lf]

So Alex, are you part of the Hip-Hop scene?

[@AZisk]

@@Br0adCastYourS3lf i’ll be dropping an album soon

[@Br0adCastYourS3lf]

@@AZisk Can't wait to hear it. Drop it like it's hot. Apologies for the late response. But a rare internet outage occurred at my ISP right after commenting.

[@handsanitizer2457]

Rider is definitely it's successor. It's much faster and works flawlessly. So vs isn't even needed, I never us vs since I've downloaded rider. Even though it was meant more for cpp and unreal

[@t6hp]

Wait, this is so confusing. I've heard many CEOs say they're "dropping" something, as in, they're going to stop supporting it. So dropping means both introducing AND ending something? FFS, use more words to express different things people.

[@troyroa7768]

Visual Studio's relationship with Visual Studio Code is like Java's relationship with JavaScript

[@RandyHanley]

very well-said.

[@entx8491]

How?

[@troyroa7768]

@@RandyHanley thanks!

[@troyroa7768]

@@entx8491 the pair have similar names but not actually the same or one.

[@chiefdenis]

@@entx8491 they absolutely have nothing to do with each other, other than sharing some words in their names

[@stefanmilicevic5322]

I sometimes wonder if the teams at Microsoft, who developed Visual Studio and Visual Studio Code, revel in the joy of knowing that the linguistic ambiguity of those products will continue to confuse people till the end of time. I take a hard guess and say yes.

[@Lucas-ys7qq]

More than likely, some exec came up with the name, leaving the devs cynically laughing at the confusing result

[@fenderjazzbrian]

Of course it was Xamarin, as a separate company, that “invented” Xamarin Studio, which was rebranded as VS for Mac after the acquisition.

[@MrSparc]

Visual Studio Code developers was an entire Microsoft team mainly from Europe that started as a lightweight code editor using Electron while Visual Studio has a large multidisciplinary teams (C++, .NET, etc) mainly from USA using a code base with years of development. The name was just a way to associate both projects under the umbrella of MS development tools.

[@vikingthedude]

So is Visual Studio not for coding?

[@GmanGavin1]

@@vikingthedude Nah, it's for developing ;)

[@OneTakeSunday]

I might be the only person who liked Visual Studio for Mac. I was hoping one day it would catch up to full functionality of MS VS. Every major release got a little better. Kinda bummed about this!

[@imtotallyjustin]

I use it too. It's not brilliant, and I hope this makes way for a mac version that mirrors the windows version. Should that not be the case, I'm not sure what I'll do. I don't want the hassle of having to run a VM, and I'm not familiar with Rider

[@EugenioDeHoyos]

@@imtotallyjustin Rider is great, I use it all the time, granted I come from an IntelliJ background. I'm concerned too because every once in a while I still have to boot up VS for Mac for one reason or another.

[@atomsbaza2]

me too!

[@imtotallyjustin]

@@EugenioDeHoyos yeah I’ve tried it a couple of times but always end up switching back because I can’t find a particular thing or some functionality is different

[@xglock]

I am also big fan of Rider mainly because its compatible with Visual Studio projects and its also capable of using it in teamwork where both IDEs are present.

[@MafJora]

Visual Studio was one of the reasons why I loved C# so much.

[@SeanPoulter]

Before the C# Dev Kit was released for VS Code, the only way to get better refactoring tools on a Mac was to reach for VS for Mac. Oof. It didn't have other necessary features like shows test results updating as you work. 🤦 You need Windows and Visual Studio to get the developer experience you want.

[@karlosdaniel6537]

@@SeanPoulter Rider by JetBrains is pretty good too.

[@th0bse_]

???? Visual Studio is a fkn atrocity... Crashing, resource hogging, buggy, EVERYTHING is hidden behind some shit GUI, Like, just show me the build configuration I don't want your dumb text fields and check boxes.

[@PinakiGupta82Appu]

Visual Studio is an IDE with the Microsoft C/C++/MASM compiler. VSCode is a text editor. The MS compiler without the IDE can be installed separately, it's called the Microsoft Platform SDK at the moment. In the past, MS distributed the compiler-only version of Visual Studio as Microsoft Windows Build Tools. VSCode is an Electron JS app. Whereas, Visual Studio is mostly written in C, .NET, Windows SDK, and partly C++/ MFC, as far as I'm aware. EDIT: The names look somewhat similar.

[@stickguy9109]

Basically we're talking an actual IDE vs fancy notepad

[@GmanGavin1]

@@stickguy9109More like a full IDE to a partial one. I understand maybe calling syntax highlighting fancy but vs Code has way too many features to say "fancy text editor". Way beyond notepad++

[@GmanGavin1]

I knew about Microsoft built tools but not "Microsoft Platform SDK" I'll look into it and see what I find. I know that even if you have clang installed, it'll use msvc for certain things like standard library and linker I think.

[@Neme112]

Visual Studio is mostly written in C#, definitely not C. The whole UI is WPF.

[@kreuner11]

It's not just a code editor, it's a generic IDE

[@marna_li]

The new C# Dev Kit Extension for VS Code is meant to bring a complete C# dev environment, and it does a descent job. You can view solutions and do other stuff in a way similar to the traditional IDEs.

[@xybersurfer]

thanks for sharing that

[@hardi.stones]

The people who say "why use VS 2022 when there is VS Code" is the very people who don't use THE Visual Studio. Gen Z I suppose? My first VS was VS 6.

[@henson2k]

My first was Visual Studio C++ 1.5

[@timtaler6621]

I'm still an early-stage developer and appreciate the step-by-step mechanics of vs_code. That way I can explore each tool on its own and get familiar with its functions instead of navigating through an "overloaded" IDE. But I guess one day that will change and I will use the "ultimate toolset in the big old plastic suitcase".

[@hydrolifetech7911]

Same here

[@juniorjunior8494]

Visual studio isn't the ultimate toolset in my view, I actually started there for its integrated convenience, and then as i gained more experience, I realized that it's powerful if you're focused on windows/C# development. I had to switch to VS Code for hardware development, and since then I have come to appreciate Vs Code's strength, which is flexibility and speed.

[@projectTBH]

same bro

[@hamza-m]

Does this mean Visual Studio 2022 (or a future release) will be available for Mac? Or has Microsoft just admitted defeat for that demographic to Rider?

[@HuntingKingYT]

I assume 2nd option

[@imtotallyjustin]

@@HuntingKingYTdamn

[@DizmusT]

They want you to use VS code

[@hamza-m]

@@DizmusT so replace an IDE with a text editor (with some nice plugins)? Can’t see that going down well. Don’t get me wrong, I use VS code a lot, but as soon as I’m working on something substantial I’ll be wanting an IDE. Personally I swapped Visual Studio for Mac with Rider quite a long time ago but I can’t see many devs picking VS Code over Rider if you needed an IDE before.

[@mattbosley3531]

Apparently you weren't paying attention. It is now legal to run Windows 11 ARM in Parallels on a Mac, and there is also an ARM version of Visual Studio as Alex stated. So Visual Studio 2022 is already available on a Mac, but you have to use Parallels and Windows 11 for ARM. Or you could use an older x86-64 Mac and run Windows 10 or 11 in Parallels or Windows 10 or 11 in free VMWare Fusion Player.

[@dmitrymatora442]

I don’t use Microsoft products and often I have no idea what this guy is talking about, but I LOVE watching his videos, I often ask myself why :)

[@AZisk]

maybe you like to learn :) and my silly jokes :)

[@mitkram99]

@@AZisk Now you have a poor linux fanboy hater. Lol!

[@mudi2000a]

If you never tried VS Code then you clearly missed something. I personally use a mix of VS code and IntelliJ ultimate.

[@mytho2630]

My problem with Visual Studio is speed. It takes a long time to start, long to build, and seems to stagger along for most of the projects I've worked with. VSC is much faster, and I only install the extensions I actually need. I've managed to learn a keyboard shortcut for pretty much everything, and its difficult to move away from that. My main use cases for VS are windows forms (yes, it still exists) and MAUI Blazor Hybrids.

[@justadude8716]

I'm actually developing a new application with WinForms, granted it's guaranteed to run on specialized PCa for the next 10 years, but still it's amazing how it's still around.

[@RexTorres]

Most IDEs have that problem. Android Studio and XCode are slow as hell, too, and they gobble up computer resources like there's no tomorrow. VC Code, being a lightweight *_text editor_* should, of course, be faster than any full-fledged IDE.

[@soho737]

@@justadude8716Also still developing new business applications in WinForms - while WPF, WinUI, MAUI came and went, WinForms will never die out. And for someone putting down 500 grand for an application that’s a relevant factor. And accountants don’t care about the looks, only about efficiency

[@flaguser4196]

this is why I still use VS2019 for c#. all that AI stuff I didn't ask for in VS2022 is just making the editor lag behind my keystrokes. for javascript, I use VSCode. it's not as lightweight as notepad++, but the ~20x ram usage is worth it.

[@MostafaAhmedAhmed81]

The main drawback of Visual Studio 2022+ is that you need Windows to run it. And yes this is a drawback for me. .NET is not Windows-only anymore. We hosted our .NET backend on a Linux server for years now. So developing it out of Windows is essential. We make sure that what we develop does not depend on something in Windows. Plus I don’t have to pay all that money to rund Windows cohesively within macOS. This is why I still prefer VS Code for everything, except iOS development; and I pick up just what I need.

[@mairhart]

I don't quite get how MAUI is truly multiplatform when Microsoft will only support Windows IDEs. Yeah, you can run VS in Parallels, but that doesn't seem legit cross-platform to me. I'm more likely to trust JetBrains tools, if Microsoft is going to play these old OS games again.

[@cenewton3221]

@@mairhart They always play the OS/browser games in cycles it seems. For a year or two they're all "kumbaya" then suddenly they swing back into '90s mode & try to squeeze out competition, pushing the boundaries of law.

[@lawrencedoliveiro9104]

Nobody uses Dotnet for anything important. Even Microsoft will not use it in flagship software like -Office- 365.

[@joelv4495]

@@lawrencedoliveiro9104 surely you're joking, right? Right???

[@lawrencedoliveiro9104]

@@joelv4495 It’s a fact.

[@CamdenBloke]

This reminds me of when I was about to graduate with an actuarial science degree, and some people advised me to learn Visual Basic. So I got a library book on the topic and was learning along - I knew BASIC from using it on an apple //e as a kid, but had never used it in a context where I could operate a GUI (all of my programming experience had been strictly via text interfaces). I couldn't work out what it had to do with Actuarial Science, though. After I got rather far along, I finally worked out that I was supposed to be learning Visual Basic as a scripting language for Excel, which was completely different from what I had been teaching myself.

[@ericy91745]

If MAUI is as great as what MS claimed to be on cross platforms development, then their Visual Studio 2022/23 should build completely in MAUI. So VS for Mac can still live on

[@kreuner11]

Microsoft doesn't have the resources to rewrite anything from scratch, not even redo paint right with layers and transparency

[@ihopethiscommentisntabusiv4670]

I never met a single person who confused Visual Studio with VS Code

[@AZisk]

try running a youtube channel with comments on :)

[@mattxnyce]

@@AZisk tru

[@emaayan]

does Visual Studio 2022 have C/C++ refactoring and integartion with ESP-IDF?

[@a4andrei]

VS Code is fine, it's a basic code editor which can be endlessly configured and extended. It has an extension store, and you'll find pretty much anything in there. My biggest gripe with it, is consistency. I much prefer to use an IDE that's purpose-built for something, and excels at that. As such, I mostly use Intellij Ultimate, for both Java and Typescript/angular. Some of my colleagues have ditched VS Code for Intellij. Of course, Intellij is much heavier on the CPU and memory, but it's a big boy tool, and does everything better. Except when it slows down to a crawl 😂.

[@g9icy]

What are they replacing it with? I've just started using VS4Mac for MAUI app development. I don't particularly want to use VS in a VM or remote into my windows PC. I can't stand JS based app development. A bit stuck now.

[@5mintoheaven871]

so what code editor we gonna use as I have m1 macbook

[@phantastik3389]

I use Visual Studio to create MVC applications and when i want to practice an algorithm. When I want to create an api, I use VScode. One window open for Angular, another for c# code.

[@belgarathlesorcier8385]

But sometimes a specific function doesn't exists or an infuriating choice was made for Visual Studio. But the culture of vscode around extension makes that you will most likely find an extension fixing your problem, while it's not often the case with Visual Studio. It's like if the big crate of tools include a broken one or is missing a specific screwdriver for an exotic end bit, you can have it if you build your own toolset

[@nezu_cc]

I once had a "friend" that tried to tell me that one of the jetbrains IDEs for lua was better than vscode. So I'm like, ok find me a feature that you have that vscode (with proper extensions) doesn't. Not only did he not find anything meaningful, but at the end he told me about the many half broken features that his IDE had and I just showed him one by one every single one of them working perfectly in vscode.

[@LukeBarousse]

Alex, I've always been confused; What's the difference between Visual Studio vs VS Code? Please answer ASAP, sir 🙏🏼

[@AZisk]

🤦‍♂️ Luke!!!! Just watch this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hGTOpnirltqKrJY

[@LukeBarousse]

@@AZisk 🤣🤣🤣

[@arozendojr]

Regarding NativeScript + Angular, do you have any repository where the Angular application is located on the web and the client loads the application via a URL, enjoying the benefits of NativeScript?

[@tonypitman5648]

I would love to run visual studio 2022 in parallels on my M1 Max MacBook Pro…in fact I did the other day. I do mobile development. The main reason I bought a Mac back in the day was to do xamarin for iOS. So the main reason I have been a fan of visual studio 2022 for Mac is because of what happened the other day. I loaded up parallels with windows 11 for arm, installed visual studio 2022 enterprise because the company I work for bought me a license. I then loaded up my latest xamarin project for android / iOS and worked on it a little bit. I noticed 2 things right away: first, it wasn’t very fast. Things ran slowly. Windows moved slowly. It took longer to build than visual studio 2022 for Mac. The second is that I heard something I hardly every here on my M1 Max Mac….the fan was going full blast. Nuf said…

[@renouxmarais3333]

What is your IDE of choice? As a beginner i enjoy vscode. I am a mac user though. So which IDE would you suggest to use (beginner friendly)?

[@alienespinel]

Vim

[@renouxmarais3333]

@@alienespinel dude, VIM is not beginner friendly…

[@pqsk]

@@renouxmarais3333I’m not a fan of vim, but back in the day when the options were limited, vim was used by beginners too. Don’t be scared. I find so many junior devs are scared of any tool that doesn’t write the code for them. 😆

[@whoisalisson]

.NET development? Rider or vscode with dev kit

[@alienespinel]

@@renouxmarais3333 and you're not sarcasm friendly ig, sorry to waste your time 😂😂

[@djdunods]

What macos u are using ? Any thought on sonoma ?

[@deangrande7002]

i’m glad you did this video. i was wondering what i was missing out on since ditching Vs for vscode, five years ago. code has been ticking all the boxes… but i can now see that some performance tools are missing

[@stuartgreen5631]

I wish the Visual Foxpo interface had become a VGER. The command window. Thank you. The data browser. The desktop where you could throw graphics, text. I ran PerI from Foxpro and had it show up in Foxpro. just liked the design of the barebones interface. The command window, the active desktop, and the browser. I just want that basic interface but evolved with lots of new guts.

[@mujtabaalam5907]

4:31 can you get all of those features via VS code extensions?

[@OM-bs7of]

Visual Studio = IDE , Visual Studio Code = Text Editor

[@stefanotarlon5072]

I sai you use Parallels 19 in MacBook Pro M chipsets. This solution drains battere lire of Mac?

[@duality4y]

everything integrated into one environment == 90GB of disk space or more.

[@JosephFallon]

When your say MS "also drops Visual Studio Code" at 1:26 did you mean "delivers a new version'' or " plans to stop supporting" ?

[@AZisk]

delivered

[@DizmusT]

I wonder whether it is possible to use iOS simulator and Android Emulator running on iOS from Visual Studio running on Windows in Parallels. Does anyone know?

[@AZisk]

you have to connect to a remote mac to do ios

[@An-Orange-Fox]

Why , its a great product. VS-Code doesnt have the same feature set.

[@AZisk]

it was a great product 10 years ago

[@An-Orange-Fox]

@@AZisk it was my first IDE , I remember building my first project on it. Good times :'(

[@HaseebHeaven]

Its simple Coding editor vs IDE everyone knows the difference between them dont make it too hard to explain this 😅. VS 2022 is fully integrated development kit, while VSCode is just a code editor basic one without code running or debugging capabilities unless you add extensions its that simple.😊

[@MailsonWei]

Thank you for making this video, I’m a junior developer. Usually my boss (non tech guy) won’t trust what I said or explain. So this video help me out

[@Geryf]

I’m confused, I understanding that vsCode is just a text editor and visual studios is a heavy duty IDE. But what really is the difference if you plan to use a text editor + dozens of command line tools? What makes visual studios any different? I don’t mean this as a rhetorical question, I don’t understand. Editing text is just one portion is creating applications.

[@davidadesina3321]

So how large is visual studio in space. How many gigabytes is the entire download

[@bitwisedevs469]

Does .NET SDK for macOS will no longer get support in the future as well or only the IDE?

[@hemants1703]

You mean to say, Visual Studio Code: It can have extensions to make you feel that it just works... Visual Studio: It comes with language specific features with every "language-feature" based features built-in and actually just works...

[@flexairz]

Same here: also a geek using VSCode on Windows, Mac & Linux. Love it!

[@Space.]

VSCode is basically chrome with built-in Chrome extension store

[@guidewired]

any timelines on VS 2022 working natively on mac? Just poking around with Code but I have really grown to love VS on windows. I really love all the quick refactoring.

[@Stnkybo]

What’s the difference between vsCode and Visual studio?

[@AZisk]

Here’s a video to explain: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hGTOpnirltqKrJY

[@oterotube13]

I ll be happy when finally vscode allows detach script window from the main program and use it in the other monitor.

[@pubudusenarathne]

So what will be the future of Visual Studio with a MacBook? There won’t be any native support for a Visual Studio to run on a Mac? I recently bought a mac hoping Visual Studio for Mac would grow to the full fledged VS 2022 version. Now they drop it, any comments on it’s future? Do we have to run the windows version on parallels from now on?

[@AZisk]

yes, either windows version via parallels, or vscode with extensions

[@pubudusenarathne]

@@AZisk thanks alot for replying man 👍🏻too bad this happened 😐

[@rudymoralesjr]

We do call every soda here in Texas "cokes"...you just reenacted what happens at a Texas restaurant.

[@AZisk]

haha.

[@grahamjl766]

It's a south/southeastern thing. FL and GA do too b/c Coke is based out of Atlanta, and they have a generic trademark or proprietary eponym. Like how Google can mean ALL search engines in general.

[@mandardesai3841]

how can run mobile app based on maui/ Xamarin in visual studio code. In future can we see video demonstration from you.

[@Kinos141]

I had the hardest time with python because there wasn't a great IDE for it until VScode extensions. There's an ext pack that's absolutely amazing and it's free. Can't remember the name, though.

[@roge530]

excellent video, I feel the same way as you do, all web development for I made it with VS Code on Mac, all .Net I use Remote desktop then I connect to desktop with the Mac. Sometimes when other developers ask me why I do that I tend to extend to a 15 minutos explanation about IDEs and Text Editors 😅

[@bdaunt]

Can you cite the reference that states Visual Studio Code has been dropped?

[@AZisk]

code.visualstudio.com/updates/v1_82 this was when Visual Studio Code “dropped”

[@wertigon]

Main reason I use code over VS proper: It supports all the languages and programming environments out of box, and does so very, very well. While there are language specific IDEs that perform better in some instances, like CLion for hardware C code and VS for .NET, I just don't want to learn a new editor that behaves just slightly different enough for me to be annoyed by it. Shortcuts are not the same, my macros are not set up the same, et cetera. When you are working with a dozen languages over a multitude of development tools, C99 one day, C++17 another, Rust a third day, JavaScript / React or Node.js next week, all according to the client... Not requiring the runway to learn a new IDE to be just as productive as the big bois is incredible. VS Code is not perfect, but it is good enough that I can get to 95%+ productivity regardless. :)

[@user-dc9zo7ek5j]

To ones who are curious why they just don't port VS to other platforms, it is not because they don't want market share, but because they have made the editor in C++ which often relies on system libraries, which are different on every OS. Regarding VSCode, I think that it was a massive misunderstanding with the name, in linux it's just named "code", but "code" is a pretty unsearchable name, so they add the VS in front. Fun fact, there is nothing visual in VSCode, while VS offered programmers a visual representation of their GUI programs instead of forcing them to start their programs each time to see the result, it was (still is but isn't used) a simple way to design desktop and web program by just dragging the elements on the screen.

[@stickguy9109]

Why isn't it used though

[@user-dc9zo7ek5j]

@@stickguy9109 Because visual editors lack flexibility. Editing manually the GUI code results in something that the visual editor cannot display or edit, resulting in displaying something which is wrong, and because it has some logic on how to save the elements on the screen, it can remove your code. That's why the visual element is used only when you do simple desktop programs and not for programs that need to be displayed on different resolutions and aspect ratios. Back in the day, the designs were simple, but as time went on, a different approach was needed. With "hot reload", programmers just save their changes while the program is running and their GUI is updated.

[@lawrencedoliveiro9104]

Strange, isn’t it, that other developers, particularly open-source ones, know how to write cross-platform code in C++ and other languages, but Microsoft can’t figure it out.

[@user-dc9zo7ek5j]

@@lawrencedoliveiro9104 It's not really about that, it is about having a big azz program with lines of code reaching the millions, which makes the port harder than it should be. There was something else that I did not mention and that is, the file system and window managers which communicate differently on different OSes, making it even harder to port.

[@lawrencedoliveiro9104]

@@user-dc9zo7ek5j The Linux kernel is over 20 million lines of code and counting. That has been ported to about two dozen different major processor architectures. No proprietary software product can match that. That’s the biggest, but there are others. E.g. Blender at about 1.5 million lines.

[@esra_erimez]

By the way, I use JetBrains.

[@F.ELEVEN]

For Unity Devs what was the Visual Studio for Mac missing? They appear to be the same, but never used the Mac version :(

[@FergJoe]

If you’re a Unity dev on Mac (or PC honestly), you should be using Rider - its Unity tools are integrated and quite a bit ahead of VS.

[@F.ELEVEN]

@@FergJoe isn't it paid tho? I don't feel any feature missing from VS on Windows, it was a big improvement over monodevelop tho! Can you name any advantages of Rider?

[@jaa928]

I'm not using Unity, but I've been slogging through VS on Mac. One missing feature I actually wanted was a Resource editor for localizing text. You can do it manually, but it is unnecessarily complicated and prone to mistakes.

[@F.ELEVEN]

@@jaa928 I see... that seems more technical stuff. Thx for the feedback!

[@MrBabadude]

What mic do you use? Your sound is next level.

[@FrancescoVarrato]

Many PhD students and researchers use VScode for its simplicity, integrations and multiplatform nature. And yes , I am one of that weirdos loving pain, as I used Kate on Linux for my Cython programming 🤓

[@bisarothub1644]

I use visual studio for mac for dotnet while vscode on angular, php and some mobile dev stuff. I wish microsoft will add create new component on angular and typescript code gen similar to nswag studio on their next visual studio release. Also, i wish microsoft adds an option to compile dotnet separately with angular on their dotnet - angular template, similar when running vscode wherein you type dotnet run and ng serve.

[@christiana7743]

In my uni's course we need to create a platformer game on C++ using Visual Studio. I have a macbook pro mid 2012 that runs Monterrey through an open core patcher. After downloading Visual Studio for Mac, I found that it is totally different from Visual Studio for windows. I have no clue how to work on that any ideas? (Virtual Machine is painfully slow and almost destroyed my pc so that's not an option unfortunatelly)

[@alexeiz]

So you say using VSCode to build code as text is as painful as using Vim. Then what do you say to those who install Vim extension for VSCode? Are they like "pain masters?"

[@AZisk]

Main pastors indeed

[@botondbertalan4992]

It was a very short silence for the Visual Studio for Mac at the end. 😂

[@Tronetti9]

What do you think about JetBrain IDEs?

[@karmatraining]

I use VS Mac when I absolutely have to, but other than that I spend 99% of my time in Jetbrains RIDER, a greatly superior cross-platform IDE that runs like a dream on macOS.

[@steamerSama]

I loved VS for mac. I still use it for game development. Sad to see it go.

[@TagetesAlkesta]

1:32 the fact that VS Code is “lightweight” compared to the beast that is proper Visual Studio is pretty funny to me

[@yasscat5484]

the difference is simple: Visual Studio is the best IDE while vs code is the best text editor

[@VVesson]

VSCode still does not support iPadOS, since it's built on electron

[@JarppaGuru]

0:19 i try it once too. it did not make mac app using same all code we know LOL just default install and it did not do sample. whaaaat?

[@grandadmiralthrawn66]

We were all using Rider on Mac anyway.

[@g9icy]

I refuse to pay a monthly subscription for an IDE, when I get like 3 hours a month to work on a side project.

[@mokeev1995]

@@g9icy then just use vs code, or buy subscription for a year or more and you’ll get lifetime license for the product you’ve bought

[@smileykot2834]

So what is the difference between VSCode and Visual Studio?

[@DocuFlow]

I was just getting used to VS Mac, because for my solutions, it is was faster at the build/run/debug cycle than VS Win on Parallels or VW Win on my Ryzen 9 64GB Windows 11 machine. I hope they don't can VS Win for ARM, since this is the version Parallels uses. I can't go back to VS in Intel Jerry, I can't!

[@davidb3925]

As a C#/ Angular dev I use both. I swear that the Visual Studio developers must be really pissed off that they aren't allowed to add the editor functionality that is in VS Code. Like easy code reformatting as well as linting which is so temperamental.

[@marcianoacuerda]

Nice video! And Microsoft has a thing with naming stuff, the Xbox naming has been crazy since Xbox one

[@deshawnwilliams338]

I accidentally downloaded visual studio instead of vs code on an old windows computer and it crashed the computer.

[@cbbcbb6803]

What if vs code (and also vscodium) extensions could be nested? So to add php or python or any other, you could just install one specific extension that would bring in all of the other extensions you need to program in rust if rust is the language you want to work with currently. Or something like a super extension for JavaScript to install a reasonable set of extensions for JavaScript. Same thing, can I say it, yes I can, for Cobol.

[@garrysingh4484]

When Microsoft releasing the "Retail" Windows 11 Arm64 ??? (I know - Not talking about Parallel)

[@wclifton968gameplaystutorials]

theres no retail ARM processors on the market, so no need for a retail Windows on Arm release, I am of course ignoring the Ampere Computing "Ampere Ultra" but that is just one product amongst a wrath of Arm SoCs which needs to be invididually ported to else there will likely be missing features...

[@jeffjolley6684]

I don’t see any news where Microsoft drops support for VS Code, and there is no retirement statement for VS Code. What do you mean “Microsoft also drops Visual Studio Code”??

[@AZisk]

the kind of dropped as in "the airlift dropped food into the camp"

[@LotsOfFunyoutubechannel]

My experience Visual studio code did NOT need half of my ssd just for and 100% of my ram Visual Studio did not give me inferior debugger and didn't break when making more than 1000 lines of code and multiple files

[@pookiepats]

"sure what kind?" "pepsi" lol

[@StringBard]

Sorry to ask a maybe stupid question but I'm confused. If I wanted to develop a multi platform GUI app in an Apple Silicon Mac in a compiled language (like c++) and not interpreted (like javascript with Electron) what should be the best workflow to follow? Possibly without paying a pricy IDE like Jetbrains (I mean it would be okay to pay, but I don't like monthly payments).

[@OCTAGRAM]

Embarcadero RAD Studio in Windows VM. If you don't mind your users hating you, you can also consider RemObjects Fire. They are able to target platforms natively, but whatever platform they target, they add unsolicited garbage collector to your otherwise good programs.

[@GabeszJuhasz]

Hey, could you explain me, what the difference is between Visual Studio and Visual Studio Code? (just kiddin'.. 😅)

[@AZisk]

oooh, you got me. :)

[@Arun_Kumar_UK]

It’s been a while since I used VS (maybe VS 2013) and I remember it to be a resource hog. I can only run two of the three among VS, Outlook and Office apps. How is VS these days (VS 2022) with resource consumption? Resource use is the main reason I moved to Atom -> Sublime -> VSCode. Plus I don’t do dotnet anymore I guess.

[@bhanuprakashrao1460]

You are comparing IDE with Text editors. IDEs like Android studio, Xcode, VS consume lot of resources and need top end systems to work smoothly. Whereas Atom, VS Code are simple, light weight text editors

[@linux_master_race]

Here's another reason to use Visual Studio vs VS Code: One of the two is a web browser acting as a text editor with a bunch of javascript helping it to pretend to be an IDE and the other is an actual IDE written in a real programming language. Also I'm glad VS for Mac is dead, it sucked.

[@Ianis58]

I know right? Native apps or desktop apps have always felt much more robust than web apps (and vscode, atom, discord, etc are just apps based on the electron framework which is a way to make a web app look like a desktop app).

[@davidlean8674]

Thank god, I thought from the title they were killing VS 2022 & forcing us all to VS Code. Starting a new project in VS, just brings me joy. It is one of my favourite applications. The only disappointment is they no longer make an add-in for developing powershell.

[@calahad]

So VS Code for Mac is fine, right? Right?! (I just started learning, I don't want to change the platform)

[@adrianorocha-dev]

Visual Studio Code vs Visual Studio is like JavaScript vs Java

[@markbennett1237]

At work, I primarily program in C#. I use Visual Studio 2022 mostly, but also use VS Code if writing some code on Linux since Visual Studio 2022 doesn't run on Linux. Apparently though, you can now develop Linux application on Windows using Visual Studio 2022 through Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL), but I have not tried that yet. I prefer using Visual Studio 2022 over VS Code. VS Code doesn't have as many features and is still a bit buggy... or more likely it's the extensions that are buggy. Since I am writing portable code, I can develop on Windows, then use VS Code later to compile it on Linux.

[@natieklopper]

Visual Studio Code also in trouble. Jetbrains Fleet is absolutely FANTASTIC!!!

[@MrSamPhoenix]

They should’ve just developed Visual Studio for Mac in its entirety.

[@adaml.5355]

No need to cater to an irrelevant platform.

[@SlackyMr]

I think the analogy of VS Code being a Swiss army knife is well chosen. I run a virtualization with multiple different OS and versions. Since VS Code is cross-platform, it feels nice to have the very same "fancy" code editor with the same settings on each platform without the need to install different applications and trying to remember all the keyboard shortcuts and menu item locations. VS Code is quite powerful and the WSL integration is a big plus and it gets the job done. Yet, sometimes you need to bring out the big guns to handle big and complex projects, here MS Studio shines with all the integrated tools. Having MS Studio availble for Linux would be awsome :)

[@robchr]

Microsoft IDE marketing is like the Apple of consumer device marketing.

[@eduardoserrano2015]

I love your sense of humor 😹

[@jongeduard]

Ok, this is really interesting. I am not really familiair with the Mac version myself, though I knew that it was ported from something else, something related to Mono or Xamarin. However, I am also quite sure that I have seen people suggesting that this version was actually going to be the future version and that it would eventually replace the version for Windows. So that was kind of still in my mind. But apparantly the opposite is happening! Does anyone know if the direct next VS version will be based on Modern DotNet instead of DotNet Framework? I really like to know this because that is going affect legacy tooling. Certain non portable things are going to loose support. I am close to sure about that.

[@dlake89]

I never like visual studio for mac, but with them porting VS to 64 bit and MAUI coming to life I could only hope we will get the full VS for mac :)

[@angrysob7962]

OK...the "coke/pepsi" bit made me LoL. Great video, as per usual.

[@balazs199506]

Am I just feeling that Apple is very behind in providing options for backend developers, ranging from a visual studio alternative IDE to a decent GPU performance (or at least an eGPU option)? This move by Windows is one less reason to buy a Mac as a developer. Sure there is the parallel but you can buy a Dell XPS cheaper with that much power.

[@edborowski5950]

I was WAITING for this video after I saw this news!!! Let's hope you don't disappoint Alex :).

[@kevenCodes]

Same! I literally came to this video to say the same thing 😂 I knew Alex was going to cover it.

[@andrewcrook6444]

Studio also has all the reporting functionality that you can build into C# applications.