Microsoft Flight Simulator - Comments from 3rd Party Devs

[@Xenthera]

Xplane: we're a modern flight simulator with realistic flight dynamics! PMDG: Xplane: our simulator is only getting better with graphical improvements to make it beautiful and functional PMDG: Xplane: we're 64-bit and very performent! PMDG: Microsoft: WE'RE RELEASING A NEW FLIGHT SIM FOR PC AND XBOX PMDG: *I GUESS WE'LL JUST HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE*

[@miniena7774]

Bobby Everette You’re not funny.

[@Incidental104]

I think PMDG is still butthurt over they didn't get licence for fsx

[@teftaofficial7590]

butthurt*

[@Doofer911]

Interesting thought. I can understand their point of view if Microsoft wanted to have the right to recover their work and anything that's been added to it. If I was a manager, I wouldn't put my team's work under that risk if the result we were working towards risked being taken away for someone else to take all the credit and glory for it.

[@Incidental104]

@@Doofer911 what makes me even more mad is that the blaming the customers for hyping the sim up, and like have you seen the graphics!? that's how business works they get hyped they get sales and that's how third-party developers make new aircraft because there are a lot of people buying their simulator PMDG is a bit too negative on this, that's how Windows phone failed it didn't get hyped up people didn't buy it and third-party developers didn't make apps for it. I think it's absurd for PMDG to blames the same people who make their business possible by buying their aircraft

[@TheHomeless080]

Well PMDG is a bit special in that regard since most of their business model is based around MS ESP. So they really have a vested interest in a ESP platform being successful which is why they wanted to buy rights to the platform in the first place. They shied away from X-Plane up to this date really and I don't see them making it any different in MSFS. What I would take note on is that quite probably MS already started working on this new Sim when selling to Dovetail or at least around that time. The tech they showed off does not grow on trees. They needed to put at least some time and effort into making this. Which brings me to a wild guess namely that Dovetail knew about MSFS and the bad start and PR meant they didn't want to compete with MS. What I find quite peculiar is the fact that both PMDG and Orbx (well who needs Orbx in the new game?) are drawing comparisons to MS Flight all to quickly. One could argue it is the same company but that is more of a stretch than saying it will be the continuation of the MSFS IP since well it is called Microsoft Flight Simulator. The only real message in here is really that nobody knew and that MS is hopefully bringing Add-On support.

[@philphy9257]

@@Doofer911 doesn't make any sense though - why even put in a bid in the first place and then why were they so bitterly disappointed when they lost the bid if that was the deal ?

[@henson2k]

PMDG is pretty much "wait and see" company.

[@henson2k]

@storhet WOW I did not know I have that many

[@saucysauce593]

Yeah how did you get verified

[@henson2k]

@@saucysauce593 Sent papers to Google

[@NatEff3ct]

arcticfilms You have to be using your real name and send a picture ID among other things to Google to get verified

[@azmanic]

I'm hoping this will actually be a good sim and give many of these old, stubborn, often asshole-ish developers a kick up the butt and realise their position in the market isn't quite as secure as they thought.

[@Doofer911]

I guess time will tell how Microsoft will bring this title to the market. They may turn around in the future and open things up to developers, we just don't know until they start talking about this title more.

[@azmanic]

@@Doofer911 Very true, we are all in that single trailer hype stage at the moment. I hope there is a great SDK open for all devs, I just also hope that a modern development environment and the marketing Microsoft brings can tempt other devs to start creating and disturb our current monopoly style addon market.

[@Superdelphinus]

I think the aircraft ones will be fine, I might start getting worried if I was orbx though.

[@NatEff3ct]

Superdelphinus I’ve never liked them so I’m all excited for the future, A good old feather ruffling never hurt anyone

[@Incidental104]

If PMDG doesn't like Microsoft and is bitching about them why don't they just make add-ons for X-Plane!? And most people aren't interested in flying a DC 6 in 2019

[@mro9466]

Nah i'm sure many are, just look at A2A and all their old planes.

[@cynthiabauer5763]

DC-6 and other old planes are awesome man, they have some different traits requiring different procedures. Like the B377 from A2A Simulations, it picks up a lot of speed on the descent and doesn't like to slow down because you can't idle the engines without damaging them or risking shut down so you need a very long and neat final.

[@Incidental104]

@@cynthiabauer5763 but they aren't worth the time research and investment the demographic is too small to invest so much on a dc6

[@Doofer911]

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss older aircraft. Flight Simulation is a hobby which attracts an older demographic who grew up idolising aircraft such as the DC6--6, much like us younger generations who idolise the more modern 747 and A380. Plus it's an aircraft which has "old technology" such as radial piston engines which appeal to people. And I've been in close proximity to that type of engine and flown in an aircraft with one.... it's an incredible sound just listening to one live!

[@jamesdouglas3631]

Mikayel Միքայել not true that’s just an opinion .. I have a heap of old time and GA birds , I prefer them over the modern jets , more buttons to press and things to do why would i want to stare at screens through a screen ?

[@bonchie1]

PMDG has ever incentive to downplay this because they don't want people saying "I'm not gonna spend that $120 on a PMDG plane now, I want to wait and see where this new sim is going first."

[@Doofer911]

Interesting thought, PMDG seeing this new simulator as a threat.

[@thatnorwegianguy1986]

@@Doofer911 I honestly don't think they do because many here seem to forget about P3D a sim by lockheed martin that uses the fsx engine and is 64 bit which is heavily used by flightsimmer.

[@cathalgeraghty5265]

Aerosoft halted the development of their a330 as they said they were involved in a major secret project. They recently restarted the work on the a330 so looks likely this was the other project given the timing.

[@haj5856]

In the trailer we see the inside of the Airbus cockpit, and funnily enough, we see the exact same wrong font for the Airbus displays as the aerosoft Airbus X has. Surely it's not a coincidence that Microsoft also got the Airbus display font wrong, and chose exactly the same wrong font as Aerosoft.

[@robertovillafuerte]

AS responds "Nothing to comment" (does not denied) sounds like " my contract don't let me say anything about it" also all the planes has AS MGS, AS for Aero Soft?

[@Anurania]

Aerosoft also created several airports for the base X-Plane sim. They're evidently considered a competent developer to partner with.

[@IntellectualHazard]

One day we'll have Aerosoft Simulator

[@johanw2267]

@@IntellectualHazard We already do.

[@rayanaltowayan9558]

I hope the sim will actually be complete in sense that I don’t have to spend way too much money on overpriced add-ons.

[@bradymatlock]

Exactly, the Sim will probably be expensive itself though.

[@rayanaltowayan9558]

Brady Matlock ill pay a but extra if it means no more addons

[@ItsWingyy]

@@bradymatlock probs not as it's on game pass

[@gabor-toth]

Funny how the "sim scene" is freaked out all of a sudden. Microsoft has every right to produce a new Microsoft Flight Simulator, it doesn't need to have anything in common with previous games, and they have the right to sell it and make add-on content for it, partnering with anyone who they want. I very much doubt the new game will be primarily for these "simmers", I think they will continue to be happy with FSX. The new Flight Simulator will probably target more mainstream gamers across Windows 10 and Xbox. I don't know what they are worried about. Microsoft revoking their right to produce add-ons for previous Flight Simulator games?

[@NatEff3ct]

Gábor Tóth I don’t get the feeling that this is casual at all, I feel like that is jumping the gun/putting the cart before the horse, going forward all windows / xbox games will be cross platform. Xbox for windows is already in beta I have it on my pc as we speak along with an Xbox live subscription on pc! Secondly a native keyboard/ mouse combo for Xbox has already been announced and the Xbox version will have native flstick support on the Xbox. So to suggest casual is jumping the gun, I would say the opposite is far more likely

[@Loutral]

That A320 cockpit from the trailer looks a lot like Aerosoft's A320.

[@rayanaltowayan9558]

Loutral aerosoft don’t make NEO’s

[@kikiday8999]

The A320 in the trailer have a sqwark code 201“9”

[@Incidental104]

@@rayanaltowayan9558 but if they have a contract with Microsoft they might made a neo for Microsoft flight you and from the inside it does look a lot like aerosoft

[@americanboy48]

@@rayanaltowayan9558 that is an a320 neo it's on the side of the plane watch the trailer again and look on the plane carefully.

[@rayanaltowayan9558]

Q50 Norado Rhoden Vlogs Yh I know that’s a NEO , but my original point was aerosoft don’t make NEO’s

[@Straypuft]

I was thinking "AS" could have stood for Aces Studio.

[@emjeebutterz4405]

Same here, never thought of Aerosoft.

[@Doofer911]

Yeah some viewers did comment that, wondering if the registrations were a nod back to the Aces Studio team that did so well in developing previous sims.

[@Avantime]

Probably a nod to Aces, as I'm pretty certain that current dev team is European, probably French. Notice the Mudry CAP-10 and Robin DR400, both are French and virtually unknown in America. Also Look closely at the DR400's cockpit and you'll see that it's in French. Only French-based DR400s have cockpit labels in French, the others have English or German labels.

[@bonchie1]

Aces Studios doesn't exist.

[@xules2139]

My first thought was Azure Studio, but Aces Studio did cross my mind later. Could be either one.

[@sky173]

I will not purchase this sim unless the SDK is released and third party developers can create their own work and install it, at least as easily as FS2004 or FSX. This means allowing people at home to create their masterpieces and allow us to download and use them from free platforms like Avsims, Hovercontrol, etc. I have *WAY* over 20,000 hours in Microsoft Flight sim products ONLY because of the small, third party developers who create their work and share with the world on the MSFS platform. If Microsoft doesn't allow this, then it's proof that this is only a money-grab project and not worth our time.

[@mizzyroro]

When FSX(?) was being developed, MS put out some forum thingy to ask simmers what they would like to see in the new sim just like they have done now. I remember submitting a ticket and I am pleased to say everything I submitted was included in the new sim. As a Microsoft Flight simmer for 25 years, I have found that a good sim is always created when the developer listens to the community.

[@mkd1964]

I got a similar survey after the FSX team disbanded - but before "Flight" came out. The whole survey was mostly about my opinion on a more mission-based, goal oriented , "game-like" experience. As a long-time simmer, I said that would be fine as an _addition_ to the core simulator but shouldn't be the main focus. Clearly, they didn't listen to anything I had to say. The whole thing was aimed at Gamers. Maybe there will be a balance in the new sim. I have no problem with the simulator having an easy game-mode for casual players, don't strip out the things that allow us to have a realistic experience - and keep the platform open for 3rd parties.

[@kengunn31]

Since P3D arose from FSX influence, I wonder if the MS claim to core code will influence P3D. After a long history with their product I retain some scepticism about Microsoft and some reluctance to re-commit to their camp .

[@Doofer911]

It's hard to say. My understanding is that Lockheed Martin bought the rights to the ESP simulation engine, the "tool" which FSX and P3D has been built within. It will be interesting to find out if the engine which is driving this new simulator is an evolution of that original ESP engine or if it's something completely new.

[@SunsetRider1337]

I suspect Aerosoft is indeed involved in this. We have to remember that Aerosoft has been very much involved in FSX in general. That is where their turnover has come from. I am convinced that Aerosoft has taken a hit from the fact that FSX has gotten an old simulator and also from Microsoft's previous decision to end future development work for the Flight Simulator. X-Plane 11 has not been a similar kind of a golden egg for Aerosoft as FSX because X-Plane gets much more content from the community itself. If some 3rd party company needs FS2020 - it will be Aerosoft.

[@Doofer911]

An interesting thought. I'm not sure how big a hit they would have taken because I know that Aerosoft have products in other simulator markets such as train sims. But as you say, they've been constantly developing and refreshing content for FSX and P3D.

[@ltaproductions7989]

The cockpit of the a320 has the wrong font on the autopilot... only one company used that font for the p3d/fsx a320... Aerosoft.

[@PrivateColt]

Thanks! Keep posting all info you will find about this flight sim. By doing so you really helping to save time. Thanks again!

[@Doofer911]

I'll do my best to stay on top of it!

[@jakeaviator1515]

PMDG, releasing a DC-6 for X-Plane 10 just about when X-Plane 11 was about to be released made many people loose trust and not want to spend $90 on your planes. It’s a good plane and it should be upgraded free of cost. I feel I have been ripped off on this one.

[@zaidakbaralmuharram2984]

Damn, that's sad to hear.

[@Mirandorl]

May i recommend Otrivine (xylometazoline). Absolutely murders blocked noses

[@alistair676]

Maybe its because we're forced to deal with decade old shitty base engines, forcing installs of hundreds and hundreds of dollars of addons, including days of tweaking such to make it run somewhat ok-ish, that we all want to believe. But good to hear PMDG releases their $100+ single planes out of altruism. I'm still waiting for the day civil aviation sims can be like DCS. Install, buy some extra stuff from the attached store, click it, and it just works and performs. If MS can provide that, hell yeah.

[@PilotUnknownX]

Agreed

[@nullpointer1]

Hallelujah!

[@chrishieke1261]

No. Never. I don't like being forced to use a 'walled-in shop' for a game that is outside of my control. I like to buy the game, install it, fiddle around with it, install the addons I want, in the versions I want. If Microsoft would have gone this route with FSX, they would have pulled the plug of the shop many years ago. If you depend on a shop or an online service to run your software, you're at the mercy of the company that runs the service. I sincerly hope that MS delivers the game as a standalone non-online version that works with independent standalone addons.

[@nickda1]

@@chrishieke1261 totally agree there mate

[@phantomfpss]

After seeing major developers comments on the New SIM, I can safely say that Aerosoft is a big partner for this project. It makes sense, because like it or not, it is the biggest developer of all and they were the only ones that neither denied or confirmed involvement on Microsoft's New SIM

[@sevenunimag]

Great analysis. Although indeed Aerosoft does not make NEO, I have seen various youtube videos commenting that the fonts used in the cockpit are EXTREMELY similar to the fonts used in Aerosoft's A320, which seem to be very distinct from fonts used in other simulations of A320 by other companies. Ths youtubers did not even mention the AS- registration. So it seems like a totally separated analysis, not coming from AS registration on the planes, that points to Aerodoft as well.

[@gosammy1971]

AS is more likely Aces Studio, the developer studio behind MS FS .. and MSGS is the organization for all MS Game Studios

[@jamesdouglas3631]

goSammy 1971 this makes the most sense

[@Quasihamster]

Wasnt Aces closed like 10 years ago?

[@Pierluigi_Di_Lorenzo]

I myself cannot judge this as I am not a tube-liner guy, but some have said that the cockpit of the Airbus in the demo looks very much like the Aerosoft Airbus model.

[@bradymatlock]

Why even talk about orbx? The Sim wouldn't even need it, at least from the trailer.

[@mtadc1545]

They just showed like two cities. Im sure Microsoft can’t cover every single major city. There will always be extra scenery needed

[@zaidakbaralmuharram2984]

Individual scenery will be required to give more detail on specific locations but I think add-ons such as orbx ftx global will become less relevant.

[@maydaygoingdown5602]

@@mtadc1545 All scenery Data in the Simm will be Streamed...along with weather... The actual Simm doesn't contain any scenery...this is the new approach that Microsoft has adopted. No need for any add-on scenery...you will be seeing Google earth 3d along your flight path...doesn't get more real than that.

[@hippoeug]

MayDay GoingDown!! In a perfect world it’d be so. Let’s hope it will be a perfect world

[@maydaygoingdown5602]

@@hippoeug People are forgetting that it's streamed, Microsoft opted that route due to the Console (Xbox) version...both PC and Console Scenery and weather including clouds are being Streamed via Azure 1 servers... This also means the actual Simm install will be much smaller taking up much less drive space...again with console in mind. I like this new approach..Also it's an enhanced Google earth 3d...so absolutely no need for Orbx...probably why they aren't in the loop.

[@davidwhite7837]

I think that Aerosoft's lack of comment speaks louder than PMDG's, and ORBX lengthy posts.

[@martinw245]

Exactly! If they weren't involved they would say so, no reason not to. Sometimes no comment says it all.

[@deadraque]

Panic mode In the Outrageous Overpriced mod Shops!

[@86Timewarp]

Thank you for making this video! I'm amazed Microsoft hasn't been in contact with any of the major 3rd party developers during the development of the new sim. While people want a new shiny simulator to fly in, if there's no add-on developers on board with the project at launch, the replay value will be extremely low.

[@zaidakbaralmuharram2984]

Who knows, they might go with the X Plane route and create a moore sim like aircrafts.

[@maydaygoingdown5602]

Well, Scenery wise you have to factor in that Microsoft have opted to stream the Scenery...An enhanced Google earth 3d.. The actual Simm won't contain scenery from inside it...it will be streamed to you. Hence there's not really any piont to Orbx being involved for e.g...maybe the odd airport but not actual scenery. This is the way forward for flight simming I reckon. As for PMDG...IM pretty sure knowing how that company operates they will certainly want a slice of the pie.

[@86Timewarp]

@@zaidakbaralmuharram2984 I doubt it. It'll be more like Forza where you can buy add-on planes from the Microsoft Store where the aircraft will be made in-house and are not complex at all. Which is fine, since I'm sure a lot of people just want to hop in and fly. However, for a large number of people, like myself, we want study-level aircraft in a complex simulation environment. That's probably why I'm gonna pass on Flight and stick with XP11.

[@86Timewarp]

@@maydaygoingdown5602 I think there will always be a market for Orbx if the auto generated scenery isn't super complex or accurate. I know a lot of people who benefit from highly accurate scenery for VFR training due to the placement of landmarks and land features. Whether or not it'll be beneficial for Orbx to create giant land maps with asset packages, that will remain to be seen depending on how the AI generated scenery will deploy its assets.

[@maydaygoingdown5602]

@@86Timewarp I disagree, I use Orbx True earth which is there best work to date but is it accurate....No..it's not...far from it. As a captain for 19 years I can tell you it's not as "True" as they make out:). As far as I am aware with Autogen of the enhanced Google earth 3d version Microsoft have used, judging by the video's I've watched I'd say it's more complex Autogen wise...certainly more built up. You have to remember that Orbx True earth is only Ortho textures...taken from...you guessed it...Google earth imagery...then they themselves place Autogen as best and near as they can...which is ok but not in most parts 100% accurate. Lots of Towns missing and lots of landmarks missing. I'm pretty certain for example they have never visited Cornwall and surrounding areas:)...It's pretty laughable, way inaccurate and to many famous landmarks missing to list...same in Scotland....North isn't as bad but still key landmarks missing.

[@timrashleigh2984]

All the current flight sim add on companies have a lot to loose if Microsoft bring out a flight simulator of quality without them being involved.

[@mastercdric]

Definitely. And it might give the like of PMDG a good kick in the butt to finally take seriously the support of X Plane. What an irony

[@Doofer911]

There is potential. We'll have to wait and see what approach Microsoft takes with third party content.

[@niclasbestmen6189]

What about FSLabs, Carenado, Majestic or JustFlight?

[@txcavi]

Carenado needs to stay away from flight sim until they update ALL their planes. Can't even fly my 350i at night because the landing lights are pointed up instead of down. No fix for it, and it's well documented on their forums. Will not buy another plane from them. I have 2. This will be all until my 350i is fixed.

[@Eammon-vw9rv]

Just a couple of points. The rumours that MS took over the FSW code, thus ended Dovetails involvement in FSW don't add up, Orbx said they had absolutely no idea about this new MSFS announcement, don't you think that Aimee who now works for Orbx, who used to work for Dovetail as the publicist on FSW would have known, surely she would have at least told John Venema in private, he just wouldn't have commented in the way that he did on his forum. Also the aircraft code could just as easily "AS-MGS12" Aces Studios - Microsoft Gaming Studios?

[@Doofer911]

I don't know, I could be completely wrong. Aimee might have been aware of the reasons for FSW being cancelled, she might not have. As for Aces Studios, it could be a homage to the old flight sim development team however I don't think that Aces Studios exists or has been reformed in recent times.

[@FSXXtreme]

Microsoft is not dovetail. They have the resources to make a software better than anyone else, especially when it comes to something like this. They have been very smart in recognizing the aging ESP and made profit out of it by selling it to dovetail in fact a brilliant business move. I believe it's a great thing that none of these guys were informed which is probably a statement in itself stating whatever development happens for the msfs 2020 has to go through Microsoft, as a consumer I'm absolutely delighted. Now if this happens we wont have to worry about quality issues since there will a standard which these guys have to meet before its released as an added content. Obviously they will be worried since now the window of making excuses for shabby performance and quality seems to close down once and for all. A perfect example is DCS. Anyway I believe the core software belongs to Microsoft and I support them completely at the same time I'm extremely thankful that they are keeping the flight sim development active and modern.

[@philipmcniel4908]

Sadly, this may also be the end of freeware addons.

[@krilin84]

Good info. Am definitely a member of the 'wider community'. Will be interested to follow the development of this. Subbed!

[@tk5067]

The Dovetail explanation makes sense, since the Dovetail staff were adament in defending themselves, explaining that the community didn't know what was happening behind the scenes. People wrote that off as a bullshit defense, but surely, if MS did reclaim their development, Dovetail would be legally bound to not disclose the facts. I feel like the fact that PMDG wasn't approached to develop for this Sim means that it isn't going to be a stand-alone platform, but more of an App or arcade-style Sim. And, since it's using Azure for the scenery, it makes sense Orbx would be left out. It's interesting, but I'll stick with X-Plane and see what happens.

[@MrJoshua182]

I agree. Sounds like FSW will be reborn as MSFS in 2020.

[@Doofer911]

Yeah, I will admit that I was very critical about the lack of communication from Dovetail but being older and wiser, I can imagine Microsoft having non-disclosures written in all sorts of legally binding agreements between the parties. It was frustrating for me because I personally believe that providing good customer service involves transparency between a business and it's customer, no matter how good or bad the news might be. Now I appreciate that Dovetail's hands might have been tied.

[@bonchie1]

I have no idea how you are getting any of that. An app? It's a full simulator. That's 100% confirmed via interviews. It covers the whole world. There is AI. There is ATC. A weather engine is confirmed. There's flight planning. Other hints that it's not an arcade game are the redone GPS systems shown and the sloped runways. You don't spend valuable development time on all that just to put out an app where you fly through hoops. Perhaps the biggest clue is the name though. It's being called Flight Simulator, which is a very protected property by MS given it's history to their company. They aren't going to use that name for an arcade cash grab. People are reading way too much into PMDG's comments. Of course MS hasn't approached them yet. The game is still a year away and given their tense relationship, they probably won't ever be contacted.

[@tk5067]

@@bonchie1 I haven't seen anything confirming what you're saying. Not saying it's not true, but I haven't heard a word of anything beyond the video we've all seen. If I'm wrong, OK.

[@bonchie1]

Timothy Krahmer Everything I wrote is confirmed via either the video, the press release, or the two Phil Spencer interviews. I’m being very careful not to say anything that isn’t confirmed.

[@thescoopfamily5668]

That comment from an Aerosoft administrator is absolutely the sort of thing you'd expect someone to say when their company is under an NDA. Compare what Orbx and PDMG said compared to Aerosoft. I really hope that MS didn't tell Dovetail to pull the plug on FSW, that would have been a real d!ck move. FSW showed a lot of potential.

[@MrOudoum]

MS bought FSW and they took Azure for a demonstration in a flight simulator

[@IntellectualHazard]

Meh... My PC runs the Aerosoft A320 in FSX with Ultra Graphics at 30 FPS but it doesn't even run Fortnite or GTA 4 in low graphics and I get 25FPs on those games... I have an Intel UHD 620 and Intel i5-8600 processor.. Will FS 2020 work?

[@jrmath2003]

Intellectual Hazard*/_\* your CPU is good but you should invest in a good GPUs since the new sim will be able to get the most out of it. An rtx 2070 will be a great option

[@Incidental104]

Your CPU is good but your graphics card is not but the flight sim 2020 will most likely be mostly depending on your graphics card and not CPU since that is only way Microsoft can make this work

[@Doofer911]

It's too early to say. I'm sure Microsoft will release some Minimum and Recommended Specs in due course.

[@zarakdurrani7584]

BigBuck Productions not necessarily. A gtx 1060 should be the bare minimum.

[@concretmixer]

Will this affect Lockheed Martin Prepar3d? Are they not using Microsoft code?

[@Doofer911]

It's difficult to say. My understanding is that Dovetail Games purchased rights to release a modified version of Microsoft Flight Simulator X. So they had rights over that particular piece of software. Lockheed Martin as I understand it, purchased the whole Microsoft ESP Engine which is what FSX was built within. So I could be wrong but Lockheed Martin own the Microsoft ESP "tool". Dovetail Games own(owned) FSX which was a product of that "tool".

[@henson2k]

So MS sold same thing twice under two different licenses and then turns it over with new competing product. Sneaky.

[@69ChevyGarage]

I hope Captain Sim gets in on this at some point. In my opinion, they are the Kings of sim jetliners.

[@normandiesol]

Captain Sims C-130 is my favorite plane to fly hands down. I hope there will be an equivalent for those of us that enjoy military aircraft more than general aviation :)

[@hamishthecat4370]

Dovetail have done nothing to support MSFS, still 32bit still single core, what a wasted opportunity.

[@ggjjabc]

Google Dovetail and "Flight".

[@Doofer911]

I was under the impression that they had converted the engine to take advantage of 64bit? I don't remember the engine being well optimised but they got the first step out of the way I'm sure.

[@Randomwinabego]

I think MS threw the licence to DTG because they wanted someone else to figure out how not to go to market with a new sim. DTG did the right things in getting top quality default scenery and aircraft, and the wrong things in not having a big enough hanger, not having any real ATC, and going too big into social media. MS learned a lot from DTG scewing it up. Microsoft looks like they are bringing to market what DTG wanted FSW to become.

[@flyhalf2]

Looking at the trailer I think it's a fair bet that your opinion on why FSW was cancelled is correct. The clouds in the trailer look similar to Tru sky (sp?) that FSW were looking to introduce and, IIRC, FSW also had mobile ground staff and MS Flight had mobile wild animals in its missions. I fear the new sim will have a similar business model to MS Flight but I hope I'm wrong. Having converted to X-Plane I will not be rushing out to purchase MSFS unless there's a huge discount for early adopters.

[@MrCalland]

There is a huge discount of sorts it's called xbox game pass for PC.

[@Doofer911]

Yeah I think the best approach would be to keep a close eye on release day reviewers where suckers like me give our perspectives on it.

[@travisbeamon5356]

loved the insight this gave. please keep it up as your time allows! :)

[@Doofer911]

Will do ;)

[@frankdunne6280]

I repeat my comments on the earlier announcement. Every one should calm down or as PMDG put it "Simmers have a history of hyperventilating at the newest and latest preview" also "They are not entering this business sector out of altruism, they are here for profit margins," Please do not be offended by my comments but you have to understand there are larger forces at work here as indicated by the reactions of the commercial parties mentioned above. Carry on, enjoying your flight Simming, and come back in a year or so when we might have some facts. As I said before I will worry about this in 2021. Smooth flying to all.😁

[@Doofer911]

Hey Frank, I've answered a lot of comments over the past few days but I seem to remember pushing back a little against your previous comment on the last video so if I was out of line, I sincerely apologise for that. You share very wise words when you say "there are larger forces at work here" and I think that's something that a lot of people (myself included) either forget about or are simply ignorant and don't understand the depth of business. I say ignorant in the sense of we just don't have knowledge of how business works or is conducted. I hope we can discuss topics of videos in the future, I'll certainly do my best to keep learning and provide objective and well reasoned viewpoints!

[@Hoekstes]

The big fish is making a big splash. Nice of Robert Randazzo of PMDG calling his customers hyperventilating herd animals.

[@Doofer911]

Yeah I thought that was poor form. As I say in the video, I appreciate that he's speaking with experience and a different perspective given PMDG's business dealings with Microsoft in the past, but comments like that almost feel like an attack on your customers which is never a good play!

[@davidwhite7837]

But. What he stated about his customers is completely true. I have followed PMDG and their customer comments for years. Like his comments, or not, Randazzo is spot on.

[@Hoekstes]

Complacency in business is as good as slowly shutting your doors. Smaller tech companies and developers come and go. He can join Lotus 1-2-3 and MySpace for all I care. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you.

[@robertlinke2666]

@@Hoekstes only in part, it might just be a way too say, don't buy until you know what you get.

[@michaelsummers9579]

I’m sticking with X-Plane & ZIBO Mod 737 which is free. I spent thousands on add-ons with FSX so they won’t be getting my money unless they produce something very special indeed.

[@welshparamedic]

Excellent 'Take' on the whole Microsoft revelation/announcement! It seems to be a case of 'Watch this space'!

[@TheDjOfChoice]

Ironic the developer says “MS are not in this for altruism” but they wouldn’t allow MS to recover code using their core code if they purchased the rights to develop MSFS Aren’t PMDG in it for altruistic reasons?

[@MrEthanhines]

10:45 That doesn't surprise me because as everyone knows even in FSX:SE you can't ping the real world weather service anymore. So I think you are correct in saying they Dovetail got a CAD letter.

[@jacobwiqvist1760]

Ther is still a place for bot PMDG and ORBX with a new sim from MS. One big thing that I have bin thinking of is could this be the results of "NGFS"? New Generation Flight Simulator. Made with Unity engine? If you look in the fs video ter are very little high altitude flight, and the horizon is looking much like NGFS, not very sharp? In that case we can definitely expect good fps!

[@czdaniel1]

@9:44 -- Good call. Way to see the connection -- 9:44

[@TAP1992]

With the brand Xbox linked on these promo videos we can, those of us that are study simmers and not playing a game can see through the fancy video which I remember FLIGHT. How can you utilise a flight sim on Xbox ? Maybe some people are missing this little snippet

[@johnnyboythepilot4098]

Maybe the PC/Windows 10 version will be more realistic/study level while the Xbox version will be more dumbed down and arcade-like.

[@Desrtfox71]

You attack a flightstick to it, same as a PC. Also, just an FYI, XBox no longer means just the console. It's a branding thing, and Microsoft has been releasing XBox games simultaneously on PC and the console.

[@rileyhampton1472]

Hi,do you think I will be able to add my quality wings 787 into the sim

[@epii1073]

Excellent analysis, thanks for helping to sort it all out! Whatever happens with the new Microsoft Flight Simulator I’m sure it will be visually stunning regardless of our favorite 3rd party devs involvement - namely Orbx. I’m wondering if it will be geared more towards “gaming” with story oriented scenarios and less on simming. I just can’t imagine Microsoft abandoning the devoted fans of their great sim by not having this reboot be in every way as good a simulation as FSX. We’ll have to wait and see but regardless, I have FSX on my PC and it’s a beautiful experience. I have to say though that to see an even more impressive Microsoft Flight Simulator on the upcoming new Xbox machine, or the existing Xbox One for that matter is exciting! I only hope the graphics are as impressive as Orbx and I would hope Orbx will be working with Microsoft on this project. Just my two bits.

[@Doofer911]

Well as you saw, the early announcement seems to suggest that Orbx have not been involved. It will be interesting to see how Microsoft approach the subject of third party content for this simulator.

[@sebastianmarques4546]

Will there also be addons for the sim on Xbox?

[@Sidian98]

If you look at the MSFS trailer at the A320 cockpit shot you can clearly see that it uses wrong font on the autopilot panel etc... Just like Aerosoft Airbuses!

[@r4microds]

This is for the better. FSW would be FSX repackaged for like the 4th fricken time and simmers deserved even better than what was offered. We'll see how MS handles FS2020 because there's a good chance people wont be happy if its always online, etc.. I do however believe they learned from MSF2012. They know there was a market when they saw the hype around Flight School / FSW / P3D and they certainly understand at the very least it's about marketing as a simulator over a game. That was obvious by the trailer as it showed off more than just eye candy in the minor details. The marketing for it is a Simulator once again and PC first. My fingers are crossed we finally get the next-gen sim we truly have dreamed of.

[@Josh-fq8lf]

This sim is releasing on xbox.. how on earth are we going to navigate a full cockpit with a Controller etc...? And how can add ons work on Xbox..? Like pmdg

[@homer30]

This news coming from Microsoft is definitely shocking and makes simmers curious. However, if it's gonna the same platform as that of Microsoft Flight, it will fail again. But I'm sure that Microsoft have learned that lesson already. I think this new MSFS2020 will be the same like Microsoft X with astounding 4k graphics. Whether Microsoft will work with PMDG remains to be seen. I also think this F2020 would be a bit pricey, maybe around $150. But simmers would buy it because of unbelievable graphics. I just hope that Microsoft would be open to third party addons. This new M2020 is definitely a threat to ORBX. Will you still need ORBX scenery on 2020? Looking at the trailer, you can tell that 2020 beats ORBX scenery.

[@onfin3al6]

I want to get microsoft FS 2020 . I was told it isnt available yet , so why I see many using it ?

[@Doofer911]

They are using the older Microsoft Flight Simulator X (FSX) or Prepar3D which is an evolved version of FSX developed by Lockheed Martin. FS2020 has not been released yet.

[@Drainslime]

Hope it's not re-brand Flight World and Dovetail make the dlc.

[@QWOP_Expert]

Did you watch the trailer? If you did I don't see how you could possibly believe that. There is absolutely no way the graphical fidelity in the trailer could be obtained with the FSW engine (which was basically FSX). Even trying to get close around a single small area would result in single digit framerates on top of the line hardware.

[@Drainslime]

@@QWOP_Expert the rain on the window looks the same.

[@zaidakbaralmuharram2984]

@@QWOP_Expert I guess there is a possibility that they shot it in a very high end system.

[@zaidakbaralmuharram2984]

Though if I am not mistaken, the engine that the fsx used can't seem to utilise the cpu to its maximum.

[@QWOP_Expert]

@@Drainslime I'd say the rain on the window looks similar, although it also looks similar to the rain on the windshield in pretty much any modern racing game. That is the only similarity I can see, though. The point is that the old FSX engine, even with years of improvements by Dovetail and Lockheed, just can't render that much scenery without grinding to a hault. There may be some commonality in the code, not everything has to be rewritten, but a lot would have to be re-done to achieve that level of performance.

[@jakesVB]

Am I the only one thinking Microsoft is making a mistake not hiring these other companies that make amazing things?

[@owenkinnan9925]

PMDG has the right idea. I am not overly enthused by the Microsoft announcement. I think Microsoft wants to cut out the third party developer and keep the revenue stream for themselves. In short, I do not trust Microsoft. I am moving to P3dv4 and that is where I will stay.

[@PilotUnknownX]

Have fund spending thousands of dollars on addons just to make the sim look good

[@denziiey]

Prepar3D is a RIP off flight simulator bro. Xplane 11 makes a lot more sense! If you wanna keep a simulator for a while. If tomorrow prepar3d made a major update you'd have to buy the game at full price all over again. Nope!

[@tendaibon5264]

Wiithout PMDG aircrafts or Real Air (which seems to be making a partial comeback?) , it cannot be a serious sim..

[@Doofer911]

I know that Microsoft have plans in place to reach out to Third Party Developers so I'm sure we'll see their good work continue. I'm an avid fan of both PMDG and Real Air, although sadly I only have one of RA's aircraft. I would happily have bought their whole catalogue.

[@1Miguellima]

Hi Doofer911 Thank you for the review, I hope that this new Sim will be the Sim that we had been looking for years, We have been subjected to an old Sim that most of the times was frustrating , lagging ,slow frames , the addons to improve the Sim ,like scenery ,at times made the Sim slower, because the developers never bothered about performance , they were only interested in making money , they never gave the smallest consideration about performance , Microsoft did not contacted Orbx regarding the new Sim, because they will not need Orbx’s scenery if they are using the new technology to develop the scenery by using Satellite Data and Azure AI. I am happy that its time to shake up these developers, I have spent hundreds of dollars on Orbx products, they enhance the Sim, but they are abysmal in FPS, example I bought England True Earth, I had to remove it because it slowed down so much the Sim. I hope this is the Holy Grail of flight Simulation.

[@Doofer911]

We can hope but until Microsoft tell us more, we just won't know how this new simulator is going to shape up

[@denny9278]

Just curious how my English subtitles spelling word Randazzo: run that so

[@casq882]

Do you know the GPU requirements for this sim and CPU in general? Thank you

[@lx3469]

I’m sure to get 1080p 60fps you’ll need at least a GTX 1060 or RX 580

[@danielgrimes7324]

_LoganS Do ya reckon the GTX980ti could handle this game?

[@Doofer911]

Unfortunately there has been no official announcement from Microsoft about recommended hardware specs. Judging that this title will be released on PC and Xbox, you could infer some hardware requirements from the current Xbox One console which might help indicate what level of hardware you would need.

[@zarakdurrani7584]

Cosmos surely

[@thesunking8012]

As a long time loyal MS flightsim user, I became dissenchanted with them when pulled out, but perceveered with Lockheed Martins contribution, which was OK, then I tried X-Plane, this was a night and day difference for me, no going back. Then came Osker Pilote's Ortho4XP scenery, free, make it yourself, and your flying over real terrain, I don't even bother with autogen any more. I doubt anything MS produce will better X-Plane with ortho. MS seem to be destroying everything they touch, Skype is an example, it's useless for text these days. Their office package gets crapier with every release. Windows 10 is terrible. they are always chasing, never leading now MS seem to think we are cattle who should be forced fed their OS simply because they say so. Finally putting a clause in they could pull back the rights with other people's work show what a shower they are. Remember Windows, 311 and explore had chunks of other people's code, so that's not new either. If you haven't tried X-Plane with ortho, have a look at some of the video on KZbin, install it for a trial, you don't know what your missing. Great vids Doofer, impressive tutorials.

[@czdaniel1]

+The Sun King: thank you for your observations & recomendations. Got me excited to give it a try. Steam summer sale is next week i think

[@MrCalland]

Ah the ms destroy everything comment again what a loud of BS.

[@PilotUnknownX]

Xplane with ortho wont even look close to as sexy as this sim

[@czdaniel1]

@@PilotUnknownX This sim won't even look close to as sexy as this sim. When's the last time an E3 graphics demo actually ended up looking as good in the final game released as it did in the E3 demo??

[@PilotUnknownX]

czdaniel1 “recorded in real time 4K” they can’t lie about something like that

[@Peter_Jenner]

Interesting stuff. Thanks mate.

[@robmuzz]

I also wondered why DTFS vanished so fast.

[@pedemeyer]

I only wait for the grafic quality to reveal itself! The level in x-plane and P3D is just too ugly when you get closer to the ground Studylevel aircraft is not my thing.., I fly like a bird not a pilot. PS: blow your nose, man!😂

[@sal_strazzullo]

LOL I was thinking the same about the nose

[@czdaniel1]

I don't find any of the PMDG statement as derogotary toward gamers. It's an accurate description of our consumer culture which seen in every aspect of tech media whether from hardware to software. Consumers want to believe the lie (aka: the hype). We want to believe in overpromises and E3 game-graphics demos. We want more; We want it now; We get excited and *WE GET BURNED.* _Then we do it all over again_

[@bartybum]

Fkn A, dude

[@Doofer911]

I get that and I completely appreciate PMDG's experience within the industry... but they could have left the parts out about calling their customers a "herd" and playing the morally superior "I'm not so easily led by the nose". Leaves a bad taste. Also.... would they tell their customers to calm down when they announce their next product?

[@mizzyroro]

Randazzo wants to keep it open source so they could continue making a fortune and bleeding off the community?

[@brent4770]

Have you heard if this is going to be a real sim or arcadish?

[@maximilliangenius5572]

Real Sim.... Arcade level doesnt have sloping runways like this will... amongst other groundbreaking features.

[@Doofer911]

The fact is that we don't know. We'll have to wait for Microsoft to release some more announcements and content about Microsoft Flight Simulator before we'll know for certain.

[@brent4770]

@Arvid Kracht dumb ass their last one was basically an arcade game where you had to fly through floating circles, etc...

[@bonchie1]

@@brent4770 And it wasn't called Flight Simulator.

[@mkd1964]

Per Microsoft: fsi.microsoftstudios.com/

[@blancfilms]

What I took away from this video: "uh", "uh" and "uuuhm"

[@Blood-PawWerewolf]

Lázaro Blanc shows that it’s not scripted. Which is good!

[@billymkirkwood4956]

The Boeing in trailer on push back looks like an aerosoft plane imo... Orbx and Pmdg would be the better choices... also imo over aerosoft The reason they might lock out 3rd party as they seem to have Azure download and AI possibilities as it looks at the start.. but it's all up in the air until we know more in future info?? I hope they give 3rd party an involvement.

[@DanP221]

billy M kirkwood It’s an airbus A321 👍

[@billymkirkwood4956]

@@DanP221 jeez yes I meant Airbus... damn it was because I had wrote Pmdg freudian slip lol 😨🤔😁😎

[@DanP221]

billy M kirkwood nah all good 😂. Really looking forward to this game, it’s an Airbus A321 Neo and hopefully they add more newer aircraft in like the A350 etc.

[@billymkirkwood4956]

@@DanP221 absolutely my friend it looks fantastic tbh I just hope there isn't a hidden downside... and hey at least I didnt type Cessna lol 🤔🤔😁😁

[@DanP221]

billy M kirkwood true that 😂

[@dbvetter7485]

They can make it look as beautiful as anything but that doesn’t make a Flight Simulator. X-plane has provided a pretty good flight model, and it took many years - thanks to Austin and his energetic love for flying. No one has put as half as much Flight technology into a Simulator as Austin and the team at Laminar Research.

[@EdwardRLyons]

Exactly. No matter how good the new MSFS looks, what will make or break it for me is the quality of the flight modelling - the aerodynamics, engine dynamics, atmospheric modelling, etc. If it's not at least as good as X-Plane 11, the eye candy simply will not cut it. And I'm skeptical since it's being driven as an XBox product.

[@PilotUnknownX]

Are you serious man... how could you say no one has put as much time into the sim as Austin? Dont get me wrong laminar research is awesome but why in the hell would you say something like.. when there are other flight sims out there with devs that have put countless hours of work into the game. I'm sorry but your messed up for saying that man.

[@milo4008]

Hallo Doofer, yes very exciting news and about time we got a new iteration of MSFS :) But personally I don't think any of the 3rd Party devs are involved in this at all...to be honest, in my opinion the whole flight-simming dev community is rather immature and unprofessional, lots of bigheads on ego trips and such. MS have the experience and the money to do quite well without them I think.

[@Doofer911]

Of the companies that have made statements, it does seem that the announcement of MSFS has been a bit of a shock to many. But I agree, especially PMDG's comments regarding people within the flight sim community was really unnecessary. I can understand their position and their concerns but publicly calling people within the flight sim community a "herd" then trying to take the moral high ground by saying "As a consumer I am not so easily led by the nose as many simmers like to be..." leaves a very bad impression..... very bad!

[@milo4008]

Yes I totally agree

[@jamesdouglas3631]

They will have to allow 3rd party addons for this sim to survive. I’m sure the vanilla sim will have Imperfections(like all the previous MFSs) . From some of the trailer shots the airports look bland .. the flight dynamics may need tuning who knows . 3rd party addons are really the heart of flight sims that pump new life into the sims and make them age very well

[@simon3303]

I hope it comes to PC

[@mastercdric]

It is. First PC then Xbox 🤯🎉

[@simon3303]

mastercdric Yey!

[@rickharriss]

I will lay odds on that this will turn out to be a pay as you go application. using Microsoft cloud computing power to generate mind stunning graphics, and , if microsoft follow their FSX etc pattern a weak physics engine. They see flight simulation as a game - if they can monetize it - not as a serious flight experience which I would suggest is where the likes of X plane 11 are at.

[@txcavi]

I might switch from pd3v4 for this, if it's good. Not really loving prepar3d

[@simon3303]

Im so exited

[@FrancoisDaniels]

I think that you nailed it. Good work sir.

[@Doofer911]

Thank you, trying my best :)

[@Deadeye313]

A lot of carenado and aerosoft planes in the trailer. Or at least they make the best versions of these.

[@txcavi]

Carenado is trash, stop puffing them up. They have planes that have been out for years ie the 350i. There are loads of complaints about it on their forum and they have came out and said they will not fix it. My only choice is to PAY someone to fix it. As much as I love the King Air 350i I refuse to spend MORE money just to fix the landing lights.

[@eagle49624]

MS development and marketing of products is cyclical. All products have a beginning, middle and an end and when sales fall of, MS drops support. Business is business. Part of the money grab is to kill off the competition and make true believers out of those who use competitors products. I will not migrate to MSFS 2020 from FSX/SE or X-Plane for quite awhile. Competition is good for everyone and I truly like free-ware add-ons. Will it be out on Xbox first? Microsoft is the 800 pound gorilla in the play room.

[@mkd1964]

This page may answer a few questions - not a detailed response, but hopeful. fsi.microsoftstudios.com/

[@-Wreckanize-]

What does this mean for P3D?

[@Rilex037]

no one cares, all they did is implement new shaders, replaced default aircraft with some stupid freeware; and they put price tag of 200 on it;

[@theoldar]

Typical PMDG arrogance.

[@nigelsmith8186]

Just what Microsoft want free advertising

[@paulene2704]

Cool

[@Aloha96789]

Eventually MS will produce an OS that won't run older versions of software. They will probably say that it is all for security reasons therefore they are doing you a favor! hahaha!

[@philipmcniel4908]

You mean Windows 10?

[@Aloha96789]

@@philipmcniel4908 Yup! Right now my W10 runs FSX just fine but just wait. I can see a time when "for our own safety" I will have to buy new application software.

[@philipmcniel4908]

@@Aloha96789 I meant things like Sid Meier's Civilization IV: Beyond the Sword. (The previous Civ 4 versions work with Win 10, but not BTS unless someone's found a workaround.)

[@dannyk5084]

Speculations..

[@Doofer911]

Speculatory speculations....

[@davey3765]

Your mic is too quiet.

[@worldwide8553]

No it isn't. Turn up your volume or get better speakers.

[@SuperSivla]

new Microsoft Flight Simulator sounds like shit to me, sorry.

[@rotorfib8719]

Vaporware

[@thiscorrosion900]

My prediction is, this will be a colossal flop. XPlane and Prepar3D are already light years ahead of anything MSoft can come up with now.

[@rickcelik8888]

Scott Briggs based on that trailer they are clearly light years behind

[@Doofer911]

Microsoft have the option to leverage some significant technology which might not be available to the likes of Lockheed Martin or Laminar Research. It all depends on how they choose to conduct their business and manage this software release.

[@thiscorrosion900]

@AviatorAV8R Well, I hope you're right and I'm dead wrong. The graphics did look good, but as usual, the deal is if you aren't running a superfast machine, you're likely not going to see that level of detail and performance. I just invested a good deal of money in XPlane11, new PC and monitor last year, controllers which, in the case of the Thrustmaster set I got, the stick already kind of died, I think. I don't have unlimited funds for the hobby. If I did, I would just buy Prepar3D, AeroFly, and this one and see which one I like best. I like XPlane11 just fine, I just wish I had a $8000 PC so as to run photoreal scenery and have it not crash on me etc. I got a Dell Inspiron 15 7000 a year ago, and it's a good machine but not the best. I'll never listen to anybody at MicroCenter again. I should've just gone for something a few levels above. It's an ok PC but not as fast as I first thought. Can't trust anybody anymore. Anyway, FSX I liked and it got me started, so I have high hopes for the new sim., but we'll see. If it really is that much better than XPlane I'll convert, as long as it's even worth it. Not spending $10000 on a new PC and gear just to run it.

[@thiscorrosion900]

@AviatorAV8R Indeed.